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Exploring The Bills Offensive Line 2009

In a busy offseason for the Bills, perhaps the position that underwent the biggest overhaul was the offensive line. 

At the beginning of the offseason a position that was generally thought to be "upgraded" was Center. With Duke Preston and Melvin Fowler being dominated inside by the powerful nose-tackles of the AFC East, Buffalo began immediately pursuing a center. They found one in Geoff Hangartner, a FA from Carolina that had performed well in a backup role there.

Then came the release of Derrick Dockery who the organization may have viewed as being too expensive and not productive enough. The Lions reportedly offered a 7th round pick for him, but front office paperwork was not There was a bit of controversy surrounding his release. Buffalobills.com lead journalist Chris Brown explains:

"Detroit came in very late, right before the deadline to release players under contract, expressing interest in Dockery. By the time the two teams agreed on terms there was not enough time to submit the paperwork to the league on the deal (by fax). A 7th round pick was what Buffalo would have gotten in return. A shame? Yes. Catastrophic? No."

Dockery was released and finally signed with the Washington Redskins to a large contract.

Then the bombshell trade happened. Pro Bowler Jason Peters to Philadelphia for a 1st, and a 4th round pick in the 2009 draft and 6th round pick in the 2010 draft.

In the aftermath of these two major events Buffalo's entire left side of the line was up in the air. And Bills fans fresh off their jubilation over the signing of Terrell Owens, all of a sudden became quite worried about Bills line without its guard, and pro bowl left tackle. A line that had surrendered 38 sacks last year.

The new question was how would Buffalo react in the draft? They needed a tackle, a guard, a tight end, a pass rusher, and a ball hawking safety, and although they had extra draft picks did they have enough to find the talent they needed at those positions?

Well the jury is still out but first signs look very good. Buffalo decided to go an unexpected route and go without drafting a tackle which perplexed experts and fans alike. But the more the draft was analysed the better it looked, with both ESPN draft pundits Todd McShay and Mel Kiper Jr. praising the draft in general as one of the best drafts of any team.

The two lineman the Buffalo drafted were Eric Wood in the first round and Andy Levitre in the second.

Wood, a hard working center from Louisville, is the model of durability having started 49 consecutive games and is known for his mean streak and physical strength. There were rumors about the Patriots wanting Wood's services before they traded down. Regardless, Eric Wood's ruggedness and intelligence appear to be a perfect fit for the new Bills line and the front office who want to bring about a major attitude change for next season.

Levitre, out of Oregon State, is another strong, bulky, smart, and experienced athlete who like Wood, plays with what is described as a nasty demeanor. A natural team leader, one of the few knocks on him is his speed.

Bills Journalist Chris Brown had a good take on the consensus opinion of these lineman: "Guardedly Optimistic"

And so here is who factors to be Buffalo's current starting line:

LT: Langston Walker
Walker is currently the highest paid lineman for the bills and figures to play a vital role as their new left tackle. The position isn't completely new to Walker who played it in Peter's stead last year. Though a talented and solid player and a great pass protector, Walker will face big challenges against powerful, speedy, and relentless pass rushers. At 366 no one can question Walker's strength, but does he have the speed and durability to protect QB Trent Edwards long term?

LG Andy Levitre
Praised for his run blocking abilities and toughness, Levitre seems to be a lock for this position(EDIT: or after further discussion perhaps NOT a lock!). He is a rookie but one with leadership skills, experience, and all the right tools to pose problems to opponents. He and Eric Wood both have so many similarities and it will be interesting to see if both play on the same line and which one will figure to be the more dominant of the two.

C Geoff Hangartner
Carolina's loss may have been Buffalo's gain. Hangartner shined when he played in 2008, and at 26, has tons of upside. An extremely smart player who faces big challenges in the form of the big and fearsome nose-tackles of the AFC East.

RG Eric Wood
Eric Wood will have to adjust to play guard after primarily playing center in college (he played guard in the Senior Bowl). However he possesses all of the qualities you want in the position. He can endure tons of punishment and is built like a tank, however he is still a rookie and need to develop rapport with the rest of the line. Fortunately, he loves studying film and should be able to win and adjust to a starting guard spot quickly.

RT: Brad Butler
Yet another player who plays with meanness, Butler's most natural position has been right tackle which is the same position he played in college at Virginia. Although durability is always concern, one can almost picture Butler and Wood fighting side by side and really creating havoc. Butler is the type of player who may be underestimated by defenders.

Then there are the "X" factors:

Demetrius Bell
Bell, the son of Karl Malone was drafted out of Northwestern State by Buffalo in the 7th round, as a project player. Last Year, Bell spent the 2008 season adding bulk, becoming stronger and learning about more about the position. Bell has amazing upside but little experience. Buffalo has extremely high expectations for this player and perhaps may even see him as a successor to Jason Peters. (Hopefully he won't be a successor to Jason Peters in terms of ego!)

Joel Bell
An undrafted free agent out of Furman, Joel Bell like Demetrius Bell (no relation) has incredible potential. He has all the right tools, but hasn't played against major talent. It would be a dream for Bills fans to turn another undrafted and a 7th round players into major fixtures of the line, but for right now Joel Bell figures to be a lock for the practice squad.

Kirk Chambers
Chambers is a backup, but a worthy one who is capable of surprisingly good performance. Against Seattle in 2008, he filled in admirably at left tackle, and surprised many by how well he manned the position. Whenever someone goes down in Buffalo's line this important player does the dirty work and fills in for them without much drop off. As such he is an X factor that many teams don't take into account.

Now what faces Buffalo is a race against time. Buffalo's revamped and reinvigorated offensive line must gel quickly. They must unite, they must fight for each other and the team, and they must protect young Trent Edwards, on whose shoulders rests the hopes, dreams, and ultimately fate of the team.

 

UPDATE: Apparently there was another addition I forgot to mention: Seth McKinney (thanks BigBadBillsFan). To be honest I don't know alot about him other than he played for Cleveland, and figures to be a backup to either of the guards or Hangartner. I'll type up more as I find out more.

Poll
Who figures to be the most important piece to Buffalo's projected starting line?
Langston Walker
104 votes
Andy Levitre
5 votes
Geoff Hangartner
69 votes
Eric Wood
16 votes
Brad Butler
7 votes

201 votes | Poll has closed

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You forgot to mention our other free agent pick up Seth McKinney.

by BigBadBillsFan on May 13, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good catch

McKinney is our backup G/C and is a much tougher and experienced player (and hopefully smarter) player than the man he replaced – Duke “Dukes up” Preston!

by freddyjj on May 13, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be honest I didn’t know very much about him. I didn’t write about Levi Jones because Buffalo seems a little lukewarm on him.

by pasaluki on May 13, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you are going to quote Chris Brown like that I’m sure he’d appreciate a link.

McKinney started 3 games for the Browns last year, 8 the year before. In 2004 and 2005 he started 16 and 13 games, respectively, for the Dolphins. He is a capable depth player who may start ahead of Levitre if the rook struggles.

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by MattRichWarren on May 13, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

about that quote

Chris Brown sent that to me in an email so there was no link. The “guardedly optimistic” I remember reading in the blog and on here and so I linked that to him.

by pasaluki on May 13, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool.

You should say that. It makes you sound cool like you and Chris Brown email back and forth like you’re tight. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

I’ve gotten 3 or 4 e-mails from Chris Brown over the past couple of years. It’s not that I’m special but rather that Chris Brown makes a real effort to reply to all e-mails.

by Ron From NM on May 14, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey thats still pretty good from a team’s official blogger.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 14, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've had a couple back from him.

I’m just sayin’ you could sound all cool by saying “well Chris Brown emailed me to clarify…”

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it necessary?

He credited Chris Brown with the quote…that’s all that matters

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 15, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Levitre doesnt seem ready for Guard then I’m sure Butler will move back and Chambers will start at RT

Gabezababe

by Gabezababe on May 13, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats sounds like the better bet too me… But maybe we should also consider Bell in the running for LG id the Bills are dedicated to Butler as RT and to keeping Chambers as a great swing backup that can come in at any time.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 14, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wood/Levitre - RG/LG

This question is tailor-made for RonfromNM. Almost everywhere I look Wood and Levitre are projected to be the opening day starters at guard. I have no problem with this but there seems to be some variation as to which rookie will man which side of the pivot. Could someone please provide some insight as to the various nuances which differentiate RG and LG and their role in the Bills scheme? Also, how do the skill sets of Wood and Levitre make each a better fit for one side than the other? Why are some saying Wood will be RG and others are saying Levitre is the RG? Perhaps I am reading too much into this and it won’t really matter but I would appreciate some clarification. Thanks!

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by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on May 13, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Levitre will play LG because he is more used to playing guard to begin with. I’m sure it depends on the scheme but on against the 3-4 the nose tackle will normally have a choice between two gaps one in between Levitre and Hangartner and one between Wood and Hangartner so I’m interested to see which one the nose tackle will test first.

by pasaluki on May 13, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Levitre was predominantly a tackle in college and Wood was predominantly a center. Both saw time at guard during the senior bowl with Wood garnering more praise for his work there. Even if it were true that Levitre was “more used to playing guard” why would that make him the de facto LG rather than RG? I’m just trying to figure out why the coaches would choose to put one of the rookies at RG and the other at LG. What are the factors in their decision that make them think one is better suited to the left side and the other to the right side.

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by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on May 13, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There isn’t really a difference between the two positions unless you line up a TE on one side far more often than the other side. Against a 4-3 defense, a team is going to play a bigger nose tackle on the strong side and a quicker under tackle on the weak side.

It looks like Levitre is going to play LG and Wood is going to play RG and I think the major reason for that is that it’s gotta be a much easier transition for Levitre to shift from LT to LG. He should be more familiar staying on the same side of the line. It should be a smooth transition for Wood regardless of which guard spot they play him at.

by kaisertown on May 13, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its a little like the differentiation between a right tackle and a left tackle, you usually see the more athletic/ better pass blocking guard on the left side, and the more road grading/run blocking guard on the right side – this is what I see us doing, since Levitre played left tackle and is known as more of a technician than Wood, I would assume Levitre makes more sense staying on the left side.

That said a lot of teams try to pair their best guard with their best tackle, which is most often their left tackle – thats why guys like Hutchinson, Steinbach, and Mankins all play on the left side.

I think it mostly comes down to where each guy feels most comfortable.

by JLCrimm on May 13, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

chris brown also states that wood is known for his pass blocking as well, wood is simply and all around great o-lineman

i agree more w/ what kaisertown has to say on this topic… levitre has no aspect of his game that is better than woods… he’s simply known for being a technician because he’s not a road grader and not a big time force to reckon w/.. he’s a guy that will use his technique stay in front of his man and keep himself between the defender and the ball carrier and play till the whistle.. wood has theability to dominate his man and put him on his back, and then will look for someone else to knock down before the play is over..

by Shovel51 on May 14, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know rookie minicamps aren’t indicative of anything but I thought Wood was playing RG and Levitre was play LG? I guess I shouldn’t say either will be a lock to start, but I think they will be although I’m now really not sure which one will start on what side. Maybe since Wood is a bit better they will still keep him on the right to balance the line in a perceived strength of Walker vs. perceived weakness of Levitre? I don’t know. I think the distinction of R vs. L guard isn’t as major as L and R tackle, because the fear on the left side is of a blindside hit but it’s easier to see a big DT bearing down on you if your a QB.

by pasaluki on May 14, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The biggest reason that LG vs. RG isn’t as different as LT vs. RT is that teams consistently play the same DE on the right side and left side. But teams don’t have a right defensive tackle and left defensive tackle. Those guys shift around depending on the offensive formation. So while a team that played Buffalo last year had a LT line up across from Schobel and an RT line up across from Kelsay, the guards saw Stroud on some plays and Williams on others. Those two are pretty similiar players, but a lot of 4-3 teams use a true nose tackle and a true under tackle. If you were to play Atlanta last year, if your side of the field was the strong side than your lining up across from 350 pound Grady Jackson, but if your on the weak side than you’ve got a skilled pass rusher in 285 pound Jon Babineaux.

by kaisertown on May 14, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Brown weighs in

Chris gives his opinion on this question in his most recent “Fan Friday” post. Find it here

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by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on May 15, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We won’t know squat until the preseason begins. I break down the preseason games until the starters are off the field. After all, it doesn’t much matter if a guy can dominate a scrub.

by Ron From NM on May 14, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wood will hands down be the better of the two...

 between him and levitre… woods will help levitre bring his game along though, now i’m not saying he will hold our o-line back.. i just think so highly of wood that i beileve he will be the best lineman on this team

by Shovel51 on May 14, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s funny how the survey above bears out the myth of the left tackle position. It is important, but it is still a position where the guy in it just takes orders and does his thing. The center position is key because they make observations and adjustments and communicate blocking assignments. Hangartner is key, and if he is what he appears to be from his time in Carolina, we should be more than happy with our line as a whole. If he fails, we fail.

As far as Walker and the talk of him not being able to take the speed rusher, I don’t think he gets cleanly beaten often at all. He has trouble, yes, but between TE help or a chip from the RB everything should be fine. The only variable is how fast can Trent get the ball out? We don’t know.

by syrbillsfan on May 14, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The only variable is how fast can Trent get the ball out? We don’t know.

Well aside from the receivers being open – a lot of this depends on Turk. If the routes are long and deep he will have to keep someone into help Walker if they feel he cannot handle his man. However, if they do short to intermediate routes Walker should be o.k. – especially quick slants, outs and seam patterns.

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by J2 on May 14, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot depends on Edwards not waiting for a receiver to come open but instead anticipating that he will come open and throwing the ball before a DB has a chance to react.

by Ron From NM on May 14, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely – i think thats what happened a lot last year is he wasn’t anticipating very well and waiting for the receiver to be open. He needs to trust that they’ll make the right cut at the right distance – if he does that he’ll be fine

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by J2 on May 15, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as Walker at LT goes, it isn’t only speed rushers that we should be worried about. It’s the pure talent that he will face as team’s line up their best pass rusher across from him all season. And that is the reason why LT really is the most important position on the OL. It’s not that it’s more important schematically, but when you play Mario Williams, Julius Peppers, John Abraham, Dwight Freeney etc.. How can you not say that the player who is responsible for blocking them doesn’t have a more important job than the rest of the offensive lineman?

by kaisertown on May 14, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure those guys are glitzy, but is having your guy contain them really more important than covering blitzers or, say, Vince Wilfork? The assignments from the center are the key to any blocking scheme. How they work as a whole is a LOT more important than any one position, really. This argument is proven by someone we know and love. For a couple of years he was as close to an elite LT as you can get. Yet, our offense was constantly in the doldrums. As good as he was, our offense was only marginally better because of it. If Walker has weaknesses, at least we and the Bills staff are aware of them. He won’t be on an island. The Bills O-Line is better because they have upgraded the OVERALL talent on the line, even if Wood or Levitre bust. The key upgrade was Hang. He has enough game tape to show that he will not be a bust, he was a backup only because the guy ahead of him was phenomenal.

Let me put it this way – Which line is better (Hypothetically speaking) –
Peters Levitre DUKE PRESTON Wood Butler or
Walker Levitre Hang Wood Butler

You’d pick the second, right? If you can’t hold the pocket, it doesn’t matter if Freeney gets in the backfield!

Case closed.

by syrbillsfan on May 14, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We might just have to agree to disagree on this one. I think that making the line calls can be an overrated responsibility. Have you ever heard the media, coaches or players talk about how a center isn’t good at line calls? QBs override a center’s call or make adjustments that the center doesn’t make a lot of the time too.

And I honestly do think that shuting down Mario Williams is more important than handling Vince Wilfork. The Bills had crappy centers last year, but we actually ran the ball better against 3-4 defenses than we did against 4-3s. So how important can centers really be? I think if there was some way to come up with a factually correct list of the best LTs and Cs in the league and the best offensive lines, you would see more of a correlation with LTs than Cs. Consider all the OLs that made huge one year turnarounds in recent years. Almost all of them got new LTs and had the same center from the year before. Miami, Cleveland, Denver and Atlanta all drafted a rookie LT and had a big jump in every statistical category. When has a team ever drafted or signed a center and have seen the same thing? Do we really think that Buffalo’s run game is going to do anything other than marginally improve or allow fewer sacks because they signed Hangartner?

And if this is in a vacuum and I don’t have to worry about salaries, then I’m taking the line with Peters without a second thought. I don’t even think it’s close.

by kaisertown on May 14, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And one more thing. If centers were so important, why wouldn’t teams draft them as high as they do LTs or pay them as much money? Clearly, NFL teams think that LTs are more valuable than centers are. And it can’t be because of some shortage of LTs because if you were to list them from best to worst and compare it to a list of centers than you can see that it’s a deeper position than center is.

by kaisertown on May 14, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotta agree with syrbillsfan

Just because a type of player isn’t drafted high it doesn’t mean they aren’t very valuable. A good Punter and especially a good Kicker can break the game, and many aren’t drafted at all.
Why Tackles are drafted higher is because there are fewer of them that are great. Think about the traits you need to be considered an elite one: very tall, very strong, very heavy, very fast lateral motion, good dexterity and technique, durability etc. If you look at all of the athletes there are some that possess some of these traits but few that possess all of them. Having an elite tackle is a boon because they are hard to come by and are thus worth more money, but there are plenty of serviceable ones that won’t doom your team.

Guards are easier to come by because their are more athletes that are built like that. But for whatever reason Buffalo just did not have hardly any real talent at the position.
And with these monsterous nose tackles both in the 4-3 and 3-4 it is more important to have two good guards than an elite tackle. In reality Buffalo looks like it has 2 good guards, a good center, and functional tackles.

The long and short of it is would you rather have a silver knife or a gold knife in a fight? The answer is silver because although it isn’t as “valuable” it’s a better material.

by pasaluki on May 15, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Tackles are drafted higher is because there are fewer of them that are great.

I knew someone would try and make this argument, but it simply isn’t true. There are just as many great LTs as there are good centers in the NFL right now. Here’s a very rough ranking of every teams starting LT and center. I just used the depth charts on Yahoo Sports and listed both players when I thought it would be a legit open competition. I’m putting both lists next to each other for comparison’s sake. And these lists are pretty bad as far as the order of who’s best, I didn’t put any thought into them, I just slotted guys in as I checked each depth chart. The point isn’t the order the guys are in, but rather, to compare the talent at one position to the other.

Joe Thomas – - – - – - – - – - – - – Jason Brown
Ryan Clady – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Nick Mangold
Jake Long – - – - – - – - – - — – - – Andre Gurode
Michael Roos – - – - – - – - – - – — Matt Birk
Jason Peters – - – - – - – - – - – – Nick Hardwick
Chris Samuels – — – - – - – - – - – Shaun O’Hara
Jordan Gross – - – - – - – - – - – – Olin Kruetz
Jamaal Brown – - – - – - – - – - – - Dan Koppen
David Diehl – - – - – - – - – - – - – — Ryan Kalil
Walter Jones – - – - – - – - – - – - – Jeff Saturday
Orlando Pace – - – - – - – - – - — – Jeff Faine
Flozell Adams – - – - – - – - – - — – Kevin Mawae
Max Starks – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Brad Meester
Matt Light – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Casey Rabach
Tra Thomas – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Hank Fraley/Alex Mack
Marcus McNeil – - – - – - – - – - – - Todd McClure
Jared Gaither/Michael Oher – - – - Geoff Hangartner
Branden Albert – - – - – - – - – - — Eric Heitman
Jason Smith – - – - – - – - – - – - – Jamaal Jackson
Andre Smith – - – - – - – - – - – - – Jake Grove
Bryant McKinnie – - – - – - – - – - – Chris Spencer
Chad Clifton – - – - – - – - – - – - — Justin Hartwig
Sam Baker – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Jonathon Goodwin
Tony Ugoh – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Casey Weigman
Joe Staley – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Dominic Raiola
Khalif Barnes – - – - – - – - – - – - – Scott Wells
D’Brickashaw Ferguson – - – - – - John Wade
Langston Walker – - – - – - – - – - – Ryan Cook
Donald Penn – - – - – - – - – - – - – John Sullivan
Mike Gandy – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Chris Myers
Duane Brown – - – - – - – - – - – - – Rudy Niswanger
Jeff Backus – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Lyle Sendlien

Think about the traits you need to be considered an elite one: very tall, very strong, very heavy, very fast lateral motion, good dexterity and technique, durability etc.

You’re making my point for me. Left tackles need all of those things because their position is more difficult to play than center. Since it’s more difficult, that is why I think it’s more important.

by kaisertown on May 15, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We aren't talking about the individual player

We’re talking about position importance not individuals. LT’s are drafted high because it is more difficult to find someone to fill the position. Centers / Guards can be shorter / slower / whatever. I wasn’t saying Hang is the greatest specimen of human flesh on the planet. My point is that if each guy does not pull his own weight, we will fail. That was our problem of the last decade. Our offense suffered because our line didn’t work functionally together. Average draft position does indicate rarity of talent, but does not mesh with how important a given position is to a football team. The same can be said for Linebackers vs defensive ends. A defensive end is no more important than a linbacker, but it is far easier to fill those LB slots than it is to get a good DE.

My point is that upgrading the center position for the Bills will more than make up for the “downgrade” of Peters to Walker. If the Bills game plan works, it will minimize Walker’s exposure. Walker doesn’t slack, and knows where to be and when. He doesn’t hold his block all the time, but he does most of the time. The key for him is to make sure he re-directs these guys to the outside, which he is more than capable of.

Since it’s more difficult, that is why I think it’s more important

That totally misses the mark. Finding a guy with the right body type and talent is difficult, playing the position isn’t more difficult, it’s just different. I also think you’re missing my point, or I haven’t really been clear. The O-line lives together and dies together. As I said before, if Edwards does not have a pocket to throw from, it doesn’t really matter if the guy who gets the sack came from the left side or the right. The sack was really caused by the pressure from the middle. We were way to susceptible last year to the 4 (or 3 or 2) man rush and changes were made because of it. On 1 or 2 plays a game, there might be more pressure from the left that Peters would have handled (or not, in the case of the 2nd Jets game). On at least a dozen more plays a game, Hang won’t be blown off the line like Preston, and Trent will have a better view of the field and more time to see it. Better pocket = better Trent.

by syrbillsfan on May 15, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LT’s are drafted high because it is more difficult to find someone to fill the position.

After looking at the list, I don’t understand how anyone can think that. If LTs are hard to find, then why does almost every team have a good one? How have there been like 4 or 5 first round prospects for a couple years in a row and another draft class that looks like it will have 4 or 5 more. There is nothing rare about good left tackles. It’s economics 101, the cost isn’t high because the supply is low. The cost is high because the demand is high and the demand is high because teams think they are more important than other positions.

LTs just have a harder job than centers have. You can see it in the correlation of how our players play against good players and how they play against bad players. There was almost no correlation last year between our running game and the DTs that our crappy centers lined up against. There was a correlation between the quality of pass rushers who play on the right side of the field and how many sacks we gave up. You need a great LT to shut down great REs, you don’t need a great center to run the ball on great DTs and that is why LT is more important than center.

by kaisertown on May 15, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are overstating the importance of the LT in preventing sacks. Sacks are allowed all along the line, not just by the left tackle. They do effect a game, but so do tackles for loss. I ran some numbers and it looks like the Bills allowed 2.9 sacks per game, and 5.1 tackles for loss (includes sacks) on average in losses. In wins, they allowed 1.6 sacks per and 4 tackles for loss per. All that means is “keep your QB upright and he has a chance to win”. To reduce sacks, improvement was necessary across the whole line, not just the LT position. As mediocre as Walker may be on the left side, I am sure he will allow less than the 11.5 sacks Peters did last year. The line as a whole should allow less sacks. That is the goal. Also in my reseach I noticed that Losman was sacked 15 times in 3.5 games, and Edwards was sacked 23 times in 12.5. I don’t know what this tells you except Losman sucks and couldn’t get rid of the ball, even out of bounds.

My conclusion now is kind of a double – The QB decisions and skills determine whether the line is anything other than average. The opposite seems to be true for the running game. The O-Line determines whether you RB is average or great. There are exceptions, and different types of RB’s succeed in different line situations.
For the most part it gives me hope that by addressing the line and bringing in skilled run blockers, the overall product could be great. Trent + more than just Lee Evans + better run blocking = more wins. By addressing things the way they did, the Bills minimized the effect one way or the other of the LT play affecting the outcomes of our games. Unless Walker is absolutely godawful, we’ll be fine. No huddle, and more Lynch/Jackson/Rhodes and the W’s should pile up.

Also, if every left tackle is a high draft pick and is thought of as “good” that makes every left tackle average, right? I think the fact that media and fans think LT is above and beyond in terms of importance, it allows teams to cop out of a “boom or bust” type 1st rounder in a skill position (WR,RB,DE) and pick their “franchise” left tackle, who, unless they go all Mike Williams is really hard to call a bust. It really fits the NFL mold. Every year there are piles of ready or almost ready linemen to sort through to avoid picking players that have a higher chance of busting. It goes along with the “trying not to lose” mentality.

Really, it makes me happy that the Bills picked Maybin. It really is a change from previous years.

by syrbillsfan on May 15, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bills run game

Will drastically improve with hang. What you’ll probably see is more runs up the middle that actually get clear to the secondary. There wasn’t really any of that last year. Also, Lynch’s up the middle YPC should go up quite a bit as well.

by syrbillsfan on May 15, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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