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State of the Bills Roster: Defensive Tackle


DT Stroud will carry the burden inside in '09 (photo source)

Now that the 2009 NFL Draft is in the books and off-season player acquisition will crawl at a snail's pace, Buffalo Rumblings has begun re-examining the Buffalo Bills' revamped roster. We continue off our 'State of the Roster' series this morning with a look at the safety position. Previous installments: QB, RB, TE, OT, DE, S.

During the 2008 season, the Buffalo Bills defense made an overall statistical jump from being one of the league's worst units in 2007 (ranked No. 31 overall) to a respectable middle-of-the-pack unit (No. 14 overall).  This rise is generally attributed to two factors: the Bills' luck in drawing a schedule with several weak offenses, and the addition of DT Marcus Stroud.

Cast away in Jacksonville, the Bills traded for Stroud in March of 2008; Stroud would become the centerpiece addition of Buffalo's entire off-season.  Though he did not put up gaudy statistics last season (45 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 7 batted passes), he was perhaps the only Bills defender that opposing offenses had to concentrate on last season.  With a brand new four-year, $28 million contract extension in hand, Stroud remains the cornerstone of Buffalo's defense.  Whether he'll have enough help on the inside in 2009, however, remains a key question entering the season.

STARTER: Marcus Stroud
He's clearly the best defensive lineman on the team, capable of occupying multiple blockers in the running game and knifing into the backfield for quarterback pressures against the pass.  Stroud had a stretch or two of games last year in which he was not as effective as he could have been; this was most noticeable in games against the team's AFC East rivals.  He also dealt with a shoulder injury during the mid portions of the season.  Stroud needs to stay healthy; as long as he does that, Buffalo's most valuable defender will be fine.

STARTER: Kyle Williams
Williams may be the Marv Levy/Russ Brandon and Dick Jauron regime's best draft pick to date; the former fifth-round pick has helped off-set the bust factor of draft classmate John McCargo, and in three seasons as a starter, Williams has racked up 149 tackles and four sacks.  He's never going to be a player that defenses have to game-plan for, but he complements Stroud well in that he chases plays effectively, is stout against the run, and is an exemplary teammate.  You won't hear many complaints about this kid - he's just a good, solid football player.

Spencer Johnson
For whatever reason, Johnson developed a negative reputation during his first season with the Bills.  As a situational defensive tackle, Johnson was pretty productive last season, picking up 31 tackles and two sacks spelling Stroud and Williams inside and even moonlighting at defensive end on rare occasions.  He is only 27 years old and just entering his prime; if the Bills can play with more leads this season, Johnson's athleticism should be put to better use.

John McCargo
If McCargo deserves credit for anything, it's his ability to keep his head down and continue to work.  The 2006 first-round pick failed to make an impact through his first three seasons, then was traded last year to Indianapolis - only to fail a physical and get shipped back to Buffalo.  Through it all - and let's be honest, that had to have been an embarrassing situation for the player as well as the organization - McCargo has kept his mouth shut, and by all accounts, he's been in Orchard Park this off-season working alongside his teammates.  He deserves credit for that.  But it might be time to throw in the towel with this kid in terms of our once-lofty expectations - he looks like nothing more than a spot contributor at this point in his career.

Corey Mace
He has stuck around for two seasons as a practice squad player called up to the active roster due to injury late in the season.  Barring injury, the Toronto native is a longshot to make the roster.

Marcus Smith
Smith was signed to the Bills' practice squad during the 2008 season.  He, like Mace, faces an uphill climb to make the roster.

David Lindquist, John Faletoese, Ventrell Jenkins
I won't pretend to know much about these three undrafted free agents.  So I won't say anything more than this: they're longshots to make anything other than the practice squad.

Contract situations: With Stroud's new deal in hand, the only significant player with a contract running out any time soon is McCargo, whose rookie deal expires after the 2010 season.  Stroud, Williams and Johnson are all under contract for the next four seasons.

Bottom Line
It was pretty apparent that the Bills weren't going to do much at this season - they've got one guy that they're paying to be their top tackle (Stroud), and two more scrappy vets they're paying to complement their centerpiece (Williams, Johnson).  They've even still got a quasi project in McCargo.  Still, this area - just like any other position on a football team - is in constant need of attention, which in part explains the recent tryout of Wendell Bryant.  It was a bit surprising that the Bills didn't look for a project to work into the rotation; perhaps the club views Lindquist, Faletoese and/or Jenkins in that light.  This position is set depth-wise - but it'd be nice to see the team add another significant piece here next off-season.  Stroud isn't getting any younger.

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nice analysis...

basically as you said i think the key to our defense is marcus stroud, and w/o him our defense is in trouble, so as long as he can stay healthy i think our defense should only improve on last year’s numbers.

also i’ve been hearing a lot about how mcargo has refocused himself, and has been at the facility all through the off season working his tail off… i hope the hard work pays off, and he can really contribute this year… i don’t know what it is about him that got him so little playing time last year… two years ago i thought almost every time he was in the game he was making a play, or at least showing flashes by shooting into the backfield on many occassions.. we need him to step up.. because this is one area of our team we can’t afford to have any injuries, and if someone like stroud goes down, mcargo will have to shine…

if he’s able to come on strong this year and next, does anyone think that obd would resign mcargo or do you think he’s ruined any chances of that based on his last years of performance? personally if he’s able to help this team over the next 2 years i don’t see anyreason not to bring him back, dt’s are not easy to find and if he can be what we all want and expect him to be, i think we must resign him.. it’s too early to tell at this point

by Shovel51 on May 13, 2009 8:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bills seemed to try to re-sign Crowell, so I think if they think McCargo can help they’ll try to re-sign him.

by Pistol on May 13, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Seemed” is the right word there. In reality, they did not try to re-sign Crowell.

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by Brian Galliford on May 13, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Solid group

Like to see McCargo get in the wing, but that might be too hopeful

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on May 13, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Stroud OR Williams gets hurt the run defense will regress to the 2007 version (I believe 30th in the NFL) unless McCargo improves substantially or the Bills find a run stuffing 4th DT when cuts are made. If they get a 4th DT who is just a big run stuffing DT then your backup DT’s (Johnson and the 4th DT) would both having unique abilities to fill in on certain formations in case of an injury.

I would like to see McCargo suceed but I will belive that when I see it.

by Berg79 on May 13, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Run D was 22nd in 2008 at 121.6 ypg
Run D was 25th in 2007 at 124.6 ypg

There’s no difference there, so Stroud’s addition wasn’t as meaningful for our run D as you assume!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 13, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

our Run D wasn’t great, but we also trailed nearly every game in the 4th quarter, and our defense was always on the field for more than half the game due to our inept offense, so I wouldn’t read too much into those numbers. This season is all about our offense. if they actually pull their weight, our defense will drastically improve just based on situations…..Id like to see more of a DT rotation to keep these guys fresh

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by MARVelous on May 13, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We actually had greater than 30 mins on average time of possession for the year. Although true in years past, we held the ball at least half of every game on average.

by syrbillsfan on May 13, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats because we couldn’t score – well not the only reason. but definately part of the reason we were on the field longer

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by J2 on May 13, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But how is that different from 2007, or 2006, or 2005 or you get the picture???

I agree this season will come down to how the O performs, but the D really needs to show some improvement as well.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 14, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting stats. I thought they were worse. I thought I remebered us being 30th in a major statistical defensive category in 07 (maybe total yards?). Maybe I am thinking back to ’06. I suppose I need to look it up. Either way, I worry we will see our D-line get pushed around in bad weather games like they did against Cleveland 2 years ago in the snow.

by Berg79 on May 13, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2007 Bills were 31st in Total yards per game. I for one actually think the run D improved substantially from 07 to 08 even though the stats show only a 3 yard improvement because we did not have to play as much 8 in the box.

by Berg79 on May 13, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really like Kyle Williams.

He’s not spectacular but he made some nice plays last year in the backfield.

Spencer Johnson developed a bad rap simply because he is overpaid. He produced fine for a third rotational DT but when his contract is virtually the same as Kawika Mitchell’s, five years for $17.5M, you expect great things. The guy made $3.5M last year in salary and bonuses. That’s over $100k per tackles.

Maybe Dockery would have been acceptable at a lower price tag and so would Spencer Johnson. He is scheduled to make $1M in base salary this year and his cap hit is right around $3.5M again. It shoots up in 2010 to $3M in base salary for the rest of his contract.

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by MattRichWarren on May 13, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Johnson will make more than one mil though. That is just his base salary. Like you said, he made 3.5 mil last year. At one mil this year and 3 mil in 2010-2012, that only puts his contract at 13.5 mil. So there’s another 4 mil in bonuses somewhere in that contract. My guess is that he makes another 3.5 mil or so this season.

by kaisertown on May 13, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wendell Bryant

Did Bryant actually go into OBD? I heard the rumors of him ‘potentially’ going in for a tryout a week or so ago, but I don’t recall hearing that he actually did…….

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by Pocono Bob on May 13, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reports are he had a tryout.

Bang it here for more info.

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by MattRichWarren on May 13, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember now

but I’m wondering if OBD is ‘serious’ about a potential signing of Bryant. I say, give him a shot. A second chance. We have nothing to lose by bringing him in for camp. If he pans out – great! If not, well, they simply cut him.

I’m also very curious about McCargo now. I know he was in the dog house there for awhile but w/ new coaching, and from what I’ve been hearing about his off-season workouts, a new attitude, maybe he’ll work out just fine for us. I thought I saw some pretty good performances from him towards the end of the ‘07 season & was hoping for more in ’08, but we all know now how that turned out. I’m hoping he “gets it” now & contributes more so.

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by Pocono Bob on May 13, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this will be a make or break year for McCargo

I had a Sporting News NFL preview from last off season that labeled McCargo as the Bills breakout player based on his first full season stats

McCargo 2007 29 Total Tackles 2.5 Sacks 4 Passes Defended and 1 Forced Fumble

Not rookie of the year but look at Haloti Ngata’s first year stats (the first DT taken in 2006)
Ngata 2006 31 Tackles 1 Sack 2 Passes Defended and 1 INT

Ngata has gone on to be a beast. Just makes me wonder, if McCargo’s attitude, desire, and playing time will improve with a different defensive line coach who’s not Bill Kollar.

by MichiganBillsFan84 on May 13, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To my eye DT is a much greater position of need than OLB (though I will be very happy if we sign Pisa). Stroud has helped, but he would be even more effective if he was paired with a true wide-bodied DT of the Pat Williams variety who could help collapse the pocket (something Kyle Williams simply can’t do). And if Stroud is injured it is going to have a huge impact on our entire defense.

In all likelihood this is not something that can be addressed until next offseason — although if McCargo improves significantly it would help a lot. Perhaps Shaun Rogers can be pried away (so far as I know he remains unhappy). Otherwise this needs to be a top priority in next’s year’s draft or FA.

by Macktruck on May 13, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think top priority is a little strong.

Spencer Johnson is a quality back up. If Stroud goes down we wouldn’t be in dire straits with WIlliams and Johnson. What remains to be seen is McCargo’s contribution. 3 of those guys are signed long term. We have a need for a guy who can be a long term starter and short term depth player. Not exactly high priority to me but something that will be addressed if McCargo doesn’t sell the coaching staff.

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by MattRichWarren on May 13, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. The fact is that we did go out and get a top DT player — Stroud last year (imagine our DT situation without that trade!). The money that we spent on DL in the past few years (what does the salaries of Schobel, Kelsey, Stroud, Johnson, Maybin (this year) add up to, anyway) doesn’t make me cringe as much as the draft picks we spent on them — my recollection: Schobel (early 2nd), Kelsey (early 2nd), Denney (2nd and 4th to move up?), Maybin (1st), McCargo (was it early 2nd and 3rd?), Anderson (because he can wrestle coach K -3rd?). That’s a lot of 1st , 2nd and early picks in the past few years.

by labill on May 13, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think that nothing — not even ten Aaron Maybins - could improve the pass rush quicker than a 330lb DT who can really push back the pocket and allow the DE’s and blitzing OLB’s to do their work. And the Bills were #22 in the league lst year against the run, even with Stroud. Getting a Shaun Rogers (or the equivalent) to add to Stroud would be the most significant move the team could possibly make in improving the defense - why, it might even turn Donte Whitner into a great playmaker..

by Macktruck on May 13, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea why the system erased my text so I'll try again:

I still think that nothing — not even ten Aaron Maybins — could improve the pass rush quicker than a 330 lb. DT who can really push back the pocket and allow the DE’s and blitzing OLB’s to do their work. And the Bills were #22 in the league last year against the run, even with Stroud. Getting a Shaun Rogers (or the equivalent) to add to Stroud would be the most significant move the team could possibly make in improving the defense in my view — why, it might even turn Donte Whitner into a great playmaker.

by Macktruck on May 13, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

awsome

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by thurman on May 14, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome

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by thurman on May 14, 2009 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and at the same time, Stroud and co. were much of the best part of the Bills I watched last year. The performance at the DT/nose tackle position was excellent.

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by thurman on May 14, 2009 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have a good DT, a solid DT and two rotational guys, one of whom has shown flashes of ability before

I think McCargo will come on this year, I think the almost trade to get him to a new a place and a fresh start really surprised him and will create a big push for him mentally to “get it” at the NFL level full time. I also think with Kollar gone he will have more chances to shine as well, the only question there is, will he?

I think a 4th DT may be needed next offseason if McCargo craps out, if he doesn’t we should keep him for rotational purposes.

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by WABillsfan on May 13, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not bad

For the shadow of Jason Taylor.

by syrbillsfan on May 13, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a solid unit, but not great. Stroud was a great player, now he’s simply a pretty good player. I was kind of disappointed with his play last year, but that was mostly due to his excellent start to the season. He really disappeared after that first game. Hopefully, he picks it up this year and returns to near dominance. I just don’t think it’s likely (just like I don’t think Schobel ever returns to a double digit sacker).

Kyle Williams is a good, underappreciated player. He’s been our best DT for a while now.

Spencer Johnson does nothing for me. His contract indicates he should be a better player than he is. Sure, he’s a decent depth guy, but he isn’t a player that can’t be replaced. Oh well, at least we know what he can give us.

McCargo might be good, but we can hardly count on him. I like what I’ve been hearing, but he needs to prove it on the field. Hope he does it.

I think we should look for a DT early in next year’s draft. It’s a deep and talented class, and I think we’ll need an upgrade at the position….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 14, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bring it, K

in the ’08 DT/run stopping was a huge strength for the Bills D, right? The most frustrating thing about being a fan of the NFL is rooting for a team that gets RUN OVER. That is not the Bills. Thank you Marcus and Kyle and Spencer.

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by thurman on May 14, 2009 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.
in the ’08 DT/run stopping was a huge strength for the Bills D, right?

Unless you count being in the bottom third in the league in rushing yards allowed and yards per attempt allowed. I wouldn’t call that a strength.

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A huge strength??

HAHAHA, not even close.

A strength? Nope

A good duo? Yes

I’d like to see some tangible improvement out of our run D. That’d be nice.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 14, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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