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Rumblings Scouting Report: Oklahoma State TE Brandon Pettigrew


Oklahoma State Tight End Brandon Pettigrew (SI.com)

As the 2009 NFL Draft approaches, the editorial staff at Buffalo Rumblings will begin profiling draft prospects that may end up being potential targets of the Buffalo Bills.  We're back on the offensive side of the ball this morning, profiling Oklahoma State tight end Brandon Pettigrew.

Let's be honest folks, the Buffalo Bills haven't had a solid all around tight end since the days of Pete Metzelaars. The position has been plagued with names like Tim Euhus, Dave Moore, Mark Campbell, and Robert Royal. Isn't it time the Bills stopped the revolving door of suck and brought in a player that can adequately hold down the position for ten years or more? Can the Bills bring in a player who can not only block like an OT, but catch like a WR?  More importantly, is Brandon Pettigrew that man?

Pettigrew has been a hot topic around here for quite some time. Is he worth the eleventh overall pick? Is he really as good as most scouts claim he is? There is a prevalent belief that the Bills' front office views Pettigrew as a "one in five years" kind of guy at the position. Let's take a closer look at the player that has some of us drooling and some of us puking, and see if we can answer some of these questions.

Brandon Pettigrew - Tight End, Oklahoma State
6'6", 260 pounds, 4.85 second 40 yard dash
22 bench press reps at 225 pounds
Senior

Strengths: Excellent blocker, in line and in space. Has great size, with long arms on a big frame. He has big, soft hands and can make some tough catches when needed. Big, tough player who not only plays with a mean streak, but can do damage after the catch. Pettigrew has also gotten lots of experience,  he isn't a raw player that will have to learn how to block, or any of the other intricacies of playing tight end. He has played tight end like an NFL player his whole career; he hasn't spent his whole career split out like a wide receiver.

Weaknesses: Ran a 4.85 forty yard dash, which means that he isn't a speed demon.  He also could stand to improve his route-running. Pettigrew was arrested in January of 2008 and charged with felony assault and battery of a police officer, but eventually pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault and battery charges. Coaches and teammates say that he has improved his character, but it is still a red flag.

NFL comparison: Jason Witten, Dallas Cowboys
Pettigrew might be a slightly better blocker then Witten, but they are in the same mold. Pettigrew has the potential to be the over the middle threat that Witten is - too big for safeties to handle by themselves and to fast for most linebackers to deal with.

For more info on Pettigrew, I asked Dan Kadar, who heads up SB Nation's NFL Draft blog, Mocking the Draft, for his input.  Dan was kind enough to take a few moments to answer some questions for me about Pettigrew. Dan also penned this scouting report on Pettigrew.

The statement has been made over at Rumblings that Pettigrew is a "one in five years" kind of player. Do you agree with that statement?

No. He doesn't have quite the athletic ability to warrant that kind of status. If he did, I'm sure he'd be being considered more by Buffalo with the No. 11 overall pick.

What is it about Pettigrew that sets him above players like Chase Coffman and Jared Cook?

Although all three of those guys are coming from a spread offense, Coffman and Cook weren't asked to block as much as Pettigrew. That's what really sets him apart. If he couldn't block as well as he does, he'd have a second-round grade. He also plays stronger than those two.

More after the jump.

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Does the fact that Pettigrew had zero touchdowns in 2008 concern you?

It does, a bit. Part of it makes you wonder about his ability to be a game breaker. It also makes you wonder some about his feet. Maybe he wasn't targeted in the red zone because he has some trouble keeping his feet inbounds. It also doesn't help him that he has a teammate like Dez Bryant, who is a touchdown machine. Oklahoma State also likes to run quaterback Bobby Reid near the end zone, so that probably has something to do with it.

With players like Cook and Coffman becoming more popular in college, do you see tight ends like Pettigrew becoming more rare? (If yes) Does that make him more valuable?

Yeah, that's what makes Pettigrew stand out above those two. He's not a one-trick tight end.

Is the No. 11 pick too high to take Pettigrew and if yes, then where would you slot him?

At this point, 11 is too high. I'd consider him a good value from spot 18 or later. Earlier than that, and it's a slight reach.

Does he fit the Bill?
Short answer, yes. Longer answer, absolutely. Pettigrew is far and away the best all around TE in this draft. His receiving skills are underrated because he isn't the dynamic pass catcher that a Coffman or Cook are, but he is more then capable of being a big time receiving threat in the right offense. With Terrell Owens and Lee Evans on the outside and Josh Reed in the slot, the Bills have the exact offense in place that perfectly suits what Pettigrew can do for an offense. The question is, do the Bills reach at 11 and take Pettigrew, or do they trade down and try their luck? We will see in about 19 days.

Thanks again to Dan Kadar of Mocking the Draft.

Other scouting reports and rankings:
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What about Jay Resmiersakdfjdkjfkd (however the hell you spell it?)

I’d say he was the last solid tight end we had.

If the Bills feel they can only get Pettigrew with the 11th pick I would’t be upset if they grabbed him. With issues on the line this season, his blocking talent could be utilized while he learns the pro game, and when TO is gone next season his receiving skills and hopefully Hardy will make up for that production.

The Bills don’t care about reaching for players and neither do I. If there’s a player you targeted and want, you take him. Its not always so easy to trade down and get value, and the risk of losing the player you covet may not be worth it.

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by BillsNYC on Apr 5, 2009 7:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reimersma was a good receiver, he had great hands, but he wasn’t the best blocker in the world, at least not in Pettigrew class.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 5, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm starting to like Pettigrew more and more

And even though I do think that he would be a reach at 11, I’m not going to be entirely dispointed if the Bills draft him there. Ideally the Bills would trade down for him thought, or add and extra 1st rounder through a Peters trade.

Now I know that a lot of ppl are going to disagree with me, especially K, but I honestly believe that the Bills will dedicate the first round to the offence this year. I think with the Peters situation, OBD will aproach the first round looking to pick up a LT and a blocking TE. That where Pettigrew would come in.

And I’m really starting to like what Pettigrew would bring to the table. If we trade Peters and draft a new LT and Pettigrew, we could line up Pettigrew beside that LT on runshing downs and the left side would be set. In the passign game he could add another inside threat to the already strong trio of Evans, Owens and Reed.

Overall, I think adding Pettigrew to our offence, taking into account that we would solve our o-line problems, could make our offence one of the leagues best. Imagine having to cover Owens, Evans, Reed and Pettigrew while having to worry about the 1-2 punch of Lynch and Jackson, that would spread deffences extremely thin.

I honestly have to say that I’m warming up to the idea of drafting Pettigrew at 11, but I would still rather we trade down for him. Either way though, I would love to see pettigrew in a Bills uniform.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 5, 2009 7:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like your plan CBF, but it has dropped to plan B for me

Plan A – sign George Wrighster, draft Oher/Smith at #11, and use the extra first round pick from the Peters trade to draft Matthews.

How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?

by Joe P. on Apr 5, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be more than happy to drop my plan if we sign Wrighster

I mean we can always dragt Grisham next year, who btw I think is the once in 5 year prospect that OBD sees in Pettigrew.

But right now my plan is to draft an LT and Pettigrew in the first. But if we do sign Wrighster, then yeah, lets draft a LB or DE!

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 5, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is assuming that the Bills will be in position to draft Gresham next year.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 5, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey you won’t be hearing me complaining if we’re not. It would mean we had a good season.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 5, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or the other way around……

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 5, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Craptastic season, resulting in a top 5 pick, I don’t see the Bills or, anybody for that matter, taking a TE in the top five.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 5, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nor should they

And unless there is a fantastic player in the top five, not just a great one, then I’d want the Bills to trade down.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 5, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it’s much harder to trade down from the top five than from #11 due to the outrageous salaries that Top Five rookies command.

by Macktruck on Apr 5, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we have a craptastic season and have a top pick,

odds are good we will be looking for a new head coach and probably take a QB.

How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?

by Joe P. on Apr 5, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m with you on the new coach, but I still have faith in Trent… although a bad year might change that.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 5, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As Brian has said,

the Bills season will go as Trent goes. If Jauron is fired it will most probably mean that Trent did not have a good year. In all likelihood, a new head coach would want to draft his own “guy” at QB.

How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?

by Joe P. on Apr 5, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or trade for a proven one

Say what you will about the price that the Bears paid for Cutler, they have their QB for the next decade and don’t have to use picks on finding one.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 5, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They used more than one pick on Cutler
giving up quarterback Kyle Orton and first-round picks in 2009 (18th overall) and 2010, along with a third-round pick (84th overall) in 2009 to do it

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

If the Bills end up picking in the top 5, they could pick up Bradford or McCoy…. top ten…… Snead or even Tebow.

How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?

by Joe P. on Apr 5, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know that the bears traded 3 pics and a QB for Cutler, and I honestly think it was a fair price. But I forgot about the insane class of QB’s that are comming up next year. My personal favorite is Tebow.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 5, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Tebow a lot, but I don't think he will be a top 5 pick

How he plays next season will have a lot to due with that, as it will with all players of course. If I were to put money on it … I would say Bradford followed by McCoy.

How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?

by Joe P. on Apr 5, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t find next year’s class all that appealing.

McCoy doesn’t seem to have a great arm, nor great size. I’m not sure he’s a top pick.

I don’t think Tebow is going to be a great NFL QB either.

Snead is intriguing, but he’s not very accurate. He needs to improve on that.

I’ll be watching these guys closely this season, because I think we’ll be looking for a new QB next year. That’s not a shot at Trent, but I think we’ll be getting a new coach, who will want to get his own guy in here….

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 5, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

top 10 pick

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I like Pettigrew more than I like Wrighster too, but not having to draft a TE does help us overall so I’m willing to forego Pettigrew in the favor of a better overall draft if we can sign Wrighster.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 5, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

C’mon Joe, be honest, you had never even heard of George Wrightster before that fanshot by Matt. I’m sorry but Wrighster isn’t even close to being in Pettigrew’s class as a TE. I would rather have Pettigrew even at the cost of a first round pick, any day of the week.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 5, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't say that I had before Chris Brown wrote about him on the Bills blog.

Who knows the starting lineup for every team?

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember when he was drafted by the Jags. If I’m not mistaken he was taken with one of the first picks of the 4th round. I remember Kiper saying that he was shocked that Wrightster fell into the fourth.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 5, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

George Wrighster? Come on. For real? One think I have learned over the years is you never listen to Mel (I dont know $hit) Kiper. You want to bring in another guy that might not even make the team? There is a reason he is still available at this point. Wrighster cant do anything more than our current starter in Derek Fine. Both are 6-3; Fine is around 247 where Wrighster is maybe 10 lbs heavier, but, Wrighsters skill set is minimal. Hes a slighlty above average blocker only. Fine has proven to grade out as a pretty darn good blocker and has above average hands. The only knock on Fine that some fans have is that he is not that game changer which some thing Pettigrew will be. My thoughts? I have made it abundantly clear that I disagree with drafting at TE at #11, even if I like the guy. Bottom line, Wrighster should never wear a Bills uniform unless it will be to compete in camp for the 3rd TE spot.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Apr 5, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are telling the wrong guy, read the last comments. I am right there with you.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 5, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, replied to the wrong one Sireric. :)

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Apr 5, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said he was "the answer".

I said he was available.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Apr 6, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wasn’t a starter either….

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 5, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well like I said, if we can take away a need before the draft, then lets do it

But TE isn’t the need that I would take away before the draft. If it was up to me, LeCharles Bentley would have already been signed on an incentive based contract to be our new LG by now.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 5, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LeCharles Bentley is too much of a risk to sign even on an incentive based contract. The guy just cant stay healthy and the fact that he really hasnt played football for the past 2 years. He has lost quite a bit of what he had a few years ago. Not worth it.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Apr 5, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love this line...
The guy just cant stay healthy

He had one injury his entire career. You can say it was a devastating injury made worse by his staph infections but you can’t say he “just can’t stay healthy”.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Apr 6, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about

The guy just can’t get healthy

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 6, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is supposedly healthy right now.

He just hasn’t played in forever and his knee may never be the same.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Apr 6, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I admit it. Never heard of him before Matt's post

That doesn’t mean he isn’t the type of TE that the Bills like.

How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?

by Joe P. on Apr 5, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t really care where they dedicate the 1st round pick, I just don’t think Pettigrew is anywhere close to being worth the #11.

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 5, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My 2 cents

I’m on record saying I want E.Brown at 11, but I’m a huge fan of Pettigrew. It wouldn’t be shocked if OBD drafted him at 11. With that said, I would rather the Bills trade down than take Pettigrew at 11. I strongly feel if E. Brown isnt available at 11 (the only DE prospect that I really like), that OBD should take the Best Player available instead of reaching.

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on Apr 5, 2009 7:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pettigrew is by far the best TE in the class.

Coffman has amazing hands and Cook is a speed and physical freak. Travis Beckum still makes me hesitant to draft Pettigrew so high but at the end of the day, the only guy who could come in and start day 1 and play all three downs for an entire series is Pettigrew. Everette Brown couldn’t do that. Maybin – no way. Beckum, Cook, Coffman couldn’t. Andre Smith could. I think Pettigrew is the only guy I’ve looked at so far outside of Smith who could help this team on every play for one side of the ball. That is why I have no problem taking him at 11. His on the field value is higher than the other guys for this year and in the future he could be a solid starter.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So we only take a guy who can contribute immediately?

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 5, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I hate that logic. You draft a first round player for five years. Give the me the guy who makes the most impact over the life of the contract. I’ll take a guy who is useless year one, decent in year two and great for three seasons over a guy who is just an above average starter his whole career.

Now that’s not implying that Pettigrew or whoever can’t be immediate impact players AND develop into a star.

But the first round should be about finding game changing, superstar type players. You can’t win Super Bowls by taking the low risk, plays a low bust position, but average upside player. You need to take chances on players with the potential to be build a team around talents.

by kaisertown on Apr 5, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what it’s worth, Maycock says that Pettigrew is the equivalent of “plus or minus Jason Witten.” That’s a great long-term investment in my opinion. But he would also help a lot over the next two years given all the instability on the o-line, especially if we do trade Peters (which I still pray doesn’t happen). Derek Fine is a well-above average blocker, but from all reports Pettigrew is even better. He has size, attitude, willingness (he loves blocking) and is said to be exceptional at blocking at the second level. Think of what it could mean to our running game to have Derek Fine on one side and Pettigrew on the other.

by Macktruck on Apr 5, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pettigrew reminds me of this guy

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 5, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pics not working FW.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 5, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Pettiegrew becomes anything like Eric Green was then I would love that type of talent on the Bills roster. I guess I’m just not sold on taking him at #11. But, with that said, we did draft Whitner at #8, so, “maybe” I need to relax a bit on my stance of not taking a TE at #11.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Apr 5, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s fine. The point of that post wasn’t that I don’t think we should take Pettigrew (even though I don’t, at least not at 11), I just hate the belief that the Bills need someone who can come right in and start.

by kaisertown on Apr 5, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yo uare misunderstanding my intention.

I never said “Pettigrew should be the pick because he can contribute immediately.” I said I don’t have a problem drafting him at 11 because he could come in and contribute immediately at an important position. People get too hung up on value at number 11. If he is valuable at 20, he is valuable at 11.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Apr 6, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pettigrew is a great tight end.

I wish there was a chance he’d drop to the 2nd round. I am however beginning to sell myself on the idea of a 2 TE combo like Fine and Cook rather than a do-all like Pettigrew. Pettigrew’s skills as a blocker cannot be denied, but I have to point out that his turtle-esque 40 time makes him look like Rob Royal version 2.0. 4.80 will get you caught from behind by almost any NFL LB and quite a few DE’s as well.

 With hybrid TE/WRs becomeing the rage I really want to see an athelete here like Cook or Beckum. Cook looks like a slighlty larger, slightly slower( but still blisteringly fast for a TE his size and given the slow surface at the combine I’d venture a guess that his 40 time is closer to 4.4 flat) version of Vernon Davis. With Cook in on passing downs along side of Evans, TO, and Hardy/Johnson/Reed/Parrish, I like our odds.

 With that said, a draft like this would be GRRRRRRREEEEEEEEAAAAT!!!!

 Rd1. Andre Smith / Oher
 Trade J. Peters to Detroit for pick 20 & 66( their 3rd?)
 Rd1a. Michael Johnson
Rd.2 Caly Mathews
Rd3 Jared Cook
Rd3a Chip Vaughn

by BuffaloChip on Apr 5, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but I have to point out that his turtle-esque 40 time makes him look like Rob Royal version 2.0. 4.80 will get you caught from behind by almost any NFL LB and quite a few DE’s as well.

How many NFL TEs run away from anybody? I really get tired of this argument in regards to Pettigrew, as long as he can catch and block what difference does his speed make. I think that people are seeing his 40 time and thinking that because he catches the football it should mean the same thing as a WRs 40 time. Pettigrew is a monster size wise and it will take a couple of LBs to take him down.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 5, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pettigrew is a monster size wise and it will take a couple of LBs to take him down.

Add his 33 inch leap to his 6’6" frame and I defy you to find a linbaker that will stop him from making the catch at it’s highest point.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 5, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But if he isn’t quick enough to separate, how will he get open? He can use his size only so much to do that.

His 1.70-second 10 yard split is what is concerning. It’s slower than every other top TE, every OLB and all the top DT’s (outside of Ron Brace). That lack of quickness is really going to hurt him, and is why I can’t consider him at #11.

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 5, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh. I don’t know if I buy that argument. Other than the importance of size, concentration and body control in determining when you are “open”, I think that people seem to imagine him only in one on one battles with LBs or safeties in the open field. Plain fact of the matter is, with Evans and Owens on the outside, we’re going to be seeing a lot of soft zones and coverage rolled over the top. Pettigrew is just going to need to find the natural open areas in the coverage, sit down, and show Trent his numbers. Seems like a pretty ideal situation really.

by PozDispenser on Apr 5, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, but if he’s about as quick as the DT’s in this draft, why are we taking him at #11? Why wouldn’t we just get one of the pretty good (not great) blocking TE’s later in the draft then?

I’ll agree that he could have success against coverage zones. That’s where the size could help, for sure.

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 5, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree.

Receivers can be open without getting separation. What’s most important is that they catch the ball. Without separation, receivers can still catch the ball for a variety of reasons:

Size allows them to shield the defender away from the ball. Or if they have the ability to make contested catches, catch in a crowd, and catch on contact. Long arms and excellent hands provide a wide catching radius and a big window for a quarterback to throw into. This also allows them to extend and catch away from their body, preventing defenders from making a play on the ball when they are closely covered. Jumping ability can also provide a bigger target.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 5, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forth Worth

I saw this post on drafting value vs need on the Vikes site and thought of you. Go get’m tiger :-)

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2009/4/5/823717/the-value-vs-need-discussion-2007

How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?

by Joe P. on Apr 5, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA!

Thanks, Joe!

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 5, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree, BUT how many times is Trent, or any QB, going to throw a ball to a receiver that is in a crowd or with a guy right there with him? Yeah, his size can help in those situations, but how often do they happen?

We also aren’t talking about Pettigrew against a bunch of high school athletes here. Many of the LB’s he’ll be going up against will be nearly his size, and many will be stronger. A lot of what you have said sounds like you think Pettigrew will be the Jolly Green Giants against the kids from Little Giants. It won’t be that easy.

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 5, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that 1.70 split is in space though.

These guys are going to be releasing off the line. Pettigrew is the only guy who has proven he can do that.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 6, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like the trade scenario, don't like the picks

Mainly cause I don’t think Johnson is a good DE in our T2 scheme. I’d replace Johnson with Pettigrew And Cook by Sidbury. I also don’t thin k that Mathews makes it to the second round.

And if you like the good TE combo of Fine and COok, then I really don’t see why you wouldn’t love the combo of Pettigrew and Fine. I’d put those two up against the rest of the league any day.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 5, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Michael Johnson would be an excellent pick in the second round.

Physically, Johnson resembles the closest thing to a prototype 4-3 DE as there is in this draft.

6’7", 266 lbs. Definitely looks the part. Tremendous upside. Has natural pass rush ability, outstanding burst off the edge, and great closing speed. Has rare overall length (very tall with long arms like vines). Will force fumbles. Can jump through the roof (38.5" vertical), disrupts the quarterback’s vision, deflects passes, will play on special teams, and blocks kicks. Bench pressed 225 lbs. 28 times. Very athletic. Has no known character issues, off-field problems, etc. Only started for one year, but had pretty good production (46 tackles, 17.5 tackles for a loss, 9 sacks, 7 passes deflected, 3 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovered, 1 interception returned for a touchdown in 2008). Doesn’t play with leverage, struggles to get off blocks, and gets washed out in the running game. Doesn’t show the physicality and desire to defend the run. Has a history of injury and durability issues, some of which forced him to miss playing time (hernia, hip, torn muscles). I am guessing the primary reason that Johnson only started for one year was because he was that bad defending the run. Also, I am not sure how much of a factor injury, durability, and stamina (he played on special teams) issues played a role in his playing time or whether he started or not.

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by Fort Worth on Apr 5, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very skeptical...

…of any player who obviously has such an abundance of talent, but is so very inconsistent using it. You expect him to dominate every week. I could almost him if his stats mostly came against better competition, then you could see him as that kid in class who is just that much smarter than everyone else and doesn’t try until a real challenge is presented to him. Admittedly he played fairly well against Georgia, but who the hell did Georgia have on their O-line last year? Seems like he gets by on just being more talented.

by PozDispenser on Apr 5, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so, he has tremendous potential. It’d be a shame if he never reached it.

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by Kurupt on Apr 5, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Marcedes Lewis is a much better comparison for Pettigrew than Witten is. If Pettigrew is 80% of the receiving threat that Witten is, I think he would be worthy of the 11th pick, but I don’t think he is. I think Pettigrew is a 40-50 catch a season guy. Great player, but not a top 20 prospect.

I also think that Pettigrew IS a once in five years type of prospect, but that doesn’t mean that he is the best TE in your average five drafts. His size and skillset is so rare, that a player like Pettigrew simply isn’t available in many drafts. It’s the same way I would say that Maualuga is a once every 5 years type of 250+ pound thumping MLB. I don’t think he is all that great of a player, but guys like him just don’t come around very often.

Under the assumption that Buffalo trades Peters, I think they have to go OT with the first pick (assuming one of the big 4 is still available). I would prefer they go DE to any postion with the 2nd pick (by a LOT), but if Buffalo drafts Pettigrew somewhere in the 20s, then I would be just fine with the pick.

by kaisertown on Apr 5, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice comparison. Pettigrew reminds me of Lewis….good blocker, underachiever as a receiver, and similar size….Very nice comparison actually

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by Kurupt on Apr 5, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ewww... Mercedes Lewis?

I don’t know that a Lewis clone would even be worth a first round pick at all.

by Ron From NM on Apr 5, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m of the opinion that Lewis is the single best blocking TE in the entire league. He has a very similiar frame and athletic skill set to Pettigrew too. I think Pettigrew will be a slightly better receiver though and will be somewhere around a 50 catch, 600 yard, 4-5 TD guy and when you couple that with his blocking he is well worth a first round pick. You can see why I wouldn’t really even consider him at 11 though.

It’s a shame that the offensive line guru of the site doesn’t have much respect for a 6’6’’ 275 pound blocking animal like Lewis. I’ll blame the fantasy football society we live in where stats are so important. He had the 16th most receiving yards of any NFL TE, so it’s not like he is completely one dimensional either. There were only 6 TEs last year to catch 60+ passes. With the stats I guessed for Pettigrew, in addition to his blocking, he would easily be one of the 10 best TEs in the league.

by kaisertown on Apr 5, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buffalo has a very good blocking TE already, and he was had in the 4th round. Also, Lewis is one of a string of receiving options the Jags have taken in the first round who haven’t done a lot to help the QB.

by Ron From NM on Apr 5, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I DON"T GET IT!

Why do so many people want to draft this guy? We wouldn’t even talk about this guy if Jermaine Gresham decided not to stay in college for one more year. I would much rather wait a year and draft Jermaine. He is truly the best “pass catching” TE prospect in 10 years.

by mckelvin on Apr 6, 2009 6:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We wouldn’t even talk about this guy if Jermaine Gresham decided not to stay in college for one more year.

That’s not particularly relevant though, is it? We need a tight end THIS YEAR. You can’t base your drafting around who might be available next year. You make your team as good as it can be right now. Pettigrew might help them get there, he might not. That is what’s relevant.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 6, 2009 6:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't "need" a tight end.

Most teams do quite well without a “pass catching” tight end. In fact most people would consider the best best tight ends to be A. Gates, T. Gonzales, J. Schockey, J. Witten, K. Winslow, A. Crumpler, T. Heap and the teams that employ this are not any better than two wideout teams, which we now are along with (Indy (former), New England, and Arizona). Better still are the teams that are just more well-rounded (NYG and Pittsburgh). Which we aren’t.

by mckelvin on Apr 6, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if we don’t need a tight end, why is the Gresham comment even relevant?

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 6, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because, next year we will be a one receiver team again :(

I’d rather get the good DE this year and a better TE next year when we need him. This year we need a DE more, next year we will need a TE.

by mckelvin on Apr 6, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We wouldn’t even talk about this guy if Jermaine Gresham decided not to stay in college for one more year.

Yeah we would. We are talking about like 10 TEs right now. Pettigrew may have been the second-best prospect but we certainly would have been talking about him.

And just because I think you couldn’t be more wrong, I think Chase Coffman’s hands make him the best “pass catching” TE prospect in 10 years.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 6, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UPDATE

I guess I should have put a discloser on that statement saying “with the #11 pick”.

by mckelvin on Apr 6, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

There are many TEs available well into the later stages of the draft that could contribute this year.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 6, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4.85 really is a problem

Boy, that is really slow — and he decided not to run again on his pro day (I think he said he had a bit of hamstring problem). I don’t think the Bills can really spend an 11th pick on him. Also, Cook seems to have no real experience at TE. I think the Bills have to go into the 3rd round and pick up either Coffman, Becham or Ingram.

by labill on Apr 6, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Coffman will be a second rounder IMO.

Beckum and Ingram have only been playing TE for three years.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 6, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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