News and Notes: No-Huddle offense returning to Buffalo?
ESPN.com's Tim Graham reported Thursday night, citing a 'team source', that the Buffalo Bills are on the verge of implementing the no-huddle offense as a significant portion of their base offensive scheme.
Rather than break it down from a personnel standpoint and talk about why it could work, you'd be better served reading Graham's article. I'll say right now, at the outset, that I'm squarely in the 'I'll believe it when I see it' camp - we have heard promising items like this about our offense for the last two years, and in those two years the Bills have sported some of the league's most boring and unproductive offensive attacks. But there is one reason why I'm hopeful that Graham's report is true:
The no-huddle offense demands that Trent Edwards become a more assertive field general.
I'm as big a fan of Trent Edwards as anybody - he has some flaws, sure, but I like the kid because - as I mentioned earlier this morning in our 'State of the Roster' piece on Bills quarterbacks - he genuinely wants to be, and his working his butt off toward becoming, the quarterback that finally, mercifully, ends Buffalo's nine-year-long playoff drought.
But Trent isn't an assertive quarterback. He is hesitant at times with his decision-making, and though he's considered a good leader and a great teammate, he's obviously not the most vocal quarterback you've ever seen. A no-huddle offense would push Edwards closer to the 'alpha male' status that makes great quarterbacks legends, good quarterbacks great, and so on. Those players are leaders. Trent has that same type of quality about him, but after two seasons as a starting quarterback in this league, he's been far more passive than you'd like to see your quarterback be. It's almost as if he's been more concerned about not overstepping his bounds as a team leader than doing all that is necessary to command his offense successfully.
The no-huddle offense would force Edwards' hand - it would mandate he assume more on-field control. He can most certainly handle it from the mental standpoint. He's a smart kid. He can handle making quick calls, overseeing on-the-fly substitutions, and getting his guys lined up and ready to roll. The rest will come with experience, but if this offensive attack gets Trent talking more on the field - 'commanding his troops', so to speak - then the experiment will have been worth it. This season is all about Edwards getting better - without that, the team isn't going anywhere.
We can talk about Buffalo's skill players, its re-tooled offensive line, or the team's offensive coaching staff all we want in relation to the no-huddle (nominations for a new nickname, akin to the 'K-Gun', are welcome). I remain solely focused on Edwards. This offense could make him a more assertive quarterback - and that's the most important thing that can happen this year. This needs to be Trent's team, through and through.
Notes on O-Line, LB, Peters and more from Two Bills Drive
One other article I wanted to turn your attention towards today, folks - Lori Chase, a staff columnist at the excellent Two Bills Drive, attended a private media session with Bills COO/GM Russ Brandon and head coach Dick Jauron on Thursday night and came away with some candid and to-the-point responses from each man. We absolutely suggest that you check out the entire article here - it's a tremendous read. We wanted to highlight a few important quotes here, however, for discussion purposes.
Jauron on Brad Butler moving to RT...
"There’s a really good chance that we will move Brad Butler out. Brad’s a very unselfish player. He may be more suited to tackle than to guard, and he’s a good guard. We’ll just have to see how it all goes with the young players, and Kirk Chambers can play guard, too. We’ve got some other guys we can see at that position. But at this point, I would say that we’re kind of counting on that to happen. We’re kind of counting on Brad to take that spot. We’re counting on Langston to take that left spot, to be the defender, the pass blocker that he is. And then compete inside. That really solidifies us. I think it gives us a cohesive group of guys, tough guys."
Jauron on the situation at SAM linebacker...
"I really like our starting (linebacking) corps, but I’d like to be able to stay healthy for the year. That changed before we played a game last year, when Angelo left on the Thursday before the opening game. Keith did a terrific job filling in all year at that spot. Kawika upgraded us; he’s tough, he’s big. Paul will take another step this year. Paul Posluszny’s a guy who loves football, he’s very smart, and he’ll be even more confident this year. I’ve got a lot of faith in those guys."
And, perhaps the quote that will hijack this entire discussion, Brandon on behind-the-scenes with former OT Jason Peters...
"We told Jason – I personally told Jason – that we would not renegotiate his contract with three years left on it, because he was not our priority. Lee Evans was our priority. I said, ‘You come back to camp, and once we get Lee done, you become a priority.’ The day that we signed Lee, I had him come to my office, and I said, ‘You are now the priority.’ We worked on that for five or six months, and we offered Jason an enormous contract – the largest contract in Bills history – and he had no interest in it. None. That was right at the conclusion of the season."
Be sure to check out the article, linked above, for more in-depth information. This was one of the better pieces of journalism I've read in probably about a year. Terrific article - don't miss it, folks.
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the largest contract in Bills history – and he had no interest in it. None. That was right at the conclusion of the season."
I heard that the jerk store called Peters saying they were out of him so thats why he didn’t sign it.
Sorry – but this just makes me even more mad at Peters – come on dude – wtf
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No offense
But that’s the most depth in one article I’ve seen in a long time, I didn’t want it to end. The quotes made it obviously, but man that was a great read.
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by BillsNYC on May 1, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No offense?
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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To your recent articles. :)
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by BillsNYC on May 1, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No-huddle and Peters
The Bills FO is not as dumb as they look sometimes. I whole-heartedly believe that Peters wanted out no matter what contract was put in front of him. I only wish that Wilfork chops his knees out in philly’s first preseason game this year…
The no-huddle offense would be the best thing the Bills have done offensively since, well, the last time they ran the no-huddle. What a simple way to make your quarterback’s job easier and keep the defense on it’s heels. It’s clear that Trent thrives in a more up-tempo attack (4th quarter comebacks early last season anyone?) Not to be repetitive on what Tim Graham said, but everything on our offense falls perfectly into place for this to happen. Multiple pass-catching RBs, smart receivers, a young athletic offensive line with a smart center, several pass-catching options at TE and a QB that’s smart but lacks some confidence at this point.
I’m in the “believe it when I see it mode” as well Brian, but if I do see this happen I will instantly break into a Bills Shout Song celebratory dance.
(Working on my avatar also Brian, not in time for this comment…)
by willgarr15 on May 1, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point
on Trent and the 4th quarter. One of the biggest thing this team is lacking is a quicker tempo..along with remembering how to win.
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by billsoferie on May 1, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited about the no huddle
What’s the point to having these smart, quick thinkers around if you don’t use their talents and give them some leeway to choose run or pass on the fly? This really could be great!
by syrbillsfan on May 1, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, let's go for it
What do we have to lose? Our offense has stunk the last two years, so try something new to shake it out of its doldrums and give Edwards a great opportunity to be the leader he should be (and has to be, for us to succeed.)
by ccthemovieman on May 1, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peace!
That just makes me even happier that he is off this team. Even if he playes well for philly this year he wouldent have been that same player for us, it wasent just the money for him. Jason wants a free ride to a good season and he obviosly dident have the faith in this team. So, nice havin ya aboard swine flu, not gunna miss ya.
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by billsoferie on May 1, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thoughts
Quite frankly, I was somewhat stunned when you look at some of the trades that happened in the offseason, with Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel going for a second-rounder and some of the other moves that were made. When that first-rounder came available, along with a few other picks, we felt it was the right move
Good. I think this comment reveals a lot about the fact that the Bills view the Patriots competitively. They saw the Pats racking up draft picks and decided they had to act to keep up. Rather than bank on Peters showing up they shipped his selfish self out of here and got the picks. Good for them.
Geoff Hangartner was 100 percent our No. 1 priority going into free agency at 12:01.
We know the front office loves intelligent, hard working players. A lot of times in the past that has backfired on us (giving large contracts to Kelsay) but when it comes to the center position that means they got the best guy on the market. He’s still young and the combination of a smart QB and a smart center can make your offense dangerous. If OBD viewed him as the #1 priority he’s probably going to be a great line caller.
Here’s a player that we brought in as a undrafted free agent, we developed, we signed to an over-market contract
I think that quote is more revealing than
we offered Jason an enormous contract – the largest contract in Bills history – and he had no interest in it. None
I think the first one shows that the Bills expected Peters to be grateful for our past faith in him and when he wasn’t there was little hope of him staying. I have no doubt they offered him the biggest contract in Bills history but I think his getting shipped out, like getting rid of Crowell, was based on a vendetta mind-set, at least in some sense. Not saying I agree or disagree, just saying.
One thing about Drew Rosenhaus, he hardly ever wears a tie. But he had a tie on that day, and I said, Why are you wearing this tie, he said, because I think we might be doing a press conference
Wow, this is telling. To me, this means that Terrell Owens wanted Buffalo, not because it was his only option but because he’s T.O. and loves to stir things up. He could have gone to a dozen other places for 1 year, 6.5 mil, no question. That contract is a steal. He chose Buffalo for a reason. I’m not saying I know that reason but I’m saying I think T.O. wanted to be here instead of a place like New York (Jets), Tampa, Minnesota, or Chicago. No superstar comes to Buffalo ready to ink, but he did. I seriously wonder if the idea of picking up a deflated franchise, with a hardcore fan-base, and returning it to glory is not intriguing to T.O. He’s a competitor, he loves a challenge, and most of all he loves proving people wrong.
Couple more things:
- Brad Butler could very well be a better RT than he was a guard, and he was a great guard.
- We need to run the ball, our offensive line is so strong in that department
- Make Langston Walker a captain, great guy, has always embraced Buffalo and is the senior man on offense now besides TO and maybe Evans.
- I still can’t get over how much I like our two first round picks. When Maybin speaks two things come across: he’s smart, mature, and humble for a 21 year old and he knows this team already and likes it. When Wood speaks two things come across: he’s tough, mean and confident. I love his response to the questions he keeps getting about the NTs in our division. His facial expression changes, just slightly, whenever hes asked that and you can tell some innate nastiness inside him clicks on. He wants to beat em up.
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by poz on May 1, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Poz on TO – maybe he loved the atmosphere on the Monday night game. I mean if you think about it – we just freaking rule as fans – especially at the stadium (pats fellow fans on the back)
We (as buffalowhiner once said) breathe Bills – maybe he just wanted a fan base that would accept him while bring the franchise back into recognition. I’m not sure that’s right – but could have been a factor in some regard
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on May 1, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah well the signs some of my friends had at that game wouldn't endear TO to Buffalo...
whoopsie.
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol – tell your buddies to think long term!!!
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah...
we really knew T.O. was going to be released and sign with BUFFALO!
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha – i know – just messing with ya
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the atomsphere
was amazing on that night! I still can’t believe how it ended….oh wait, yes I can..
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by poz on May 1, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was awesome there that night.
Kelsay, Wilson with INT returns… pretty sweet.
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by MattRichWarren on May 4, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or was it Denney?
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by MattRichWarren on May 4, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Kelsay
he actually made a play!
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by Kurupt on May 4, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I remember that. Batted it out of the air, actually caught it, then ran about 15 yards for the TD. Hands down the best play of Kelsey’s career.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 4, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The place went bonkers after that....
nuts
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by MattRichWarren on May 4, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We (as buffalowhiner once said) breathe Bills – maybe he just wanted a fan base that would accept him while bring the franchise back into recognition. I’m not sure that’s right – but could have been a factor in some regard
If that was a factor in his decision, and he has a good year for us, I say resign him. Turn that 1 year contract into a 3 year contract.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
you for sure as hell cannot argue with the character of the guys we brought in….I mean up and down the board I am just enthralled with the conviction and character of guys like Wood, Maybin, Hangartner, and even dare I say T.O. That article almost made me wet my pants a little it was such good insight. That’s some great stuff.
I wouldn’t start thinking T.O. “wanted” to come to Buffalo. It was clear at his press conference he was as stunned as anyone that he just signed with the Bills. Fact is, the Bills are desperate and WANT to win. T.O. helps us do that. That’s the bottom line…
I’m still worried about the defensive front 7. I think that group desperately needs Chris Ellis to have a significant impact this year. If Ellis can impact that group, our defense could become disruptive with the situational Maybin.
Finally, the OL. You can tell that Brandon/Jauron are grinning ear to ear about their new OL. And how can you blame them. Arguably the most important group on the football team is now full of mean, nasty, intelligent, hard working guys, none of which are making ludicrous money, and I think will be the defining key in getting them to work together as a unit. Last year we thought the season came down to Turk and Trent. You think we said that a lot last year? You’re going to hear that a million times over between now and Sept. This season is entirely up to Trent Edwards and Turk Schonert.
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by MARVelous on May 1, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your right
the difference between the two lines is startling. One is fresh and young, nasty, and tough. The other is aging and pretty beat up. I’ve been quietly chanting Chris Ellis’ name this off-season because we have a lot riding on this guy. We can’t let another third round pick take as long as Youboty has to come around. Ellis needs to start contributing this year. If he can, I like our chances of improving our pass rush.
And you know what, I agree with you on T.O., I like his desire and hard working attitude.
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by poz on May 1, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If TO can keep himself to that work ethic and desire (I know thats a BIG if), then he could be amazing for us. He will definatly be a terrific mentor for Hardy and Johnso.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
As far as the Bills’ mindset on Peters, you could say they were looking for some gratitude, yes, and they probably thought they could get a small home team discount, but that seems rarer in all sports these days. Peters wanted out, period.
As far as captaincy, that is decided by the players themselves.
by syrbillsfan on May 1, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems rarer in all sports these days
Amazing isn’t it? As a nation we keep being told we need to hate the CEOs who are making bonuses and then we go out and cheer our hearts out for a guy like Matt Stafford, who hasn’t worked a day in his life for that 78 million contract he just signed, 42 of which is guaranteed!! I guess they don’t have employees working under them but man oh man, in an economy like this Stafford just gets handed that kind of money? We lost Peters because of a rookie contract last year. They really need to fix this thing. At least the NBA starts rookies off on a lower scale and gives guys more money the longer they’ve been in the league!
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by poz on May 1, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great points about our draft picks poz.
They make me happy to root for the Bills.
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like our 2009 team, no doubt about it!
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by poz on May 1, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No superstar comes to Buffalo ready to ink, but he did. I seriously wonder if the idea of picking up a deflated franchise, with a hardcore fan-base, and returning it to glory is not intriguing to T.O. He’s a competitor, he loves a challenge, and most of all he loves proving people wrong.
Thats exactly why I think that if TO has a good year, it may actually be a good idea to resign him. Who know’s, maybe he’ll actually like it here. And if he keeps the same character he had in Dallas, then I actually see him in a Bills jersey for 3 years, not just 1.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offense nickname...
Route 5… because with Trent behind the wheel, we’ll be driving all day!
by Moneyballer23 on May 1, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
T-gun
E-A (Edwards Assault)
JWBW – JUST WINN BABY WINN
7PP – 7 point plan
The 5 drive
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like K’s sugestion in another post. The “Stun Gun”
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone in the ESPN comments suggested the “Stun Gun” in honor of Whitner.
If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...
by thatguy34 on May 1, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kurupt brought that up last night, too.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on May 1, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Popcorn Express
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by Joe P. on May 1, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most likely can't use that name until game 4.
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by Joe P. on May 1, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Drive at 5
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on May 1, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't forget - THE EXTERMINATOR FORMATION
For get the == K GUN== IT’S history it will always be remember, IT’S time for the ( E )FORMATION AS EXTERMINATOR FORMATION. Thats right baby we are going to put some insane points in the game this year , THE TIME is now
abayarde’s got us on this one guys
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
abayarde was right on with that
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on May 1, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trent - Nelson - Terrell - The TNT formation.....let's blow up some defenses!!!!!
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by Joe P. on May 1, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it’s a tight end intensive offense you could call it
The Half Nelson
by Blackthorn on May 2, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
I say wow in reference to the Peters quote….and frankly if that is the case, let him be somewhere else. I think it might be like the Titans losing Haynesworth, and while that was through free agency, not trade, it is similar I think because the titans put a big deal on the table, but it wasn’t enough for a guy who just wanted to leave. We got good value from the trade, what could be an all-pro guard, and some depth so whatever….
And I do like LW at left and Butler at right tackle…and let them fight it out in the middle….Langston is a good smart player, and will use his brains, in my opinion, to make up for his lack of athletic ability in terms of comparing him to Peters…I want team guys on the line, not me guys, so here we are. Langston has been a consistent contributor and may have been the best free agent OL we ever brought to Buffalo, but this season will tell the tale.
I am not high on Ellison and never have been, but there might be some surprises from him or elsewhere on the team. We need solid, consistent units, on all three phases, offense, defense, and special teams, and this being Jauron’s fourth year, and alot of his guys, this is his opus, because if the team fails, Jauron will probably not be a head coach again….Go Bills
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by killascript on May 1, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sign Derrick Brooks!!!!
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by poz on May 1, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OBD Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaase hear our cry! We want Brooks!
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In regards to Walker, I want the guy to shed 30 pounds before the season
He has good feet for a 330+ man, but I think shedding some of the extra poundage could really help him improve in shadowing the speed rushers he will see.
Also, I think they need to just rotate Maybin and Schobel on him everyday in practice and on every passing down have them just try to beat him to the edge or spin inside so he gets used to what he will see all season long, against some very good to very poor pass rushers.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on May 1, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’d be a very good, but not great, LT at about 310. So I think your right.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about at 340? He’s close to 370 right now isn’t he?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? he’s that heavy? I though he was already around 340…. I think he needs to get down at least around 320 to be agile/fast enough to be a good LT… might be asking too much of him though.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s listed at 6’8" 366 lbs and that’s probably being kind.
Peters was 340
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow… Ok he needs to lose about 40 pounds then, at least. Lets et this guy some slim fast!
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts...
The richest contract in Bills history is only 7M a year. That was Dockery’s contract. That’s not saying a whole lot from Banrdon’s perspective.
People are going to read too much into the LB comment. Schoop and the Bulldog hate Ellison and they will say that this comment means he was happy with Ellison all along. I think if they could upgrade they would, but why piss off the guy you have starting now by saying “of course we’d like to upgrade over Keith” or something like that when it’s not going to happen.
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The richest contract in Bills history is only 7M a year.
isn’t Lee making over 9 mil a year?
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly… the Bills could have offered the highest contract in team history and still have it be below market for Peters…. that’s just spinning it to make the fans turn on Peters and not the team for trading him.
by Pistol on May 1, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it isn’t. Matt forgot the Lee Evans deal.
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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The richest contract in Bills history is only 7M a year. That was Dockery’s contract. That’s not saying a whole lot from Banrdon’s perspective.
Too far back. Lee Evans signed a four-year, $37.5 million deal, if I’m not mistaken. That is the richest contract in Bills history, at just under $9.5 million per.
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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what
we call “touche” in the business, MRW
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by MARVelous on May 1, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh huh....
Sorry I was going based off the August 2008 list. Sue me. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what I thought – so you figure at minimum its 9.5 when in reality its probably closer to 10+ million
I’m pretty sure they put an offer that was more than respectable
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t know that Brandon is talking about $/year do we? I assume when he says richest he means $49 million.
by Pistol on May 1, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that’s not accurate either. Schobel signed a seven-year, $50 million deal about five months after the ink had dried on Dockery’s deal.
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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the help.
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whi probably makes the reports that OBD offered Peters 9.75 per year accurate.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ellison
Jauron commented on Ellison in a roundabout way in his post-draft presser which I then commented on in my phenomenal fanpost earlier this week DJ said
when the whole thing works together when the offense scores more points there’s not as much pressure on say the run defense there’s more pressure on the pass defense.
Ellison is clearly a better pass defender then in the run game. More leads for the Bills, equates to team’s trailing more, so thus they have to throw the ball more, which in Jauron’s eyes plays to the strength of his secondary and now hopefully our pass rush as well as guys like Ellison who are better playing in space than shedding blockers. The whole damn off-season makes so much sense I need to calm myself down before I get my hopes up too much!
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by MARVelous on May 1, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ellison is more suited to be on the weak side then the strong side. Watch him switch sides if Mitchell goes down with injury.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see a no-huddle offense here in b-flo
I just cant see Jauron running one. He’s about as exciting and spontaneous as plate tectonics.
by BuffaloChip on May 1, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats an earth shaking revelation Chip
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by norcaliangelsfan on May 1, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude – don’t be dissing on plate tectonics – that stuff is cool
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on May 1, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i would like to add – what do you think the krakatoans think about “exciting and spontaneous” – geez :)
but back to reality – I think DJ will do whatever he thinks will win him football games – thats pretty much the bottom line at this point. Even if its not his forte – he NEEDS to win – if that means getting out of his comfort zone then thats what it means.
plus with the signing of TO – i think we’re seeing a little bit of that side from DJ
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peters/Dockery
I was listening to an interview of Joe D on WGR. The subject of the Bills draft and Peters/Dockery came up. Joe D said that the Bills got some good O Lineman in the draft and they should work out good. He also said that trading Peters was a great move by the Bills, he said that Peters and Dockery were Over Sized and Over Rated
by Bob on May 1, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Peters
We told Jason – I personally told Jason – that we would not renegotiate his contract with three years left on it, because he was not our priority. Lee Evans was our priority. I said, ‘You come back to camp, and once we get Lee done, you become a priority.’
I don’t know about you, but it PISSES me off when people at my work tell me I am not a priority! Furthermore, it would infuriate me if they told me employee A was more of a priority then me. This is how I thought the contract negotiation went. Peter asked for a new contract. They basically said NO and we will not renegotiate a fair market contract with you. The fact that he had 3 years left on his contract shouldn’t mean anything. Peters could have had a career ending injury week one and never been able to recoup that value. In football, more than any other professional sport you have to get while the getting is good. The short career span and the fact that many contracts have little guaranteed money, make this a priority.
Basically, whether you want to hear it or not. If YOU were in the same position as Peters you would have done basically the same thing, admit it. Again, people are speculating as to what the “Largest” offer in Bills history was. We don’t know exactly the parameters. I think he deserved to receive the largest contract, he was our only pro bowl player, again, whether you like it or not. I think their is a little insight into the fact tha Brandon did not make the comment comparing the Bill’s contract to the one Peters ultimately received.
Basically I still feel that OBD mishandled Peters and ultimately severly hurt our football team.
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Peters is a baby
What about the 5Mil garunteed he got 2 years prior? Dont tell me you could be pissed off when the team says Lee is priority 1 (free agent in offseason) then we can work on your deal. IMO Russ told him where OBD stood, Peters became a whiny baby. So what if Peters made 6mil total on the first 2 years of the deal. What about the garunteed money he got when he signed it.
I’m a firm believer in……………..The PLAYER signed the contract……………………He had a choice…………….sign it or don’t. Then go get your money when your contract runs out. Don’t sign a 5 yr deal if you feel you will outperform it. He wanted the money so he signed the deal, then he wants to complain he isn’t making enough. Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about guys like Champ Bailey, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. Those guys don’t seem to have a problem honoring there contract! But wait things have changed. Maybe players should always be on a 1 year deal so they can always get the most money. HE HAD A CHOICE NOT TO SIGN THE CONTRACT EXTENSION HE DID.
How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?
by Rudy916 on May 1, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why most people don't discuss salaries openly.
Because it irritates people. But I know if I didn’t show up to work because I was unhappy with what I got paid, I would be fired. It’s impossible to compare the situations.
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If my boss told me that someone who had worked longer for my company, had put more time and effort into the company
Was prirotity one for getting a raise, and that if I kept good faith with them, just like the longer tenured guy, and I too would get paid, what would I do?
I would show up to work everyday, bust my ass, and wait for my turn, because the other guy had EARNED his pay raise, and they were going to do good by me too, the same with the other dude. Peters is a baby, not a man, even though the scale would claim otherwise. This stuff happens all the time in the actual honest to god real world, maybe Peters needs to be fighting with other corporate drones to appreciate what a good thing he had.
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by WABillsfan on May 1, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically, whether you want to hear it or not. If YOU were in the same position as Peters you would have done basically the same thing, admit it.
As far as admitting things goes, what apparently ought to happen is that you admit that you are as selfish as Peters. Not everyone is, so speak for yourself.
by thefourwinds on May 1, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that he had 3 years left on his contract shouldn’t mean anything
That is ridiculous. No player in the NFL, even the superstars of superstars (T.O, Boldin, Peppers, etc) get their contracts redone with 3 years left. And since when is that like anyone’s work? I know at my work, a person with a proven track record of high performance would damn well deserve to get his contract renegotiated before me. how selfish can you be? You have to know your place in this world and Peters clearly didn’t. They tore up his rookie deal and gave him a generous, very generous deal after only playing 8 games at Tackle.
Anyway you slice it, Peters wanted fair market value, waited for it, then got the offer and refused to accept it. Buffalo did the right thing and now we can move on.
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by MARVelous on May 1, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yup – I really don’t see how the Bills brass mishandled the Peters situation. at all really. they set precendence with everyone on the team – wait your turn and you will get what you deserve – and in most cases – MORE.
Peters was the reason the situation unfolded as it did – not OBD. You don’t see this Jason from OH-IO?
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peters/Dockery/Walker
So you guys are saying Peters should not have been unhappy being the third highest paid lineman on the team? You are being ridiculous.
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did they say that? Seems like you’re putting words in their mouth to me…
Ugh. The man plays for another team now. He got an offer and didn’t accept it. Right or wrong, it’s time to move on.
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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian
Point I was making was Peters had every right to be upset with his contract and demand a new one.
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes your are completely right. Which is why the Bills were going to give him a new one. But he couldn’t wait. Face it, he’s Veruca Salt.
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by thatguy34 on May 1, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Week 1 - 2008
He blows out his knee and never returns to the NFL (career ending). Is that a risk he should have accepted? He worked hard to make it where he was, a pro bowl left tackle, OBD should have rewarded at the end of the season with a new contract. OBD did not offer a contract to him, on their own admission, until the end of the 2008 season.
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a risk he should have accepted?
Yes. For a variety of reasons…
1. He plays in the NFL. Contracts aren’t guaranteed. If he wanted a guaranteed contract, he shoulda lost 180 pounds and played in the NBA.
2. If he wanted more money, he shouldn’t have signed the original contract.
3. If we gave him a big raise after 2007, should we have asked for money back after last season bc he played terrible?
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by thatguy34 on May 1, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re preaching to the choir man. Pretty much everyone here thinks he deserved a contract extension; no one is debating that. Your point is made. :)
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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kelsay
3. If we gave him a big raise after 2007, should we have asked for money back after last season bc he played terrible?
We keep paying Kelsay!!!!!!!
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. And we should be asking for his money back too.
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by thatguy34 on May 1, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does this have to do with anything?
You’re in full-fledged rant mode, and it’s hard to keep up. :)
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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Backed into a corner
I am trying to shed some light on the OBD negotiating tactics. I am not a big fan of Peters necessarily, but I would like you guys to put yourselves in his shoes. I am just asking for people to step back and take a fresh view, especially from the comments Brandon made.
I am astonished by how protective people on here are of OBD.
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again…
- We don’t dispute the fact that Peters deserved a new deal. We dispute the way he went about getting one.
- Buffalo offered him that deal. He turned it down. You’re saying that it’s OBD’s fault he wouldn’t sign because they prioritized he and Evans ineffectively. We get your point. We don’t have to agree with it.
Perhaps the most important lesson I have learned in my two-plus years here is that we all have our soap boxes. Mine is Dick Jauron. I think he’s a good coach, and 99% of the fan base disagrees with me. Vehemently. You will learn that making your case once, then ignoring the issue from that point keeps your stress level at sane levels. :)
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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
But one last note, now you are putting words in my mouth:
Buffalo offered him that deal. He turned it down. You’re saying that it’s OBD’s fault he wouldn’t sign because they prioritized he and Evans ineffectively. We get your point. We don’t have to agree with it.
1) OBD DID NOT offer him a deal, that is my point, until the end of 2008, their rationale was they had to deal with Evans. God forbid they negotiate two contracts simultaneously.
2) We do not know what Buffalo’s offer was, period. So to say that he turned down a deal and make him out to be a villain is just unfair.
OK. I will move on… And maybe I just like unpopular opinions. I think Jauron is a good coach, but sometimes the captain has to go down with the ship :-).
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Team VS Individual
Which is more important? You know the answer, I know the answer, we all know the answer. Except for Jason. He was motivated by money, not winning. Let me ask you this Jason, in all honesty, is money more important to you than being great at your career/job (considering you are making average pay for now with a chance to make much more later)?
by NorCal BillsFan on May 1, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all i got
to say is again….find me one NFL player in the last 10-20 years that had 3 years left on a 5 year deal and the organization willingly tore it up, and then gave that player the richest deal in franchise history. There’s fair ways of doing business and then there’s being unrealistic….Peters was completely off his rocker. The Bills gave him and his family financial security with that $15 mill deal….they were willingly to negotiate with him after 2008 and did…they kept their word Peters never met his end of the bargain with his play or with his mouth
Bottom line is this is my soapbox cuz I feel like after 1+ years of following this i completely and fully understand what exactly happened. From Peters feelings when Dock and Walker got signed and made more money, to the Bills and their priorities, to past watermarks in which now NFL player no matter how big of a superstar ever got a new contract with 3 years left on his current deal. It’s really simple. Peters was unrealistic and finally got his wish and his contract and out of Buffalo and now we can finally move on…..SIGH…………..
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by MARVelous on May 1, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My name is "Jason"
Let me put it this way, if my job didn’t pay me… I wouldn’t go to work!
Just be fair to Peters, he was just looking out for his best interests. I don’t think any of us would disagree that he shoudln’t have been the third highest paid OL last year.
I just thought of something else, didn’t OBD renegotiate Butler’s contract mid-season last year, that had to piss Peter’s off even more, considering OBD told him they would deal with his contract next (after Evans).
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Veruca Salt...
“Schnauzeberry! Who’s ever heard of a Schnauzeberry?”
by NorCal BillsFan on May 1, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by thatguy34 on May 1, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contract
Anyway you slice it, Peters wanted fair market value, waited for it, then got the offer and refused to accept it. Buffalo did the right thing and now we can move on.
Tell me EXACTLY the parameters of the Peters contract? YOU CAN NOT! So your statement that he receved a fair market value is speculation, plain and simple.
At your work, if you get a promotion, do you receive a raise? I bet you do, so when Peters was “promoted” from right tackle to left tackle did he deserve a raise? How about when he was selected to the pro bowl, and turned himself into one of the best LT’s in the league? Who cares how many years you have on your contract? I am not sure how that is relevant.
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll tell you
how it is relevant…cuz it’s unheard of in the NFL for a contract with 3 years left on it to be ripped up. The agent’s job is to negotiate a fair contract, and considering the guy had played only 8 games at tackle, was an undrafted FA, and got a 5 yr $15 million dollar deal I’d say was pretty generous from the Bills organization.
Ask any NFL GM, look at the Eagles with Sheldon Brown right now, the Cards and Boldin….you think Boldin deserves a new deal? Yeah, he’s a helluva player but he has 2 more years left…..it just doesn’t happen. Evans was #1 priority then they went to Peters, and sure I don’t know how much exactly but it was over $9 mill a year which is pretty damn fair if you ask me considering this guy screwed us by holding out all of last season. Plus he gave up 11.5 sacks last year and was clearly not a Pro Bowl talent so there’s no way you can say that we are worse off….if Langston Walker gives up only 7 sacks this year it will be a successful move in all regards
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by MARVelous on May 1, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
responses
Sheldon Brown isn’t one of the best players at his position.
Boldin did/does deserve a new contract.
Are you trying to tell me that OBD is incapable of negotiating two contracts (Evens/Peters) at once? I mean that would be A LOT of work.
I want to clarify – You are happier with Langston Walker at LT then Peters?
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
I want to clarify – You are happier with Langston Walker at LT then Peters?
If a guy wants to be that selfish, go somewhere else. Talent isn’t everything. I.e Peters play in 2008 was pathetic. No one is disputing he should have gotten market value, my point is, find me one player in the NFL with 3 years left on his deal that the team tore up their contract and gave them a new one. Find me one and then get back to me
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by MARVelous on May 1, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proof in the pudding
By the way, this discussion is irrelevant. OBD did mishandle the Peters situtation, becasue we are now without one of the best young LT’s in the league, and are not a better football team for it, “no matter which way you slice it”!
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should relax. We’re allowed to disagree with you.
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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course
Isn’t that what bulletin board fodder is for? My point was regardless of the negotiation tactics OBD employed the end result netted the loss of one of our best young players. This is a result-oriented league, and plain and simple OBD did not get positive results. They were not able to retain Peters.
I apologize if my comments were taken the wrong way, I meant no disrespect. Matter-of-fact, I find MARV and yourself two of the more realistic people on here. I think typically I agree 90% of the time. I will disagree on three things though! Langston Walker is NOT a capable left tackle (hope I am actually wrong here), OBD mishandled the Peter’s situation, and the Bill’s should not have drafted CB’s in the 6th AND 7th round! :-), does putting a smile at the end make my comments sound less abrasive?
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, in a “result-oriented league”, who decides the favorable result? If the Bills signed Peters to a $12 million a year contract, that would have been a positive result in your eyes because we kept “one of the best young LT’s in the league” regardless of the cost? What if the Bills gave Peters his contract and then couldn’t afford to sign Evans or had to pass on several FA’s because Peters new contract hindered their spending, what type of result is that? You can’t look at everything so black and white.
(And for an extreme example…bc I like them) – If the Bills win the Super Bowl in 2012, but they win it as the Los Angeles Bills of Anaheim of Orange County in California, that’s still a positive result, right?
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by thatguy34 on May 1, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Result Oriented
Yes, I would consider doing whatever possible to keep Peters a success. I agree, last year he was miserable, but ultimately I beleive he is still a great LT.
As for result oriented… Second-guessing OBD is VERY easy at the current time, when was the last time we made the play-offs?
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I would consider doing whatever possible to keep Peters a success. I agree, last year he was miserable, but ultimately I beleive he is still a great LT.
That’s an interesting way to approach building a team.
1. Find a very good LT
2. Pay him anything he desires
3. Let the rest of your team suffer bc you don’t have any more money.
This isn’t baseball. You can’t have the best player at every position. I would take a team full of average-good players over a team with one great player and a bunch of scrubs any day.
As for result oriented… Second-guessing OBD is VERY easy at the current time, when was the last time we made the play-offs?
I don’t know. I’m not that old. But, you are taking the easy way out. Of course it’s easy to second guess them. And they deserve it. It doesn’t mean they deserve it every time tho. You mentioned above that we didn’t know what the exact parameters of their offer was. So how do you know Peters wasn’t looking for $15 mil a year from the Bills and just accepted a lesser deal in Philly cuz he wanted out?
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by thatguy34 on May 1, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
You got me, we can’t speculate on contract details. We simply don’t know. But in the same rationale, no one can make the comment Peters received a “fair market value” contract from the Bills. We can only discuss (argue) the results.
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buffalo offered at least a 9.5 million dollar deal, and he signed in Philly for 10 million. You don’t quibble about half a million, possibly less, unless you really don’t want to play somewhere.
by NJBillsfan on May 1, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it’s been reported that Buffalo offered 9.75 M per year for 6 years. Thats a difference of 250K. You don’t quibble and throw a hissy fit over a differences of 2.5 M over 6 years. He wanted out.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mind you we offered him a brand new contract at an average of 9.75M per year, which would have made him the highest paid Bill ever. But he wanted to be the highest paid OLineman ever.
The deal he signed with Philly is a 4 year extention, which mean he keeps his present contract at 3.5 M per year for the next 2 years, and then in the 4 extention years he’ll be making an average of 13.75M per year, which will make him the highest paid lineman ever. He got the two things he wanted: out of Buffalo and the highest salery.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Source?
Help me out where is your source of the following information?
Mind you we offered him a brand new contract at an average of 9.75M per year, which would have made him the highest paid Bill ever. But he wanted to be the highest paid OLineman ever.
or
Buffalo offered at least a 9.5 million dollar deal, and he signed in Philly for 10 million. You don’t quibble about half a million, possibly less, unless you really don’t want to play somewhere.
Furthermore when were these offers made?
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the relevant excerpt for you.
"Here’s a player that we brought in as a undrafted free agent, we developed, we signed to an over-market contract," Brandon said. "And the one misnomer in that contract was, he had an escalator clause if he would ever move to left tackle. He was not making bottom money at all. He was paid very handsomely. And we told Jason – I personally told Jason – that we would not renegotiate his contract with three years left on it, because he was not our priority. Lee Evans was our priority. I said, ‘You come back to camp, and once we get Lee done, you become a priority.’ The day that we signed Lee, I had him come to my office, and I said, ‘You are now the priority.’ We worked on that for five or six months, and we offered Jason an enormous contract – the largest contract in Bills history – and he had no interest in it. None. That was right at the conclusion of the season… From our standpoint, history is the greatest predictor. We felt very strongly that Jason was not going to come back to camp, was not going to participate, and we were going to be in the same situation. And we felt as an organization that we should not do that to you the fans, and to our organization. Coach Jauron mentioned the word cohesion on the offensive line It’s the most important part of our operation, the cohesion in that line. And with that type of atmosphere, you don’t have that cohesion.
Quoting Brian:
Lee Evans signed a four-year, $37.5 million deal, if I’m not mistaken. That is the richest contract in Bills history, at just under $9.5 million per.
Considering Lee was signed at the time they were dealing with Jason, the Bills richest contract would be north of that $9.5 million. And of course, he signed in Philly for $10 million.
by NJBillsfan on May 1, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for the actual numbers...
The 9.75M average that OBD offered is speculative. But it was reported on PFT that thats what the Bills offered him before this interview was ever done.
As for the Philly numbers, here it is. Or more to the point:
UPDATE: ESPN is reporting that Peters’ extension is worth $53 million in new money, with a total of $60 million over the next six seasons.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when was the last time we made the play-offs?
We’ve had him since 2004. He’s played since 2006 I believe? I don’t remember the Bills getting to the playoffs with him playing in 06, 07, or 08.
by NJBillsfan on May 1, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:-), does putting a smile at the end make my comments sound less abrasive?
Not really. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sure :-)
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
either
way life isnt fair, it’s over, we hopefully are better for it in the long run, and I’m proud of the way Brandon and company handled the manner in a first class way
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by MARVelous on May 1, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
We will agree to disagree. Let’s both just hope that Demetrius Bell is the next great LT in the league!
"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy
by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OBD may have mishandled the situation, but it also may be that Peters just did not want to play here anymore. And if we kept him, he didn’t play, and we don’t have Eric Wood and Shawn Nelson, then are we a better team? Walker would still be starting at LT, probably Levitre at LG, Hangman at C, Butler at RG, and Kirk Chambers/Demetrius Bell at RT. Sorry, but I think we’re better off getting guys who want to play here, and two guys that can be offensive staples for at least a decade rather than keeping a disgruntled fatzo and getting nothing in return.
by NJBillsfan on May 1, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OBD killed his "want" to play here
By telling him show up and we are not going to offer you a contract.
"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy
by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After they got Lee done with, they did work on the contract. They didn’t offer him a contract earlier because he wasn’t the priority. If you don’t want to play somewhere because you aren’t someone’s priority during the pre- and early season, with three years left on your current contract, you need to straighten out your priorities.
by NJBillsfan on May 1, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So OBD killed his desire to play for the Bills by telling him to honor his current contract and to wait until the next summer when they would resructure it? Thats a lame excuse man.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are we still arguing over this d-bag
Im sorry but i would take Eric Wood and Shawn Nelson any day over someguy who doesnt want to play for our organization. Thats what makes me mad about buffalo not signing Fred Jackson, he said, “iwant to play for this organization.” Its not everyday you get a player who wants to play for your organization and work there butt off for it.
by NCbillsfan12 on May 1, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fred Jackson
I kind of wonder if Peters had the same discussions last year simalar to Jackson, but Peters (and his agent) just kept quiet. I really think Jackson deserves a new contract but maybe OBD has decided that someone else is more importnat than him and they won’t discuss a contract until they are done with Player X’s contract.
"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy
by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually... it's a well-known fact that Peters just didn't talk to anyone at OBD last summer.
He apparently wanted a new contract but instead of negotiating just didn’t report. Jackson is going the opposite route.
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I did hear that, but not from Peters camp, just from OBD. Now we know what was said “Jason, we will not negotiate your contract.” Let’s give Peter’s some respect, he could have brought this to the media’s attention, he chose not to. I think ultimately it would have gained him some sympathy.
"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy
by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i haven’t read the article but based on the excerpt i will say that brandon doesn’t sound too well. i would feel undervalued, and, moreover, unappreciated if my manager told me i was not a priority and then specifically named the guy who was. that’s not cool. russ shouldn’t have gone that far. simply say, look we have other issues/positions that we really need to address. after they’ve been addressed, we can discuss your contract. i believe in players honoring their contracts, but i will sit down with you and talk about your concerns.
by chaucer on May 1, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too man. He’ll flop. I would do that trade everyday, our new guys are nice.
by Dreaded on May 1, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
Trainer Chris Fischetti was on hand to present the team’s Ed Block Courage Award to this year’s recipient, defensive end Chris Kelsay
no comment…
by dzil on May 1, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, the award has nothing to do with your playing ability.
It’s an award to honor those that help abused children and families in crisis in NFL cities.
If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...
by thatguy34 on May 1, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The knock on Kelsay among fans has never been his demeanor. He is perhaps one of the best players on that team, perhaps in the NFL. He just seems to approach playing in the NFL like any other job.
"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on May 1, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was just taking an opportunity to change the subject. The JP deal is painful enough without rehashing it 4ever. I’m guessing some folks here also talk about ex-girlfriends on a first date. please, let Peters go, move on. please.
by dzil on May 1, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to be courageous to show up in the locker room every day knowing every other player on the team despises you for your contract and lack of production!!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
URRGGHHH!!!
You guys got me all worked up and now I will have to stay at work late and start my weekend later. THANKS :-) At least I will be home for the Mets game (which will probably be rained out). At least Sanchez won’t be throwing out the first pitch.
"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy
by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What about:
The Sequelizer
K-Gun Redeux
"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on May 1, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems like deja vous all over again...
I remember when the Bills went to the no-huddle the first time. Despite Jimbo and all the offensive talent he had at his disposal…the Bills at times struggled to move the ball consistently, except seemingly during the 2 minute drills before the half and at the end of the game. I recall that Levy acknowledged this and based upon their experience running it ,and the success of other teams, they decided to try it full-time. Kelly was ecstatic because it put him in control.
It seems that the Bills are considering no-huddle redux for the same reasons, but I don’t see Trent as the take charge guy Kelly was. That’s my biggest fear with the whole thing—does our QB have the big head and corresponding enlarged cojones for the expanded job description. Technology helps as he has Turk in his ear, but the real benefit of the no-huddle is the opportunities that Trent will have to diagnose on his own and choose to exploit.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on May 1, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian’s post basically addressed that issue…
by NorCal BillsFan on May 1, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duh…I actually read so many of the comments that I must of forgot the content of Brian’s post. See what happens when you take the red-eye from SFO.
With that said, however, it is interesting to hear no-huddle and Buffalo in the same sentence. There are things I don’t like about it…and the Bills did kind of stumble upon it the first go around. It also seems a bit gimmicky. Remember our poor defenses in the ’90’s were on the field so much because the offense scored too quickly. I suppose that would be better than the current situation where our defense is on the field so much because the offense sputters so quickly.
I’d like to see the no-huddle’s use expanded as one tool in the arsenal…not the tool.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on May 1, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No huddle vs. hurry up
Big difference. The Colts run a no huddle a lot, and how often does Manning actually take a snap with more than 5 seconds left on the play clock? I’m hoping that’s what the Bills have in mind. Keep the tempo up, allow Edwards to make decisions at the line of scrimmage, etc.
If they try running that breakneck pace “hurry up” like the early 90’s team did, I hate the idea in almost every way.
So, hopefully it’s more like the way the Colts run it than the way the Bills used to do it. Either, it should be kind of nice to finally not to have to blow 4 timeouts per game because they don’t get the play in quick enough.
by Make a play Whitner on May 2, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point…I’ll bet that Jauron is not the “hurry-up” type of guy.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on May 2, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so do I. He’s too methodical and laid back (nice way to say unemotional) for a hurry up offence.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m in the “I’ll believe it when I see it” camp as well. I’m in that for pretty much everything related to the Bills. I can’t let myself get sucked in to believing in all the hype and talk that this team has produced for years now!
I think Trent needs the no huddle so he doesn’t have to think as much out there. That should reduce some of his hesitancy, which was brutal to watch last year. He better be ready to be great this year, because we need it and he needs it. He’s destined for the career backup role if he stinks it up again this year. He could also be in line for a big extension if all goes well this year. Talk about pressure! Trent, you literally hold the future of the franchise and YOUR future in your hands this year, better be ready to have a big year, buddy…
I’m SOOOOOOOOOOO sick of hearing Jauron talk positively about Ellison and how happy he is to have him starting. What a pile of verbal diarrhea! I wish we could have had the opportunity to park him on the bench this year, where he belongs. We don’t need his style of play out there, steady and not very good. What we really need is an impact player, not a guy that you only notice when he’s missing a tackle or getting blocked out of the screen. We already have that manning one of the safety positions. Maybe this Nic Harris guy will amount to something, we sure need it!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 1:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
now don't hold back, tell us what you really think
I wholeheartedly agree about what you said about Trent, Ellison and Whitner. For Trent, career back-up would be a better fate than that his predecessor (go to JP’s official site …very sad). If Leroy Hill somehow made to OBD, we’d be hearing Jauron extol Ellison’s virtues on special teams. It’s a shame the whole Crowell situation played out the way it did. As for Whitner, with the promise of a pass rush and an offense that can score points, he may have a chance to finally resemble what we would expect in a #8 overall pick. I just hope the guy got some remedial geometry lessons in the off-season; this guy can’t find a right angle if he had a protractor glued to his nose.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on May 2, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t buy the idea that Whitner would improve greatly with a better pass rush and an O that can score more. We haven’t even seen signs of him being capable of being more of an impact. He also wasn’t a playmaker in college. It’s tough to imagine him all of a sudden being something he hasn’t been his entire college and pro careers…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That should reduce some of his hesitancy, which was brutal to watch last year.
Agreed, I saw way too many passes to Beast mode and Action Jackson last year. He looked scared to throw it downfeild at times.
Trent, you literally hold the future of the franchise and YOUR future in your hands this year,
No pressure, huh?
We don’t need his style of play out there, steady and not very good. What we really need is an impact player, not a guy that you only notice when he’s missing a tackle or getting blocked out of the screen.
Derek Brooks anyone?
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick Brooks 4-5 years ago maybe, but he’s too old now. His numbers were Ellison-like last year!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think that he’d be an asset. I mean sure his tackle numbers have went down, but he still puts up good INT numbers, which is better then Ellisson. Plus since him and Ellisson are about the same size and speed (ok Brooks is a bit bigger) maybe he could teach Ellisson how to be a better LB in the T2.
I don’t know, just a thought.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Ellison has 2 INT’s total over the past two seasons, 26 games played.
Brooks has 1 INT total over the past two seasons, 32 games played.
That’s not better than Ellison!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOw Brooks has retracted that much? I retract my previous statement then.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He better be ready to be great this year, because we need it and he needs it
THE TIME IS NOW!!!!
- man that never gets old
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on May 2, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take the Ellison talk with a grain of salt...
They obviously were looking to upgrade the position bringing in guys like Peterson and Keiaho, etc. They were looking at drafting a LB high, too. They obvisouly aren’t saying “ellison’s our guy of the future.” He signed a one year tender. But what else is Jauron supposed to say at this point of the offseason? He can’t alienate the staring (by default) LB on this team by throwing him under the bus. Until they bring in someone else Ellison is the starter and you have to say publicly that you back him. That’s just good business. Behind the scenes, it’s obvious that they don’t like Ellison as much as his public comments would suggest.
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by MattRichWarren on May 4, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could care less about what style the offense runs
as long as it works to the best of everyones abilities, which means, quick throws, draws, and deep balls, im game
by NCbillsfan12 on May 4, 2009 2:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I could care less about what style the offense runs
i’ll go even furthur – they could run 99.9% of the time and i’d be happy if it WINS!!
Trent 2009 numbers 0/1 zero picks 3 rushing td’s and playoffs………………
obviously not going to happen – but you catch my drift. just be effective thats all
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on May 5, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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