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New York Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez throws a pass at the rookie football minicamp Saturday, May 2, 2009 in Florham Park, N.J.  (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)

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6 months ago: New York Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez throws a pass at the rookie football minicamp Saturday, May 2, 2009 in Florham Park, N.J. (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)

Each Friday during the off-season, Buffalo Rumblings dedicates our front-page space to learning a bit more about the inner workings of the Buffalo Bills' three biggest rivals - our AFC East counterparts.  We start our festivities this morning with a discussion on Jets rookiei QB Mark Sanchez with John B of Gang Green Nation.

Though they emerged from the 2009 NFL Draft with just three drafted rookies in tow, the New York Jets made one of the biggest splashes on draft weekend by trading up to No. 5 overall to select USC QB Mark Sanchez.  The move immediately gave the Jets a legitimate starting quarterback - and even though growing pains are expected, the move was a smart one for the formerly quarterback-starved Jets.

Over at SB Nation's Jets blog, however, the pre-draft notion of trading multiple picks and players for a pick high enough to select a QB was met coolly by some bloggers; once the deed was done, John B's initial reaction was "not thrilled".  Naturally, I had to ask John about said reaction right out of the gate in our first 2009 installment of 'Around the AFC East'.

John, you were pretty vocal pre-draft about your opinion that the Jets should NOT trade up for a quarterback this year.  Has your viewpoint changed any in the post-draft mania surrounding Mark Sanchez?  Would you have done anything differently on draft day?

John B: I did not hate the move, but I definitely have reservations. Jets fans tend to be pretty impatient. In this decade alone, the fan base has anointed Chad Pennington, Eric Mangini, Kellen Clemens, and Brett Favre as saviors and turned quickly on them when they failed to deliver the team to the promised land. This rookie quarterback is going to have the same expectations. A lot of fans are going to expect him to produce right away. Given the track record of junior quarterbacks lacking game experience in the Draft, this could be a bit much to ask. I worry they could turn on Sanchez before he really has a chance. He will require time and patience.

The other thing that bugged me was the Kellen Clemens factor. The Jets loved this guy three years ago when he was coming out of Oregon and are now giving up on him without ever seeing whether he could play. He made eight starts with no running game behind a patchwork offensive line in 2007. Even as he struggled, he was disproportionally good in clutch situations. I would have rather given him a year to make sure he was not the answer before rolling the dice on a first round quarterback. At worst, the Jets could have looked at 2010's deep Draft class at the position.

The move I probably would have made would be to take Michael Crabtree after trading up with Cleveland. There are players who profile similarly to Sanchez every year. Prospects like Crabtree do not come around as often. He would have provided a major boost to a position lacking depth and given Clemens an extra tool to succeed.

I must admit this opinion puts me in the minority among Jets fans. There is a lot to like about Sanchez. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders and has already left teammates impressed with his work ethic. I am happy the team moved up to grab him instead of a complete project like Josh Freeman, and considering the circumstances, the compensation to Cleveland was not too costly. I understand why the Jets made the decision, and I think there is a decent chance it pays dividends. If your question is whether I would have made the same move, however, the answer is probably not.

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There's very little in the world of football that leaves me more satisfied than a fan of a hated rival that shows a little caution in his or her optimism.  Props to John for keeping it real on Sanchez - the post-draft buzz surrounding his selection was a little ludicrous, in my opinion, and Steve Young labeling Sanchez 'Presidential' was laughable.  I'll say it now - I think, and I thought throughout the entire pre-draft process, that Sanchez was the best quarterback in the draft class.  But this kid won't have rookie year success like Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco did.

I hate to admit it, but as strange and unprecedented as the trade itself was (the Jets gave up Nos. 17 and 52 this year, plus three players - DE Kenyon Coleman, QB Brett Ratliff and S Abram Elam), I thought the Jets absolutely fleeced the Browns on the deal.  I'd have traded three marginal pros and two semi-valuable draft picks for a shot at answering my most important roster question with a highly promising rookie and laughed at the imbecile who allowed me to do it once the deal was done.  Still... this is a gamble that the Jets are taking, and it's not likely to pay off for at least a year.

What say you, Bills fans, about Sanchez and his rookie season prospects?  Can he keep the Jets competitive in an improving division?

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I understand having reservations about Sanchez, but I felt he was the best QB in the draft, by far. They didn’t have to give up a whole lot to get him, so I’m not sure why any Jets fan would be so upset.

What is this guy talking about, thinking Kellen Clemens wasn’t treated fairly? Every time the guy got on the field, he pretty much sucked. It was the prior coaching staff that brought this guy in, doesn’t he remember that?!?!

And he’s talking about waiting until 2010 to get a QB and trading up to draft Crabtree instead this past year??? It’s too bad he’s not running the Jets. You don’t pass on the chance to get a potential franchise QB and you definitely don’t put it off for a year.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 15, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that dude’s got a point, though. every time clemens played, he was playing for (at that point) the worst team in football. no blocking, poor running, and they expected a brand-new QB to go out and make something happen. not every pro is a fairy-tale story.

by the_prophet on May 15, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to think it's the Jets who got fleeced here

They gave up five players (counting two high draft picks) for one — an inexperienced junior QB who needs work. His upside is potentially pretty good, but that good? Five players? What’s more, they rushed the pick. I’ll admit I haven’t followed Clemens’ status that deeply, but after this read, I’d tend to agree with John B’s assessment of him. With the 2010 QB class coming up next year, which we all know is deep as a class since probably ’04, the Jets might have been better off waiting one year, taken some more offensive weapons for their real rookie QB next year. But of course this is all speculation.

I’m cautious that Sanchez might turn into a pretty great player. But Abram Elam was no slouch at safety, and those other two picks (first round and second round) just seem like they would have helped the Jets’ team more in general. It was a lot to give up for one year of time.

by Dyl on May 15, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the Browns got fleeced. You never give a conference foe an opportunity to draft a franchise QB and pass you by. He’s got much to prove but honestly, what did the Jets lose? The swapped #1’s, lost a 2nd, and gave up 3 players – 2 of which Rex Ryan probably is prepared to replace.

I do agree that Crabtree would have been a great pick – though that’s just as risky as a QB.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on May 15, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Jets may end up with the better end of the deal but for the Browns it made sense. The Browns have Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn, theres no way fans would buy drafting another QB. The Browns made the best deal they could for themselves and picked up 5 players that have some actual NFL experience and got the Center they were after also.

by pasaluki on May 15, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Brown made the best deal only if they would have drafted Sanchez, which they wouldn’t have. Your forgetting that other players were availble at that spot too. If I’m a Browns fan I’m pissed that they passed up Michael Crabtree, especially with Edwards’ laughable hands and Stallworth’s inevitable jail time.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 15, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, the Browns wouldn’t and shouldn’t have drafted a QB, but I think they undervalued their position in the draft and the players available to them.

Crabtree shouldn’t be compared to Jerry Rice (no one should), but he was being touted as such even before the ’Niners grabbed him.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on May 15, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sanchez and the Jets are going to be the definition of feast or famine this year

Things are always unpredictable with the Jets. Before the draft I thought the Jets would focus on building up a nasty defense and would be down for a few years before becoming pretty formidable, but with the draft of Sanchez, it seems the Jets want to make a bigger push.
Although I could be very wrong I agree with Dyl I think this could go and bite the Jets quite badly. Sanchez should have stayed another year and I think it would have been more of a sure thing for them. But the fact remains that they really didn’t have a Quarterback, and Sanchez is someone who will excite fans so maybe it was something they had to do.

by pasaluki on May 15, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Sanchez will keep the Jets competitive.

But that’s not to say that they’ll be winners. We were very competitive in a lot of games last year, yet our team as a whole was mediocre. Plus Sanchez has no real threats to throw too. I think that Jets fans are fooling themselves in thinking that Sanchez will pull a Dreww Brees (aka, have a great season with no real receiving threats).

Will he make their offence better? yes, but not by enough for them to be as goos as they were last year. I expect a 6-10 year for them with Sanchez, at the most.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 15, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that’s another reason why I was surprised by their decision to draft Sanchez. But one thing it made clear: The Jets had absolutely no faith in next year’s QB class. They seem to want to take their chances with the WRs though.

by pasaluki on May 15, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Jets had absolutely no faith in next year’s QB class.

Who’s to say they would even have the chance to get a QB early in next year’s draft? You can’t plan to draft a player in the future….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 15, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

<can’t plan to draft a player in the future….>

Really? I’m willing to bet that the Bills have 2 or 3 QBs already on the prospects list for next years draft. If things go south this year the “plan” is to pick one up. You can certainly plan to draft a player in the future, there is just no garauntee that any one individual will be available.

by Buffalo Mo on May 15, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, but you can’t let who might be available next year be a factor in a decision as important as trading up for Sanchez. And it’s not like that 2010 draft class is that strong at QB. What happens if Sam Bradford blows out a knee and goes back for another year of school? Then the QB class of next year actually sucks (I kinda think it does already).

by kaisertown on May 15, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say it has to be a factor….if a team sees that better players are available the following year in the same position then perhaps you wait. Its certainly is factored into the equation. I am not saying what the Jets did was wrong in terms of trading up (they had a chance of taking what they felt was going to a QB great so they took it.

But, if they thought Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Tim Tebow, or maybe even Dan Lefevour had the upside of being better. I think they might have stuck it out one more year.

On another note: I don’t think Sanchez will start at the beginning of the year; and I certainly don’t think the Jets will be competitive.

by Buffalo Mo on May 15, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I disagree, at least about things other than the Jets not being competitive. They shouldn’t be awful, but I’m not sure they can be any better than a six win team.

I think this is kind of a moot argument. I bet that different teams approach it in different ways and some would do what I do and make the big decisions independant of other years and some consider future draft classes or potential FAs to be an important factor.

I also think I’m being skewed by my belief that next year’s crop of QBs is already being way overrated. It’s not the point of what we were talking about, but Bradford is half top 3 overall pick and half system QB. He’s got question marks. Snead is only a Junior. And I’m not buying on Tebow or McCoy, at least not in the first round. I think it has the potential to be one of the worst groups in the last decade.

by kaisertown on May 15, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sorry, but I can’t agree with that. If a team holds off on drafting a QB in order to try to get one the next season, they are already a failure. There is NO guarantee they’ll have a shot to draft a certain player next year, so that’s why it’s poor team building to put a position on the back burner, especially one as crucial as QB.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 15, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the receivers point is all that needs to be said

there is no way that Sanchez has any level of success his rookie season, in a very competitive division, with Jericho Cotchery as his number 1 receiver. Clowney? Forget about it. Let’s also not forget that both Leon Washington and Thomas Jones are no shows so far as they try to get new contracts so he’s already starting off without his running backs in camp. Plus, call me crazy but I really don’t think the Jets defense is that much better than last year. Sanchez is going to throw interceptions, every rookie does. Just because last year happened to have Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco get into the playoffs everyone thinks that rookie QBs are hot stuff. Peyton Manning threw 28 interceptions his rookie year. 5% of rookie QBs are money from the get-go and Ryan and Flacco happened to be in that 5% in the same year. Sanchez will pay off in the future but don’t be surprised in the least if Clemens holds him off for a year, or more.

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by poz on May 15, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Sanchez will suffer without a supporting cast.

Flacco had the benefit of great veteran leadership around him and seasoned WRs. Ryan – who knows, maybe he really is just that good. Before this past year, no one on the Falcons was worth mentioning other than Vick.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on May 15, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a link...
David Clowney ran as the Jets’ starting split end at Thursday’s OTA practice, ahead of Brad Smith.

Anybody heard of this clown? His only catch ever came against the Bills in week 15 last year. I’m not terribly concerned.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on May 15, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Junior QB's

Over the last 10 years there have been one maybe two QB who left after their junior season and had success. The only one I have coming to mind is Michael Vick and that was marginal. Sanchez may talk all the talk but I still think he is a huge work in progress. It is going to be a long year in Jersey.

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by Deadpool71 on May 15, 2009 7:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What made this trade for the Jets

Whether or not Sanchez works out, what made this trade for the Jets is the fact that they only traded 2 picks for 1. If they had given up more picks instead of players, this deal would have been lopsided towards the Browns. The way I look at it, the Jets only gave up depth players who would of struggled to make the roster with the new regime coming in. Really, I don’t know that anyone got fleeced. The Browns got an extra 2nd round pick and 3 depth players that Mangini knows something about. The Jets, for better or worse, got their quarterback. I personally feel the Jets still have a long way to go, and the part of their organization that could help the most over the next few years, their GM and scouting departments have not changed from years past. So, Rexy or not, it has yet to be seen if Tannenbaum and Co. can identify the talent they need to move forward.

On a side not, are the Browns trying to catch the Belichick that got away?

by syrbillsfan on May 15, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Abram Elam

The Jets re-signed Elam this offseason as a restricted free agent. He wouldn’t have been cut. He will start for the Browns probably.

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by MattRichWarren on May 15, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean the guy who dropped a lame duck yesterday in OTAs?

:-)

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by MattRichWarren on May 15, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

:)

The more those three guys accomplish in the NFL, the worse this trade was for the Jets, my only point was that all three of those guys, with no background with the current coaching staff, they may or may not been on the “in” with the current regime. My guess is that Mangini knows what those guys bring to the table and I’m sure he feels he got the better of the trade. Which he probably did. He knows how many holes the Browns had and did what he thought was best to fill them. I think the Mangini was looking to the future by trading down, and received 4 extra players for trading down in the first round to fill holes. The Jets got Sanchez. Who knows, but I think the team that gets more players / picks for the most part gets the better of things.

by syrbillsfan on May 15, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree because I think you put too high an emphisis on draft picks. I think the Jets got fleeced because they gave up proven players. sure only one of the three is a starter, but the other two are very capable backups. to me the Browns fleeced the Jets because they didn<t only get 2 draft pics but 3 very capable, and proven players. Not top talent in this league by any stretch of the imagination, but still good players.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 15, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sanchez

will be an absolute stud. I usually hate all the Jets moves but this is one I was completely on board with. You have to have balls and go answer the most important question on your football team. Sure the kid has personality, but that means nothing if you can’t produce on the field and I believe this kid has all the tools to do that. The key now is Rex Ryan transforming that Jets defense into a top 5 defense. He does that, with a young promising QB, the Jets are built for sustained success

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by MARVelous on May 15, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the Jets can stay competitive if they can keep their best players healthy. They are obviously working at building a more smash-mouth style team. Whether they’re up to it is the question. The Jets have never been known to be a dominant physical team like the Ravens or Steelers. It’ll be interesting to see if they can adapt to the changes they’re trying to make.
The Jets are enigmatic, sort of. How is their chemistry? They have a big name rookie, new coaches, good talent at some positions, much less at others. Who knows. I can see the Jets winning 10 games this season. I also can see them winning 4 games. Without knowing what’s going on behind close doors, it’s difficult to make any predictions, but I’ll put them at 8-8ish this coming season.

It's just a game.

by jj24 on May 15, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think that your last point is pretty good. there’s a lot of unknowns going into this season. if sanchez follows the normal progression of a QB, there’s a good chance that he’ll be riding the pine for several games at the beginning (or, if things go poorly, at the end) of the season.

they might be awesome, if their run game is great after their players haven’t worked out all off-season. or they might be horrid, if clemens and sanchez are up against teams dropping 6 and 7 guys in coverage every play.

by the_prophet on May 15, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sanchez

I watched every USC game last year (and have done so for many years). USC had just about the greatest Defense any college team ever had. USC did not win the national championship because the Offense was relatively weak. That’s an amazing statement, given that they have such great recruits at all the offensive positions — at RB, for instance, they have 5 players who would start for virtually any top ranked NCAA team (Moody, another back, transferred to Florida because he wasn’t going to get any touches); I think 4 of them were top 10 players coming out of HS (McKnight was considered the best back in the country in HS). Patrick Turner, at WR, an incredible 6’4" recruit played so poorly that he was drafted in the mid-rounds by Miami (everyone thought he would be a top 10 pick when he came to USC). Sanchez may not be to totally to blame for the poor offense, but it was definitely not the Leinert(!)/Palmer offense SC fans were used to. So, all I am saying is that it isn’t like Sanchez (other than the Rose Bowl game against Penn St.) performed well at S.C. — that he can carry a team by himself. His hype came later with the Rose Bowl game and the “Hollywood” charisma that experts fell in love with (Leinert did that, too — and he performed in college!). By the way, Sanchez was not as clean as his image is portrayed now — he was arrested for underage drinking/fake card, and, in another incident, he was investigated for rape (charges were dropped). I don’t know why no one mentions that — it was headline news in L.A. when he was a redshirt freshman (a long time ago).

by labill on May 15, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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