With a glut of wide receivers and a 2008 first-round defensive back (Leodis McKelvin) who can...

Well there’s a surprise…..

I’m making a deal if we can get a 4th or better for him.

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by Kurupt on Apr 9, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions

ditto.

not a surprise though….

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 9, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions

4th would be great.

by kaisertown on Apr 9, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Add another ditto. I’d be happy with a fourth too. Hell, I might even be okay with a fifth.

by krytime on Apr 9, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah – good job guys at figuring on the Parrish speculation months ago.

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by J2 on Apr 10, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions

So how much is the league's best punt returner worth?

If we can package him to get a guard or linebacker back, or something like that, that would be great. Otherwise, I,m thinking a 4th rounder might be good.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 9, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions

So, being that I think the Iggles are looking for receivers, could we throw him in a deal with Peters and improve the return? Otherwise, I’m with K- a fourth or better and I’d be fine with shipping him.

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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 9, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions

I doubt the Eagles want him. Jackson is a good punt returner for them already, and they have enough little receivers. They need a bigger, possession guy, IMO.

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by Kurupt on Apr 9, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions

How about to the Chiefs?

Is Waters still on the market?

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 9, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I like where your head is at.

We might have to throw a 4th in to make that deal happen but if it’s me, I do that like yesterday. :-)

P.S. – I think the Bills have talked to the Chiefs and that topic has come up….

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 9, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, I’m thinking that the Cheifs want a 3rd and Parrish or something.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 9, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions

For a player the caliber of Water? I would ship a 3rd or 4th and parrish.

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by Hambone on Apr 9, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Thats what I was saying, the Bills probably offered a 4th or 5th and Parrish, but the Chiefs probably want at least a third… then again their new GM did say that he wasn’t going to trade Waters, so who knows.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 9, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions

wow, 2 picks and 1 player for a 32 years old G ?
I’d give only a 4th round and Roscoe, nothing more.

by hightower_mc on Apr 9, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions

read it again please...

I said, a 3rd OR 4th and Parrish for the likes of Waters.

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by Hambone on Apr 9, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions

sorry,

i read it wrong … hard day at work LOL

by hightower_mc on Apr 9, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions

all good...

I also think the Bills would actually get a pick in return along with a player. Like Waters (who most likely wont go anywhere anyhow) and a 6th rounder for Parrish and a 3rd or 4th.

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by Hambone on Apr 9, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, but....

….look at the production the Eagles got out of Desean Jackson. They might like the little guys, kind of like the Oilers did in their Chuck-N-Duck.

by Ron From NM on Apr 9, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions

What about the Saints?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 10, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions

Only if they want to remove that resposibility from Bush’s plate… which really wouldn’t be a bad idea.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 11, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions

this

just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me…..he’s unreal at punt returns, and McKelvin should primarily be a CB not a KR/PR.

Parrish is electric. A Game changer. I thought Dick Jauron wanted more game changers not less? That’s counterintuitive for a Yale guy isn’t?

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by MARVelous on Apr 9, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions

I am with you Marv.......the guy drops a few balls as a WR and everyone forgets

all the field position he has given us and some TDs too.

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by Joe P. on Apr 9, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions

I think it has more to do with his salery more than anything else

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 9, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Keep in mind that the talks are exploratory. They’re not going to dump him just to dump him. They won’t make the move unless he’s packaged or they can get solid value…

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 9, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions

as long as Parrish doens't hold out. If he even suggests it, then we should dump him for a double latte and a scone :-)

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by Joe P. on Apr 9, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions

That’s wierd Joe P – you don’t strike me as a latte guy.

by krytime on Apr 9, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m with you- he strikes me as more of an Irish Coffee kinda guy.

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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 10, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions

Guess I am busted......

I was just beating the “trade Peters for whatever he can get” dead horse with a different stick.

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by Joe P. on Apr 10, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions

It makes total sense...

What does field position get you if you cant move the ball anyhow? Like it says, this is exploratory, but, I firmly believe that McCelvin, Jackson if/when in camp, a rookie db or wr or even John Wendling. We just need to have someone back there to field the punt cleanly and average about 7-8 yds per return we would be good. If we can get a something out of a trade involving Roscoe it would be an excellent move.

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by Hambone on Apr 9, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions

he’s unreal at punt returns

Is he though?

He scores that TD in the first game of the year and then does what? Occasionally, he’ll give us a nice return, but it’s not like this guy is an unstoppable force or something.

Remember, Freddie Jackson had a number of nice returns in Parrish’s absence last year. Obviously, Roscoe is a better returner, but this also seems to indicate how good the team is at setting up blocks and getting our returner free.

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by Kurupt on Apr 9, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Didn't he have the highest punt return average in the league?

Part of that is Bobby April but part of it is Roscoe Parrish.

by Ron From NM on Apr 9, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Well I never said he was a bad punt returner. He’s very, very good in fact, but I think he’s very replaceable and we shouldn’t think of him as some demi-god of the punt return realm. With April’s great coaching, I think we can have very similar success even with a lesser punt returner….

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by Kurupt on Apr 9, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I don’t know about that. Parrish has some pretty unique moves when he’s got a little space. April can set up the blocking for pretty much any punt returner but that returner has to have natural ability to make it work.

by Ron From NM on Apr 9, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions

but how many of his big returns do you remember being great because of the moves Roscoe made to evade tacklers? Much of his success can be attributed to April and co. Roscoe didn’t free himself for the big return against Seattle, April’s team did, Roscoe just finished it unlike many other guys in the league.

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by Kurupt on Apr 9, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Parrish made some pretty sweet moves in that Seattle return. I’m not saying the another guy couldn’t do well with April’s blocking schemes but I don’t think just any guy could do as well as Parrish.

by Ron From NM on Apr 9, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Well obviously not any old guy could do it. We still need to put a quality return man back there. We can’t just toss Chris Watson back there and expect similar results. I like what I saw of Fred Jackson last year, and we know Leo is dynamite with the ball in his hands.

I’ll have to start investigating draft prospects to see if any RB’s and DB’s have return ability. It’d be kind of pointless to draft a late round WR to replace him.

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by Kurupt on Apr 9, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Chris Watson

Nice reference. I laughed….

by krytime on Apr 10, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions

i'm not worried

bout the field position, i’m worried about the explosive BIG PLAYS. With T.O and Evans, Parrish is a guy that could be more lethal when he does get his touches. I just hate the idea of moving him. He can score from anywhere on the field, and I say the MORE weapons you have the better. I know it’s just exploratory but my guess is this regime has never liked Roscoe, and now with Leodis they feel they can finally dump him

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by MARVelous on Apr 9, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions

He has done nothing in the passing game...

Even when he gets the ball. The lone recollection I have is him taking a slant to the house a while back. He caught a TD against Oakland that had nothing to do with quickness or his speed. He just doesn’t do what we need him to do.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 10, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions

For the purpose of perspective:

Roscoe makes 3 mil this year and 1.5 mil in 2010 and 2011.

Dante Hall was traded from KC to STL for the 148th pick (early/mid 5th round). The teams also swapped third rounders, but that only led to KC moving up two spots from the 84th pick to the 82nd pick.

Hall had 26 catches for 204 yards and 2 TDs as a WR in 2006 and only averaged 8.9 yards per punt return and 22.8 yards per kick return despite being one of the best returners in the league for a few years in a row before that. So, I’m not really sure how he compares considering they were/are (which word should I use there?) similiar receivers while Roscoe is a MUCH better PR, but Hall offered value as a KR that Roscoe probably doesn’t.

Personally, I wouldn’t mind keeping him one bit. He is overpaid this year, but his 1.5 mil salary the couple seasons after is very reasonable for arguably the best punt returner in the league. If his value is a 5th rounder like Hall, then I’m probably going to hold onto him. If it’s a 4th then I would probably deal him.

by kaisertown on Apr 9, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions

Agreed

He is overpaid this yar, but the final 2 years of his contract are VERY resonable. I think the Bills are just seeing what he’s worth on the trade market, and theres no problem doing that. I mean by chance a team offers us a third rounder for him, why wouldn’t they take it?

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 9, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Exactly. You never know what team thinks they can make a Super Bowl run and is willing to make a desperate move. Or maybe someone even thinks they can make Roscoe into a good WR.

by kaisertown on Apr 9, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions

so why not give it a try eh?

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 9, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions

wow, I’m becomeing steriotipical.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 9, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions

becoming? HA!

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by Kurupt on Apr 9, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions

hahahahaha

by kaisertown on Apr 9, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I am not a steriotype! Don’t make me go Charlton Heston on your a**es!

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 9, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree here

As a special teamer, allbeit not the gunner type, Parrish is the best punt returner in the league, and over the following two years is very affordable. I like him as a bargaining chip, as I think every team has a handful of players that while they still like them, are open to trading depending on circumstance. I’m sure that is one think all front offices are looking around for and speculating about, players on other teams who might be trade bait.
Just like how we got stroud last year.
If we keep him, I wouldn’t mind, but if we trade him, I’d rather it be to sweeten a deal with Peters

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by killascript on Apr 9, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, I can take it or leave. I like the idea of throwing him in with Peters. I also like the idea of trading him and a pick for Waters. Lots of possibilities here.

by kaisertown on Apr 9, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Would a draft pick, like a 4th

That we would probably use on an unproven guard be worth it for Waters?
Probably, but if you draft a guy, he comes cheaper, and we might be better off in the long run

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by killascript on Apr 9, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed, thats my take

Why not see what people will give, and if someone is insane enough to offer a three or four alone for him, take it and run. If he is only pulling fifth rounders, see what he and Peters will pull together.

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by WABillsfan on Apr 10, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions

I'm okay with trading him...

If it helps yeild another player (e.g. Waters). Otherwise, at his price, I think it would be better to keep him. I really want Waters, especially since it’s looking more and more like we are going to have a rookie LT this season.

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by jri111 on Apr 9, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions

How about Detroit?

Package him and Peters.

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by BillsNYC on Apr 9, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions

The question is whether or not Parrish will develop a stick in his butt over the trade talk. Surely he must have expected it given his lackluster receiving numbers but I can still see it stinging his pride.

For the record, if the Bills get an offer of a 3rd from someone in the division and a 4th somewhere else I hope they go with the 4th….preferably in the NFC.

by Ron From NM on Apr 9, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions

Drew Beldsoe

Bills offered a first.
Everyone else offered a second.

Bledsoe on the Bills (which I think actually helped the Pats out as well…….)

It’s the only trade between us and a division rival I can think of.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 10, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions

develop a stick in his butt

now that would have to hurt……..his trade value!!!!!

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by Joe P. on Apr 9, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions

Maybe he’d run faster, you know, trying to get the thing to fall out.

by Ron From NM on Apr 9, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions

I hear from everyone that the steelers are interested

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by Toronto? on Apr 10, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

They would probably go as high as a 4th, but nothing more

We need to know whats going on with KC and Waters…. Argh!

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by WABillsfan on Apr 10, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions

Didn’t Pioli say that Waters wasn’t going anywhere?

by Ron From NM on Apr 10, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions

For now he has said so, but it doesn't mean we can't pry him from them at some point

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by WABillsfan on Apr 10, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions

I’ve been wanting to trade for Waters for a while now, but lets be realistic, Waters is their ONLY good lineman, everyone else is either in development or as mediocre a Duke Preston. I honestly think that unles they get a godfather offer, Waters isn’t going anywhere.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 10, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions