State of the Bills Roster: Guards and Center
Now that the 2009 NFL Draft is in the books and off-season player acquisition will crawl at a snail's pace, Buffalo Rumblings has begun re-examining the Buffalo Bills' revamped roster. We continue off our 'State of the Roster' series this morning with a look at the safety position. Previous installments: QB, RB, TE, OT, DE, DT, S.
When the 2008 NFL regular season came to a close for the Buffalo Bills, the team, at that point in time, employed five interior offensive linemen on its active roster. Roughly four months later, one of those five players remains with the team - and he's new starting right tackle Brad Butler.
Derrick Dockery? Released. Melvin Fowler and Duke Preston? Bid adieu. Jason Whittle? Hasta la vista. With Butler moving out to right tackle, the Bills are in line to feature three starting interior linemen - and four in total, taking in the entire depth chart - that were not members of this team last season.
If that's not an indictment of the team's play along the inside of the line last year, then no low level of play will ever go punished again. Playing in a division that features three dominant nose tackles in New England's Vince Wilfork, New York's Kris Jenkins and Miami's Jason Ferguson, the Bills' interior line was routinely dominated last year. With radical changes having been made, no one is sure if things are looking up inside - but rest assured that it can't get much worse than 2008.
STARTER (C): Geoff Hangartner
Rhetorical question: was there a player position in Buffalo last year that was as much-maligned as center? The Bills, to their credit, saw the need to address the position entering free agency, and Hangartner quickly jumped to the top of the team's wish list once teams were able to sign players. Make no mistake about it: if the Bills had been allowed to sign only one free agent this year, Hangartner would have been their choice. A smart, technically sound player, Hangartner's got his work cut out for him in this division.
STARTER (RG): Eric Wood
A center in college, Buffalo will move Wood to right guard - at least for now. Wood is another highly intelligent player, and is considered an outstanding leader; he was a team captain during his time at Louisville. He plays the game with a fiery demeanor, and his positional versatility will be an asset for the team as well.
STARTER (LG): Andy Levitre
The second interior lineman that the Bills selected on day one of the 2009 NFL Draft, Levitre was a left tackle at Oregon State. Though he lacks the athleticism and measurables to play outside at the NFL level, he brings some of his more endearing qualities (hand punch, finishing ability) to guard, and shouldn't take too long to adjust. He'll play the left side - he's more familiar with that side of the line - and, if the Bills are lucky, will be an immediate upgrade over the departed and severely overpaid Dockery.
Seth McKinney
A seven-year veteran that has spent time with Cleveland and Miami, McKinney offers some value in that he can play either guard or center. He's also got solid experience, having made 45 starts in his career. Don't expect much more out of McKinney than a dependable reserve presence.
Brandon Rodd
If you're asking Pete Prisco, Rodd is a solid player. I, however, am not completely certain how a one-year practice squad player earns that reputation. Rodd will fight for a practice squad spot again this year, barring injury.
Marvin Philip
Philip was the center at Cal-Berkeley during Marshawn Lynch's first two years in college. The sixth-round pick of the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2006 draft, Philip has yet to appear in an NFL game.
Nick Hennessey
A 6'5", 291-pound undrafted rookie free agent out of Colgate, Hennessey has an uphill climb to stick with the team in any capacity.
Contract situations: When you're talking about this many new additions, there isn't much to worry about from a contract standpoint. Wood, as a first-round pick, is likely going to get a five-year deal. Levitre will probably get a four-year accord as a second-round pick, and Hangartner signed a four-year deal - so the Bills have some relatively long-term investments amongst their starters. McKinney is on a one-year deal; this is exactly what the team did with the departed Whittle as well.
Bottom Line
Buffalo gets an 'A' for recognizing that change was needed, and a solid 'B+' for finding low-risk, solid-upside, tough-nosed players to fill out the inside of their line. The starting trio of Levitre, Hangartner and Wood has promise - you won't ever see any of these guys take a play off, but you might see them block a guy out of bounds. The attitude adjustment can't be the only fix, however - these guys need to prove they can play, and they also need to show some cohesion as soon as possible. The Bills did good work here this off-season - but in this division, the work's not done until the Bills are able to actually run the football against the Pats, Jets and Dolphins.
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This group truly excites me.
And it should make everybody a little excited. Maybe not happy excited but excited. Wood was one of my favorite prospects coming out. Hangartner has to be better than Preston/Fowler. The Panthers didn’t want him to leave and the fans were clamoring for him to re-sign. The big question mark is Levitre. I think he is a solid player and should be an upgrade over Dockery and at worst would be on the same level. McKinney should be the only one to make the final roster but it should also be noted that Kirk Chambers has played guard in the past, though obviously that is not his primary position on this team.
Hard-nosed, lunch pail type guys. I love rooting for these guys.
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by MattRichWarren on May 17, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I’m as excited about this interior line as you, MRW. Can’t wait to see how it turns out on the field.
by thefourwinds on May 17, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really are the optimist
4 – number of starting O-lineman playing new positions this year
3 – number of starting O-lineman new to the team
2- number of starting O-lineman that are rookies.
3 – number of losing seasons our coach has had with this team
This line may be the long term solution, but with the above facts they’re going to take time to gel and I can’t expect much of them this season, or at least until the 2nd half.
The Patriots must be licking their chop to face these guys.
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by BillsNYC on May 17, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know that Wilfork is a happy man. He had gotten used to abusing Fowler and Preston. Whether he can do the same to Hang is an open quesiton.
All of the new guys—and with no one at their former position—will make doing the grades on the line interesting indeed.
by Ron From NM on May 17, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
another adjustment that was mentioned on sirius was the fact that hang will be facing all 34's in our division, not a single team runs a 34 in the nfc south.
i don’t know if that’s a big deal or not, i really don’t think so.. but it is another adjustment.. i know he has faced 34’s before, but i would just like to go back and see how did against the 34 defense considering he played a 43 at least 6 times per year against division rivals… i think he will be fine..
this comment came from past bills offensive lineman ross tucker.. he’s high the type of player’s we have aquired hard nosed, nasty, smart, finishers… but he just doesn’t expect much from these guys.. because they are new positions, rookies, and new to the organization, likes the talent.. just isn’t sold on them being able to come in and gel right away.. say’s maybe they could but he doesn’t feel good about our o-line going into this season being a strength.. if that’s the case run theball, and quck passes.
by Shovel51 on May 18, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely, BillsNYC. Well stated.
I think long-term these are positive steps for the team. But in the short run, the o-line would be lucky to be average the first half of next year.
It takes some time.
And people get so carried away with draft picks that it’s hard to even discuss. What are the chances that Maybin, Wood, Levitre, AND Byrd are ALL going to pan out and be good NFL starters? Very minimal.
by Make a play Whitner on May 18, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your both right to an extent
I agree with BillsNYC and Make a play Whitner that it is tough to really get excited about an interior line made of 2 rookies and a back up last year. While they are all good to potentially great players, its going to be really hard to expect them to perform against Wilfork, Jenkins, and Ferguson right off the bat. And MAPWhitner is right that the odds are likely that Levitre or Wood don’t pan out.
That being said fellas, the potential is there, and the possibility remains, that this interior line can be dominant in the future, and even right away. The reason is that all three are smart players, and they bring a serious mean streak to the team. They are all young so they are hungry to prove something. I’ll be holding my breath, but you never know, its not crazy to think they won’t be at least an above average interior line first season.
Expect a lot of mistakes, the odds are very high that about every 5 plays, maybe more, Levitre or Wood gets confused or misses something. When that happens expect runs for losses or worse. It is going to happen with rookies. The key, as Brian noted, is how quickly they gel. If you ask me, three guys who are all smart and love to hurt their opponent will get along just fine right away. You throw in Butler and Walker, who both enjoy and excel at run blocking, and I’d wager you can expect some serious running lanes to open up just as often if not more than Levitre or Wood lose their head.
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on May 18, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here’s to hoping that the 5 preseason games get these guys to gel
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by J2 on May 18, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 – number of losing seasons our coach has had with this team
What does this have to do with guards and centers?
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by Brian Galliford on May 18, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor coaching, you probably can’t expect Jauron’s team to work a miracle.
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by BillsNYC on May 18, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t that have to do with everything?
We can’t expect the coaching to all of a sudden be some of the best in the league. It just isn’t happening. How quickly can we expect the rookies to ready? Will the coaching actually help them ‘get it’ ASAP?
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by Kurupt on May 18, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t that have to do with everything?
Sure, but isn’t it also something that doesn’t necessarily bear repeating?
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by Brian Galliford on May 18, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can bear the repeating easier than the coaching
And since misery loves company…….as long as we have questionable coaching, we will continue to opine.
How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?
by Joe P. on May 18, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
The Browns and Dolphins have employed new O Linemen in recent years with much success. If any position on the team can be upgraded immediately with new blood it’s OLine. I think talent far outweighs the perceived importance of a line gelling. They have 5 preseason games and the entire offseason to get used to each other.
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by MattRichWarren on May 18, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s likely not enough, remember, they need to get used to their own positions first before they get used to each other as they’re all in a new spot.
And they’re not going to play all pre-season, just parts of games, it won’t be “true” competition they’re facing either.
I’m not arguing their potential to be great, I’m just saying you can’t expect it to happen overnight, it’s likely going to take some time to come together and the impact may not even be seen this season.
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by BillsNYC on May 18, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can use everything in your arsenal of negativity :-)
The fact remains that they will get plenty of reps between now and MNF. They will get a lot of reps in OTAs, minicamps, training camp and the preseason. Call it untrue competition all you want. They will be ready to play come September. Not perfectly, but capably.
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by MattRichWarren on May 18, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how that's negative at all
It’s realistic. Having concerns about whether our rookies will be ready to go at the start of the season is legit. It’s not like he was saying they suck and there’s no reason they should be on the team. We should all have concerns that they will take some time to come together. Blindly expecting them to be good starters immediately is not something I can do.
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by Kurupt on May 18, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought doing something else to much made you go blind????
Blindly expecting them to be good starters immediately is not something I can do.
Turns out drinking to much Kool Aid does as well :-)
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by Joe P. on May 18, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is what I'm saying therefore unrealistic?
It’s a negative way to look at it. Sure it’s realistic. But so is what I have been saying. I never said they would be good. I said they would be capable.
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by MattRichWarren on May 18, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited too!!!
For years we have been screaming for linemen with a mean streak in them that want to knock you out and enjoy doing it. I certainly think we are on the right path. I think the “big 3” we brought in this year could be a solid foundation to build off of. Either way you have to give OBD a positive nod of the head on his efforts to improve the team this season!!!
by Sabresfan4ever1981 on May 17, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nick Hennessey
Nick Hennessey is a tackle not a guard.
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 17, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brian, I haven’t seen where the Bills mentioned he would play guard? I beleive he only played Tackle in college.
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 17, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only thing I could find
"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy
by Jason from OH-IO on May 17, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SI's take on Hennessey - RT
ANALYSIS: Hennessey has been a productive small-school lineman, and he’s a well-sized blocker with growth potential. He’s strictly a strong-side or right-tackle prospect, and is a developmental player who should get late-round consideration, and may be stashed on a practice squad for a year or two.
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 17, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's still an open question whether Levitre will start in '09. We'll see.
by Macktruck on May 17, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s probably the O-Lineman with the most to lose at this point (i.e. a starting spot). But the plan is definitely to start him right away.
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by Brian Galliford on May 18, 2009 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Worst case scenario we see Chambers in that spot or McKinnie (or is it McKinney?)
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by MattRichWarren on May 18, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read one of chris brown's post that for OTA's a vet like mckinney/chambers may get the nod at first w/ the starting line-up at LG, so levitre will have to prove himself..
by Shovel51 on May 18, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can deal with that. Preferably Chambers…never thought a whole lot of McKinney (although I’m not proclaiming myself some sort of O-line guru).
But one thing that’s undeniable is that Buffalo has very intriguing versatility and depth up front. An injury or two on the line might not cripple them as it did a few years back. I really like Chambers a lot. Except for that Giants game 2 years ago (that Giants team embarrassed quite a few o-lines), I don’t remember him ever embarrassing himself. Most backup tackles the Bills have employed over the years have been turnstiles.
We can all be dissatisfied with the moves Brandon/Levy and Co. have made over the years because the results haven’t been there- but at least they’re actually trying to do something with the line, something Donahoe was loathe to do.
The Bills offensive line had been average for 2 seasons in a row, and that wasn’t good enough for them to stand pat there, which I admire. 6 or 7 years ago the line would be terrible for 2 straight seasons and no meaningful changes would take place.
by Make a play Whitner on May 18, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i agree.. i like chambers quite a bit too, so if levitre is able to beat him out then i'll be pretty excited about his future w/ this team, and if not i'll be happy knowing that chambers can definately hold his own and do a good job for us
by Shovel51 on May 18, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m hopeful for this group, but afraid they need some time before they are a good unit. With 2 rookies starting, we have to expect some bumps in the road. I just hope they are ready to be competent players right away. They don’t have to be great initially, but we can’t have a pair of liabilities out there.
I like the Hangartner pickup and believe he’ll be a very solid anchor for us. Even if he’s average, he’s still a major upgrade.
As initiated by BillsNYC, this looks like a very good group long-term. But this coaching staff needs immediate help, so for their sake and our sake, they better get the good play out of these guys come September.
~K
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by Kurupt on May 18, 2009 2:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There will be an adjustment period for the (2) rookies but moving from tackle to guard (Levitre) is an easier transition then going from guard to tackle. I expect Wood to pick up the guard position right away as he has worked there before (senior bowl) and moving from center shouldn’t be a huge adjustment. I’m looking forward to seeing these 2, along wth the other OL players, work out on the field come camp time.
by gatornation on May 18, 2009 8:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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