2009 NFL Draft Grades: AFC East Edition
Over the past few days, we have gone over the Buffalo Bills' 2009 NFL Draft class pretty much ad nauseam - and given our favorite franchise a B+ for their efforts. Before we start digging deeper into the Bills' roster with our semi-annual 'State of the Roster' series, I thought it would be prudent to discuss three other draft classes relevant to Buffalo: those of our division rivals, the Dolphins, Patriots and Jets.
MIAMI DOLPHINS: B
The Dolphins brought in a total of nine rookies, including three first-day prospects. The only surprise, to me, was that of their nine selections, none of them came on the defensive line - particularly at nose tackle, where NT Jason Ferguson is rapidly approaching the close of his career. For now, it appears that Paul Soliai will continue to spell him at nose tackle - and considering the fact that this draft class was weak in the NT area, I guess it shouldn't be that much of a surprise. Outside of their top pick (see 'Worst pick' below), the Dolphins had a stellar draft, netting anywhere from three to five instant contributors.
Best pick: CB/FS Sean Smith, Utah
Where they got him - No. 61 overall - and what they could get out of him made this pick one of the better value selections on the first day of the draft. Smith is one of the more unique talents to emerge in this draft class, standing over 6'3" and possessing the ability to play either corner or safety. He's got good ball skills, and in Miami's defense, he has a chance to establish himself as a playmaker from the safety position right out of the gate.
Worst pick: CB Vontae Davis, Illinois
You can imagine my curiosity when the Dolphins, with the No. 25 overall pick, took a player that, in my opinion, was one of the most overrated in the draft. He's obviously got a lot of talent - but so does his brother Vernon. For a kid with his attitude and character risk, Miami probably isn't the best destination for him to grow as a player. He'll probably start next year and he's got some potential, but Tony Sparano has a battle on his hands to get Davis to where he needs to be as a teammate and a cornerback. I'd have taken Darius Butler; now he's in New England. Risky move, though it does have the potential to pay off in a big way.
Sleeper pick: WR Brian Hartline, Ohio State
Miami desperately needed help at WR, and they added two tall dudes with potential in the third and fourth rounds; Hartline was the fourth-rounder. He only had 21 catches in his last year at Ohio State and he's very raw. But he's tall (6'2"), long, and most importantly, he can help the Dolphins out in the red zone on jump ball situations - something the offense didn't have prior to last weekend. He's not going to be a fantasy monster or anything, but he's going to help Chad Pennington and the Dolphins' offense out in the red area.
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS: A-
I loved hated New England's draft. Not just because of the players, either - they got some good ones, as they do every year. I just can't help but be impressed with irate at the way this team can move up and down the draft board at will, collecting future picks along the way. There are two reasons this team is competitive every year: Tom Brady (or, in last year's scenario, a weak schedule) and their steadfast approach to finding cheap, talented players in the draft, having them for a few years, and then trading them for more picks (see: Hobbs, Ellis). Stupid Patriots.
Best pick: CB Darius Butler, Connecticut
I thought he was the best corner in the draft. Naturally, I was happy when the Dolphins passed on him at 25, and pulling my hair out when the Pats took him with their third pick at No. 41. The Pats signed Shawn Springs and Leigh Bodden during free agency and have a promising talent in Terrence Wheatley, but Butler is their best cornerback - right now.
Worst pick: OT Sebastian Vollmer, Houston
This pick was weird. I thought New England's offensive line was terrible last season, particularly at tackle. So naturally, it didn't surprise me to see the Pats take a tackle - it just surprised me which player they chose. Clearly, the Pats had Vollmer rated higher than UConn product William Beatty (who went two picks later to the Giants), but I don't see how Vollmer helps them this year. Tom Brady better be ready to throw the ball quickly... and, yeah, I'm gonna stop giving advice to Tom Brady now.
Sleeper pick: LB Tyrone McKenzie, South Florida
I was a big fan of McKenzie's entering draft weekend - he's an outstanding athlete with a good deal of potential. He'll work on the inside in New England - and the fact that he doesn't need to play right away is scary. Down the line, McKenzie could team with 2008 first-round pick Jerod Mayo to give the Pats one of the more devastating 3-4 ILB combos in the NFL. Sigh...
NEW YORK JETS: C+
This one should go quickly, as the Jets only had three picks (and one mega-trade, if you're keeping score).
Best pick: QB Mark Sanchez, USC
Unlike most Armchair Scouts this year, I was actually a fan of both Matt Stafford and Mark Sanchez - in particular Sanchez, who is now the toast of New York after becoming the Jets' new "Franchez" quarterback. (Yuck.) If Sanchez can have the same type of success that rookie quarterbacks Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco had last season, we're in trouble. But it's not going to be as easy for Sanchez as it was for last year's dynamic duo because those two had nearly triple the amount of playing experience as Sanchez does. There will be growing pains.
Worst pick: RB Shonn Greene, Iowa
After making one mega-trade to move up 12 spots in the first round, the Jets moved up to the top spot on day two to take... a third running back? The Jets had one of the better RB tandems in the league last year, featuring Thomas Jones and Leon Washington. Yes, both have contract issues they're trying to get addressed - but chances are good that both will play despite those issues. Greene just seemed like a luxury pick, particularly when the Jets have zero depth at the receiver position.
Sleeper pick: OG Matt Slauson, Nebraska
Slauson gets the nod by default as the Jets only picked three players... so he kind of had to be listed here. That doesn't mean I don't like the pick, though - Nebraska linemen are generally gritty players, and he's got experience on both sides of the line. He'll be a solid swing reserve for the Jets.
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Just for the record… yes, I chose that particular photo of Sanchez to make sireric’s brain explode.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 30, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Mets always embrace the NY football teams more so then the Yankees. I remember Strahan and co. tossing out the first pitch after they won Superbowl 42.
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by sireric on Apr 30, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to the Yankees game tonight. No Jets or Giants player threw out the first pitch. You win.
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by Kurupt on May 1, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Go Jays is right.
I just happen to have access to Yankees tickets often, and have grown to like liking them. Gah
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by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have grown to like them? WHAT? I can’t even… What?
On the bright side the Jays don’t have A-Fraud and are actually winning. Now I’m not going to hold my breath hoping that they keep this pace up for the whole season, but it would be nice for a change.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
but at least they are worth following after July of every year….
I can’t help it, Don Mattingly was my favorite player as a kid, so there was something there for me to always like….
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by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but at least they are worth following after July of every year….
Ok you got me there… theres just nothing I can say that will make the Jays look good after July.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-Fraud
I don’t care that A-Rod did roids. I have less respect for him cheating on his hot wife with the shriveled husk that used to be Madonna, then for using steroids.
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by sireric on May 2, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I hate ppl basing A-Rod, Beery Bonds, Sammy Sossa and Mark McGuire for using steroids. The fact is thatt not only were steroids NOT illigal when they used them, but they were mostly encouraged by the team/league.
I find it hugely hypocritical that the league turned a blind eye to McGuire, Sossa and Bonds using steroids when it brought them desperatly needed ratings when MLB wasn’t well viewed, but they now persecute them now the the sport is popular again. McGuire, Sossa and Bonds truly do belong in Cooperstown. Unfortunatly they will never get there because of a biased and none objective press. Selig is a snake and he’s the true vilain in all of this.
And on top of all of that you now have more and more athletes from the 70’s, like Terry Bradshaw, that are fully admiting to having used steroids in their prime because it helped them play at a higher level. Yet no one is going after those guys.
Let Bonds, McGuire and Sossa have the praise that they desrve. I mean yeah they juiced, but they still needed enough talent to connect the bat with the ball at the right time, and that requires a talent that no steroid can give you.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 3, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t say I liked it. It seems like the Yankees feel like they are able to stand alone better then the Mets. The Mets need a little football help to draw in a crowd sometimes.
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by sireric on May 1, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sean Smith was the Dolphins best pick? I remember after the pick was made, the analysts (I think NFL Network, but it may have been ESPN) criticizing him for a lack of physicality and coverage skills. If he’s a FS, that probably doesn’t matter as much, but it was odd that they pretty much ripped him apart.
NE obviously had the best all-around draft, getting some quality players in Chung, Butler, Brace, McKenzie, Tate and Pryor among others, but I voted for the Jets. In fact, the Pats had a great draft, throwing in the future picks they got as well, but I just like what the Jets did to secure their long-term QB.
I really think Sanchez is going to be a good/great QB in the NFL. With all the talent the Jets have accumulated, they needed to solidify this position in the worst way. I also really like Shonn Greene, he’s going to be a very good NFL RB and a thorn in our sides for a long time. I think Jones is nearing the end of his career and he’s starting to irritate the team begging for a new deal. You may not like the pick that much, but I think it’s a good one. I do agree that they should have been looking for WR depth, but I’m not sure any mid rounders were going to help them that much.
So the slight nod goes to the Jets, for now. If Sanchez doesn’t make it, the Pats win this one in a landslide, but that’ll be years from now before we can figure this one out…
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by Kurupt on Apr 30, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Jets had a good draft
I will be that much more elated when they pull a Gregg Williams era Bills’ 3-13. All of the signs are there. I really think Rex Ryan is the second coming of Gregg Williams.
by syrbillsfan on Apr 30, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Green Man!
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by billsoferie on May 1, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, ole Dirty COULD be a great QB, IF they don't let the kid get smacked around like Carr did in Houston
I would honestly prefer if I was a Jets fan to let Clemens get the crap knocked out of him for most of the season, and bring Sanchez in periodically and then just play him say the last 4 games of the season. I really don’t think they are contenders this season (then again, we might not be either for that matter) so I would think protecting your expensive investment would be a smart idea.
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by WABillsfan on Apr 30, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its funny that everybody gives the Pats an A for the draft and says how smart they are because they trade down for later picks. Not so sure their success will continue with that method.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because it hasn't worked out very well so far?
The Pats came away with a number of players who will contribute immediately AND future draft picks. What’s not to like? OBD needs to learn to move around the draft board at least half as well as New England does.
by Ron From NM on Apr 30, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not “later” picks… future picks. That is where the key lies. They already have three second-round picks in next year’s draft!
It’s the combination that makes it genius – it gives them flexibility to move up and down, and they routinely get 3-4 top-flight prospects at very cheap deals because they generally trade down. Trust me – they have the model down for staying competitive in the salary cap era of ginormous contracts. Obviously, that Brady guy helps, too.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 30, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
something
that is always lost in that NE style is money. How do you think veterans react to a rookie coming in getting $10-40 million guaranteed right away? I mean it’s a locker room disaster. I scoffed at the rumors of NE trying to trade up into the top 10. Belichick would never want to do that. Part of the genius of the Patriots way is no man is bigger than the team….and that means no contract is either. Ie. Tom Brady is underpaid considerably. You can’t have a locker room where a handful of guys are making a crap load…that’s why I’m so glad Dockery and Peters are the hell out of here. Some people deserve the $ (ie Evans) but when it is the sole driving force in your locker room (dallas, washington) you can’t win championships
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by MARVelous on Apr 30, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
Belichick was quoted as saying (I think to NFL Network) on draft morning the chances of them trading into the top five was “less than zero percent”.
by BuffaloWill on Apr 30, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayo was taken 10th last year and Seymour was 6th many years ago, so the Pats aren’t afraid of picking high.
I think there’s some merit to the point, but I think it’s overstated. I think the Pats just think they’re getting value in the picks.
by Pistol on Apr 30, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a great business plan
But they shouldn’t get an A just because they traded down and for future picks.
Plus, let’s just see what happens with Brady this year and a tougher schedule, all dynasties come to an end.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
they have missed on plenty of picks in their day….but you know what’s a smart plan? When draft picks are usually 50-50 propositions anyway, why not stockpile picks, pick more, and thus increase your success rate? Sounds pretty smart to me
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by MARVelous on Apr 30, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly Marv, your dead on there, since the draft IS a crap shoot, why NOT maximize your chances for success?
The more picks you have, especially the 2nd and 3rd rounds where starters and future starters abound is where to stockpile the picks to maximize your talent influx, NE does that BETTER than anyone else has in the salary cap era.
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by WABillsfan on Apr 30, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they shouldn’t get an A just because they traded down and for future picks.
I didn’t give them an A for those reasons. Those reasons helped. I gave them an A principally because I think they got the best corner in the draft, one of the best safeties in the draft, a NT that can spell Vince Wilfork for once, a future star at ILB, a potential down-the-road LT, a potential superstar at WR, solid O-Line depth – hell, even the best long snapper in the draft. All without a first-round pick. Does that count?
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 30, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You yes….but watching some commentators get their rocks off just because the Pats traded down is a little over the top. And they just couldn’t help themselves with the “Look a the Browns trade down again, Mangini learned that from Belichek! Genius!!”
As somebody said below, the Pats already had an A going into the draft.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thought is that all Dynasties fade away eventually, and given the typical NFL life cycle, its almost time for that to happen. A combinations of aging players, untested backups (especially at QB), and players coming back from injury (Brady), coaching attrition (Josh McDaniels), and front office erosion (Pioli) should combine in the next year or two to the final decay of New England’s dynasty. Hopefully it’s this year! I feel better than ever that we get our away game at Foxboro out of the way first, when NE is at it’s most vulnerable. By game 2, for some reason, they usually have gotten things going, but they seem to have abump in game 1, and with Brady rusty, it’s our best (probably only) chance to win at Foxboro in a long time.
by syrbillsfan on Apr 30, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree it's our best chance to win in Foxboro.
We have an extra preseason game. They won’t have tape on TO and his changes to the offense. Brady will be rusty.
I love that Brian has the countdown up on the homepage!
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bandwagon-ers
Second that. I think a vast majority of the votes they got in the poll are bandwagon votes. Looking at the potential of Sanchez and at the year Greene had in a power/no-nonsence conference like the Big 10, how can you not pick the Jets. They took some risks. You can’t judge the players until the season starts, maybe even their third year. Props for going all in
by Moneyballer23 on Apr 30, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Big 10 was polar opposite to a power conference last year. also, going “All In” on one guy does not make a team with many glaring holes remarkably better. I am not down on Sanchez, I just don’t think any one guy can fix that train wreck by themselves. The Jets are going to maybe go 6-10. Probably more like 3-13. Between keeping Tennenbaum, hiring the over-masculine Rex Ryan, and their roster full of question marks, the Jets are going to return to being the joke they’ve been for most of their history. Hopefully the Bills can capitalize.
by syrbillsfan on Apr 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While it's silly to try and grade a teams draft this early
I’m not particularly impressed with any of the 3. Granted, there are some good players that were taken but none as a whole I think compares to the OBD draft this year. Then again I’m very impartial to drafting lineman so I was thoroughly pleased with the early picks the Bills made.
by gatornation on Apr 30, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
one thing about the Jets pick of Green Brian.........
Jones is no spring chicken at the RB position..(I believe he is 31)…so um….picking Green wasnt THAT big of a reach..IMO
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 30, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How can we criticize them for that when we took 4 defensive backs?
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol only 3.....
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 30, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 DBs
Byrd
Harris
Harris
Lansker
Yeah…I couldn’t believe it either.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nic Harris is an OLB.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 30, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is for us, but he came out of college a Safety.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
he played all over the defense….nickel, S, LB….and running a 4.8 40, and being 230, he’s a LB
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by MARVelous on Apr 30, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’ll be great for us (hopefully) :)
by syrbillsfan on Apr 30, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most have him as a S prior to the draft, even the NFL:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/nic-harris?id=71323
He mostly played DB.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
… so? We did not draft him to play DB. We drafted him to play LB. So we drafted three DB.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said we drafted 4 defensive backs, in my opinion we drafted 4 defensive backs.
Just like in Wood we drafted a center, not a guard. The guy could play 10 years and every oline position, he was still drafted as a center as that was the position his skills were based off.
I get your point, but I don’t agree.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha. Sorry… that just doesn’t make sense to me. That’s like saying the Jets drafted Brad Smith to play QB… it’s just not true.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 30, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Respectfully don’t agree :)
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pats
The Patriots did pass on a few players, one being Rey Maualuga and Sintim, and other linebackers. The Patriots basically trade away players who are coming at the end of their contracts, and they don’t want to shell out big bucks for. They did it with Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Asante Samuels, and now Ellis Hobbs. So they actually get something in return for the veterans they lose. They are the true model of how to do things the right way.
Secondly, it seems to be working since they have been a solid playoff contender for 10 years now, while the Bills have not made the playoffs in 10 years. Lastly, they built their team from the inside out, with a stellar offensive and defensive line. Everybody on their defensive line is a #1 draft choice………Bills are Cornerback U………..
by BuffaloWhiner on Apr 30, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don’t forget about that Brady guy – he’s had more to do with their success than probably anyone
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by J2 on Apr 30, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Brady....
but the Pats still beat the crap out of the Bills last season with Matt Cassels.
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by moncheri on Apr 30, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was referencing this quote:
since they have been a solid playoff contender for 10 years now, while the Bills have not made the playoffs in 10 years
plus – its not like we were good last year
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by J2 on Apr 30, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT since you mentioned it, I think Vernon Davis will be a good TE
he’s just too damn talented to continue in mediocrity…i watched him at Maryland…he’s going to be a stud still…for now, I blame it on poor coaching and qb play…
by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 30, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reality check
This year the afc east is going to have 4 good to strong teams. i think the intra division games are all going to be close, very close this year and this may mean that a winning record is not going to be enough to get into the play offs.
The Jets had the worst draft of the 4, and i think this is going to hurt them. Flacco and Ryan are the exception not the rule, stuggling early on in their career, a la Trent, is the normal development path for a QB, hence they are the team most likely to struggle.
This is a good thing for the Bills obviously.
The Pats have done their usual brilliant thing in the draft, and will not miss a beat this year, especially with an aging quarterback coming off a serious knee injury.
This is a bad thing for the Bills, obviously.
Personally i dont like Miamis draft, but who knows more about the draft, Bill Parcells or an english football fan?
I still think we have had one of the better drafts in the NFL and it is up there with New Englands
Because the teams in our division are all good, it will hurt our chances of getting a wild card place, i cannot even dream of winning the division yet!
We shall see.
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by gregeng on Apr 30, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brady will be 32 in August. He’s not aging…
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 30, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
intended with sarcasm :-)
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by gregeng on Apr 30, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
technically he is aging just like the rest of us…..he’s just not too old yet
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by MARVelous on Apr 30, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wondered who would be pedantic enough to say that
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by gregeng on Apr 30, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that you ask, gregeng (Lois), I find this comment (meat loaf) rather shallow and pedantic
:)
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by J2 on Apr 30, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any reference to
family guy gets my approval
by ncfinfan on Apr 30, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure that leg did though.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How old is his knee right now....?
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right about Flacco and Ryan being exceptions to the rule. Also, we’ll see this year which teams were actually good and which ones overachieved. I think the result last year helped the Bills see the need for changes. What if we finished 9-7 and still missed the playoffs? We would be fielding the same mediocre team as last year. That really puts things in perspective. Also, I think of the surprising Dolphins, Ravens, and Falcons, at least two of them are probably overrated. I think of the three, the Falcons have the best chance of improving their showing this year. The Dolphins wildly overachieved and the Ravens mildly overachieved. So, I think as far as within our division, the Patriots will be good (but not as good as a couple of years ago), the Bills will be second, the Dolphins will be mediocre, and the Jets are showing many signs of train wreck city!
by syrbillsfan on Apr 30, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We thought the same thing going into last year though...
So, I think as far as within our division, the Patriots will be good (but not as good as a couple of years ago), the Bills will be second, the Dolphins will be mediocre, and the Jets are showing many signs of train wreck city!
just switch the Dolphins and Jets.
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pats...
If Belichick and the Patriots drafted a bunch of farm animals everyone would still give them an A and just assume they would somehow use them to win football games.
They have earned that though, as their moves (big and small) usually pay big dividends, so I am not disputing the A, just saying it was probably an A before the draft even started.
by BuffaloWill on Apr 30, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if you guys read Sportspickle
by syrbillsfan on Apr 30, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty funny...
Thanks for sharing. I have never heard of that site…it had another article saying the Patriots have stockpiled 32 round 7 picks in the 2010 NFL draft. Funny stuff…
by BuffaloWill on May 1, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are any other teams intending on moving 3 of their first 4 draft picks
to new positions?
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not when you take it that literally. But when you consider how minor of a move it is to shuffle guys around the offensive line and how natural of a move it should be for a big physical CB to move to FS, then plenty of teams will have guys making WAY bigger adjustments than Buffalo’s first day draft picks.
For example, Crabtree and Maclin, coming from spread offenses, will essentially be playing a position that is much, much more different than either of Buffalo’s offensive lineman. Every 3-4 team that drafted a front 7 defender will have as much or more teaching and molding to do than Buffalo will with Levitre and Wood. I think that it’s commonplace for teams to have almost their entire draft learning schemes, roles and positions that are pretty foreign to them. It’s just the nature of the NFL.
by kaisertown on Apr 30, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t agree.
Simple example, I played high school/college volleyball. There’s 3 positions at the net – strong side hitter, middle, weak side hitter. I started out at middle and had a hard time, I was just too slow and my skills didn’t fit the position. They moved me over to the weak side and I excelled as I was a strong blocker and didn’t have to move much.
That’s all a TON simpler than an offensive line, I can’t imagine the switch from C to G and LT to LG are a piece of cake. It can obviously be done, but you look at Coy Wire and Duke Preston who were moved to different positions and failed. George Wilson has been ok.
If Belichek was the coach, I’d have no problem, but Juaron I have no faith in. Thats where I agree with Sully’s column on Monday.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, too, played HS volleyball.
I was a strong-side hitter, played some middle, and even set on occasion. Kind of miss those days… :)
If a college had asked me to play volleyball (bwahahahahahaha), and had told me that they wanted me to play libero, I was recruited as a libero. Same as Jim Kelly was recruited as a linebacker, blah blah blah. LOL – I’m not trying to piss you off, honest. I just really can’t wrap my mind around your argument. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 30, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact of the matter is that almost every rookie offensive lineman is asked to learn a new position. I would guess that 90% or more of offensive lineman either do a complete position change upon leaving college or are asked to learn one or more new positions so they can be a versatile backup. If it were actually a difficult tranisition for players, than every single team wouldn’t do what they currently do.
You mention Preston, but he played center in college, was asked to back up center and both guard spots, got starting experience at both center and guard and stunk equally at them both.
Brad Butler only played RT at Virginia and was the week one starter at RG. It didn’t seem to bother him one bit. It didn’t take all that much time for Peters to transition from TE, to RT to LT. Mike Williams, on the other hand, played RT in college and was asked to play the same position here and was a disaster.
Look at the first couple rounds from last year’s draft. 3 players were asked to change positions. Branden Albert went from LG to LT and did great. Gosder Cherilus went from LT to RT and had a solid rookie season. Jeff Otah went from LT to RT and excelled. Some of the players who didn’t make a position switch were the ones who struggled. Duane Brown and Chilo Rachal both had pretty dissapointing rookie seasons.
The reason that guys have to change positions is because they were typically the best offensive lineman on their college team and ended up playing one of the more demanding positions to play.
by kaisertown on Apr 30, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
geez kaiser – you make it sound like your a coach :)
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And to add to that
It’s one thing if we drafted a guy like Wood and put him at Guard on an established line, the guys on either side would know what they’re doing and help him along.
But we’re going to have every single guy on the line playing a new position (Well, Hang Man not really, but new scheme) so basically every guy is going to have an adjustment period. That’s a recipe for disaster, and not a win now mentality. Be fine if we were rebuilding, but we’re not supposed to be.
For the sake of the team, I sure hope they go into OTAs with the line established. They’re asking a lot of these guys.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 30, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jets
A side story that deserves a grade itself (an A+, I say) is the trade the Jets made to get Sanchez. Giving up only their second rounder to move from 17th to 5th was an incredible deal for the Jets. They also gave up 3 roster filling non-starters (with their contracts), but they are all viewed as possible cuts — but Mangenius wanted them because they were his players. I thought that was a steal for the Jets, putting aside whether Sanchez becomes a star. To put it in perspective, I think one of you guys talked about the rumors that teams wanted a 2nd rounder for the Bills to move up from 28 to 20 or so to try to pick up Pedigrew (and Pick 20 is NOT pick 5!).
by labill on Apr 30, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kenyon Coleman was a starter. But your right that the trade was highway robbery. Elam is basically a punt gunner and Brett Ratliff is a total unkown. Ratliff looked great last preseason, but he didn’t start in college until his senior year because he was behind Alex Smith on the depth chart.
I would say that NE had the best draft in the division, but were barely ahead of the Jets.
And why exactly do people like Miami’s draft? Patrick Turner will be your classic big WR bust (if Parcells has a flaw, it’s his borderline obsession with size). Vontae Davis is as risky of a prospect as there is. Pat White was too early. I thought it was a very mediocre draft.
by kaisertown on Apr 30, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Browns wanted Elam as a RFA this year.
The Jets liked him so much they kept him. I don’t think it’s right to say they were going to be cut. All three would have made the final 53 man roster.
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like the Jets selection of Greene. Leon Washington is a nice player, but he isn’t the grinder that Thomas Jones is. For a team that was going to win with defense and controlling the clock by running the football, having a back-up to Jones was a smart move. He will (IMO) have more of an impact for them then any WR they could have drafted at that point.
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by sireric on Apr 30, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Pats always manage to draft players that will keep themselves winners
So while the individual players might not be steller, they all fit wonderfully in their system… looks like another 0-2 year against the Pats.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 30, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NO!!!
We will win week one. Mark my words CBF. Mark my words.
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, how I truly hope so......
And better still: After winning the coin toss, Jauron decides to receive the football first, and on the first play of the season, Edwards will do a play action pass to T.O. for an 80 yard touchdown to set off a playoff season for the Bills……..
I’ve been having this strange dream every week since the Bills signed T.O……am I nuts? :P
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by moncheri on May 1, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, It will be a 68 yard pass. No touchback, and a good return from McGee. Give Bobby April’s unit some credit.
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by sireric on May 1, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I LOVE for us to win one, or even both games agaisnt the Pats. But just like K and releasing Kelsey, I’m not getting my hopes up.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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