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Photos from Day One of Bills Rookie Minicamp

For the uninitiated, hover your mouse over the picture of Buffalo's two rookie guards, Andy Levitre (No. 67) and Eric Wood (No. 70).  A "Browse More Photos" option will appear.  Click it to view all of the AP's photos from day one of Buffalo Bills rookie minicamp - this is your first look at Buffalo's rookies in their new colors!

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Dang, Nelson is a tall dude, he makes Coiner look like a midget

Fewell also seems to have some issues with getting the play card up high enough for the D to read, maybe he should get a step stool for that….

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on May 1, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Face Masks

Looks like most of the face masks are a new design…. not bad.

by S2 on May 1, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Helmets look new too. I don't remember seeing the vents in them before.

"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker

by Joe P. on May 1, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Those are some of the newer anti-concussion helmets being put out by the manufacturer's

I like the fact that BOTH of our new Guards are wearing them, they must plan on smacking heads alot with other guys over the upcoming season!

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on May 1, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anti-concussion helmets?

I’ve heard them discussed over the past couple of years. Does anyone know how they work? After all, concussions in football don’t happen because of the head bashing the inside of the helmet but rather because of the brain slamming against the inside of the skull. When a body is moving, say, 20 mph in one direction and comes to an immediate halt (or is sent the other direction via a particularly violent collision) the brain keeps moving at 20 mph until it is stopped by the inside of the skull. How are the new helmets going to stop that?

by Ron From NM on May 1, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they work with a new type of platic and two different layers (and types) of padding that help absorb and spread out the hit. Very simular to the types of helmets that are getting popular in the NHL… like the one Lindros wore when he was with the Leafs and Stars.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, but how does that deal with the basic problem of the brain hitting the inside of the skull? I can see that new materials might deflect or absorb a blow better than older helmets but it seems that’s more contact related than collision. I’ve read that NASCAR has cut down on concussions by basically clamping the helmet to the seat, though I’m not sure why that helps either.

The league was allegedly all over concussions a year or two ago but have been mum since. At the time I kind of figured there was no way to solve the problem without really watering down the game.

Are NHL concussions due to collisions (checking) or impacts with the ice? Noggins don’t care for bouncing off of hard surfaces, which a helmet certainly can help…

by Ron From NM on May 1, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

True the materials in the helmets help to prevent concussions in hockey a lot more then in football. I’m honestly not sure how tey work, but I read that they are simular to the hockey ones. Not sure if they’ll be effective or not though.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure Trent will appreciate any improvement, no matter how minor….

by Ron From NM on May 1, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stop reading my mind man, it’s freaky!

by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a physics/chemistry major

Force = mass x acceleration and so the helmets are designed with differing densities in the padding so that they slow the rate of negative acceleration of the head, thus decreasing the force that the brain smacks into the skull. Also the actual helmets are made out of newer polymers which allow a greater flex to the helmets without sacrificing rigid strength and not allowing them to crack.

by ballinbills1315 on May 1, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

the racing helmets are using multiple layers of varying density materials. the idea is to provide more controlled de-celeration of the skull. improving football helmet safety should be easy when compared to a 200 m.p.h. race car (or 300+ in the case of top fuel/funny cars).

by dzil on May 1, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’d think so but it’s not like a football player’s helmet can be attached to something (car seat) to help with that decceleration.

by Ron From NM on May 1, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK let me try and explain how the helmets work

Just so you dont think i’m full of it, I have a BS in Mechanical Engineering.

The Helmets, as I know of, are designed kind of like car bumpers. The helmet aborbs the impact with out actually the head impacting the helmet.
Think of the padding as a “crumple zone”. It absorbs the impact with the padding and not the head. Therefore the helmet actually works a limited number of times. Another good example is the water or sand filled drums used on Highway baracads. The drums absorb the force of the impact and take most of the damage while your car doesnt become an accordion.

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on May 1, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the help. So the padding allows for decceleration time?

by Ron From NM on May 1, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think thats the basic idea. But because of force of power and damage involved in proffesional football, I would think that helmets are changed every 1 or 2 games… probably every game.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m glad everyone has a better understanding……… I dont know the exact specifics, but I will see what I can find and post the info.

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on May 1, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks man, that’d be awsome.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

to add to my previous post

acceleration is dx/dt or for non calc people the change in distance with respect to time. Basically the helmets allow for a greater amount of time for the head to accelerate in the negative direction, or slow down (deceleration is basically made up) which reduces the force and therefore the potential damage that occurs

by ballinbills1315 on May 1, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

dx/dt....

I know what that means, but I think your being to “mathmatic” in trying to explain how it works. I believe the helmets are actually designed not to cushion the blow (this is the current helmet design), but to actually, to have the padding act as a “crumple zone”. I’m going to put up a fan post for this subject. It seems to be gathering some interest.

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on May 2, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

The current generation of anti-concussion helmets has had a significant decrease in numbers of concussions seen in HS football

NY State, NJ and several others have mandated them for HS football and per the article noted below by UPMC and exceprt quoted here, they saw over three year of just this initial study: “The annual concussion rate was 5.4 percent annual percent rate in athletes wearing the Revolution helmet, compared to a 7.6 annual percent rate in athletes wearing standard helmets, representing a 2.3 percent decreased absolute risk of concussion for high school football players. In terms of relative risk, Revolution wearers were 31 percent less likely to sustain a concussion compared to athletes who wore standard football helmets.” I highlighted the numbers for those disinclined to read the whole thing.

Now, those may seem like small numbers, but when you have states like NY where thousands of kids play football in grades 7-12, those numbers make a huge impact in the rate and severity of concussions. Also, another thing to factor into the situation is that currently there are MORE people on the look out for concussions from coaches, to doctors to family members, and with the use of the Revo and other brands versions of it, any reduction seen in concussions is a good thing.

For info on how said helmets work, please check this Wired article here and here is what Riddell has to say about their Revo helmets and last but not least here is an actual study conducted by UPMC (University of Pittsburgh Medical Center) that shows a significant decrease in concussions between users using a Revo vs. standard helmets, read it here

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on May 2, 2009 4:55 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

nice post....rec'd

"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker

by Joe P. on May 2, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Justin Tuck

wore that helmet all year last season

by The Buffalonian on May 1, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Its almost

too much face mask. I play lacrosse and ive noticed, there starting to get more like lacrosse helmets

by NCbillsfan12 on May 1, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, the bottom curved facemasks are becoming more and more popular with lineman to keep other fat guys hands off their necks

Its generally not an intentional thing to stick your hand into a dude throat while playing but if you can avoid it happening, you take it. The funny part about Levitre and Wood’s facemasks, is that I’ve seen even more complex ones….

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on May 2, 2009 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always liked Chris Canty’s facemask. I don’t think there’s any way an OL could get their hands into his face:

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow Nelson is BIG

And to think that he should easily be able to add another 20 to that frame. He will be SCARY when he finishes the transition to the NFL. I’m loving this kid more and more.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

How long until Maybin wrests 59 away from LB Pat Thomas?

Can DEs wear numbers in the 50s? I know DT Dwayne Robertson wore 64 for the Jets… If DEs can wear numbers in the 50s will OBD take 59 away from Thomas a la Owens-Hardy or will Maybin have to pay for it?

by Ron From NM on May 1, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

DE’s can wear 50’s, 70’s and 90’s.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 1, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I literally laughed out loud when I read that, hilarious.

by NJBillsfan on May 1, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope so

Can’t wait to get my Kelsay throwback in a few years

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

John Abraham wears 55, so it can be done….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 2, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

amen

Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009

by norcaliangelsfan on May 1, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is good to see someone other than Duke Preston, period!!!

"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker

by Joe P. on May 1, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way to one-up me, Joe.

The only thing I can think of to try to top you would be to say that it’s would be great to see Preston wearing 67 as he was being mauled by Stroud/Williams/Jauron’s 6 year old niece/McCargo in a game against the Bills.

by Ron From NM on May 1, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only situation I can think of that it would be great to see Preston

is if the ship I was on struck an iceberg and I needed something to float on :-)

"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker

by Joe P. on May 1, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

And something to live off of if your out there a looooooong time

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on May 2, 2009 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahem… I think you mean Melvin Fowler. Duke was 75. :)

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by Brian Galliford on May 1, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

D'oh

It’s been a long week….

by Ron From NM on May 1, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

that pic of jauron in the group with hands in made me think he was praying......

“Dear Lord/God (whatever) please please let these young men help me keep my job”

Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009

by norcaliangelsfan on May 1, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

This is kind of a big question but...

Watching the Mark Sanchez Video on his first day, why dont we run an up tempo practice like that durring minicamp?

by NCbillsfan12 on May 1, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Didn’t Buffalo do some of that last year?

by Ron From NM on May 1, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The helmets on the picture are far too polished and pretty

They’ll look much better with a bunch of scrapes and dents…maybe one of Wilfork’s teeth embedded in the crown…

by Ron From NM on May 2, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL

That would look nice. And then they could mount that helmet as a trophy after we beat the Pats on opening day.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 2, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t get too far ahead of yourself now. :)

by NJBillsfan on May 2, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great use of the AP photos Brian.

Sweet!

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by MattRichWarren on May 5, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

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