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What do you think Rumblers? Do you want the Bills to sign him and is he a good fit in their D?

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by Toronto? on May 11, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I think I could get behind a signing like this.

Pisa Tinoisamoa’s career stats: here

For comparison, Keith Ellison’s career stats: here

He has had some injury problems, but was healthy all of last season. For the right deal this could be a real boon for the Bills D.

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by sireric on May 11, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

In case you don’t have the subscription — Not very highly ranked by Scouts, Inc., but certainly has very good stats (is ranked 72nd; Ellison is graded a 57).

2008 Scouting Report – Scouts Inc.
Grade: 66 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: He plays with very good lateral quickness and can change directions quickly. He has speed to the sideline with burst to close. He lacks overall strength to play stout, but can be aggressive on entry into blocks. He will stay stuck too long at times and lose ground working to escape. He still enters into some lead block contact with his shoulder first. He has good balance, but will get bounced. He is quick enough to sidestep or elude contact on his path to the ball. He has range and can close quickly from the backside to make plays. He usually provides good wrap on tackles and has some pop to him when he squares up. In coverage, he has good awareness. He’ll stay on the field when the Rams go to nickel personnel. He is aggressive with his reads and will bite occasionally on play-action. He moves well in space, changes direction quickly and can recover from false steps. His overall reactions are adequate. He can close quickly after making reads. He is a productive player with good speed and range, when healthy.

by labill on May 11, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is simple sign him, then cut ellison and sign Jackson long term

A banner day in Buffalo it will be. Harris will be the back up and he will learn the correct way to play LB behind some great starters. If we did want to go to a 3-4 it could be done.

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by Deadpool71 on May 11, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Why would you cut Ellison though? He’s still probably our best backup then. It’s not like he’s costly or useless on ST’s.

And no, we can’t go to a 3-4.

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by Kurupt on May 12, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Ellisson is a fantastic backup, problem is we had heim starting. As for the 3-4, it looks like a good idea on paper, but thats about where it ends. If anything we should drop the T2 and transition to a more traditional 4-3… but we don’t have the right players for that either.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 12, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 3-4 thing depends on what we’re talking about. Suddenly switching for this season would be disastrous, but I think the roster is set up for a pretty smooth transition if Buffalo were to decide to switch next offseason. If a new coaching staff comes in and Buffalo makes one solid signing and adds some depth during free agency and goes defense with one of the first two picks than Buffalo could go with a 3-4 next year.

by kaisertown on May 12, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh agreed. A transition to th 3-4 would be easy, a sudden move would be desasterous. That why I think Green Bay’s D will be bad this year. And I have been supporting the Occasional 3-4 play for a reason, because I think that if it’s situational (like the way Baltimore uses the 4-3 situationally) then it might be sucessfull. But it is deffinatly not to be used as a deffencive cornerstone.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 12, 2009 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

In what world

are the Bills’ current LBers well-suited to play in a 3-4?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 12, 2009 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mitchell and Puz on the inside. Maybin an Schobel on the outside. Of the 4, the only one that isn’t well suited for his role is Schobel.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 12, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's not about having the lb'ers it's about having the 3 d-lineman who can take up two blockers, and play those roles..

i could see doing some type of hybrid d everyone once in awhile to get maybin standing up and in an angle.. but he would have to learn coverages, it just wouldn’t make any sense to go into a full blown 34 this late in the off season and change a scheme that we’ve been trying to get these guys accustomed to over the past 3-4 years.. we just about have this defense where we want it and now everyone is talking 34.. that would be a step back not forward

by Shovel51 on May 12, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did I ever call for a full blown change to a 3-4? I don’t think so. What I’m thinking would be a good possibility is a situational 3-4 in obvious passing downs, kind of like how the Ravens run a 4-3 in obvious run downs. A full blown change to a 3-4 D would be desaterous for us as we have in no way the players to run that scheme permanantly.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 12, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

so basically stand maybin up on passing downs once in awhile and keep our other personnell on the field..

i’d have no probelm doing that.. i hope we use maybin in different ways so that we can utilize his skill set and make teams account for him when he is in there.. i think it is something that might probably be done on passing situations on 2nd down more so than 3rd.. just because knowing our staff they will want to be in a nickel or dime package on 3rd and long.. but i could see it possibly on 3rd and 5 or something like that.. a short passing down i think it would be a geat idea.. now will it happen probbaly not.. that is one thing that bothers me, we don’t open things up on defense enough.. we need to try new things,, give defenses new looks.. i mean how hard would it be to simply move maybin out stand him up and tell him to get after the qb, along w/ the other 3 downlineman, and every one else play your normal coverages.. i mean you wouldn’t have to change the defensive scheme to do that.. it would just give them a different alinement

by Shovel51 on May 12, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you want him to do a good job or great?
i mean how hard would it be to simply move maybin out stand him up and tell him to get after the qb, along w/ the other 3 downlineman, and every one else play your normal coverages..

It would be simple for everybody except the greenest guy on the team, Maybin. He needs to be given one job, rush the passer, to be good at. Don’t stand him up then put his hand on the ground. He knows how to rush the passer with his hand on the ground.

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by MattRichWarren on May 12, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know and i'm saying that is the only way i would incorporate any type of a 34 in our defense..

he rushed the qb from a 2 point and 3 point stance in college.. i’m fine w/ him keeping his hand on ground actually i would prefer it.. but if we need to move him around a little bit, and if that means standing him to utilize his skill set best, and get him in space, and twist and stunt w/ him in this fashion then i’m all for that too.. i agree the best route is to keep it simple stupid.. i think he could handle simply rushing the passer from a 2 or a 3 personally becuase he did it at psu..

by Shovel51 on May 12, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do you think the roster is set up for a smooth transition? I see maybe 3 or 4 players that would be fits in a 3-4 along the front 7….we need a lot more than that.

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by Kurupt on May 12, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

A one million dollar back-up like Keith Ellison is a great price.

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by MattRichWarren on May 12, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i have to disagree w/ cutting ellison.. especially when this guy does have some history of being injured.

if ellison is the starter ok fine, but he’s a pretty good guy to have as a back-up and does give us depth and is a good special teamer.. the only thing is if we were to sign tino i just hope that it wouldn’t bump harris off the roster because i think he could be a really good football player for us.

by Shovel51 on May 12, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would bump Corto or Costanzo.

Maybe Pat Thomas. Not Nic Harris.

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by MattRichWarren on May 12, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d think the most likely guy to be cut is Pat Thomas. I mean we signed him to the vet min (i think) and he has no experience on our team. Ellisson would be a great backup option, Corto and Costanzo are solid on special teams and Harris is our developmental LB. Thomas seems like the odd man out.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 12, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

We don't know Thomas's contract.

I would imagine it’s around $1M. It’s only a one year contract so there would probably not be a cap hit as it was all salary and no bonus.

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by MattRichWarren on May 12, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Therefore not only making him the odd man out but also the easiest contract to release.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 12, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine Corto or Costanzo's contracts are prohibitive either.

None of them probably have any bonus money. It will be on scheme, who is better in training camp, and who Bobby April likes the most.

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by MattRichWarren on May 13, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

It will be on scheme, who is better in training camp, and who Bobby April likes the most.

And once again I imagine that Thomas is the odd man out simply because of the other two’s expirience on the team.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 14, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s good to see they are active to improve the roster……

This would be a good fit, and may not need to break the bank for him. This would improve our LB core as a whole.

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on May 11, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Can you say "London Fletcher"

The last time the Rams let go a top LB and the Bills picked him up, it turned out pretty good don’t you all think!

I’ll take this guy in a heart beat!

by dabillsr1 on May 11, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

That was my first thought when I saw that

by Hybrid1486 on May 12, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they do end up signing him, this would be very Lawyer Milloy right? I hope he can give this team the same type of edge Lawyer did

by louiethegent on May 11, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

No, not at all....

Tinoisamoa is only 27 and plenty productive. Milloy was about to turn 30, signed right before the season and had seen a drop in production.

~K
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by Kurupt on May 12, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

But

He gave this team a spark that helped us kill the Pats in week 1. Also he had just won a Super Bowl with them, they signed Rodney Harrison then dumped Lawyer because of his contract, but it also probably had something to do with his play on the field

by louiethegent on May 12, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was also released by the Pats a week earlier.

It’s not like we are playing the Rams in a week.

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by MattRichWarren on May 12, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sign him if, and ONLY if...

his playing weight is 240 lbs and not the 220 that is reported in the St. Louis Dispatch. 6’1 220 is the same size as Bowen, although Pisa would bring proven experience. I have full confidence that we will only bring him in if the price is right. He has had 2 of the past 3 season filled with injuries, but like I said, for the right price.

by hilliarddavid on May 11, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Tinoisamoa would provide a nice upgrade from Ellison, but that would be a limited upgrade if we’re only getting a 220-225 lb LB. Ellison really struggles because he can’t take on blockers due to his size. I’m not sure Tinoisamoa would be able to handle blockers any better at this weight. It seems pretty obvious that he’s only around 225 again since the Rams cut him as they wanted bigger LB’s.

If he were able to get back up to around 235 lbs, I think this would be a great signing. It is unlikely to be a costly signing either, with his injury concerns.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 12, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take players

not bodyweights

dude got 135 tackles…and we are talking about whether we want him or not?

we need a linebacker like him who is mobile to compliment poz and mitchell who are not really good in coverage IMO

by tiimbitz4786 on May 12, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with both you and K. He would perfectly complement Poz and Mitchell. That being said, he also does need to add at least 10 to 15 pounds otherwise he wont be all that great on the strong side. We have to remember that he was a WILL not a SAM. He needs to add some weight to be as impactufull as a SAM.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 12, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had 104 tackles for a terrible defense. I’m not sure if that’s good or bad. I do know that adding a 220 lb LB probably isn’t going to do much to help our run defense. I’m not saying he couldn’t succeed here at that weight, but I’d prefer a guy who can take on a blocker and not get overpowered. I do agree that if he is good in coverage, he would make a nice complement.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 12, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just as a question...

How many teams we go against use fullbacks?

The Jets did last year with Neal. Who else?

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by MattRichWarren on May 12, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lorenzo Neal played for the Ravens last year. The Jets’ fullback was Tony Richardson.

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by Brian Galliford on May 12, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha.

There goes Matt again. They used a fullback. Who else does that we play this year? Most teams have phased it out.

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by MattRichWarren on May 12, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Miami, New England, Jacksonville, Houston, Tennessee, KC, Cleveland, New Orleans, Atlanta, Tampa Bay and Carolina all use a FB, so every team we play this year does….

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by Kurupt on May 12, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

good info.

I keep hearing stuff about FBs being faded out… what gives?

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by MattRichWarren on May 12, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well they probably aren’t used as much as in years past, nor are they really useful in the passing game, but it seems the majority of teams still employ a FB or two….

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by Kurupt on May 12, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we signed him...

we would have Ellison, DiGorgio, Bowen, Thomas, Harris, Buggs, Hall, Corto and Castanzo. How many of these guys are we going to keep on the roster? I think you have to keep Ellison DiGorgio, Bowen and Harris. I am thinking that we will end up keeping one or two of the remaining guys on this list. We will not keep more than 9 LBs, especially with the abundance of WRs and Safeties on our roster.

by hilliarddavid on May 12, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like that he led in tackles

But, I have never seen him play and the Rams were pretty crappy so Im not sure at all. If he doesn’t cost that much, I think it would be an upgrade.

But is he faster than Ellison? Anyone have a detailed opinion of him?

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by killascript on May 12, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

from what I've seen

and I’m basing this entirely on what it looks like on the television, Pisa is plenty fast enough to cover and do what he has to in our defense. I think he could very well be faster than Ellison, though I have no tangible evidence to support that claim other than he plays fast when I’ve watched him.

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by poz on May 12, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's plenty quick enough

It was tough to find his combine numbers, but hopefully these are it:

40 time: 4.65 (4.56 electronic)
10 yard split: 1.48
20 yard split: 2.63
20 yard shuttle: 4.07
3 cone drill: 6.95

As a comparison from that year, Anquan Boldin’s numbers:
40 time: 4.70
10 yard split: 1.62
20 yard split: 2.68
20 yard shuttle: 4.25
3 cone drill: 7.35

Ellison ran a 4.84 and had a 3 cone of 7.22, for comparison purposes…..

~K
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by Kurupt on May 12, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’ve never seen him play. i dont remember him from the bills vs rams game last year either. his stats were good last year—of course, that’s not always an accurate reflection of the player’s skills. he was on an awful team. hey bring him in if they think he’s good.

by chaucer on May 12, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had nine tackles against us I think.

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by MattRichWarren on May 12, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

With this

And from what I’ve read everywhere else on here over this half-a-day, I’d say he is definitely worth a signing. But how much? Would you think to sign him for as much as Mitchell K? I know we over paid a bit for Kawika, but would you say giving this guy a 3 year, 11-15 mil dollar contract with 7-9 mil guaranteed?

He was healthy all year last year, and is still 27 and in his prime. I would enjoy a signing here

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by killascript on May 12, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is way higher than he will get at this point of the offseason.

He will be looking 3M a year in the eye, if that.

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by MattRichWarren on May 12, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really don’t think we overpaid for Mitchell. He’s making just over $3M per season, which is very reasonable.

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by Kurupt on May 12, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay 3 mil

Thought it was more, and have read others thoughts that we overpaid for him…but 3 mil for a solid vet LB is very reasonable.

So if we pay Pisa 3 mil a year, I’d be happy…I can also see Poz getting an extension this offseason after solid play, if that happens, but it will be to a similarly modest payday

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by killascript on May 12, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Mitchell’s deal was 5 years $17.5M.

His remaining salaries are:

2009: $1.5 million
2010: $2.7 million
2011-2012: $2.75 million

Very reasonable. He also only had a $3.5M signing bonus, so if the team were to want to cut him, it wouldn’t hurt the cap all the much.

~K
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by Kurupt on May 12, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats actually super cheap

Parrish is more isn’t he

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by killascript on May 13, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

this year, yes, next year, no.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 13, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sign him without a doubt!

Pisa has always been a solid player, if a bit fragile. He hits bigger than his size, hes smart, and he plays with a ton of heart. My old roommate was from St. Louis so I watched a bunch of Rams games and I can tell you that this guy was always his favorite player on the team up until he was released. Pisa plays tough. He will fit in well here. He’s in his prime. Sign him and KEEP Ellison. The only knock i have on Pisa is he gets hurt, at least recently, so we need good backups.

Pisa is a better option than Freddie K, Cato June or Derrick Brooks were. Do it.

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by poz on May 12, 2009 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

FANTASTIC!!!!!!!

I’m not sure how well he would transition to SAM LB, but adding adding a 100+ tackler and playmaker to our team is always a good thing.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 12, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

long awaited return...

it’s been a few weeks, but it appears I get to come back to some good news. I like the possibility that Pisa offers. I second K’s and others comments about his size, hopefully he can play around 235. Though, even if he comes in between 220-225, he’d still be an upgrade over Ellison. Here’s hoping for the best!

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by jri111 on May 12, 2009 12:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I like the possibility that Pisa offers.

Jeremy White @ WGR kept calling him “Pino” this morning. Drove me nuts.

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by Brian Galliford on May 12, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he’s really an old Italian man, which would explain why he was cut at this time.

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by Kurupt on May 12, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome back.

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by MattRichWarren on May 12, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

seriously

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by MattRichWarren on May 12, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

turnovers

i think it’s interesting that tinoisamoa seems to have some good numbers in the big-play department. he’s played 84 games, and he’s got 16 turnovers forced, ten sacks, and 25 passes defended. that’s a turnover or big play on the QB once every four games, not bad for a LB of any caliber. ray lewis, long considered the definition of an excellent LB, has a combined 74 big plays in 178 games, or around one every 3 games. lewis averages a PD every other game, tinoisamoa’s average is around one every 3.4 games.

8 of pisa’s turnovers – fully half – came in his first year of seven, however, which is worth noting.

in comparison (i threw in some names of guys that came in this offseason):

pisa: 84 games, 7 INT, 9 FF, 25 PD, 10 sacks
ellison: 42 games, 2 INT, 0 FF, 9 PD, 2 sacks
poz: 19 games, 1 INT, 1 FF, 6 PD, 0 sacks (our LBs blitz a LOT, too)
mitchell: 91 games, 6 INT, 5 FF, 23 PD, 12 sacks
crowell: 65 games, 5 INT, 4 FF, 17 PD, 7 sacks
keiaho: 39 games, 1 INT, 2 FF, 1 PD, .5 sacks
june: 88 games, 12 INT, 3 FF, 24 PD, 1 sack (obviously a coverage lb)
peterson: 135 games, 15 INT, 6 FF, 40 PD, 19.5 sacks
pisa’s stats extrapolated to 135 games (like peterson): 135 games, 12 INT, 15 FF, 41 PD, 16 sacks (quite comparable, all told).

just some food for thought. past performance isn’t a guarantee of anything, as we all know (see: aaron schobel, derrick dockery, jason peters), but it IS something to think about. as we’ve seen with players like whitner, not everyone has big-play ability in them. a player can be a strong contributor for a long time without making a huge impact, but i really think that i’d prefer a player that doesn’t have the measurables of someone else but can make the plays (see: jairus byrd, hopefully).

also note that ellison’s numbers in this department (not tackling, obviously) are very close to poz’s future numbers if you extrapolate his out.

by the_prophet on May 12, 2009 1:50 AM EDT reply actions  

That's the key for me

is his ability to make plays and create turnovers. I want a defender who is always looking to take the ball away. like you were taught from little league up, the first guy wrap up and the next guy(s) go for the ball.
I also like the fact that he is a 3 down lb, which would be big for our defense. it would add another playmaker on passing downs.
I’m not as concerned with the weight issue given his aggressiveness and quickness. He just needs to stay healthy and it appears he produces.

by gatornation on May 12, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did anybody actually read the article?

Tinoisamoa is a Weak side Linebacker. Graham is suggesting that Mitchell is our SLB and that Tinoisamoa would be coming in to replace Ellison at WLB… Has there been a change that I am not aware of?

I would love to see Mitchel switch from weak side to strong side with Ellison. I found that Ellison was much better at the weakside and I think Mitchel has the size to play the strong side properly.

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by keysh67 on May 12, 2009 7:37 AM EDT reply actions  

But for the record

I like for them to sign Tinoisamoa, I think he is slightly superior to Ellison on the weakside. For those comparing numbers, it’s hard to compare stats of a 4-3 WLB vs 4-3 SLB.

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by keysh67 on May 12, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

You bring up a good point

I believe Pisa is a better cover lb, with an ability to better stay with TE’s than Mitchell. the negative is when a team runs the ball on the strong side and he has to take on a TE or tackle instead of pursuing.

by gatornation on May 12, 2009 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

keysh67

good catch

I thought I was hallucinating

Ellison lined up over the TE all last year

by freddyjj on May 12, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about another position shuffle?

Like Pisa as he is a true playmaker but have one concern. He plays at 220-225 per Graham’s article.

And we already have a WLB in Kawika. Coverage is not Mitchell’s strongsuit, so not sure he can move to SAM.

So it comes down to this. Do Bills feel Pisa can play SAM at his size or will they switch positions in LB core.

IMHO, make Mitchell MLB, POZ SAM and Pisa WIL. Heck we’re doing it on the Oline.

by freddyjj on May 12, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

We argued thgis to death a few months ago

I really doubt that Poz is moving anywhere. This is the year he proves his value to the team long term so I kinda agree that he must stay at MLB. Besides, I doubt that Mitchel could do a better job than Poz. I do however agree that Poz would be great at SLB but I don’t think that’s in the cards.

I know that Brian has repeatedly said that Mitchell won’t be switched to the strong side but somehow I see a glimmer of hope. I firmly believe that Mitchell would better fit at SLB than the weak side. He has the right size not to get pushed around on the LOS and he really good at blitzing so I could see him run blitzing all day long!! Then we could have better playmakers on the weakside like Tinoisamoa/Ellison

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by keysh67 on May 12, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think there might be some confusion on the roles of the LB position

Hey keysh67 how’s it going.

When I broke the story of Tinoisamoa getting released I had the same thoughts that you did about how Mitchell as our biggest LB should be moved to strongside. Brian Galliford straightend me out when he wrote this reply.

" common misconception is the responsibilities of SAM and WILL in Buffalo’s scheme. Cato June, in his visit here, basically admitted that the Bills do things backwards – Kawika Mitchell, our WILL in name, is really playing traditional SAM responsibilities. At least that’s how I interpreted his words."-Brian Galliford

kaisertown also clarified things with this reply.
“To further that, Mitchell typically covers the gap between the OT and OG while the SAM linebacker usually handles the gap to the outside of the TE. So the SAM LB gets run at more often than the WILL does, but as far as the necessary size and strength are concerned, the roles are reversed.” -kaisertown

It makes sense, most teams run at the left side (weakside) that was supposed to be the big deal when we had Dockery that he and Peters would open up huge holes for Marshawn Lynch. The strongside you’re getting run at by a Tight End, so coverage needs to be better than strength. This is how i understood it.

Stupid ODB and their crazy reverse language. Just thought i’d throw that out their.

by MichiganBillsFan84 on May 12, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

You read the article correctly

Bills Def actually is different then most. I realized this when we signed Mitchell last year. The bills “Will or weakside” linebacker actually has responsibilities more similar to the Strongside LB role. And Vice versa for the Sam LB. So the way Graham describes the roles is correct, but the players “titles” are wrong.

Basically think of it this way, In the Bills Def scheme, the “Will LB” is the SAM and the “Sam” is the will.

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on May 12, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

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