News and Notes: No-Huddle offense returning to Buffalo?
ESPN.com's Tim Graham reported Thursday night, citing a 'team source', that the Buffalo Bills are on the verge of implementing the no-huddle offense as a significant portion of their base offensive scheme.
Rather than break it down from a personnel standpoint and talk about why it could work, you'd be better served reading Graham's article. I'll say right now, at the outset, that I'm squarely in the 'I'll believe it when I see it' camp - we have heard promising items like this about our offense for the last two years, and in those two years the Bills have sported some of the league's most boring and unproductive offensive attacks. But there is one reason why I'm hopeful that Graham's report is true:
The no-huddle offense demands that Trent Edwards become a more assertive field general.
I'm as big a fan of Trent Edwards as anybody - he has some flaws, sure, but I like the kid because - as I mentioned earlier this morning in our 'State of the Roster' piece on Bills quarterbacks - he genuinely wants to be, and his working his butt off toward becoming, the quarterback that finally, mercifully, ends Buffalo's nine-year-long playoff drought.
But Trent isn't an assertive quarterback. He is hesitant at times with his decision-making, and though he's considered a good leader and a great teammate, he's obviously not the most vocal quarterback you've ever seen. A no-huddle offense would push Edwards closer to the 'alpha male' status that makes great quarterbacks legends, good quarterbacks great, and so on. Those players are leaders. Trent has that same type of quality about him, but after two seasons as a starting quarterback in this league, he's been far more passive than you'd like to see your quarterback be. It's almost as if he's been more concerned about not overstepping his bounds as a team leader than doing all that is necessary to command his offense successfully.
The no-huddle offense would force Edwards' hand - it would mandate he assume more on-field control. He can most certainly handle it from the mental standpoint. He's a smart kid. He can handle making quick calls, overseeing on-the-fly substitutions, and getting his guys lined up and ready to roll. The rest will come with experience, but if this offensive attack gets Trent talking more on the field - 'commanding his troops', so to speak - then the experiment will have been worth it. This season is all about Edwards getting better - without that, the team isn't going anywhere.
We can talk about Buffalo's skill players, its re-tooled offensive line, or the team's offensive coaching staff all we want in relation to the no-huddle (nominations for a new nickname, akin to the 'K-Gun', are welcome). I remain solely focused on Edwards. This offense could make him a more assertive quarterback - and that's the most important thing that can happen this year. This needs to be Trent's team, through and through.
Notes on O-Line, LB, Peters and more from Two Bills Drive
One other article I wanted to turn your attention towards today, folks - Lori Chase, a staff columnist at the excellent Two Bills Drive, attended a private media session with Bills COO/GM Russ Brandon and head coach Dick Jauron on Thursday night and came away with some candid and to-the-point responses from each man. We absolutely suggest that you check out the entire article here - it's a tremendous read. We wanted to highlight a few important quotes here, however, for discussion purposes.
Jauron on Brad Butler moving to RT...
"There’s a really good chance that we will move Brad Butler out. Brad’s a very unselfish player. He may be more suited to tackle than to guard, and he’s a good guard. We’ll just have to see how it all goes with the young players, and Kirk Chambers can play guard, too. We’ve got some other guys we can see at that position. But at this point, I would say that we’re kind of counting on that to happen. We’re kind of counting on Brad to take that spot. We’re counting on Langston to take that left spot, to be the defender, the pass blocker that he is. And then compete inside. That really solidifies us. I think it gives us a cohesive group of guys, tough guys."
Jauron on the situation at SAM linebacker...
"I really like our starting (linebacking) corps, but I’d like to be able to stay healthy for the year. That changed before we played a game last year, when Angelo left on the Thursday before the opening game. Keith did a terrific job filling in all year at that spot. Kawika upgraded us; he’s tough, he’s big. Paul will take another step this year. Paul Posluszny’s a guy who loves football, he’s very smart, and he’ll be even more confident this year. I’ve got a lot of faith in those guys."
And, perhaps the quote that will hijack this entire discussion, Brandon on behind-the-scenes with former OT Jason Peters...
"We told Jason – I personally told Jason – that we would not renegotiate his contract with three years left on it, because he was not our priority. Lee Evans was our priority. I said, ‘You come back to camp, and once we get Lee done, you become a priority.’ The day that we signed Lee, I had him come to my office, and I said, ‘You are now the priority.’ We worked on that for five or six months, and we offered Jason an enormous contract – the largest contract in Bills history – and he had no interest in it. None. That was right at the conclusion of the season."
Be sure to check out the article, linked above, for more in-depth information. This was one of the better pieces of journalism I've read in probably about a year. Terrific article - don't miss it, folks.
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the largest contract in Bills history – and he had no interest in it. None. That was right at the conclusion of the season."
I heard that the jerk store called Peters saying they were out of him so thats why he didn’t sign it.
Sorry – but this just makes me even more mad at Peters – come on dude – wtf
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No offense
But that’s the most depth in one article I’ve seen in a long time, I didn’t want it to end. The quotes made it obviously, but man that was a great read.
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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No-huddle and Peters
The Bills FO is not as dumb as they look sometimes. I whole-heartedly believe that Peters wanted out no matter what contract was put in front of him. I only wish that Wilfork chops his knees out in philly’s first preseason game this year…
The no-huddle offense would be the best thing the Bills have done offensively since, well, the last time they ran the no-huddle. What a simple way to make your quarterback’s job easier and keep the defense on it’s heels. It’s clear that Trent thrives in a more up-tempo attack (4th quarter comebacks early last season anyone?) Not to be repetitive on what Tim Graham said, but everything on our offense falls perfectly into place for this to happen. Multiple pass-catching RBs, smart receivers, a young athletic offensive line with a smart center, several pass-catching options at TE and a QB that’s smart but lacks some confidence at this point.
I’m in the “believe it when I see it mode” as well Brian, but if I do see this happen I will instantly break into a Bills Shout Song celebratory dance.
(Working on my avatar also Brian, not in time for this comment…)
Good point
on Trent and the 4th quarter. One of the biggest thing this team is lacking is a quicker tempo..along with remembering how to win.
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone"
-Marshawn Lynch-
I'm excited about the no huddle
What’s the point to having these smart, quick thinkers around if you don’t use their talents and give them some leeway to choose run or pass on the fly? This really could be great!
Yeah, let's go for it
What do we have to lose? Our offense has stunk the last two years, so try something new to shake it out of its doldrums and give Edwards a great opportunity to be the leader he should be (and has to be, for us to succeed.)
by ccthemovieman on May 1, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Peace!
That just makes me even happier that he is off this team. Even if he playes well for philly this year he wouldent have been that same player for us, it wasent just the money for him. Jason wants a free ride to a good season and he obviosly dident have the faith in this team. So, nice havin ya aboard swine flu, not gunna miss ya.
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thoughts
Quite frankly, I was somewhat stunned when you look at some of the trades that happened in the offseason, with Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel going for a second-rounder and some of the other moves that were made. When that first-rounder came available, along with a few other picks, we felt it was the right move
Good. I think this comment reveals a lot about the fact that the Bills view the Patriots competitively. They saw the Pats racking up draft picks and decided they had to act to keep up. Rather than bank on Peters showing up they shipped his selfish self out of here and got the picks. Good for them.
Geoff Hangartner was 100 percent our No. 1 priority going into free agency at 12:01.
We know the front office loves intelligent, hard working players. A lot of times in the past that has backfired on us (giving large contracts to Kelsay) but when it comes to the center position that means they got the best guy on the market. He’s still young and the combination of a smart QB and a smart center can make your offense dangerous. If OBD viewed him as the #1 priority he’s probably going to be a great line caller.
Here’s a player that we brought in as a undrafted free agent, we developed, we signed to an over-market contract
I think that quote is more revealing than
we offered Jason an enormous contract – the largest contract in Bills history – and he had no interest in it. None
I think the first one shows that the Bills expected Peters to be grateful for our past faith in him and when he wasn’t there was little hope of him staying. I have no doubt they offered him the biggest contract in Bills history but I think his getting shipped out, like getting rid of Crowell, was based on a vendetta mind-set, at least in some sense. Not saying I agree or disagree, just saying.
One thing about Drew Rosenhaus, he hardly ever wears a tie. But he had a tie on that day, and I said, Why are you wearing this tie, he said, because I think we might be doing a press conference
Wow, this is telling. To me, this means that Terrell Owens wanted Buffalo, not because it was his only option but because he’s T.O. and loves to stir things up. He could have gone to a dozen other places for 1 year, 6.5 mil, no question. That contract is a steal. He chose Buffalo for a reason. I’m not saying I know that reason but I’m saying I think T.O. wanted to be here instead of a place like New York (Jets), Tampa, Minnesota, or Chicago. No superstar comes to Buffalo ready to ink, but he did. I seriously wonder if the idea of picking up a deflated franchise, with a hardcore fan-base, and returning it to glory is not intriguing to T.O. He’s a competitor, he loves a challenge, and most of all he loves proving people wrong.
Couple more things:
- Brad Butler could very well be a better RT than he was a guard, and he was a great guard.
- We need to run the ball, our offensive line is so strong in that department
- Make Langston Walker a captain, great guy, has always embraced Buffalo and is the senior man on offense now besides TO and maybe Evans.
- I still can’t get over how much I like our two first round picks. When Maybin speaks two things come across: he’s smart, mature, and humble for a 21 year old and he knows this team already and likes it. When Wood speaks two things come across: he’s tough, mean and confident. I love his response to the questions he keeps getting about the NTs in our division. His facial expression changes, just slightly, whenever hes asked that and you can tell some innate nastiness inside him clicks on. He wants to beat em up.
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by poz on May 1, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Poz on TO – maybe he loved the atmosphere on the Monday night game. I mean if you think about it – we just freaking rule as fans – especially at the stadium (pats fellow fans on the back)
We (as buffalowhiner once said) breathe Bills – maybe he just wanted a fan base that would accept him while bring the franchise back into recognition. I’m not sure that’s right – but could have been a factor in some regard
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah well the signs some of my friends had at that game wouldn't endear TO to Buffalo...
whoopsie.
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
lol – tell your buddies to think long term!!!
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah...
we really knew T.O. was going to be released and sign with BUFFALO!
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha – i know – just messing with ya
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
the atomsphere
was amazing on that night! I still can’t believe how it ended….oh wait, yes I can..
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by poz on May 1, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It was awesome there that night.
Kelsay, Wilson with INT returns… pretty sweet.
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by MattRichWarren on May 4, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Or was it Denney?
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by MattRichWarren on May 4, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
It was Kelsay
he actually made a play!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yeah I remember that. Batted it out of the air, actually caught it, then ran about 15 yards for the TD. Hands down the best play of Kelsey’s career.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 4, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The place went bonkers after that....
nuts
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by MattRichWarren on May 4, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
We (as buffalowhiner once said) breathe Bills – maybe he just wanted a fan base that would accept him while bring the franchise back into recognition. I’m not sure that’s right – but could have been a factor in some regard
If that was a factor in his decision, and he has a good year for us, I say resign him. Turn that 1 year contract into a 3 year contract.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
you for sure as hell cannot argue with the character of the guys we brought in….I mean up and down the board I am just enthralled with the conviction and character of guys like Wood, Maybin, Hangartner, and even dare I say T.O. That article almost made me wet my pants a little it was such good insight. That’s some great stuff.
I wouldn’t start thinking T.O. “wanted” to come to Buffalo. It was clear at his press conference he was as stunned as anyone that he just signed with the Bills. Fact is, the Bills are desperate and WANT to win. T.O. helps us do that. That’s the bottom line…
I’m still worried about the defensive front 7. I think that group desperately needs Chris Ellis to have a significant impact this year. If Ellis can impact that group, our defense could become disruptive with the situational Maybin.
Finally, the OL. You can tell that Brandon/Jauron are grinning ear to ear about their new OL. And how can you blame them. Arguably the most important group on the football team is now full of mean, nasty, intelligent, hard working guys, none of which are making ludicrous money, and I think will be the defining key in getting them to work together as a unit. Last year we thought the season came down to Turk and Trent. You think we said that a lot last year? You’re going to hear that a million times over between now and Sept. This season is entirely up to Trent Edwards and Turk Schonert.
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your right
the difference between the two lines is startling. One is fresh and young, nasty, and tough. The other is aging and pretty beat up. I’ve been quietly chanting Chris Ellis’ name this off-season because we have a lot riding on this guy. We can’t let another third round pick take as long as Youboty has to come around. Ellis needs to start contributing this year. If he can, I like our chances of improving our pass rush.
And you know what, I agree with you on T.O., I like his desire and hard working attitude.
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by poz on May 1, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If TO can keep himself to that work ethic and desire (I know thats a BIG if), then he could be amazing for us. He will definatly be a terrific mentor for Hardy and Johnso.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff
As far as the Bills’ mindset on Peters, you could say they were looking for some gratitude, yes, and they probably thought they could get a small home team discount, but that seems rarer in all sports these days. Peters wanted out, period.
As far as captaincy, that is decided by the players themselves.
seems rarer in all sports these days
Amazing isn’t it? As a nation we keep being told we need to hate the CEOs who are making bonuses and then we go out and cheer our hearts out for a guy like Matt Stafford, who hasn’t worked a day in his life for that 78 million contract he just signed, 42 of which is guaranteed!! I guess they don’t have employees working under them but man oh man, in an economy like this Stafford just gets handed that kind of money? We lost Peters because of a rookie contract last year. They really need to fix this thing. At least the NBA starts rookies off on a lower scale and gives guys more money the longer they’ve been in the league!
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by poz on May 1, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Great points about our draft picks poz.
They make me happy to root for the Bills.
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I like our 2009 team, no doubt about it!
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by poz on May 1, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No superstar comes to Buffalo ready to ink, but he did. I seriously wonder if the idea of picking up a deflated franchise, with a hardcore fan-base, and returning it to glory is not intriguing to T.O. He’s a competitor, he loves a challenge, and most of all he loves proving people wrong.
Thats exactly why I think that if TO has a good year, it may actually be a good idea to resign him. Who know’s, maybe he’ll actually like it here. And if he keeps the same character he had in Dallas, then I actually see him in a Bills jersey for 3 years, not just 1.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
T-gun
E-A (Edwards Assault)
JWBW – JUST WINN BABY WINN
7PP – 7 point plan
The 5 drive
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I like K’s sugestion in another post. The “Stun Gun”
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone in the ESPN comments suggested the “Stun Gun” in honor of Whitner.
If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...
Kurupt brought that up last night, too.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on May 1, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The Popcorn Express
"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker
Most likely can't use that name until game 4.
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The Drive at 5
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on May 1, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't forget - THE EXTERMINATOR FORMATION
For get the == K GUN== IT’S history it will always be remember, IT’S time for the ( E )FORMATION AS EXTERMINATOR FORMATION. Thats right baby we are going to put some insane points in the game this year , THE TIME is now
abayarde’s got us on this one guys
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
abayarde was right on with that
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
Trent - Nelson - Terrell - The TNT formation.....let's blow up some defenses!!!!!
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WOW
I say wow in reference to the Peters quote….and frankly if that is the case, let him be somewhere else. I think it might be like the Titans losing Haynesworth, and while that was through free agency, not trade, it is similar I think because the titans put a big deal on the table, but it wasn’t enough for a guy who just wanted to leave. We got good value from the trade, what could be an all-pro guard, and some depth so whatever….
And I do like LW at left and Butler at right tackle…and let them fight it out in the middle….Langston is a good smart player, and will use his brains, in my opinion, to make up for his lack of athletic ability in terms of comparing him to Peters…I want team guys on the line, not me guys, so here we are. Langston has been a consistent contributor and may have been the best free agent OL we ever brought to Buffalo, but this season will tell the tale.
I am not high on Ellison and never have been, but there might be some surprises from him or elsewhere on the team. We need solid, consistent units, on all three phases, offense, defense, and special teams, and this being Jauron’s fourth year, and alot of his guys, this is his opus, because if the team fails, Jauron will probably not be a head coach again….Go Bills
The Bills CAN win every game
sign Derrick Brooks!!!!
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by poz on May 1, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
OBD Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaase hear our cry! We want Brooks!
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
In regards to Walker, I want the guy to shed 30 pounds before the season
He has good feet for a 330+ man, but I think shedding some of the extra poundage could really help him improve in shadowing the speed rushers he will see.
Also, I think they need to just rotate Maybin and Schobel on him everyday in practice and on every passing down have them just try to beat him to the edge or spin inside so he gets used to what he will see all season long, against some very good to very poor pass rushers.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
I think he’d be a very good, but not great, LT at about 310. So I think your right.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
How about at 340? He’s close to 370 right now isn’t he?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Really? he’s that heavy? I though he was already around 340…. I think he needs to get down at least around 320 to be agile/fast enough to be a good LT… might be asking too much of him though.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s listed at 6’8" 366 lbs and that’s probably being kind.
Peters was 340
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Wow… Ok he needs to lose about 40 pounds then, at least. Lets et this guy some slim fast!
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts...
The richest contract in Bills history is only 7M a year. That was Dockery’s contract. That’s not saying a whole lot from Banrdon’s perspective.
People are going to read too much into the LB comment. Schoop and the Bulldog hate Ellison and they will say that this comment means he was happy with Ellison all along. I think if they could upgrade they would, but why piss off the guy you have starting now by saying “of course we’d like to upgrade over Keith” or something like that when it’s not going to happen.
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The richest contract in Bills history is only 7M a year.
isn’t Lee making over 9 mil a year?
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly… the Bills could have offered the highest contract in team history and still have it be below market for Peters…. that’s just spinning it to make the fans turn on Peters and not the team for trading him.
No, it isn’t. Matt forgot the Lee Evans deal.
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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The richest contract in Bills history is only 7M a year. That was Dockery’s contract. That’s not saying a whole lot from Banrdon’s perspective.
Too far back. Lee Evans signed a four-year, $37.5 million deal, if I’m not mistaken. That is the richest contract in Bills history, at just under $9.5 million per.
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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what
we call “touche” in the business, MRW
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uh huh....
Sorry I was going based off the August 2008 list. Sue me. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
thats what I thought – so you figure at minimum its 9.5 when in reality its probably closer to 10+ million
I’m pretty sure they put an offer that was more than respectable
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We don’t know that Brandon is talking about $/year do we? I assume when he says richest he means $49 million.
Well that’s not accurate either. Schobel signed a seven-year, $50 million deal about five months after the ink had dried on Dockery’s deal.
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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the help.
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by MattRichWarren on May 1, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Whi probably makes the reports that OBD offered Peters 9.75 per year accurate.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ellison
Jauron commented on Ellison in a roundabout way in his post-draft presser which I then commented on in my phenomenal fanpost earlier this week DJ said
when the whole thing works together when the offense scores more points there’s not as much pressure on say the run defense there’s more pressure on the pass defense.
Ellison is clearly a better pass defender then in the run game. More leads for the Bills, equates to team’s trailing more, so thus they have to throw the ball more, which in Jauron’s eyes plays to the strength of his secondary and now hopefully our pass rush as well as guys like Ellison who are better playing in space than shedding blockers. The whole damn off-season makes so much sense I need to calm myself down before I get my hopes up too much!
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I think Ellison is more suited to be on the weak side then the strong side. Watch him switch sides if Mitchell goes down with injury.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see a no-huddle offense here in b-flo
I just cant see Jauron running one. He’s about as exciting and spontaneous as plate tectonics.
thats an earth shaking revelation Chip
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by norcaliangelsfan on May 1, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
dude – don’t be dissing on plate tectonics – that stuff is cool
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
and i would like to add – what do you think the krakatoans think about “exciting and spontaneous” – geez :)
but back to reality – I think DJ will do whatever he thinks will win him football games – thats pretty much the bottom line at this point. Even if its not his forte – he NEEDS to win – if that means getting out of his comfort zone then thats what it means.
plus with the signing of TO – i think we’re seeing a little bit of that side from DJ
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by J2 on May 1, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Peters/Dockery
I was listening to an interview of Joe D on WGR. The subject of the Bills draft and Peters/Dockery came up. Joe D said that the Bills got some good O Lineman in the draft and they should work out good. He also said that trading Peters was a great move by the Bills, he said that Peters and Dockery were Over Sized and Over Rated
Peters
We told Jason – I personally told Jason – that we would not renegotiate his contract with three years left on it, because he was not our priority. Lee Evans was our priority. I said, ‘You come back to camp, and once we get Lee done, you become a priority.’
I don’t know about you, but it PISSES me off when people at my work tell me I am not a priority! Furthermore, it would infuriate me if they told me employee A was more of a priority then me. This is how I thought the contract negotiation went. Peter asked for a new contract. They basically said NO and we will not renegotiate a fair market contract with you. The fact that he had 3 years left on his contract shouldn’t mean anything. Peters could have had a career ending injury week one and never been able to recoup that value. In football, more than any other professional sport you have to get while the getting is good. The short career span and the fact that many contracts have little guaranteed money, make this a priority.
Basically, whether you want to hear it or not. If YOU were in the same position as Peters you would have done basically the same thing, admit it. Again, people are speculating as to what the “Largest” offer in Bills history was. We don’t know exactly the parameters. I think he deserved to receive the largest contract, he was our only pro bowl player, again, whether you like it or not. I think their is a little insight into the fact tha Brandon did not make the comment comparing the Bill’s contract to the one Peters ultimately received.
Basically I still feel that OBD mishandled Peters and ultimately severly hurt our football team.
"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy
by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
The fact that he had 3 years left on his contract shouldn’t mean anything
That is ridiculous. No player in the NFL, even the superstars of superstars (T.O, Boldin, Peppers, etc) get their contracts redone with 3 years left. And since when is that like anyone’s work? I know at my work, a person with a proven track record of high performance would damn well deserve to get his contract renegotiated before me. how selfish can you be? You have to know your place in this world and Peters clearly didn’t. They tore up his rookie deal and gave him a generous, very generous deal after only playing 8 games at Tackle.
Anyway you slice it, Peters wanted fair market value, waited for it, then got the offer and refused to accept it. Buffalo did the right thing and now we can move on.
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
yup – I really don’t see how the Bills brass mishandled the Peters situation. at all really. they set precendence with everyone on the team – wait your turn and you will get what you deserve – and in most cases – MORE.
Peters was the reason the situation unfolded as it did – not OBD. You don’t see this Jason from OH-IO?
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on May 1, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Peters/Dockery/Walker
So you guys are saying Peters should not have been unhappy being the third highest paid lineman on the team? You are being ridiculous.
"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy
by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Contract
Anyway you slice it, Peters wanted fair market value, waited for it, then got the offer and refused to accept it. Buffalo did the right thing and now we can move on.
Tell me EXACTLY the parameters of the Peters contract? YOU CAN NOT! So your statement that he receved a fair market value is speculation, plain and simple.
At your work, if you get a promotion, do you receive a raise? I bet you do, so when Peters was “promoted” from right tackle to left tackle did he deserve a raise? How about when he was selected to the pro bowl, and turned himself into one of the best LT’s in the league? Who cares how many years you have on your contract? I am not sure how that is relevant.
"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy
by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Proof in the pudding
By the way, this discussion is irrelevant. OBD did mishandle the Peters situtation, becasue we are now without one of the best young LT’s in the league, and are not a better football team for it, “no matter which way you slice it”!
"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy
by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
Why are we still arguing over this d-bag
Im sorry but i would take Eric Wood and Shawn Nelson any day over someguy who doesnt want to play for our organization. Thats what makes me mad about buffalo not signing Fred Jackson, he said, “iwant to play for this organization.” Its not everyday you get a player who wants to play for your organization and work there butt off for it.
Fred Jackson
I kind of wonder if Peters had the same discussions last year simalar to Jackson, but Peters (and his agent) just kept quiet. I really think Jackson deserves a new contract but maybe OBD has decided that someone else is more importnat than him and they won’t discuss a contract until they are done with Player X’s contract.
"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy
by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
what?
Trainer Chris Fischetti was on hand to present the team’s Ed Block Courage Award to this year’s recipient, defensive end Chris Kelsay
no comment…
The knock on Kelsay among fans has never been his demeanor. He is perhaps one of the best players on that team, perhaps in the NFL. He just seems to approach playing in the NFL like any other job.
"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on May 1, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to be courageous to show up in the locker room every day knowing every other player on the team despises you for your contract and lack of production!!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
URRGGHHH!!!
You guys got me all worked up and now I will have to stay at work late and start my weekend later. THANKS :-) At least I will be home for the Mets game (which will probably be rained out). At least Sanchez won’t be throwing out the first pitch.
"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy
by Jason from OH-IO on May 1, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
What about:
The Sequelizer
K-Gun Redeux
"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on May 1, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
It seems like deja vous all over again...
I remember when the Bills went to the no-huddle the first time. Despite Jimbo and all the offensive talent he had at his disposal…the Bills at times struggled to move the ball consistently, except seemingly during the 2 minute drills before the half and at the end of the game. I recall that Levy acknowledged this and based upon their experience running it ,and the success of other teams, they decided to try it full-time. Kelly was ecstatic because it put him in control.
It seems that the Bills are considering no-huddle redux for the same reasons, but I don’t see Trent as the take charge guy Kelly was. That’s my biggest fear with the whole thing—does our QB have the big head and corresponding enlarged cojones for the expanded job description. Technology helps as he has Turk in his ear, but the real benefit of the no-huddle is the opportunities that Trent will have to diagnose on his own and choose to exploit.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Brian’s post basically addressed that issue…
by NorCal BillsFan on May 1, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Duh…I actually read so many of the comments that I must of forgot the content of Brian’s post. See what happens when you take the red-eye from SFO.
With that said, however, it is interesting to hear no-huddle and Buffalo in the same sentence. There are things I don’t like about it…and the Bills did kind of stumble upon it the first go around. It also seems a bit gimmicky. Remember our poor defenses in the ’90’s were on the field so much because the offense scored too quickly. I suppose that would be better than the current situation where our defense is on the field so much because the offense sputters so quickly.
I’d like to see the no-huddle’s use expanded as one tool in the arsenal…not the tool.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
No huddle vs. hurry up
Big difference. The Colts run a no huddle a lot, and how often does Manning actually take a snap with more than 5 seconds left on the play clock? I’m hoping that’s what the Bills have in mind. Keep the tempo up, allow Edwards to make decisions at the line of scrimmage, etc.
If they try running that breakneck pace “hurry up” like the early 90’s team did, I hate the idea in almost every way.
So, hopefully it’s more like the way the Colts run it than the way the Bills used to do it. Either, it should be kind of nice to finally not to have to blow 4 timeouts per game because they don’t get the play in quick enough.
by Make a play Whitner on May 2, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point…I’ll bet that Jauron is not the “hurry-up” type of guy.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
so do I. He’s too methodical and laid back (nice way to say unemotional) for a hurry up offence.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m in the “I’ll believe it when I see it” camp as well. I’m in that for pretty much everything related to the Bills. I can’t let myself get sucked in to believing in all the hype and talk that this team has produced for years now!
I think Trent needs the no huddle so he doesn’t have to think as much out there. That should reduce some of his hesitancy, which was brutal to watch last year. He better be ready to be great this year, because we need it and he needs it. He’s destined for the career backup role if he stinks it up again this year. He could also be in line for a big extension if all goes well this year. Talk about pressure! Trent, you literally hold the future of the franchise and YOUR future in your hands this year, better be ready to have a big year, buddy…
I’m SOOOOOOOOOOO sick of hearing Jauron talk positively about Ellison and how happy he is to have him starting. What a pile of verbal diarrhea! I wish we could have had the opportunity to park him on the bench this year, where he belongs. We don’t need his style of play out there, steady and not very good. What we really need is an impact player, not a guy that you only notice when he’s missing a tackle or getting blocked out of the screen. We already have that manning one of the safety positions. Maybe this Nic Harris guy will amount to something, we sure need it!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
now don't hold back, tell us what you really think
I wholeheartedly agree about what you said about Trent, Ellison and Whitner. For Trent, career back-up would be a better fate than that his predecessor (go to JP’s official site …very sad). If Leroy Hill somehow made to OBD, we’d be hearing Jauron extol Ellison’s virtues on special teams. It’s a shame the whole Crowell situation played out the way it did. As for Whitner, with the promise of a pass rush and an offense that can score points, he may have a chance to finally resemble what we would expect in a #8 overall pick. I just hope the guy got some remedial geometry lessons in the off-season; this guy can’t find a right angle if he had a protractor glued to his nose.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
I don’t buy the idea that Whitner would improve greatly with a better pass rush and an O that can score more. We haven’t even seen signs of him being capable of being more of an impact. He also wasn’t a playmaker in college. It’s tough to imagine him all of a sudden being something he hasn’t been his entire college and pro careers…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
That should reduce some of his hesitancy, which was brutal to watch last year.
Agreed, I saw way too many passes to Beast mode and Action Jackson last year. He looked scared to throw it downfeild at times.
Trent, you literally hold the future of the franchise and YOUR future in your hands this year,
No pressure, huh?
We don’t need his style of play out there, steady and not very good. What we really need is an impact player, not a guy that you only notice when he’s missing a tackle or getting blocked out of the screen.
Derek Brooks anyone?
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Derrick Brooks 4-5 years ago maybe, but he’s too old now. His numbers were Ellison-like last year!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I still think that he’d be an asset. I mean sure his tackle numbers have went down, but he still puts up good INT numbers, which is better then Ellisson. Plus since him and Ellisson are about the same size and speed (ok Brooks is a bit bigger) maybe he could teach Ellisson how to be a better LB in the T2.
I don’t know, just a thought.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Ellison has 2 INT’s total over the past two seasons, 26 games played.
Brooks has 1 INT total over the past two seasons, 32 games played.
That’s not better than Ellison!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
WOw Brooks has retracted that much? I retract my previous statement then.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He better be ready to be great this year, because we need it and he needs it
THE TIME IS NOW!!!!
- man that never gets old
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on May 2, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Take the Ellison talk with a grain of salt...
They obviously were looking to upgrade the position bringing in guys like Peterson and Keiaho, etc. They were looking at drafting a LB high, too. They obvisouly aren’t saying “ellison’s our guy of the future.” He signed a one year tender. But what else is Jauron supposed to say at this point of the offseason? He can’t alienate the staring (by default) LB on this team by throwing him under the bus. Until they bring in someone else Ellison is the starter and you have to say publicly that you back him. That’s just good business. Behind the scenes, it’s obvious that they don’t like Ellison as much as his public comments would suggest.
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by MattRichWarren on May 4, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I could care less about what style the offense runs
as long as it works to the best of everyones abilities, which means, quick throws, draws, and deep balls, im game
I could care less about what style the offense runs
i’ll go even furthur – they could run 99.9% of the time and i’d be happy if it WINS!!
Trent 2009 numbers 0/1 zero picks 3 rushing td’s and playoffs………………
obviously not going to happen – but you catch my drift. just be effective thats all
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on May 5, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

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