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Rookie DE Maybin scuffles at Bills OTAs, day two

For a second consecutive day, 'tempo' was the buzzword emerging from Buffalo Bills Organized Team Activities.  Coming off of an energizing, yet over-hyped day one of OTAs thanks to the much-ballyhooed arrival of WR Terrell Owens, things got a bit more contentious in Orchard Park, culminating in the first (reported) on-field scuffle of the 2009 season.

Chris Brown over at the official site has the tasty tidbits from day two for your reading pleasure.  Out of everything, I was most impressed by this line about the Bills' top draft pick, DE Aaron Maybin:

"An indication of just what kind of tempo there was on the field was evident in the minor scrum between Aaron Maybin and offensive tackle Chris Denman. Maybin captured the edge on the pass play during team work and flushed quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick from the pocket.

When Maybin tried to pursue Denman arm hooked him and spun him around, which Maybin apparently did not appreciate. A shoving match ensued, but stopped shortly after the assistant coaches ordered them to separate."

When was the last time you heard of any rookie mixing it up with a veteran on his second day practicing with his new team?  If you didn't like Maybin before - and you had every reason to, by the way, as talented and well-spoken as the young man is - you've got to respect him now.  If this rookie class for the Bills is one thing, it's feisty - and that's going to help this team get better.

Attendance
After missing the first day of practice, veteran RB Dominic Rhodes reported for duty.  As anticipated, he was worked into the running back rotation behind starter Marshawn Lynch and the recently re-signed Fred Jackson.

FB Corey McIntyre (legal issue), S Donte Whitner (court hearing) and WR Roscoe Parrish were absent from the day's practice.  WR James Hardy, WR C.J. Hawthorne, LB John DiGiorgio and CB Ashton Youboty continue to rehab injuries and will not practice any time soon.  Rookie CB Cary Harris was resting an injury and did not practice; head coach Dick Jauron will address the media Wednesday with a full injury update, according to Brown.

DT Marcus Stroud, who did not participate on Monday, returned to the field on a limited basis Tuesday.

Butler struggling at RT?
Yesterday, DE Chris Kelsay raised some eyebrows when he registered a 'would-be' sack on QB Trent Edwards.  That trend continued today, according to Mark Gaughn of the Buffalo News:

But Chris Kelsay got around right tackle Brad Butler quickly on the play, and it would have been a sack. Kelsay also had a bat-down at the line.

Either Kelsay is completely rejuvenated by the return of Aaron Schobel and the arrival of Maybin, or Brad Butler is struggling to adapt to his move from right guard to right tackle.  Before you freak out and launch into a tirade about how the offense is doomed if Butler can't get it together, keep in mind that this is OTAs, and it's definitely May.  Don't let this "news" freak you out, because anything happening football-wise in May can barely be considered "news" to begin with.  But a trend is a trend, and there is reason to watch this situation closely when training camp begins in July.

TE Nelson starting to make plays
As much as we should keep our emotions in check when bad things happen in OTAs, it's equally important to keep the excitement in check when hearing things as exciting as Shawn Nelson's contributions on day two:

Rookie tight end Shawn Nelson, the BIlls' fourth-round draft choice, displayed good hands on the second day of organized team activity workouts. The 6-foot-5, 240-pounder, made back-to-back good grabs on pass routes down the right seam of the field. Both throws came from Gibran Hamdan and both were caught in traffic.

Other players - starting corners Terrence McGee and Leodis McKelvin, and yes, Mr. Owens, too - made plays on Tuesday.  Nothing else, however, was particularly earth-shattering; lineups largely remained the same.

Brown, whose blog is always an absolute gold mine this time of year, has some interesting nuggets up about the Bills' allowing Edwards flexibility in play-calling and the continued battle between McGee and Owens.  Be sure to check out Brown's work throughout OTAs - this is when he's at his best.

More on OTAs early Thursday after Wednesday's practice.

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Chris Denman?

LOL……..way to show fire kid

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 20, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions  

why did you have every reason not to like maybin?

isn’t that kinda jumping the gun…to make up your mind on a guy before he even suits it up for one game…

you can like the pick or not…but to not like maybin?

by tiimbitz4786 on May 20, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions  

if you didn’t like Maybin before – and you had every reason to

Brian was saying that you should have like Maybin before.

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by poz on May 20, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, this. Maybin was one of my favorites entering the draft.

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by Brian Galliford on May 20, 2009 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s see the kid play in real games and show he’s worth the 11th overall pick first. Picking a fight with a backup lineman in practice doesn’t change my views on him.

He’s still a young and inexperienced one year wonder that comes out of college looking more like James Hardy than Bruce Smith.

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by BillsNYC on May 20, 2009 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think thats an unfair comment.

First of all James Hardy is still developping and most WR’s aren’t production until their third of forth years.

Second, DE’s have just about as bad of a learning curve as WR’s, which is why he’s going to be situational this year.

Third, to expect this kid to look like Bruce Smith at any point in his career is ludacris, never mind in his rookie season. Bruce is the all-tmie leader in sack in NFL history. To expect Maybin to be a Bruce Smith close is setting the bar at a hight that can never be reached. Never mind the fact that they are entirely different types of DE’s.

Now if you were going to say that you expect him to look like Dwight Freeney you might have an argument, but right now your really stretching it.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 20, 2009 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

“To expect Maybin to be a Bruce Smith close..” should read “Bruce Smith clone”…. damn dyslexia.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 20, 2009 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was referring to him looking more like a WR than a DE…….

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by BillsNYC on May 20, 2009 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

How is that even possible when He’s rushing the QB? I don’ get it?

Unless you mean that he has some sort of prima dona attitude. But that too is an unfair comment. You’d be calling aybin full of himself because he takes his role seriously and plays with fire and passion. How is that a bad thing?

by CanadianBillsFan on May 20, 2009 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybin is tall and lanky….Hardy is tall and lanky….Maybin LOOKS like a wide receiver, he’s tall and thin…I’m questioning his weight. You’re looking WAYYY to much into what I’m saying man.

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by BillsNYC on May 20, 2009 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I probably am.

And in that case, I agree with you, he could use to add on another 10 to 15 pounds.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 20, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

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by BillsNYC on May 20, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

jason taylor seems to do just fine being tall lanky, and i'd have to throw lean in there

i’d have to put him in the same mold of a jason taylor type, or even a julius peppers after a year or two in an NFL work out program.. i’m not worried about him.. he’ll be fine.. this guy may be a back-up but he’s still an NFL calliber tackle, and is the size of your prototypical tackle.. sure he may not be as talented, but i’ll take maybin over anyother DE in this draft at this point…

i’d rather have a guy who’s a little lanky that has good arm reach an elite first step so that the tackles can’t get on him then a thick stocky guy w/ shorter arms who has average quickness..

by Shovel51 on May 20, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Taylor would have been a better comparison, but the point was made…

by NorCal BillsFan on May 20, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevermind

Should have read Shovel51’s comments first…

by NorCal BillsFan on May 20, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love Maybin's fire

The kid’s showing some guts and desire. Gotta loe that, even in May.

As for Butler, It’s nothing to be too worried about right now, I think that he will need some time to grow into his new role, so lets give him so time. But it is something to keep an eye on.

I like what I hear from Nelson though, I’d like to see what he can do on the first team, maybe see if Trent and him can connect for a few passes.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 20, 2009 1:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Why the heck does Youboty always seem hurt this time of year? Does he constantly slip on the stairs or something?

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by poz on May 20, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol, how that relates to anything I said I’m not sure, but ok, i’ll go with it…

Umm… I think injury prone is the word. I think if he stubs his toe he takes a week off. We just need to wait and see how long he’ll be out this time… and how long we have to wait until the next time he’s out.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 20, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha!!

actually had nothing to do with what you were saying but I had to rant on that and I always enjoy our banter. Saw you had posted and just threw it out there! haha…I spend way too much time on this blog. And the fact that I immediately wrote that comment directed at you means you do to!

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by poz on May 20, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me? Spend too much time on this blog? Impossible!

There is no such thing as spend too much time on this blog! ;-)

by CanadianBillsFan on May 20, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s still recovering from his injury from last year.

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by Brian Galliford on May 20, 2009 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

once he's healthy this has to be his last chance... if he can't stay on the field at least 12 of the 16 games this year...assuming he makes it through camp and makes the roster....get him out of here... i have no time for these type of guys

to me it’s just amazing how some players, at all levels HS – NFL, get hurt year in and year out, and other guys never get injured. now those guys that don’t get injure of course they get hurt, and play through pain, and are tough players.. sometimes i wonder if it’s that certain guys can’t deal w/ the pain as much as others for minor injuries so they sit… and of course i do realize that injuries occur and they are just freak accidents at times.. but i also think that some guys sit out 2-3 weeks for an injury that others play through..

by Shovel51 on May 20, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't it a serious injury...

I mean it happens…whether you’re Youboty, Shawne mErriman, Jim Kelly, the DE from the Giants last year…whomever…even Lynch misses a few games a year (not from suspension)
Injuries suck

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by killascript on May 20, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

i know and that's why my i said "and of course i do realize that injuries occur and they are just freak accidents at times"

but w/ him it’s been every single year since he’s been in this league, and last year he was on the chopping block and finally actually looked like he knew how to play football, only to get hurt a 2 or 3 games into the season..

i understand completely they are just part of the game, but no matter how good a guy is he’s not helping your team if he’s not on the field..

It’s just something i’ve always wondered some guys are banged up beat up injured all the time and others play 15 years and don’t miss a game.. crazy.. that’s all… i wish youboty was in the later category but unfortunately i think he’s in the first..

by Shovel51 on May 20, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

the kid knows how to play football.

I agree with you about the injuries really making this somewhat decisive year for youboty, but I ever questioned his ability to play. I thought coming out of ohio he was going to be super productive 3rd round pick. He’s shown he’s one of the best open field tacklers on the team, nice and aggressive on passes and a true nickel who can also blitz. If he stays healthy, and I know from past history we have very little to believe he will, he’s got the nickel CB spot.

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by NeverendingOptimism on May 20, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

alls he's shown is flashes he hasn't been on the field long enough to even know he is..

i don’t think he’s been on the field enough to say for sure one way or the other..

by Shovel51 on May 20, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but I got the feeling that it’s those flashes that are keeping him on this team… and probably in the league. I love the kid, but I honestly don’t think that any other team would take him on because of his constant injuries.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 20, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed.. i like what he's been capable of when on the field (especially last year)

i just hope he can play a full season this year, because not only will it help his career, but he could really help this franchise out

by Shovel51 on May 21, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would be interested in knowing why Butler is getting beat

If it is his foot work, hand positioning, etc, then that can be fixed. If it is because he lacks the speed needed to play the position, then that is a big concern. You can’t teach speed!

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by Joe P. on May 20, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

But there are no pads….what exactly can we take from this with no contact??

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by Kurupt on May 20, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am not saying there is a problem

I am saying I would like to know if/what the problem is. Even without pads, you can evaluate footwork, hand position, etc.

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by Joe P. on May 20, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

And if this was for real, Kelsay would be forced to run 5 yards to the outside of Butler and therefore be removed from the play. Even in this practice, it’s probably possible Kelsay got the edge and therefore the “sack” but he was probably still out of position. That’s what Kelsay does. No pads = Cardio with bumping. It’s really hard to draw any conclusions, it’s nice to talk about live football again, though.

I think through all of this we just need to remember, for everyone but the rookies, what kind of player they are on game day. Butler will be fine. Kelsay will be Kelsay.

by syrbillsfan on May 20, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t Trent allowed to audible last year?!?

Good to see Nelson getting comfortable.

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by Kurupt on May 20, 2009 2:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah it seems like we have heard this before. I can’t remember if it was about Trent last year or JP a couple of years back. I like the idea of the QB getting involved in playcalling, but I like it as a practice even more than an idea. Stop saying it, and make it happen on the field.

by Seattlite on May 20, 2009 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

But if you recall because of Peters missing training camp they were only able to do it on a limited basis. At least that’s what I remember somebody from the organization saying.

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by MattRichWarren on May 20, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the fact that he’s doing into more frequantly in the OTA’s now means that by the time the season starts we should see it as a mainstay in our offece… or at least I’M hopping.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 20, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Levi Jones

If Butler continues to struggle maybe signing Jones isnt a bad option

by mustafa on May 20, 2009 3:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Doesn’t make Jones a better option. Now signing Jon Runyon to play RT and moving Butler back to RG on the other hand…

by CanadianBillsFan on May 20, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’ll keep their options open.

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by Brian Galliford on May 20, 2009 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love that Kelsay is so bad at the pass rush

That we automatically know that Butler has to be the problem.

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by BillsNYC on May 20, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey wait now it could just be that Kelsey got bet… bet… bettrr… sorry I just can’t say, it’s not possible, he can’t have.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 20, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kelsay is good at the pass rush in practice, especially with no pads on. At game time, not so much. That’s the problem with him, he’s the Rob Johnson of defensive ends. Looks great in the weight room, on paper and in practice. Put pads on and against actual opponents and he runs himself right out of plays with stunning regularity.

by syrbillsfan on May 20, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Without pads on, what do you want him to do?

He can’t really pop Kelsay. Butler’s game is built on physicality. He’s a mauler not a dancer.

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by MattRichWarren on May 20, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s been my concern about moving Butler to RT. There was a reason why Jim McNally switched him to RG. Also, at 315 Butler is not the best size for a RT. Usually they re the biggest guys on the o-line. He does have a lot of basic talent, and so he may be ok in the end, but I for one won’t be surprised if Chambers or Bell ends up at RT and if Butler goes back inside.

by Macktruck on May 20, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the fire out of maybin.. everyone is playing for a spot here and trying impress i'd be pissed if i was getting held too.. and if i was an OT i'd pry hold like that if i got beat..

also i’m not too worried about butler, his style will show up when the pads go on.. and kelsay isn’t a pushover.. i’m glad he’s pushing butler.. that’s what he needs right now.. he’ll be fine when the pads go on..
also i havn’t heard much about langston so that’s a good sign ap apparently he hasn’t gotten beat yet? or if he has i havn’t heard about it.. he hasn’t given up any wood be sacks so that’s good.. he is the one i’m a little more worried about anyways..

and would you expect anything less from nelson? this kid should be doing this all year.. at least i hope..

by Shovel51 on May 20, 2009 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybin

I hear that Maybin has been very impressive, but that he also talks an awful lot. for a rookie without a down in the NFL. Perhaps a bit too much for some of the Vets. Sciuffles like this are good—to a point.

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by Geronimo on May 20, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Well...

Its not like hes shoving with one of the starting players. Plus its early and if his hardwork is what is a constant, and not his mouth, then he will gain the respect of the team. HAve to see how it all plays out

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by killascript on May 20, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

where do you hear these things?? that he talks an awful lot?

i know at rookie camp he broke the huddle, verbally tried to motivate his teammates while doing drills to push them and get the best out of them.. we need someone on this team to do that.. and now he has gotten into a little scuffle, which sounds basically like nothing, i’m glad to see he isn’t takng anything from denman, who the hell is he anyway.. maybin should stand up for himself he’s trying to prove he’s worth the 11th pick, and i’d be a little upset if this guy held me on a play too if i were him… i think we need a guy w/ a little fire on this squad.. that’s intense and will try to motivate verbally, because we already have plenty of guys who try and lead by example only (which is fine), and i think maybin is a guy that could do both for us in time (lead verbally and by example)..

like already mentioned i havn’t heard anything from the vets about this, or him getting into it w/ a starter on this team, or him even being as vocal during OTA’s as he was during rookie camp (and i’m sure if that were the case chris brown would report as he did during rookie camp), i don’t see a problem anywhere.. it’s how he plays the game, as long as he ends up producing and busting his butt i don’t see how anyone could have a problem w/ that…

by Shovel51 on May 20, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nick from WGR went on the rookie tour with them and said...

Robert Royal talked too much.
Maybin tallks more than Royal.

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by MattRichWarren on May 20, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

wasn't royal respected in the locker room?

when did he say this? as in what environment was maybin in? was it at rookie camp around all the other rookies? if so it doesn’t really pertain to this debate because we are talking about OTA’s w/ the other vets in the building.. . for a radio personality to say he talks to much is like the pot calling the kettle black… to me there is nothing wrong w/ talking to much if you’re saying the right things, it’s when people talk just to talk is when it becomes a bit much..

i’d just like to know what type of environment maybin was in and what type of things he was saying? i mean if he’s acting like a know it all then i agree there is no room for that

by Shovel51 on May 20, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why can't you just accept that he likes to run his mouth?

Is it out of the realm of possibility? It was on the rookie tour around Buffalo. All he said was that Maybin talks a lot. More than too much.

He never said he was acting like a know it all or an arrogant jerk, he just said he likes to talk a lot. That is going to irritate people in the locker room and out of it.

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by MattRichWarren on May 20, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

i can accept that.. but there is also a difference in "running your mouth" and talking a lot as far as i'm concerned..

i think when people say things like this it’s about the context in which these things are said.. and the words they use to describe someone.. that’s all i’m saying.. and who are you to say what is and isn’t accepted in the locker room? as i said royal talked a lot and he was respected in the locker room.. it’s an NFL locker room there are several different personalities and guys from all walks of life.. as it was for all these guys in high school and in college, so i’m really not too worried about it and i was just saying that i don’t see it being an issue unless he is arrogant or a know it all..

by Shovel51 on May 20, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And who are you to say Royal was respected in the locker room?

The people around these guys a lot, beat reporters and guys like that, have said Maybin talks a lot. Not in a good or bad way, but he was likened to the Fresh Prince of Bel Air on WGR. If you don’t back that up with production people get irritated. Maybe he will but right now he hasn’t yet.

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by MattRichWarren on May 20, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said he wasn't.

The guy said Royal talks a lot. Nobody said people got pissed at him for it. The guy says Maybin talks a lot. If he stinks people are going to be irritated that he is running his mouth and not backing it up.

Done.

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by MattRichWarren on May 21, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

WGR echos the thought on Maybin.

He talks too much.

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by MattRichWarren on May 20, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love that Maybin is jawing already. I may break my promise and go buy a Maybin jersey.

Ray Lewis and John Randle are two big talkers that come to mind. Didn’t TKO talk a lot? We can use the attitude and energy. Some of the guys played a little one on one after OTAs. Here is a clip :-) Turn sound off at work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZrRVNbVbCE

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by Joe P. on May 20, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

McKelvin seems to be seeing TO a good portion as well

I think thats great for 28’s development, and Im going try and be more reserved and cautious, but its good to hit the ground running.

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by killascript on May 20, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah – having our corners and safeties cover Lee/TO/Reed every day is sweet. Defiantely going to help 28’s progress

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by J2 on May 20, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

My points of note.
Nelson has been split out a good portion of the time over the first two days of practices.

-Glad McKelvin and McGee are lining up against T.O. I keep saying it but they are getting a great education.

-Why was Ko Simpson at starting FS ahead of George Wilson? I like Wilson better at that spot.

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by MattRichWarren on May 20, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

by June we will see a battle of the"Bells" for LT

as Walker goes back to RT. IMHO, the Butler experiment will be short lived.

 By the way, anyone catch anything on how much Langston weighs yet?

by BuffaloChip on May 20, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

It's all up to Trent and this OL

to use these OTA’s to try and get on the same page. There’s no doubt that if Trent gets the blocking he will every reason to succeed.

I absolutely LOOOOOVE that Maybin talks a lot. He self-motivates himself. Who cares if he pisses off his teammates as long as he produces. Bravado and swagger area great thing to have as long as you have the talent to back it up, which Maybin from a physical standpoint clearly does. I do wonder how Demetrius Bell is doing. Have yet to hear anything on him.

And to hear Nelson catching seam-passes in traffic…well I just about wet my pants because I’ve been clamoring for that for years. The pieces are in place, the question is can the OL protect and can Trent not hold onto the ball for 8 secs vs 8-man zone coverage

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by MARVelous on May 20, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

with you on Maybin

but not to the “wet my pants” stage yet :-)

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by Joe P. on May 20, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m happy to see that I’m not the only one that thinks so.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 20, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

catching seam passes in traffic – how awesome is that?

I’ve been watching some of the classic Bills’ games on Youtube, more from the early 80s than from the early 90s, and the one thing that struck me was just how successful Ferguson was that year with his rookie TE Mark Brammer taking over Reuben Gant’s starting spot. Fergie went to Brammer all the time that year, and that seems to have been a huge part of that offense’s success (Joe Cribbs and the Oline was, of course, another huge part).

by thefourwinds on May 20, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

When was the last time you heard of any rookie mixing it up with a veteran on his second day practicing with his new team?

When was the last time somebody called Chris Denman a vet? But seriously, I don’t really view the scuffles as good or bad things. It could have happened because Maybin is fiery and was beating Denman consistently and kept getting held, or maybe Maybin is just an immature 21 year old who is more of a cry baby than a pro athlete.

Brad Butler potentially struggling is just one of the many reasons why drafting two interior lineman under the assumption that Walker can play LT was a terrible plan. You would think that Buffalo going out and making three offensive lineman some of their big additions would lead to a line that won’t need to add another player next offseason.

by kaisertown on May 20, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Uh..okay it's May....so give Butler a lil time here
Brad Butler potentially struggling is just one of the many reasons why drafting two interior lineman under the assumption that Walker can play LT was a terrible plan

Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009

by norcaliangelsfan on May 20, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did say potentially. It may only be May, but it’s also Chris Kelsay. And I do actually have a lot of faith in Brad Butler. My point is that there are so many ways this offensive line could need reshuffling (basically adding of new LT) that Buffalo is probably going to end up looking stupid for never adding one. I just can’t see a scenario where all five of these guys are still starting for us next year and that makes me believe that drafting Wood AND Levitre was the most short-sighted offseason decision I think I’ve ever seen Buffalo make.

I don’t understand how so many people can be comfortable with Buffalo taking one of the biggest and slowest right tackles in the entire league and turning him into a historically large LT. And at the same time, take a career guard and slide him out to RT. Blind optimism is the only reason I can come up with.

by kaisertown on May 20, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have been with you on this one from the start, kaisertown.

It is early and maybe it will all work out. But to be confident it will is certainly optimistic.

How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?

by Joe P. on May 20, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Butler played his whole college career at RT. I think it’s just a lack of physicality without the pads.

“he’s the Rob Johnson of defensive ends” syrbillsfan is dead on.

Butler would win that battle if he could fully play. Let’s wait until the pads are on.

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by NeverendingOptimism on May 20, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

boy its butler's 2nd day of practice at RT and our starting LE for the last 7years kelsay has made 3 plays on him, not to mention w/o pads on...boy buffalo blew this one

actually i’d be even more worried if kelsay didn’t make any plays, i’d really be wondering what the heck are the bills doing wasting there time on this guy, when a guy who has 2 days at RT in OTA’s is owning him.. i’m not at all worried, put this in perspective.. now if kelsay is beating him consistantly 2 weeks into training camp, and he’s consistatnly giving up plays in the first few pre-season games then i might start to get worried..

i would expect kelsay to beat him some plays in a no pads practice, he’s quicker and more athletic, this is kelsays element where butler is out of his..as i said i would be more worried about kelsay if he didn’t flash from time to time in this setting…

by Shovel51 on May 20, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Brown.... "a fresh of breath air"

under “the other benefit of TO”

You practice how you play, so that’s a good thing as I see it.

Isn’t it, “You play how you practice”?

How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?

by Joe P. on May 20, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Just my opinion

Just my opinion but I believe Maybin is going to become a star, we will see flashes this year while he learns. He has the physical ability to play in the NFL but what sets him apart is that he has the mental capacity to excel and will become a leader. If he talks too much so what so did Biscuit and so does TO if it fires the team up I don’t care if he is reciting poetry or Mary has a little Lamb.

Bruce Smith he is NOT, nobody is. Don’t forget that Bruce wasn’t an instant star and struggled his 1st year.

As far as Butler struggling with Kelsay it is only OTA’s and he has to get used to being back at RT.

Yo—Booty is Yo-Brittle and will get traded or cut, too many young DB’s that could secure a roster spot instead of a player that gets hurt tying his spikes…

by Goose22 on May 20, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Didn't....

….Bruce start 80% of the games in his first year and have like 6 or 7 sacks? He came out of college with very close measurements to Bruce who was just shy of 450. I expect BIG things from Aaron, his first step is a natural gift and with improvement at the hands he WILL be very good.

by Buffalo Mo on May 20, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

correction....

Bruce was listed at 275 his senior year. I can still hope for big things from Maybin though.

by Buffalo Mo on May 20, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember talking to Jim Kelly on a radio call-in show after Bruce’s rookie season (lived in AZ at the time). Kelly and I talked about how disappointed Bruce was not to get named to the Pro Bowl. So his first season couldn’t have been that bad if there was even a thought he might have gotten a Pro Bowl nod.

by thefourwinds on May 20, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bruce 1985

The big knock on Bruce his first couple of years was that he didn’t play the run well. Kelly might have thought Bruce should have made the Pro bowl, but Howie Long, Gastineau and Rulon Jones were voted in. Kelly could see the future greatness of Bruuuuuce!!!!!!

by Goose22 on May 20, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jaw it up Maybin.

just back up your words.

Delightfully Ignoring The Truth since 1995.

by NeverendingOptimism on May 20, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

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