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OT Walker the sure-fire starter at LT (photo source)

Once the Buffalo Bills bit the bullet in mid April and decided to trade two-time Pro Bowl left tackle Jason Peters to Philadelphia, the dominant question surrounding the team has been centered on the void created by the move. Once the Bills exited draft weekend with the position unchanged, it became pretty clear that veteran right tackle Langston Walker would be making the move to the left side - even when other, proven options (such as former Bengals LT Levi Jones) were suddenly available.

There is a great deal of skepticism surrounding the decision to make the 6'8", 366-pound Walker the new blind-side protector for still-developing and injury-prone starting quarterback Trent Edwards. The team is obviously comfortable with it; when you trade a two-time Pro Bowl player and subsequently do not draft or sign a competent replacement, chances are you're pretty high on the guy you're using as a replacement.

Mark Gaughan of the Buffalo News talked to Walker about his move to Edwards' blind side after day two's OTA practice in Orchard Park. After a 2008 season in which the departed player (the aforementioned Peters) was far more distracting than he was beneficial to the team, Buffalo's new starting left tackle is understandably (and intelligently) keeping a low profile:

"I'm not worried," Walker said. "I've done it before and I'll do it again. I'll do it [as long as] they continue to ask me to."

Gaughan goes on to point out a relevant discussion point, aided by the opinions of offensive line coach Sean Kugler: Walker is a proven commodity as a pass protector, and that should help make his transition to the left side a bit smoother. Kugler agreed, pointing out the following:

"Langston is an accomplished pass blocker at both right and left tackle. It's just the repetition with his feet. Everything's a switch. But he's done it before. So we're confident. He was successful when he did it."

Folks tend to focus on the athleticism and "big, but not too big" qualities when it comes to projecting quality left tackles. Sometimes, however, sheer size can win out; Walker is underrated athletically, and with a full five months until the regular season kicks off, he's got time to get used to his new footwork techniques and grow accustomed to whichever player (likely rookie Andy Levitre) is lining up next to him on the line.

I'll say it this way: everything I'm hearing and reading at this point has the Bills far more worried about their right tackle position than their left. Walker will be fine, folks. He's played tackle in this league for a while, and he's done it at a consistently solid clip. The right side, however, will feature either a converted guard that used to play tackle in college (Brad Butler), a former street free agent that may not necessarily have a position and isn't as valuable in the starting lineup (Kirk Chambers), or a second-year player with only limited football experience (Demetrius Bell).

DE Kelsay improving under Sanders' tutelage?
We spoke briefly this morning about the fact that veteran DE Chris Kelsay has been surprisingly active during the early (non-contact) portions of the Bills' OTAs. We chalked up his two 'would-be' sacks to the inconsistent play of the previously mentioned Butler at right tackle; Sal Maiorana at the Democrat and Chronicle, however, thinks that it may actually be an improvement out of Kelsay. In talking with the veteran end, this little nugget sounded delightful to the pass-rush-starved ears of Bills fans:

"I've been taught some stuff by [defensive line coach Bob] Sanders that seems like common sense in terms of rushing the passer, but it's stuff I've never been taught," [Kelsay] said. "I'm not taking anything away from Tim (Krumrie) or Bill (Kollar) who were great coaches, but coach Sanders tells me, he shows me on the field and then backs it up on the film by showing me guys who look and play similar to me.

If there's one defender on Buffalo's roster that should be motivated, it's Kelsay. He's constantly made the central scapegoat figure for an anemic Bills pass rush - particularly after last season's Aaron Schobel-less effort - and the Bills have drafted two defensive ends over the past two seasons in an effort to help the situation out. With Schobel returning, Aaron Maybin making a strong impression early and other options in the fold, Kelsay is fighting to retain his starting spot and, more importantly, the considerable amount of playing time he's seen in recent seasons.

I realize that folks will remain skeptical about Sanders' potential influence on Kelsay's sack totals - as you should - but to scoff at something like this is premature. The motivation is there, and a new position coach can help. Remain skeptical, but if this is the Kelsay we'll see in 2009 - clearly not explosive, but active and able to grind out more than his customary two sacks - that's obviously something the team will benefit from. Keep your fingers crossed, folks - if Kelsay can move into the five-sack range, that's going to mean good things for Buffalo's real pass rushers, Schobel and Maybin.

Pisa Tinoisamoa update: Bills still in play
ESPN.com's Tim Graham provides an update on free agent LB Pisa Tinoisamoa, who visited team headquarters last week: the Bills are still in play.

Tinoisamoa will visit the Bears and Eagles in the near future, then decide between the three franchises. I'm sure you've read the reports that say that Tinoisamoa is looking for starter's money and that the Bills won't get into a bidding war for the veteran 'backer; the cautious approach is warranted. Tinoisamoa isn't a game-changer defensively; he's a starter, certainly, but you don't overpay for hole-pluggers in this league. If the Bills are able to land Tinoisamoa to start alongside Kawika Mitchell and Paul Posluszny, great. If not - well, let's just say the difference between a Bills defense with Tinoisamoa and a defense without him is negligible to the point where getting too upset is misguided.

The Bills are continuing OTA practice sessions today. We'll have our customary day three discussion post on today's festivities later on this evening.

Poll
Which likely starting OT are you most worried about heading into the 2009 season?
Langston Walker @ LT
254 votes
Brad Butler @ RT
430 votes

684 votes | Poll has closed

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My biggest concern regarding the offensive line is the ability of all five starters to gel. Although Buffalo retains two starters on the O-line, both have switched positions, meaning the team is five for five with players in new positions up front. That’s scary and it will surely result in some growing pains early on.

I’m going to file the Kelsey improvement under “I’ll believe it when I see it” category.

the Bills are able to land Tinoisamoa to start alongside Kawika Mitchell and Paul Posluszny, great. If not – well, let’s just say the difference between a Bills defense with Tinoisamoa and a defense without him is negligible to the point where getting too upset is misguided.

I agree that Tinoisamoa is not a game-changer and I will not be too upset if he doesn’t become a Buffalo Bill, but I think you discount the difference between a defense where Keith Ellison is a starter and one where he is not. It’s certainly not negligible. Ellison is a liability when he is on the field, plain and simple. I understand that the team uses several packages that do not require Ellison’s services, but when they do, he is rarely found in a position that is a benefit to the team. Tinoisamoa is a solid, if unspectacular starter. He also has a history of creating plays, something lacking on Ellison’s resume. So yeah, I’m not going to rant and rave if he chooses another team, but his addition would make this defense better – and it would be more than negligible.

John I.

by jri111 on May 20, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll leave the Pisa stuff alone because I have no idea how much he would improve the Bills.

But how long does it take for an OLine to gel? I really would like to know.

They are beginning to work together right now. SO they will have June, July, and August before playing any real game. 3 months should be enough time to get on the same page. Maybe it won’t be perfect but it will be OK. Maybe I’m wrong.

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by MattRichWarren on May 20, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

practice settings only can do much….it’s game action that really allows offensive lines to gel. Starting possibly 2 rookies and having even the rookies playing new positions is asking a lot. Only Hangartner is continuing at his same position from last season. I think it will take a long time, and the biggest hope has to be is that the OL improves throughout the course of the season…the coaching staff has to hope that by working through 11 OTA’s, 2-3 mini camps, and the 6 weeks of training camp come the end of the July and then by working hard as they can throughout the season, that by November/December when games REALLY count (exhibit last season’s 5-1 and then 2-8 debacle) that the OL gets better. What’s worse is if for some reason Butler doesn’t ease back to RT, do they then move him back to RG, and move Wood to LG? That would be asking a lot, and then put Chambers or Bell at RT.

Anyhow this is easily the biggest concern because this whole offense is going to rely on this OL going against elaborate defensive scheming from those 3-4 fronts in our divison as well as some of the best DL in the NFL in Seymor, Wilfork, Jenkins, etc

MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens

by MARVelous on May 20, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another way to view it

There’s another way to view the situation at RT — namely, we are going to have real competition there during TC, with three capable guys (Butler, Chambers and Bell) all pushing themselves to get better and win the starting job. Another factor in this equation is Levitre. People should not automatically assume he is ready to start. He may well need a full year in the offseason conditioning program to get strong enough in his lower body before he can pass protect at the NFL level. I agree with everything Brian says in his piece except for his comment about Chambers. The fact that he was a street FA is irrelevant. What we do know is that he has performed well whenever he has been plugged in at either RT or LT. It’s not a disaster at all if he emerges as the #1 RT for 2009. And if Bell proves that he is far enough along to win the position, that’s even better. The trick is to get the best five men on the field — and it is way too early to be sure yet who they are.

by Macktruck on May 20, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s obvious to me by our line last year that “gelling” is overrated. All you need is five guys who work together and to give their best on every play. That didn’t happen last year. It’s not that Peters and Dockery did much worse than was expected overall, it’s that on any given play one or the other wasn’t on the same page. Also, Preston wasn’t on the same page as anyone. Our run blocking wasn’t very good as a result. I thinkhaving individually dominant o-line guys can work in pass protection, but doesn’t work in run blocking. The guys we brought in over the offseason are a much better fit interms of the schemes the Bills are trying to implement for running.

by syrbillsfan on May 20, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

O-Line gel period?

It really does depend on the line…I dont think the coachs nor us fans can really put a time table on how long it will take for the line to come togther. I think alot of it depends on how well Wodd and Levitre can adapt to the schemes. Hang has had time to learn the playbook and from what sources have said about how smart he is it should not be a problem. That fact in itself has alot to do with the geling of the line. A smart center that can make the line call’s allows rookies and lineman at new positions adjustment a much easier transistion, that atleast my take on the situation!

by danntheman on May 20, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Very persuasive Brian

I can’t believe more people are more worried about RT, I imagine your persuasive writing had something to do with it : ) I voted for Langston though. I think he will be fine, not spectacular, but I’m more worried about LT because we don’t really have better options if he stinks and because it is such an important position. I’m confident that Chambers and maybe Bell will be fine at RT. I remain unimpressed by Butler (as I’ve mentioned in other posts) and I hope Bell steps up and takes over sooner rather than later.

Nevertheless, though weaker at the edges, I like our O-line on paper this year better than last.

by thejimbo on May 20, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I am with you. I was just writing something similiar......you beat me to it :-)

How can people not be worried about our blind side? Plus, we destroyed any of the continuity our line had to move Walker to LT. If it doesn’t work out….what a waste.

How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?

by Joe P. on May 20, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think continuity counts when it’s only one player not moving. And didn’t Walker play the first two games last year at LT (both wins)?

by Krenn on May 20, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is more than one player

Walker and Butler were the bright spots on the O-line last year. Now, Walker is at LT and Butler at RT. I would feel more comfortable with 2 question marks at LT (like Chambers or signing Jones) with a lineup like Chambers/Jones ? – Wood ? – Hangarter – Bulter – Walker, than 4 question marks with Walker ? – Levitre ? – Hangartner – Wood ? – Butler?

How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?

by Joe P. on May 20, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually just thinking about how worrisome it was that I have more faith in Hangartner to be solid this year than any other Bills offensive lineman. And it’s probably even worse that a late first / early second round prospect in Eric Wood is the guy I am second most confident in despite the fact that he is a rookie who is changing positions. This OL is question mark central.

by kaisertown on May 20, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I have more confidence in Wood at RG than Walker at LT also.

How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?

by Joe P. on May 20, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have more confidence in every other starting OL than I do of Walker at LT

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 21, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but that doesn,t mean that Walker wont do a good job as a LT either.

I think that it’s just too early to judge the line right now. Come back to be in july with this issue.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 21, 2009 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying he won’t. In fact, as a whole, I bet he does a pretty darn good job. I’m just worried that his mistakes are going to be crushing mistakes…I also don’t know if he will be able to handle all the pass rushers he’s going to be facing this year. His run blocking should be fine.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 22, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll agree with you on that. The potential for him to give up as many sacks as Peters did last year is there. But the Bills can also plan around that, they expect him to screw up now and then. They didn’t expect Peters to be that incompetant last year.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 22, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It blows my mind that you are in the minority!

"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy

by Jason from OH-IO on May 21, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should have a third option in the poll: I am equally worried about both. That would be me.

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by sireric on May 20, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

i just think

people forget that Derek Fine or adding a RB is an easy solution to Walker’s side. The right side you ain’t going to do that cuz Trent can see what’s coming over there and you got to have 3 options in the pattern at least.

MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens

by MARVelous on May 20, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That takes away an outlet receiver though

Therefore not a “good” solution.

"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy

by Jason from OH-IO on May 21, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe the no-huddle

will take some pressure off the o-line, assuming the Bills really do use it. Keeping defenses off-balance can only help matters, so long as Walker doesn’t collapse from exhaustion.

by dzil on May 20, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

PURE propoganda

How can Gaugan make a statement like:

Langston is an accomplished pass blocker at both right and left tackle.

and have us beleive anything in the article. How many games has he played at LT? Less than a handfull? How can he be “accomplished”, get real.

I will sat it again. Langston IS NOT athletic enough to be effective at LT. The Buffalo Bills have no other options. The reason Walker is the starting LT in Buffalo is:
1) The un-repairable rift between the Bill’s and Jason Peters.
2) The fact that Andre Smith was not available at #11.
3) The fact that the Bills were not happy with Oher (did not think he was the answer)
4) Levi Jones is not healthy, wants too much money, or the Bills don’t find him as “the answer”
5) He is the best avalaible tackle on the roster.

"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy

by Jason from OH-IO on May 20, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice video

This play exemplifies Walker’s inability to regroup after he makes a mistake. He isn’t athletic enough to miss any blocks on speed rushers.

Why Lanston Walker Scares me at LT!

"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy

by Jason from OH-IO on May 20, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I have no worries about Butler or Walker.....

both have proven to be hard workers and have proven they’ll do whatever it takes to be successful………

Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009

by norcaliangelsfan on May 20, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m much, much, much more worried about Walker on the left side, than Butler at RT.

Has this week cemented Chris Kelsay’s status as practice hero extraordinaire?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 21, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Has this week cemented Chris Kelsay’s status as practice hero extraordinaire?

I really think it has. And come Spetember, it will once again cement his status as play-time disapointement extraordinaire.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 21, 2009 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope Maybin works his way to the top so Kelsay only sees 20 snaps or so a game.

by syrbillsfan on May 21, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

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