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Rumblings Scouting Report: Oklahoma OG Duke Robinson


Oklahoma G Duke Robinson (Sooner Sports)

As the 2009 NFL Draft approaches, the editorial staff at Buffalo Rumblings will profile draft prospects that may end up being potential targets of the Buffalo Bills. Continuing our look at offensive linemen, this morning we profile Oklahoma guard Duke Robinson.

With the Buffalo Bills likely preparing to deal with finding a new left tackle, many folks are neglecting to properly recall the fact that the team still has a glaring hole open at left guard as well. Even if the Bills shift Brad Butler to the left side to play next to a rookie left tackle, they'll have a spot at right guard to fill. Amongst draft prospects at guard, Oklahoma's Duke Robinson is most frequently referenced as the best of the best at the position this year.

Joining us this morning is ccmachine, lead blogger at SB Nation's Oklahoma sports blog, Crimson and Cream Machine. He's here to help us get a little first-hand knowledge on Robinson the player and the man. Our scouting report for Duke Robinson is below.

Duke Robinson - Offensive Guard, Oklahoma
6'5", 329 pounds, 5.27-second 40 yard dash
Senior

Strengths: Very stout at the point of attack... Big, powerful frame with long arms... Physical and finishes his blocks well... Easily the draft's most dominant run blocker in terms of interior linemen... Solid technique, in particular with his hand placement and his ability to anchor... Pretty solid football IQ... Has plenty of experience.

Weaknesses: Decent, but not overwhelming, agility... Isn't overly adept at getting to the second level... Not a tremendous athlete; exhibits poor footwork... Relies a bit too much on his natural talent and will get lazy; reaches... Struggles with quick defensive linemen... Is not a perfect fit in every blocking scheme... Is not a technician and isn't the type to out-technique a defender on a particular play... Has work ethic and desire questions surrounding him... Has been labeled by more than one scout as "immature".

NFL Comparison: Bobbie Williams, Cincinnati
Like Williams, Robinson is a run-first blocker that handles himself well as a pass blocker, but won't blow anyone away in that department. He's big and physical, yet hasn't reached his full potential yet. He's not the type of blocker that will fit into every type of blocking scheme, and that includes the Bills' zone-based blocking. Still, with the right system and the right coaching, he has a chance to become an elite road grader in a power rushing offense. He does, however, have to answer those work ethic/immaturity questions beforehand.

I asked ccmachine about Robinson's strengths, weaknesses, and supposed immaturity issues. The interview, as well as a Robinson highlight film, appear after the jump.

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Rumblings: Robinson is pretty universally considered the best run-blocking guard available this year. Yet Oklahoma runs a pass-happy offense behind Sam Bradford. Was Robinson ever a liability as a pass protector?

ccmachine: Not really. Oklahoma’s pass offense is a quick-strike offense where quarterback Sam Bradford finds his target quickly and gets rid of the ball. Because of this, Oklahoma’s offensive linemen didn’t have to hold their blocks as long as a conventional passing attack would. That said, Robinson has been exceptional at both run and pass blocking the past two seasons for Oklahoma.

Rumblings: I've heard Robinson described as "immature", but have not heard any specific references to why. Was Robinson ever a problem off the field while at OU? Is there anything you're aware of that might be behind the "immature" label?

ccmachine: To my knowledge, Duke Robinson has not had any off the field trouble, and I’m not really sure why he’d get tagged with an immature label. The only thing that I can come up with is that possibly it speaks of him reaching his full potential. As good as he was, you always thought that he could be better. At 6'5" and 335 pounds, he’s a physical specimen, but he never really dominated the way a guy of his stature could. He also seemed to mentally check out on occasion by committing a false start at the most inopportune times. The upside to that is those issues should cure themselves through more experience.

Rumblings: Having watched Robinson play throughout his career, what would you consider the strong and weak points of his overall game?

ccmachine: His weakness (as mentioned above) is his tendency to jump the count and draw a flag. He’s also been criticized for slow footwork, but really worked hard in between his junior and senior seasons to drop a few pounds and get quicker feet. As you already know, he’s a very solid run blocker and can hold his own against the pass rush as well. However, I believe that his greatest strength is his upside. Duke will have a long NFL career and he’s yet to tap into his full potential.

Robinson highlight video:

Does Robinson "Fit the Bill"?
If you're asking me, I'm answering in the negative.  I've grown weary of high-talent linemen that never reach their full potential (Dockery, Mike Williams, etc).  Give me a blue-collar worker in the trenches that won't complain, hustles his butt off and doesn't complain.  I like Robinson's raw tools, don't get me wrong, but he's not close to a perfect marriage with Buffalo's blocking scheme.  He would struggle as a rookie, particularly in pass protection.  Robinson needs to be in the right situation to excel out of the gate, and if you're asking me, Buffalo is not the right fit.  I'd pass - but I certainly wouldn't complain if the Bills did take him, as it could be viewed as a sign that the team will be more committed to the run game in '09.

Please feel free to leave your thoughts and any further questions you might have regarding Robinson below in the comments section.

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I agree with you Brian

While Robinson is not a bad choice in the second round, I would take Mack/Unger/Wood before him.

How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?

by Joe P. on Apr 7, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I have a few interior guys ranked ahead of him. The being said, if they are gone he’d be a good addition.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 7, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah – this class rocks for interior linemen. We should be all set if we decided to take a G/C in the 2nd. no real issues with getting a quality player this year

The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.

by J2 on Apr 7, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Give me a blue-collar worker in the trenches that won’t complain, hustles his butt off and doesn’t complain.

So, you want a guy that doesn’t complain?!?!

I’m not a huge fan of Robinson for the same reasons as you. Guys who may have a bit of a motivation issues and never play up to their full potential are extremely risky to me. Robinson is no different.

I wasn’t that impressed with that video either. He didn’t really dominate anyone and much of the time he was simply reaching out and grabbing defenders’ arms. What kind of blocking is that?

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 7, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

So, you want a guy that doesn’t complain?!?!

Get out of my head, K.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 7, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Duke Preston blocking?

by jj24 on Apr 7, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a trick question/statement. There’s no such thing as Duke Preston blocking.

by jj24 on Apr 7, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pass on the Duke

This dude looks like Dockery Part Deux!

Sign me up for Mack/Unger/Wood top tier multi-position interior linemen without ???s

Or Canfield/Levitre/Urbik as 2nd tier guys in Rd 3 or 4.

by freddyjj on Apr 7, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

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Hmm, I don’t necessarily disagree with your points Brian, but the big problem about our O-line is that it just doesn’t do a good job of run-blocking (until the ladder part of the season, where ‘the ship has sailed’ for the Bills), and there’s nobody better in that department than Robinson. I know he reminds a lot of people of Derrick Dockery, but make no mistake – he’s a much better run-blocker than Dockery, though he isn’t yet as ‘good’ as Dock as a pass-blocker.
Andy Levitre is a highly unspectacular prospect, who could be a good player as a pro. If we don’t go the ‘Duke Robinson-path’, then Max Unger would by far be my preferred choice. He’s extremely tenacious and reminds me a lot of a Grey Ruegamer from the Giants; both tough as nails, very intelligent, rarely make mistakes and both get the job done.

Jason Peters-Max Unger-Geoff Hangartner-Brad Butler-Langston Walker

I really like how our three inner guys all are those ‘evil’, gritty guys, who love to dominate the opponents, and then on Tackle have the athletic and size freaks.

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Apr 7, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

what the "experts

I’ve heard both Mayock and Kiper say that Robinson is a 4th rounder. So I can’t see him going in the early 2nd to us. But with our front office, who knows?

by CBATL32 on Apr 7, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

If thats true

He might be a great addition in the 4th…I see no reason why the Bills wouldn’t grab two rookie interior lineman…its a great place to have young, talented depth, with injuries ever on the horizon.

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Apr 7, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta grab one that can play Center. It’d be great if we can draft someone capable of backing up Guard and Center.

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 7, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of my notes from the BCS National Championship Game (Oklahoma versus Florida).

Duke Robinson got off to a bad start in this game. He committed and was penalized for a personal foul (finishing a block and driving a defender into a pile barely after the whistle) and for holding (negated the deep sideline pass completion to Jermaine Gresham) in the first quarter. Robinson did not play the following series in the first quarter and did not play for one series at the start of the fourth quarter (I don’t know if it was due to performance, injury, or whatever, but he played the remainder of the game).

When Robinson did play, I thought he was average overall in this game. I didn’t see hardly any combo blocks; he was usually able to block a defender without any help, run or pass. On two pass plays, he got beat pretty bad. On the first one, a DT not aligned head-on with Robinson penetrated the A gap and just ran by him. On the second one, a DE beat him with a spin move. On the other hand, Robinson had at least two plays (both in the running game I believe) where he drove the defender into the ground. Once he latches on, he drives his legs. I saw him occasionally get to the second level, however he struggles to hit moving targets. I didn’t see a lot of pulling or zone-blocking; mostly just mashing straight ahead. From what I could tell, he played some two-point and some three-point stance techniques. Thick legs and long arms. Robinson seems heavy-footed, though. He doesn’t show the ability to adjust and recover in space; I am concerned about his ability in pass protection in the NFL. Even for an offensive lineman, he has a fleshy body and smooth muscle tone that screams for a weight room and certainly could use some improved conditioning.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 7, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice work...confirms what we have been saying. Thanks

How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?

by Joe P. on Apr 7, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem at all.

Thanks, Joe :-)

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 7, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Robinson is the highestrated overall OG in this years draft but I do’nt think he’s the most dominant Run blocker-I think we need to take a look at Kraig Urbik for the designation.

by Fam_1st on Apr 7, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Didn’t we just release a guard because he was strictly a run blocker? What good will it do us to draft another guard with the same problems? Urbik might be the better run blocker, but the better guard he is not, that title goes to Robinson.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 8, 2009 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im hoping for Alex Mack or Eric Wood but I’d prefer we addressed this O-Line with multiple and maybe up to 3 picks in this draft and of course some draft day trading would help add the extra picks.

by Fam_1st on Apr 7, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

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