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Ten Bills candidates for early contract extensions


Bills CB McGee enters final year of deal in '09 (photo source)

Over the past three seasons, the Buffalo Bills have worked diligently to re-sign some of their young talent long-term in an effort to preserve the team's roster viability for future seasons. In just those three seasons alone - all three have been orchestrated by the current regime at one Bills drive, figure-headed by head coach Dick Jauron - the Bills have extended young players prior to their deals running out left and right. The most recent example came with yesterday's four-year extension given to RB Fred Jackson; WR Lee Evans, OT Brad Butler, DE Aaron Schobel, DT Marcus Stroud and DT Kyle Williams have all been handed new deals as well. (And if you're counting further, add names like OT Jason Peters, WR Roscoe Parrish and CB Terrence McGee to the list - all got similar extensions from previous regimes.)

Now that the team's most pressing extensions entering the off-season (Jackson, Peters) have been handled in one form or another, the question to ask now is this: who's next?

Like every other team in the league, the Bills have many players that will become free agents over the next year or two, and there are several more players that are locked up a bit longer, but could be in for a pay raise. Of the most pressing contract situations, however - and we should note now that none of these are particularly urgent at the moment - it's the veteran cornerback McGee that is likely the next target for the Bills.

CB Terrence McGee (age 28)
Throughout his six-year career, McGee has established himself as a solid professional. His days as a league-renowned kick returner appear to be over; however, as the team's top cornerback for the past two seasons, McGee has acquitted himself rather well. He is one of the team's best tacklers, accruing roughly 70 per year as a full-time defensive contributor, and he's nabbed 16 career interceptions as well. Don't forget that on a defense starved for playmakers, McGee's two defensive touchdowns are something for him to hang his hat on.

McGee will turn 29 this coming October - he's hardly a spring chicken, and though he's missed at least one game in each of the past four seasons, he's relatively durable as well. He's about as solid as they come, and he likely wouldn't cost an arm and a leg to bring back for one final lengthy deal in Buffalo. McGee is in the final year of a 4-year, $18 million extension he signed during the 2005 season. On Buffalo's list of 2010 unrestricted free agents, outside of a certain Mr. Owens, McGee's name carries the most weight.

The "Wait a year and see" crowd
The following four players are facing different circumstances (read: not as urgent) as McGee, but all could also be in line for extensions sooner rather than later. It's not at all necessary for the Bills to address any of these players' deals in the foreseeable future, but if they impress throughout the 2009 season, any of these guys could see new offers on the table before the '09 season closes:

WR Terrell Owens (age 35): Signed to a one-year deal in March, a situation doesn't get much more "wait and see" than Owens' stay in Buffalo. The T.O. Experiment remains just that - an experiment. But if his arrival in Buffalo comes with tolerable side effects, a glut of points and more wins, you can bet that the Bills will talk about extending the experiment beyond one season.

QB Trent Edwards (age 25): No single player on the roster has more pressure to deal with than Buffalo's third-year signal caller - and that's exactly as it should be. Edwards is 12-11 in two seasons as a starter, and as he's had his ups and downs, there's plenty to be excited about with Edwards - as well as plenty to be skeptical about. One thing is certain: this coaching staff and this fan base desperately wants Edwards to be the franchise quarterback the team has lacked for over a decade. If he shows enough signs early next season that he's that guy, don't be shocked to see an extension - even if "the question" (you all know what I refer to) hasn't really been answered.

SS Donte Whitner (age 23): Though he hasn't quite lived up to the billing that's associated with being the No. 8 overall pick in any draft, Whitner has developed into a solid player with upside and leadership qualities. There's no question that he needs to get better - and, more importantly, make more plays. But he's a defensive captain for a reason - he's respected by his coaches and his teammates. He's not a free agent until after the 2010 season, but with a big year in '09, he'll get a new deal long before his rookie deal runs out.

MLB Paul Posluszny (age 25): "Poz" is two years into a four-year rookie deal as the Bills' second-round pick in the 2007 Draft. With only one season of playing time under his belt, Posluszny immediately inserted himself as the team's leading tackler. No one's really sure how much upside there is with Posluszny, but he's got a great deal of football intelligence and a bit of untapped playmaking ability. Again, he's a young player that needs to improve. If he does, he won't get a chance to test the unrestricted free agent market.

Other veterans to keep an eye on
These two guys are in the final year of their respective deals. Their situations, unlike the four names above, are a bit more urgent - from their end, that is; the team is in a good position to let these players walk.

WR Josh Reed (age 29): He's in the final year of a 4-year, $10 million deal he signed in the spring of 2006 as an unrestricted free agent. He has a clearly defined rapport with Edwards and is one of Trent's most valued receiving targets, and he's still a quality player. But with young depth at the position in the form of second-year players Steve Johnson and James Hardy, it's not completely essential for the Bills to re-sign Reed. That's not to say they won't, however - his chances of finishing his career as a Bill seem solid for the moment.

CB Ashton Youboty (age 24): The third-year corner's biggest problem is clearly not ability; winner of the nickel corner job last season, Youboty enjoyed an excellent start to his season before succumbing to yet another injury. This young man simply can't stay healthy - but every time he's been on the field, he's flashed very solid skills. He's got a year to prove his worth and, more importantly, his durability. Ironically, his fate may be closely tied to McGee's fate, as well.

Young guns: Each of these players is only entering his second season in the league, but with strong sophomore campaigns, WR Steve Johnson, TE Derek Fine and OT Demetrius Bell are exactly the type of young, potential-riddled player that the Bills have extended in the past.

The rest of Buffalo's free agents in 2010 and 2011(*): RB Dominic Rhodes*, OG Seth McKinney, DE Ryan Denney, DT John McCargo*, LB Keith Ellison, SS Bryan Scott*, FS Ko Simpson, FS George Wilson, CB Drayton Florence*, SS John Wendling*

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nice list.. my oppinion on mcgee's situation

before the offseason i felt that if thebills resigned greer then they would let mcgee walk after this season, and if they didn’t he would be someone that they would need to get a deal done w/… i think mcgee is a solid corner as you said, but he seems like an excellent corner when he is able to be up on theline jamming receivers and being physical w/ receivers… he is a good size corner at 5’10" roughly 200 pounds.. and honestly i get pretty pissed when i see him 7 yards off the receiver, that’s not his type of game, and he seems like two entirely different players when off the line and up on it.. he’s shut down legit receivers (marshall) when being physical at the line, and has let average one’s tear him apart when playing off (ted ginn)..

i just wonder if this has more to do w/ the coaching staff and play callin on defense or if it’s up to mcgee, i think it’s probably something you can put on the coaching staff for not utilizing his skils correctly

by Shovel51 on May 14, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He got burned by Ginn Jr. because he played hurt. That performance should be placed on the coaching staff’s shoulders.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 14, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he had a bad knee that game, right? he was hobbling around most of the game, it seemed. a quick reciever like ginn would be able to take advantage of someone hurt like him pretty easily.

by the_prophet on May 14, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Robert Royal probably would have had a career game against McGee that afternoon.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on May 14, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jp loserman could have had a career day receiving against him.

by the_prophet on May 14, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or, for that matter, eric crouch.

by the_prophet on May 14, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not slamming on mcgee for giving up catchest and yards against ginn... you are missing the point

my point is he plays much better up on the line of scrimmage, in the receivers face, rather than playing 7-9 yards off the line… i know i know our defense doesn’t want to give up the big play, but why hold your players back when they can disrupt timing and utilize their skill much better by playing up on the line (i’m talking about mcgee), but we rather stick to our philosophy of bend but dont break.. i think it is more important to allow your players to do what they do best, and in this case play up on the line (obviously depending on down and distance, but there were several times on 1&10, 2&8, etc… that he played off, and boom theres an 8 yard catch for a first down), than stick to a scheme that doesn’t allow your players to make plays as often as they might be capable of if you make some small adjustments.

by Shovel51 on May 14, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree with you. That was pretty evident last year. Does Tampa 2 require him to give that cushion?

by labill on May 14, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are pretty much describing the entire game against Arizona when Kurt Warner picked them apart with short, timing throws. I think this was addressed by the coaches later in the season but by that time it was much too late.

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by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on May 14, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ginn would definatly be able to take advantage of that. You have to remember that for all of Ginn’s short commings, he’s still one of the fastest guys in the league. Put a guy with that speed next to a guy with a bum knee and he wont have to worry about lacking concentration when catching the ball. That was a coaching mistake, McGee should have never been lined up with Ginn.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 14, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Basically

It’s really just the difference between playing not to lose and playing to win.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on May 14, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ted Ginn had one catch for 18 yards the second time Buffalo played him and McGee actually had 8 solo tackles. I’d say that McGee played pretty well the second time around.

And the logic for playing off the line is that McGee can face the action for a longer time before he has to turn and run with the WR. A CB like McGee is going to be much better in run defense when he has the time to read a run play and doesn’t have to disengage a blocking WR to make the tackle. On pass plays the CB has time to read a QB and watch a play develop. Watching the QB take his drop and knowing whether it’s a 3 step or 7 step drop gives McGee a better chance at anticipating a route.

by kaisertown on May 14, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree w/ your point on a longer down and distant, but it makes no sense to play 8 yards of on 2nd and 8, not to mention when the ball is snapped he back pedals widening the gap and then on comebacks/outs/ins drags has to break up on the ball

which by the time he is able to get there it is caught for a 1st down or an 8-10 yard gain..
and i could also understand your point in zone coverage as far as reading the qb, but not in man coverage because the cb plays the receiver.

you can’t tell me you don’t get a little upset when mcgee plays off the entire game and theres a catch and him getting there a 2nd late to break up the pass but does get the tackle.. now wouldn’t think if he even just cut that cushion in half that maybe the ball wouldn’t have been thrown there or he could have possibly made a play on it.

by Shovel51 on May 14, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But if you cut that cushion in half he could get run past, too.

The 8 yard cushion guarantees nothing. A short pass to the WR and the CB is supposed to meet him. A quick screen gets two yards because th CB charges forward. The bubble is a sound strategy.

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it’s not as if the CBs aren’t allowed to move forward. If a WR starts to turn back toward the QB or if the CB can see the QB start to wind up to throw, then he’ll move forward and try and make the play. In theory, it should be easier to pick a pass off on a short route if you are lined up 7 or 8 yards off the ball.

And It’s not like good defenses or aggressive teams don’t line their CBs off the ball like we do. Other teams may not do it as consistently as Buffalo, but if you watch the Ravens or Eagles play football they will have their CBs 5-8 yards off the line of scrimmage on 3rd and 2 just like we do.

by kaisertown on May 14, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh Reed

The way that Josh Reed developed into such a favorite target for Edwards I have to imagine he is also a priority signing. I don’t think Owens will be back next year, and they are inclined to let Parrish go sooner than later. So I think his stock is higher than you imply. If Hardy and Johnson develop nicely that becomes a core of 4 solid receivers (Evans, Reed, Hardy, Johnson) with room for 1 or two young hopefuls.

by south123 on May 14, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

to a point, i agree. reed may not be the fastest player on our team, but he’s an excellent route-runner who’s good at finding holes in the zone. players like that will always thrive in the slot. it’s something that takes time to learn, you don’t have that kind of feel when you come right out of college. give johnson and hardy time to develop.

this season will be big. if neither really have an impact, expect to see reed resigned very soon. if both get, say, 20 or 25 receptions this year, then reed becomes less of a need.

to be really honest, it also relates directly to where the offense is going as a unit. if they’re going towards the 2-TE set more often than 3-WR, then retaining all five of our recievers besides parrish isn’t as big of an issue.

by the_prophet on May 14, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i agree depending on this year, and what kind of rapport trent builds w/ some of the younger guyson this roster..

if he’s hurt half the season, and johnson comes in and makes plays while he’s out, and hardy is able to be a dependable target, and he gets acclamated to nelson, then i don’t think there is as much of reason to keep reed around.. if we don’t see this from trent and the younger guys this year and reed is able to stay healthy while being trent’s safety valve then i think it should be a priority to resign him.

by Shovel51 on May 14, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First — I love Reed. He has been a dedicated, dependable receiver. That one play last year where some said he avoided a hit — I really didn’t think so (it was the sun) because we all know Reed for what he is, a tough, sacrificing receiver. And I give him a lot of credit for coming back from the rib(?) injury so quickly — must have hurt him a lot to be so tough. He is well known as a great blocker — I did think some times he is overly agressive in his blocking that sometimes draws the holding/pushing penalty. Having said all that, he will be past 30 when his contract is up — it seems that OBD really wants Johnson to make the team and since Reed is not a contributor to ST, Johnson probably should take the spot. We just can’t lose TO and go back to Evans and Reed, with Hardy/Johnson as our 3rd. We either extend TO or get another WR (or Hardy/Johnson develops) — in any case, there just isn’t room for Reed at a veteran’s salary (with no ST contribution).

by labill on May 14, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. And those 4 that you mentioned are the 4 receivers I see as being our core for the next few years. I’d love to resign Owens, but if that doesn’t happen, the Reed should be place higher on the list. But he deffinatly does fall into the “wait and see” catigory.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 14, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't resigning McGee mark a paradigm shift?

When was the last time they retained a CB beyond their initial contract?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 14, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

didn’t they give mcgee an extension already?

they rarely have been retaining CBs because they always cost too bloody much to resign.

by the_prophet on May 14, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

They won’t break the bank for him but they have tried to re-sign CBs in the past.

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they gave greer a decent deal – below market value, but greer knew that OBD wouldn’t be putting up a seriously monstrous offer with all the issues they’ve been having at other positions.

by the_prophet on May 14, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Below market value but it was his value.

New Orleans overpaid for him, no doubt. That’s why trying to extend McGee now so he doesn’t hit the open market is important.

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone overpays for starting CBs. I’m not sure why. I still think most of them are products of their respective systems. I guess any player can be looked at that way though. I’m talking to you Tom Brady!

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on May 14, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, i agree, definitely. everyone pays too much for good CBs.

it would have been nice to have two lockdown corners in man defense, though.

by the_prophet on May 14, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never realizes Whitner was that young.

Of this list, the one I highly expect to be signed next offseason is Poz. He will get an extension by this time next year.

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

assuming he doesn’t break another major bone and lose a season. if he misses 4-6 games this season, for any reason, expect to see him play out his contract before we resign him (if, at that point, we do).

by the_prophet on May 14, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well then youboty shouldn't even be on this list.. he should have been cut a long time ago w/ all theinjury issues he has had..

will this be the year we let youboty go, or will it be next year? after he starts another promising season and then goes on IR after 4 games… sorry but it doesnt matter how much talent you have and flashes, or promise… if your not on the field your no good to any team.. and sorry to say that has been the story of youboty’s career

by Shovel51 on May 14, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope your right on Poz. I mean I know he looks a bit overated right now, but let the guy get some experience! I do think that Poz will be a star in this league, so we might as well extend him before he wants star money!

As for whitner’s age, you have to remember that he left college at the age of 19. So even with 3 years pro experience, I still think that he is developping and I wouldn’t close a jurry on him until he’s at least 25. Age does play a factor here IMO.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 14, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I was OBD

I would put a reasonable deal to Mcgee, Whitner, Poz, and Edwards (depending on this season). I would let Reed go and put another 1 year deal in front of Owens. Reed is a dependable receiver but I feel that Scuba Steve is going to take over his role this season. The WR situation would be Evans, Owens (if he takes the deal), Hardy, Johnson, and Parrish. It would be great if Owens stayed but the young guns will step up if it does not happen. Remember that Hardy and Johnson would be going into their magic 3rd season in 2010.

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by Deadpool71 on May 14, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

do you think at his age owens will be willing to sign a 1 year deal?? especially in buffalo?

that wouldn’t make sense for him or for his future in this league.. he needs some type of insurance at his age and 1 yeard deals don’t give you that..

by Shovel51 on May 14, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't need insurance.

He has plenty of money… 6.5 million pieces of security.

Owens wants stats and attention. The only way he gets that is with a good QB. He does not re-sign here if Edwards flops. Owens will likely sign a one or two years deal no matter where he goes and most of it won’t be guaranteed.

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as do most of the guys in this league, but if they are the point in their career where they are signing possibly their last contract they want to get as much money as they can and the best way to do that is through signing for more years..

why do you think players don’t like being franchised??

and as i said if he does sign a 1 yr deal it won’t be in buffalo unless after this season he feels that they are a true contender and he is looking at it being his last season…

by Shovel51 on May 14, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why do you think players don’t like being franchised??

Because they would generally make more money somewhere else. Nobody cares about the years.

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agreed. I also think thats one reason why Owens only signed for 6.5 M, because I do think that he could have gotten more somewhere else. TO is playing for recognition at this point, he salary is only a bonus to him.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 14, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did not realize quite how young Youboty is. Only 24. I forgot he was a junior when he came out of ohio State. If he can stay healthy he might be a better value than McGee. You would have McKelvin, Yuobouty, Florence and Corner which would be decent. If McGee wants Greer dollars then I would let him go. My opinion is we got the best years out of him as I dont see him getting better. You can probably re-sign Youbouty for 1/3rd of the price it will cost you to keep McGee.

by Berg79 on May 14, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Patriots method...
My opinion is we got the best years out of him as I dont see him getting better.

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but we also let go London Fletcher, Pat Williams and Tekeo Spikes with that mentilty and then look what happened!

by CanadianBillsFan on May 14, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only Pat Williams had his best years after we released. Takeo had his best years with Cinci. London with the Rams and the Bills. London was and is not worth the money the Skins paid for him.

But I believe that lineman and even linebackers can have longer shelf lifes. I was more referring to CB: Winfield had his best years with us. Clemens had his best years with us. And I think Greer will ultimately have his best years with us. Same with McGee when he goes somewhere else.

by Berg79 on May 14, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Winfield has had some great years in Minny. Better than he had here, IMO.

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by Kurupt on May 14, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. And even If Takeo and Fletcher weren’t as good with the Eagles and the Redskins, they were still good enough to lead their teams in tackles. Thats why I mentioned them. We let them go too early IMO.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 14, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think that Winfield’s best years were in Buffalo but that is debateable. I would rather have Poz then Flechter so I dont feel Fletcher was worth the money. And Takeo had the bad achilles injury so his return to form was questionable at the time of the release.

But I do like the Patriots strategy of not over paying for people in the secondary. Therefore, I am pleased the Bills let Greer go (he was asking too much) and same with McGee. Teams with overpaid CB’s have not been that great lately. Steelers, Giants, Pats, even Zona all built their secondary (Specifically CB’s) through the draft and didn’t overpay to re-sign.

by Berg79 on May 14, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Giants didn’t overpay to re-sign Corey Webster????

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by Kurupt on May 14, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that happened after the superbowl. Am I incorrect?

by Berg79 on May 14, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So being in the Super Bowl makes him better?

They overpaid for him.

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that

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by Kurupt on May 14, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meant teams who have been in the super bowl have spent there money elsewhere.

by Berg79 on May 14, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it.

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only guy I’d consider re-signing before this season is McGee. He’s a solid, dependable player for us. If McKelvin develops into the #1 CB we need, McGee would be an excellent #2. I also don’t think he’d be that costly.

I’d be thinking about extending Youboty, as well, but to a shorter, incentive based deal. I really think Youboty is a very good player, he just can’t stay healthy. I’d like to lock him up before his contract ends, though it can be a bit risky with his injury history. He won’t cost much, so it’s worth it. I think he’s better than Florence and a lot better than Corner. I don’t want to think about having to draft more CB’s next year or play Corner/Harris signficantly any time soon.

I think TO is a one-year thing. If he has a great year, some contender could be more willing to bring him in. However, if he has a good year, but not that great, and enjoys his time here, the team could be wiling to give him a 2 year extension. I just don’t think that’s happening though.

Reed will be a 30 year old slot receiver, so I’m not sure what his market will be around the NFL. I really don’t think he’ll be a highly sought after free agent, and won’t be a difficult player to re-sign. Of course, if there’s a new coaching staff, he might not be a fit.

I’m not even considering re-signing Edwards until he makes it through a full season and proves he’s an NFL starting QB. I don’t want to give a QB pretty big money who only throws 11-12 TD’s a season. If Trent doesn’t have a great year this year, we’re bringing in a new QB next year. Trent can stay on as a RFA, and maybe re-sign in the future as a backup then.

I don’t think Poz would be a hard guy to re-sign in the future. He seems to know he’s a perfect fit for Buffalo, whether his play is great or not. He better show us more before they give him a new deal though!

Whitner is going to ask for big money, and it will be totally undeserved. I can just envision that nightmare. If he doesn’t miraculously become a playmaker this year, I’m not sure they give him a long term deal, and I’m okay with that.

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by Kurupt on May 14, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Youboty's contract...
I’d be thinking about extending Youboty, as well, but to a shorter, incentive based deal.

Great idea. Make it for games active or started, not even performance based incentives. That way if he is on the field he gets money but if he’s injured he gets a low-cost deal.

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whitner

I really would have a tough time resigning him…good thing he has 2 more years to prove his worth….he’s super young as well….

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by MARVelous on May 14, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I expect him and his agent to be asking for big money and use the whole “I was a top 10 pick and I have been a good player for Buffalo, blah blah blah” excuse as for why he’s worth big money. I would hope the front office laughs at that.

I have a tough time re-signing him as well….right now. If he does miraculously become a top safety, it’ll be much easier, but right now he’s nothing special and should be compensated as such.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 14, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would re-sign him right now at 1M a season. :-)

Keith Ellison money.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

I’d do it just because it’d be funny!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 14, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hehe – extend Yoboty.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on May 14, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont believe we will be able to sign McGee on the cheap side. I expect him to demand a Greer deal which in my opinion is too costly.

by Berg79 on May 14, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well at least he’d be more deserving of that money then Greer is.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 14, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That may be true. But he will be 30 and I would rather make sure we re-sign Poz and Whitner who are both under 25 and have there best years in front of them.

by Berg79 on May 14, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. But If he is satisfied with Greer money then I say we resign him. I think that he’d be worth it. But I wouldn’t sign him to much more then that. And I don’t think that we can have anyone that can step in a replace him without really affecting the depth that we have at CB. I mean sure McKelvin would do nicely at replacing him, but the who would replace McKelvin and do as good of a job over 16 games? we don,t have anyone that could do that right now.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 14, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Youboty

Youboty looked really good when he played last year. He just has that quality about him. And he has good size. He was just too young when he came out — everyone agreed that talent wise, he had it all. I really feel that “injury prone” label is over-rated. If he is 100% now, he should be a top priority to sign (would be cheap, too). The Florence signing never made sense to me — I am a firm believer that you make Parrish a full time Kick Returner as well as Punt, and have McKelvin dedicated 100% to CB. With McGee, McKelvin and Youboty (and Corner), Florence seems to be an expensive 4/5th CB. I understand it was a reaction to the future loss of Greer, but I think it was also concern about the following year’s FA losses — I don’t like that kind of planning (always planning to lose your best players by not paying them) because it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

by labill on May 14, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wait another year guys...

Owens – He’s here to add a playmaker to the offense, teach some of our younger guys in the wr corp, take the focus off of our other players in offense, and give guys like hardy/johnson another year to develop, i’d almost be willing to guarantee he’s gone after this year.

Edwards – this his make or break year, this is the year that will more than likely determine his futre w/ the bills.. he must show improvement on last year if he wants a new deal.

Whitner- as long as he keeps doing what he’s been doing, besides being arrested, he will be resigned. he is too young w/ too much upside not to, and he hasn’t been bad for us at all.. he’s not the playmaker ed reed is at this point, but he is only 23, and he’s a leader on this defense, and has been a vital part of this defense and has played as many or more snaps than any defensive player on this roster over the last 2 years.
 
Poz – as long as he stays healthy he will be on this defense for the next decade, he is another guy that will only improve on what was basically his rookie campaign last year.. where he lead the team in tackles, and was at the top of this team in turnovers as well

by Shovel51 on May 14, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he’s not the playmaker ed reed is at this point, but he is only 23

The problem with Whitner isn’t that he’s not a playmaker. It’s that he’s shown absolutely no ability or sign that he will ever become one. I could live with a guy who made plays, but was inconsistent with them. Whitner just doesn’t give us any.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 14, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no one our team has given us any.. we havn't had the talent, and he's been asked to play up in the box most of his career and defend the run.

i do agree he isn’t a playmaker, which is why we drafted byrd, which i think may be able to compliment each other perfectly… but because he hasn’t been a playmaker doesnt mean you can take away the things he does bring to this team.. and just because he hasn’t been doesn’t mean that he will never be a guy that can get us 2-5 picks a year, force a few fumbes get a few sacks. he definately has the athletic ability to do those things, he just needs to be put in the situation to be able to do those things.. but if he never becomes that guy that’s fine w/ me.. he’s a hard nosed, hard hitting, tough, smart football player and he’s a great leader and a guy that is obviously respected around this faclity being that he’s a captain.

but he will be re-signed even if he continues to be the player he has been and that was the point i was making.. i wasn’t trying to say he ever will be the player ed reed is.. but he’s still a solid player

by Shovel51 on May 14, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well part of that is him isn't it?
no one our team has given us any.. we havn’t had the talent

He is part of that lack of talent. Top ten picks are supposed to change the face of a defense. He hasn’t done that. You can’t blame that on everyone else.

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i agree top ten picks should, but that doesn't usually happen if you take a safety..

which means it may have been a mis-cue by the obd.. which as much as like whitner… even at the time of the drafted i wanted halot ngata, and if wasn’t there bunkley.. well they both were there and here we are… like i said i love whit and i don’t want to get this whole debate started up.. but it was one time where everyone knew who or at least what positoin we needed to go after.. we all knew who the pick should be.. and thye came out of nowhere w/ this one.. but i don’t think he’s anywhere close to being a bust.. he’s a safety there are very few game changing safety’s in this league.. actually there may only be one true one and that’s reed.. maybe you could put dawkins in there, but he’s kind of past that point in his career… i’m trying to think and i can’t think of many that are the face of the defense like some of the 90’s and before..

by Shovel51 on May 14, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whitner and Poz love the game of football, respect the game of football, and have shown the utmost respect to the Bills franchise. Since they are so young it is still unknown if they have the talent to be all pro’s, but they certainly have more talent than players like Kelsay’s, Denney and Dockery. Therfore, we should re-sign them even if we overpay. Whitner, Poz, McKelvin and Maybin (and in a way Stroud) are your defensive cornerstones for the next 5 years and we need to keep them together to see how they grow. Everyone else is expendable and can be replaced.

by Berg79 on May 14, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should never overpay for a player – that implies said player isn’t cut out for the contract they signed and isn’t up to the level of talent needed to take the team places.

The Bills exemplify restraint in this regard by not getting scared of “who next” once a higher-profile player leaves. I think they actually go to far the other way in this regard sometimes, but at least they don’t pay out the nose for guys like Clements and Greer when they know they can coach the next guy to fill that void in a similar way.

Now Jason Peters – that’s a situation that I think might get worse, and could ultimately spell the end of this staff’s tenure at OBD. If the Bills lose a multitude of games and the reason is poor QB-play, you can be sure pundits will look to that trade.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on May 14, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should overpay for some players

Under a couple of conditions- the first one being you expect them to grow into the contract. You have to be right about it, and can end up with egg on your face if you guess wrong, but in a salary cap league that’s basically the only way to be anything better than mediocre.

Then you have cases where overpaying is OK because the player is good (not great) and you don’t have a viable replacement on the horizon. I think the Lee Evans contract is an example of this. No way in hell is he one of the top 3 or 4 receivers in the league, but he’s sure paid like one. At the end of the day, and considering it was before they signed Owens…we were all pretty happy that Evans was under contract…even if it was for a million or two more per season than he was probably worth. I think the Peters situation would have been the same thing. Philly overpaid him even if you ignore what they gave up in the trade for him. But it’s a position that’s highly valued in the league, and now they don’t have to worry about it- some times peace of mind and plugging a big hole is more important than a million or so in cap space.

by Make a play Whitner on May 14, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's some pretty shoddy logic

Saying that because Poz and Whitner have more talent than the Kelsay, Denney and Dockery’s of the world, we should also overpay them? Because they love the game of football?

How about they produce on the field before getting that extension?

I don’t follow that at all…..

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 14, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the game of football...

someone pay me now!

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by MattRichWarren on May 14, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love money. Will someone pay me for that?

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on May 14, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love women.....someone pay.....ummmmm.....nevermind :-)

How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?

by Joe P. on May 14, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

K: I am not saying that because Poz/Whitner should get overpaid b/c they have more talent than Kelsay/Denney Dock or b/c they love football. I think they are good players already and that they have potential to be even better (some of that is based on how young they are). So even if Poz or Whitner dont improve so long as they dont regress I am ok if they are given an offer that is slightly higher than what their return would ordinarily dictate. We would be signing them one year bf they would hit free agency and elimiate the risk that they breakout in 2010 and then either cost us more to keep them or lose them to another team.

Talented players who truly love the game have a better opportunity to become great. Therefore, overpaying is worth the risk that they turn into the all pro players we hope they become.

by Berg79 on May 14, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess when I say overpay I mean give a salary that would be based on potential and not prior play. I think we overpaid for Lee Evans but I am content with the deal.

by Berg79 on May 14, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whitner

wow. how old was he when came out? he’s still a baby. that only gives me more reason to believe he will become a better football player. i think he will turn out to be a fine safety—and i know i’ve been a bit critical of him.

by chaucer on May 14, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He left college at the age of 19. Started playing in the NFL after he just turned 20.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 14, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mcgee

oh and please sign terrence mcgee. he’s a good cornerback, with good playmaking ability. please don’t let him walk buffalo.

by chaucer on May 14, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would resign McGee right now to a new extension

And I would let Youbuty, Edwards, Poz and Reed know that if they all play well and in the case of Youbuty stay healthy that we will be talking to them and their agents at the end of the season about possible extensions. This would give them more than enough incentive to play balls to the wall.

Owens I do not think will return if things go well, he will take off for a bigger market to cash in one more time with a team desperate for the Playoffs/Superbowl who will overpay to have him.

Whitner, I would say make him play one more season before discussing an extension, at a minimum. He really needs to prove that he is the playmaker we (OBD) thought we were getting with the number 8 pick.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on May 15, 2009 2:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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