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State of the Bills Roster: Quarterback


Edwards enters second full season as starter (photo source)

Now that the 2009 NFL Draft is in the books and off-season player acquisition will crawl at a snail's pace, Buffalo Rumblings has begun re-examining the Buffalo Bills' revamped roster.  We start off our 'State of the Roster' series this morning with a look at the top: quarterback.

Here's the good news... well, it's 'good' depending on your perspective.  If you grew tired of J.P. Losman's erroneous quarterback play and, more importantly, his ambivalent attitude in 2008, you're in luck - the former first-round pick is no longer with the team.  However, if you're averse to watching yet another Bills first-round pick prove himself to be a bust, well, then, Losman's departure is just salt in the wound for you.

Outside of bringing in a new backup quarterback, not much has changed at this position for the Bills.  Trent Edwards is still the starter, and the team is still screwed if he gets hurt - something he's done in each of his first two seasons in the league - or if he can't make significant progress in his second full season as Buffalo's franchise quarterback.  The Bills currently have four quarterbacks on the roster; let's get the 'State of the Roster' series started without further ado, shall we?

STARTER: Trent Edwards
Here's everything you need to know about Trent Edwards in three paragraphs.

Edwards has started 11 games thus far in his career against teams that, the following spring, selected in the Top 10 of the NFL Draft (i.e. pretty crappy to absolutely awful teams).  In those games, Edwards has put together a QB rating of 88.35, thrown for 2,145 yards and 12 touchdowns (with 8 interceptions), and the Bills are 9-2 in those contests.

Edwards has started 12 games thus far in his career against teams that, the following spring, did not select in the Top 10 of the NFL Draft (i.e. mediocre to fantastic teams).  In those games, Edwards has put together a QB rating of 71.49, thrown for 2,184 yards and 6 touchdowns (with 10 interceptions), and the Bills are 3-9 in those contests.

Edwards is a smart player.  He's a likable guy, a positive influence in the locker room, and he's motivated to improve as quickly as he possibly can.  He genuinely wants to be the quarterback this city has pined for since the days of Jim Kelly - and he's busting his butt to get there.  We love him for that.  But the stats are what they are - he has dominated lesser competition, and he's struggled mightily against better football teams.  He needs to perform better in critical situations against the league's better teams - particularly in games against division rivals - or this team isn't going anywhere.  We're pulling for you, kid.

Ryan Fitzpatrick
Buffalo signed its new backup quarterback, formerly of Cincinnati, on the first day of free agency this year.  Prone to turnovers and lacking elite physical tools, it's probably best for the Bills if Fitzpatrick doesn't see the light of day at any point during his Bills career (though he does possess a good mind, a good arm and pretty solid wheels).  The improvement he brings over Losman comes not in talent (clearly), but in the locker room - he's going to be a good influence on Edwards behind the scenes.  He's got the smarts to push Trent in the film room, and he's got the ability to bail the Bills out should Edwards get hurt - again - for a short stretch of time this season.  He's a serviceable backup, and that's more than we can say for last year's backup.

Gibran Hamdan
Another smart guy with a good work ethic.  Can't complain about having this guy on the roster, mostly because he barely exists in the minds of most Bills fans.  He's as solid a third quarterback as you'll find in the league... but let's not think about the way our stomachs will feel if he's ever pressed into action.

Matt Baker
Has a shot to stick on the practice squad if he impresses in training camp.  Was placed on IR last season, and that's probably the only reason he's still around.

Contract situations: Signed to a three-year deal, Fitzpatrick has the most job security at present time - and that's a bit terrifying.  Edwards has two years remaining on his rookie deal, so add 'new contract' to the gigantic list of things Edwards is playing for this year.  That factor probably pales in comparison to items such as 'job security', 'saving a franchise', 'ending a playoff drought', and 'ensuring a coach doesn't get canned'.

Both Hamdan and Baker could be entering their final seasons as Bills.

Bottom Line
Buffalo did a nice job of putting some significant talent around Edwards this off-season.  They're doing the best they can to give Trent every opportunity to succeed - and that's about all they can do.  It's fairly cliche to boil down team success to quarterback play, but it's cliche for a reason - it's true.  This team will go as far as Trent Edwards can carry them.  Forget T.O.; forget the revamped O-Line and the trio of tailbacks; forget the improved pass rush and more playmakers in the defensive secondary.  It's all on Edwards.

It's a sad reality, but unfortunately, Edwards has some significant odds to defy.  Being the blind loyalist I am, I'm fully confident that Trent has what it takes to make strides and lead this team back to the playoffs - I just think he's got it physically as well as upstairs.  But I'm not the type to beat around the bush, either - the season boils down to Edwards improving.  There really isn't an easier way to say it.

As for the rest of these guys - they stabilize the position, but let's hope they don't see the field, shall we?  It's Trent or bust in 2009, folks.  At the very least, it should be an interesting ride.

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1) Is Edwards over the concussion yet? I remember him playing scared most of the second half of the season.

2) I hate the approach of signing a backup that won’t threaten the starter. Kemp, Kelly, Flutie…they all had quarterbacks that threatened their jobs and made them better quarterbacks as a result.

Hey Brian – any inside scoop on how Losman was in the lockerroom last year? Was he basically useless?

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by BillsNYC on May 1, 2009 7:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ve heard many things about Losman last year, none of which I should share here. I wrote what I did about him for a reason in this post.

The Edwards concussion was severely overblown. People are so quick to forget that in his first game back, he completed 80% of his passes in a win over San Diego. You don’t do that with a rung bell. He was fine – he “played scared”, as you put it, because defenses changed their approach to defending the Bills. Edwards destroyed the blitz early in the season, so teams simply stopped blitzing more than a handful of times per game. Edwards couldn’t deal with the coverages, and that is why he was hesitant. His head was fine.

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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And he wasn’t helped by Josh Reed’s injury in weeks 9, 10 and 11. Josh seemed to be a clutch receiver for Trent and with him out it probably increased the coverage on the other WR’s.

by south123 on May 1, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reed was pretty much the TE safety blanket that Trent was missing from our real TEs

With Nelson now in the fold, he should be in better shape to use Nelson for that and Reed for better matchups. Say what you want about Reed vs. his draft position, that guy just knows how to get past the 1st down marker and keep moving them chains.

But well all saw how badly Trent did without him there. This is why TO and Nelson make such a huge difference in my mind.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on May 1, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

the bottom line is Trent needs his confidence to be high and fight through the down times this year. He’s got to be able to make those brilliant throws we saw in the end of the Oakland and Jax games all year long if we are going to be successful. And Turk has to help him. The weapons are there, now it’s having the plays, utilizing Trent’s strengths and putting the ball in playmakers hands so Trent doesn’t have to make big time throws all the time. This season is all about the start….a poor start, T.O. gettn on Trent, and his confidence going down would just about implode this season before it starts. You gotta start fast and that means 2-1 after NO.

The problem with Trent last year was his head. And not literally, just his mental makeup. Guys were open, he just played scared and afraid to make a mistake. He’s tougher than that but he went into a complete shell in his losing streak. Plus he needs to stay healthy for a change.

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by MARVelous on May 1, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kemp, Kelly, Flutie…they all had quarterbacks that threatened their jobs

i dont know about Kemp, but Kelly never had any serious competition, Frank Reich was the perfect back up, flutie and johnson had the competition but in the long term neither lasted and the franchise has still not recovered fully from the QB controversy.

Football. Bloody Hell!!

by gregeng on May 1, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kemp’s backup for 4 years was Darryl Lamonica, guy won 90% of games he started. Good read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryle_Lamonica

Kelly has admitted on numerous occasions that the reason he worked so hard was because Reich challenged him for his job and was a key part of his success.

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by BillsNYC on May 1, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I don't think the concussion was why Trent was "playing scared"...

-He came back after that and smoked San Diego having his best day as a pro.
-A few weeks after that he dove through some guys into the end zone at Kansas City.

I never bought they he was playing scared as opposed to “throwing cautiously”. I don’t think he went around saying “I have to get rid of the ball so I don’t get pounded into the turf again.” What I do think is he lost his favorite target when Josh Reed went down and without his safety blanket he struggled. This year there should be no excuses for that.

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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scared not to make mistakes….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 1, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly.

That’s why I think the concussion wasn’t part of the equation. If he had cobwebs it would be one thing but he didn’t. If he had lingering effects from the concussion it would be one thing but he didn’t. He didn’t want to make mistakes. It’s not that he was woozy, had cobwebs, or was afraid to take a hit. Those are the signs that a concussion is having lingering effects.

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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but those may be signs of a bigger worry for the team. If Trent is too scared to make mistakes, then he’s also too scared to make plays. That’s a problem.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding TE’s splits against good/bad teams: There’s no way I’m going to spend the time looking this up, but I suspect that most quarterbacks do much better against crappy teams.

by tm on May 1, 2009 7:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Clearly. But does that mean that we can’t say that Trent needs to play better against good teams? We’re not going back to the playoffs until he does…

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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he needs to play better overall. I wouldn’t call that 88 QB rating against bottom 10 teams ‘dominating’.

An 88 QB rating would have ranked 11th last year which I would call slightly above average.

by Pistol on May 1, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What? You don’t trust Fitzy at QB? Common, he only drove Cincy into the ground last year. I’m sure that he’ll be fully capable of taking the reigns of this team and droping them like he did in Cincy.

With all seriousness, I totally agree that it’s Trent or Bust this year, so make sure you reserve a seat for me on the blind loyalist train.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 8:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Which platform is the “I’ll believe it when I see it” train leaving from?

If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...

by thatguy34 on May 1, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gate 90 from Kurupt City

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 1, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect. Is there a sleeper car? I expect it to be a long trip.

If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...

by thatguy34 on May 1, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There will most definitely be a drinking car. We need it!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scotch, Gin, Vodka or Beer?… how about all of the above?

by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fully stocked bar

of course!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 3, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now your talking my language!

And please, lets make it an open bar, I think we’ll need that too.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 3, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh....I wouldnt say he drove them into the ground.....

He was 4-3-1 as a starter in the second half of the year last year…including winning the last 3 in a row…He didnt have great stats at all…but isnt winning the stat that trumps all?

If the Bills had finished 4-3-1 well…..lets just say things would probably be looking a lil better in Buffalo right now.

Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009

by norcaliangelsfan on May 2, 2009 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I entirely agree. I was just being sarcastic. As far as backups go I actually thik that we have one of the leagues better backups in Fitzy… even if I don’t want to see him play this year. And I honestly think that Cincy drove itself into the ground long before Fitzy took over

by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i am all for the blind loyalist train, does it stop at ridiculous optimism?

Football. Bloody Hell!!

by gregeng on May 1, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I billeive it departs from Ridiculous Optimism and arrives at Painful Reality sometime in December.

"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker

by Joe P. on May 1, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. December? I thought I remember it being a much shorter ride last year. Like, say…early November?

If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...

by thatguy34 on May 1, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if/when Edwards gets hurt......they call in Mercy Flight and we get there faster.

"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker

by Joe P. on May 1, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey if Painfull reality is only in December then our tem would be getting better! I’m used to seeing painful reality in early November.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edwards play better?

Brian, when you say that Trent must play better against the good teams (against all the teams hopefully), is there a specifc part of his game that you are referring to? In the games against good teams, was his decision making off, his accuracy, or was he not taking enough risks (or the easy answer, all of the above)?

I recall him saying after one game that the defensive looks that he saw on the field were nothing like what he prepared for because they were in a 3-4 front and the Bills practice 4-3 fronts. If thats the case, I think he could play better with the right coaching and practice settings, and just having had that experience now against 3-4’s.

But if its just due to better coverage, I don’t know if he can ‘play better’. If no one’s open, no one’s open. And with all the new weapons around him, if his numbers do get better this season I wouldn’t necessarily say that he is playing better or just that he is finally has someone open.

by south123 on May 1, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that quote came after a game where the other team kept dropping 8 into coverage.

Teams blitzed early in the year because they thought they could rattle him but it backfired. So teams then began dropping 8 into coverage. That was a big shift and he had problems, most notably in the Browns game. I don’t think it was a 3-4 vs 4-3 comment but I’ve been wrong before.

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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

8 in coverage

That still amazes me, having 8 guys back in coverage and only rushing three.

by south123 on May 1, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bills should be able to audible more this year so when there is 8 in the box we pass and 8 dropping back we run. That is how you beat monster coverages – you run at them. I think as much help we’ll get from our new offensive personnel, we’ll get an equal share from having another year in the same offense, and another year of experience for Trent.

by syrbillsfan on May 1, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any love for Cullen Harper? He could possibly sneak into the third spot if he shows something in the spring and summer

by Hybrid1486 on May 1, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I highly doubt he would be ahead of Hamdan...

He may make the PS instead of Baker though.

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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll second that. Hamdan and Trent are best friends, if for no other reason, that alone should give Hamdan the inside track to being QB#3.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Attn Todd Haley: "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"

by KansasCityShuffle on May 1, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion

Trent Edwards
For a Rookie out of the gates he has done a very admirable job considering the O-Line problems, the lack of playmakers other than Evans in the passing game, the lack of an experienced coordinator with a system (ie total misuse of Lynch/Jackson)… I really like the way you broke it down Brian because it clearly shows that he came out of the gates pretty hot considering the issues we had on offense. I think that he has the tools to be our Franchise guy for quite some time. My biggest issue with Trent is the injuries. Mind you when I look back at last year, he was out for a few games but it was not because of fragility on his part, he got hit by a freight train because out O-Line didn’t do it’s job.. I feel confident that he got strong enough to last the whole schedule. My biggest concern regarding Trent Edwards is his ability to play in the cold, in his first year he played very poorly in those conditions and last year he did not play that many games outdoors in Dec, difficult to tell given the 100 Mph winds in the Last game. So going into this year, my biggest concern his his ability to play in December Buffalo weather.

I really did not like the Fitz signing. Like you said, he is a pure backup and we hope he does not have to go in. Honestly, with the injuries from the past few years we should have gotten a more solid backup option such as Harrington or Batch.

Hamdan..

He’s as solid a third quarterback as you’ll find in the league…

Brian, this statement is just wrong. From what I’ve seen from pre-season work, he is not at all in the same league as many other 3rd QBs in this league. What really makes this point important is the fact that I really don’t like our #2.

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by keysh67 on May 1, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hamdam

I was upset last year during the Jets game in which Losman was horrible, they should have played Hamdam to see how he has progressed since he came on board. I like his game, he is an unknown, but please don’t hate on the guy simply because he hasn’t been given a shot.

Just a thought – I hope OBD keeps an eye on Tampa’s QB situation, if Josh Johnson is not the #2, I would offer a 5th rounder for him. I know he is Lynch’s cousin, but from what I read he is much more mature than Marshawn. He is fast, has a big arm and if he is available through trade, he would provide a decent back-up with more upside than any other QB on the roster (except maybe for TE).

by NorCal BillsFan on May 1, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They did deactivate Losman for the last two games of the year.

and Hamdan was the number 2 guy.

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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Im one of the biggest Trent homers there is.........I have faith.....

much more faith than I ever had in Losman.

Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009

by norcaliangelsfan on May 2, 2009 6:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I do have faith in Fitzpatrick as well

He does have “Elite” physical tools but he is smart, can move really good and is accurate. Reminds me a lot of Flutie

by blueverinefan on May 5, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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