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OT Walker the sure-fire starter at LT (photo source)

Once the Buffalo Bills bit the bullet in mid April and decided to trade two-time Pro Bowl left tackle Jason Peters to Philadelphia, the dominant question surrounding the team has been centered on the void created by the move. Once the Bills exited draft weekend with the position unchanged, it became pretty clear that veteran right tackle Langston Walker would be making the move to the left side - even when other, proven options (such as former Bengals LT Levi Jones) were suddenly available.

There is a great deal of skepticism surrounding the decision to make the 6'8", 366-pound Walker the new blind-side protector for still-developing and injury-prone starting quarterback Trent Edwards. The team is obviously comfortable with it; when you trade a two-time Pro Bowl player and subsequently do not draft or sign a competent replacement, chances are you're pretty high on the guy you're using as a replacement.

Mark Gaughan of the Buffalo News talked to Walker about his move to Edwards' blind side after day two's OTA practice in Orchard Park. After a 2008 season in which the departed player (the aforementioned Peters) was far more distracting than he was beneficial to the team, Buffalo's new starting left tackle is understandably (and intelligently) keeping a low profile:

"I'm not worried," Walker said. "I've done it before and I'll do it again. I'll do it [as long as] they continue to ask me to."

Gaughan goes on to point out a relevant discussion point, aided by the opinions of offensive line coach Sean Kugler: Walker is a proven commodity as a pass protector, and that should help make his transition to the left side a bit smoother. Kugler agreed, pointing out the following:

"Langston is an accomplished pass blocker at both right and left tackle. It's just the repetition with his feet. Everything's a switch. But he's done it before. So we're confident. He was successful when he did it."

Folks tend to focus on the athleticism and "big, but not too big" qualities when it comes to projecting quality left tackles. Sometimes, however, sheer size can win out; Walker is underrated athletically, and with a full five months until the regular season kicks off, he's got time to get used to his new footwork techniques and grow accustomed to whichever player (likely rookie Andy Levitre) is lining up next to him on the line.

I'll say it this way: everything I'm hearing and reading at this point has the Bills far more worried about their right tackle position than their left. Walker will be fine, folks. He's played tackle in this league for a while, and he's done it at a consistently solid clip. The right side, however, will feature either a converted guard that used to play tackle in college (Brad Butler), a former street free agent that may not necessarily have a position and isn't as valuable in the starting lineup (Kirk Chambers), or a second-year player with only limited football experience (Demetrius Bell).

DE Kelsay improving under Sanders' tutelage?
We spoke briefly this morning about the fact that veteran DE Chris Kelsay has been surprisingly active during the early (non-contact) portions of the Bills' OTAs. We chalked up his two 'would-be' sacks to the inconsistent play of the previously mentioned Butler at right tackle; Sal Maiorana at the Democrat and Chronicle, however, thinks that it may actually be an improvement out of Kelsay. In talking with the veteran end, this little nugget sounded delightful to the pass-rush-starved ears of Bills fans:

"I've been taught some stuff by [defensive line coach Bob] Sanders that seems like common sense in terms of rushing the passer, but it's stuff I've never been taught," [Kelsay] said. "I'm not taking anything away from Tim (Krumrie) or Bill (Kollar) who were great coaches, but coach Sanders tells me, he shows me on the field and then backs it up on the film by showing me guys who look and play similar to me.

If there's one defender on Buffalo's roster that should be motivated, it's Kelsay. He's constantly made the central scapegoat figure for an anemic Bills pass rush - particularly after last season's Aaron Schobel-less effort - and the Bills have drafted two defensive ends over the past two seasons in an effort to help the situation out. With Schobel returning, Aaron Maybin making a strong impression early and other options in the fold, Kelsay is fighting to retain his starting spot and, more importantly, the considerable amount of playing time he's seen in recent seasons.

I realize that folks will remain skeptical about Sanders' potential influence on Kelsay's sack totals - as you should - but to scoff at something like this is premature. The motivation is there, and a new position coach can help. Remain skeptical, but if this is the Kelsay we'll see in 2009 - clearly not explosive, but active and able to grind out more than his customary two sacks - that's obviously something the team will benefit from. Keep your fingers crossed, folks - if Kelsay can move into the five-sack range, that's going to mean good things for Buffalo's real pass rushers, Schobel and Maybin.

Pisa Tinoisamoa update: Bills still in play
ESPN.com's Tim Graham provides an update on free agent LB Pisa Tinoisamoa, who visited team headquarters last week: the Bills are still in play.

Tinoisamoa will visit the Bears and Eagles in the near future, then decide between the three franchises. I'm sure you've read the reports that say that Tinoisamoa is looking for starter's money and that the Bills won't get into a bidding war for the veteran 'backer; the cautious approach is warranted. Tinoisamoa isn't a game-changer defensively; he's a starter, certainly, but you don't overpay for hole-pluggers in this league. If the Bills are able to land Tinoisamoa to start alongside Kawika Mitchell and Paul Posluszny, great. If not - well, let's just say the difference between a Bills defense with Tinoisamoa and a defense without him is negligible to the point where getting too upset is misguided.

The Bills are continuing OTA practice sessions today. We'll have our customary day three discussion post on today's festivities later on this evening.

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Which likely starting OT are you most worried about heading into the 2009 season?
Langston Walker @ LT
255 votes
Brad Butler @ RT
430 votes

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My biggest concern regarding the offensive line is the ability of all five starters to gel. Although Buffalo retains two starters on the O-line, both have switched positions, meaning the team is five for five with players in new positions up front. That’s scary and it will surely result in some growing pains early on.

I’m going to file the Kelsey improvement under “I’ll believe it when I see it” category.

the Bills are able to land Tinoisamoa to start alongside Kawika Mitchell and Paul Posluszny, great. If not – well, let’s just say the difference between a Bills defense with Tinoisamoa and a defense without him is negligible to the point where getting too upset is misguided.

I agree that Tinoisamoa is not a game-changer and I will not be too upset if he doesn’t become a Buffalo Bill, but I think you discount the difference between a defense where Keith Ellison is a starter and one where he is not. It’s certainly not negligible. Ellison is a liability when he is on the field, plain and simple. I understand that the team uses several packages that do not require Ellison’s services, but when they do, he is rarely found in a position that is a benefit to the team. Tinoisamoa is a solid, if unspectacular starter. He also has a history of creating plays, something lacking on Ellison’s resume. So yeah, I’m not going to rant and rave if he chooses another team, but his addition would make this defense better – and it would be more than negligible.

John I.

by jri111 on May 20, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll leave the Pisa stuff alone because I have no idea how much he would improve the Bills.

But how long does it take for an OLine to gel? I really would like to know.

They are beginning to work together right now. SO they will have June, July, and August before playing any real game. 3 months should be enough time to get on the same page. Maybe it won’t be perfect but it will be OK. Maybe I’m wrong.

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by MattRichWarren on May 20, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

practice settings only can do much….it’s game action that really allows offensive lines to gel. Starting possibly 2 rookies and having even the rookies playing new positions is asking a lot. Only Hangartner is continuing at his same position from last season. I think it will take a long time, and the biggest hope has to be is that the OL improves throughout the course of the season…the coaching staff has to hope that by working through 11 OTA’s, 2-3 mini camps, and the 6 weeks of training camp come the end of the July and then by working hard as they can throughout the season, that by November/December when games REALLY count (exhibit last season’s 5-1 and then 2-8 debacle) that the OL gets better. What’s worse is if for some reason Butler doesn’t ease back to RT, do they then move him back to RG, and move Wood to LG? That would be asking a lot, and then put Chambers or Bell at RT.

Anyhow this is easily the biggest concern because this whole offense is going to rely on this OL going against elaborate defensive scheming from those 3-4 fronts in our divison as well as some of the best DL in the NFL in Seymor, Wilfork, Jenkins, etc

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by MARVelous on May 20, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another way to view it

There’s another way to view the situation at RT — namely, we are going to have real competition there during TC, with three capable guys (Butler, Chambers and Bell) all pushing themselves to get better and win the starting job. Another factor in this equation is Levitre. People should not automatically assume he is ready to start. He may well need a full year in the offseason conditioning program to get strong enough in his lower body before he can pass protect at the NFL level. I agree with everything Brian says in his piece except for his comment about Chambers. The fact that he was a street FA is irrelevant. What we do know is that he has performed well whenever he has been plugged in at either RT or LT. It’s not a disaster at all if he emerges as the #1 RT for 2009. And if Bell proves that he is far enough along to win the position, that’s even better. The trick is to get the best five men on the field — and it is way too early to be sure yet who they are.

by Macktruck on May 20, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s obvious to me by our line last year that “gelling” is overrated. All you need is five guys who work together and to give their best on every play. That didn’t happen last year. It’s not that Peters and Dockery did much worse than was expected overall, it’s that on any given play one or the other wasn’t on the same page. Also, Preston wasn’t on the same page as anyone. Our run blocking wasn’t very good as a result. I thinkhaving individually dominant o-line guys can work in pass protection, but doesn’t work in run blocking. The guys we brought in over the offseason are a much better fit interms of the schemes the Bills are trying to implement for running.

by syrbillsfan on May 20, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

O-Line gel period?

It really does depend on the line…I dont think the coachs nor us fans can really put a time table on how long it will take for the line to come togther. I think alot of it depends on how well Wodd and Levitre can adapt to the schemes. Hang has had time to learn the playbook and from what sources have said about how smart he is it should not be a problem. That fact in itself has alot to do with the geling of the line. A smart center that can make the line call’s allows rookies and lineman at new positions adjustment a much easier transistion, that atleast my take on the situation!

by danntheman on May 20, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very persuasive Brian

I can’t believe more people are more worried about RT, I imagine your persuasive writing had something to do with it : ) I voted for Langston though. I think he will be fine, not spectacular, but I’m more worried about LT because we don’t really have better options if he stinks and because it is such an important position. I’m confident that Chambers and maybe Bell will be fine at RT. I remain unimpressed by Butler (as I’ve mentioned in other posts) and I hope Bell steps up and takes over sooner rather than later.

Nevertheless, though weaker at the edges, I like our O-line on paper this year better than last.

by thejimbo on May 20, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I am with you. I was just writing something similiar......you beat me to it :-)

How can people not be worried about our blind side? Plus, we destroyed any of the continuity our line had to move Walker to LT. If it doesn’t work out….what a waste.

How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?

by Joe P. on May 20, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think continuity counts when it’s only one player not moving. And didn’t Walker play the first two games last year at LT (both wins)?

by Krenn on May 20, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is more than one player

Walker and Butler were the bright spots on the O-line last year. Now, Walker is at LT and Butler at RT. I would feel more comfortable with 2 question marks at LT (like Chambers or signing Jones) with a lineup like Chambers/Jones ? – Wood ? – Hangarter – Bulter – Walker, than 4 question marks with Walker ? – Levitre ? – Hangartner – Wood ? – Butler?

How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?

by Joe P. on May 20, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was actually just thinking about how worrisome it was that I have more faith in Hangartner to be solid this year than any other Bills offensive lineman. And it’s probably even worse that a late first / early second round prospect in Eric Wood is the guy I am second most confident in despite the fact that he is a rookie who is changing positions. This OL is question mark central.

by kaisertown on May 20, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. I have more confidence in Wood at RG than Walker at LT also.

How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?

by Joe P. on May 20, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have more confidence in every other starting OL than I do of Walker at LT

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 21, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, but that doesn,t mean that Walker wont do a good job as a LT either.

I think that it’s just too early to judge the line right now. Come back to be in july with this issue.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 21, 2009 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying he won’t. In fact, as a whole, I bet he does a pretty darn good job. I’m just worried that his mistakes are going to be crushing mistakes…I also don’t know if he will be able to handle all the pass rushers he’s going to be facing this year. His run blocking should be fine.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 22, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll agree with you on that. The potential for him to give up as many sacks as Peters did last year is there. But the Bills can also plan around that, they expect him to screw up now and then. They didn’t expect Peters to be that incompetant last year.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 22, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It blows my mind that you are in the minority!

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by Jason from OH-IO on May 21, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What? you think that ppl aren’t worried about Walker at LT? Just because we don’t think that signing Jones is a good idea doesn’t mean that we’re comfortable with Walker at LT.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 21, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should have a third option in the poll: I am equally worried about both. That would be me.

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by sireric on May 20, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i just think

people forget that Derek Fine or adding a RB is an easy solution to Walker’s side. The right side you ain’t going to do that cuz Trent can see what’s coming over there and you got to have 3 options in the pattern at least.

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by MARVelous on May 20, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That takes away an outlet receiver though

Therefore not a “good” solution.

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by Jason from OH-IO on May 21, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That TE or RB doesn't have to double team the DE...

he can chip and then still be an outlet or block for two seconds and still be the outlet/dump off option. New England does that crap all the time.

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by MattRichWarren on May 21, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe the no-huddle

will take some pressure off the o-line, assuming the Bills really do use it. Keeping defenses off-balance can only help matters, so long as Walker doesn’t collapse from exhaustion.

by dzil on May 20, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PURE propoganda

How can Gaugan make a statement like:

Langston is an accomplished pass blocker at both right and left tackle.

and have us beleive anything in the article. How many games has he played at LT? Less than a handfull? How can he be “accomplished”, get real.

I will sat it again. Langston IS NOT athletic enough to be effective at LT. The Buffalo Bills have no other options. The reason Walker is the starting LT in Buffalo is:
1) The un-repairable rift between the Bill’s and Jason Peters.
2) The fact that Andre Smith was not available at #11.
3) The fact that the Bills were not happy with Oher (did not think he was the answer)
4) Levi Jones is not healthy, wants too much money, or the Bills don’t find him as “the answer”
5) He is the best avalaible tackle on the roster.

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by Jason from OH-IO on May 20, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Good list....rec'd

How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?

by Joe P. on May 20, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I figured you’d be one of the more vocal dudes to disagree… totally within your rights, and I don’t totally disagree with you. But “propaganda”? Really?

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by Brian Galliford on May 20, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Propoganda Statement

Actually that was not directed at you, Brian. It was directed at Gaugan’s statment that Langston is an accomplished pass blocker at … left tackle. That is just pure, unadultarated bull honkey. Even you have to call foul on that one, right?

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by Jason from OH-IO on May 20, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to quick, Kugler made the statement, weird?

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by Jason from OH-IO on May 20, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to clarify

The Bills are “sold” on Walker becaus they have no other options. I do not beleive for a second they traded Peters because they were convince Walker could play left tackle. Matter-of-fact I beleive the rumors that they would have drafted Andre Smith if he was available. Not a ringing endorsement of Walker.

Basically, The Gaugan article is worthless. It seems to be put together to shmooze up to Walker for some reason… Maybe because he gave him an interview. There is nothing substantial in it.

"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy

by Jason from OH-IO on May 20, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point of Gaughan’s article wasn’t to play up Walker as some sort of savior at LT. I’m not sure how you gleaned that; if anything, I accentuated that part of the article here, probably ill-advisedly. Gaughan’s point, at least in my mind, was to highlight the situation and the difference between Walker and Peters.

I don’t think you can get away with saying this, though…

I do not beleive for a second they traded Peters because they were convince Walker could play left tackle.

The two can be, and are, mutually exclusive. The Bills traded Peters because of the contract squabble and to avoid a prolonged headache; don’t underestimate how badly that holdout nixed pre-season development last year. The team also thinks that Walker can play left tackle. The two do not depend on each other.

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by Brian Galliford on May 20, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you. But Gaughan states:

The Bills’ management, conversely, gave a loud endorsement of Walker’s ability April 17 when they traded Peters to the Philadelphia Eagles. You don’t deal a Pro Bowler at one of the most important positions on the field unless you think you have a good alternative. They gave Walker another big vote of confidence April 25 when they passed on two chances to take a left tackle in the first round of the NFL draft — with the 11th and 28th overall picks.

Conclusion: The Bills are completely sold on Walker.

Sounds like he beleives the two are NOT mutually exclusive. Matter-of-fact he says one relates DIRECTLY to the other.

So we both agree here?

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by Jason from OH-IO on May 20, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry about my numerous typos tonight. Apparantely I have had a few too many cervezas. Gotta stay up… Mets game on the west coast and Johan pitching…

"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy

by Jason from OH-IO on May 20, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Went to a Mets game last week and took some sweet pics of Johan. If you want some, I can send em your way!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 21, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll take them!

Thanks for thinking of me buddy!

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by sireric on May 21, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You weren’t talking about Johan!

Let me see what I can put together here:

Johan 1

Johan 2

Johan 3

Johan 4

Johan 5

Johan 6

Johan 7

Johan 8

Johan 9

Best Met ever? Best Met ever.

Some of them kind of suck. My girlfiend took those.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 22, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, nice show of confiidance in your gf’s abilities there K ;-)

by CanadianBillsFan on May 22, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deflecting the blame

It was actually probably me, but oh well….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 22, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suuuure, deflecting the blame…. yeah ok… lol

by CanadianBillsFan on May 22, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Screwed up… Livan was on the mound… You see I was WAY too drunk last night.

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by Jason from OH-IO on May 21, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since when is a ringing endorsement from a team anything but the general company line? (I’m speaking directly to the April 17 endorsement – at that time, they were merely masking their draft day intentions.) I didn’t read that as Gaughan attempting to connect the dots at all.

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by Brian Galliford on May 20, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian I am confused. It is completely crystal clear that Gaughan thinks the Bills traded Peters because they had Walker. I can’t think of any other way to take his statement.

The Bills’ management, conversely, gave a loud endorsement of Walker’s ability April 17 when they traded Peters to the Philadelphia Eagles. You don’t deal a Pro Bowler at one of the most important positions on the field unless you think you have a good alternative.

I take that to mean Gaughan is attempting to state that the Bills traded Peters because they had a viable LT candidate. Right?

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by Jason from OH-IO on May 20, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I take it to mean that Gaughan is repeating the company line…

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by Brian Galliford on May 20, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don’t deal a Pro Bowler at one of the most important positions on the field unless you think you have a good alternative.

Jason Peters was the most overrated lineman on the Bills last year and did not deserve to make the Pro Bowl at all. I was disappointed when he came back from holding out i wanted to trade him then because we were 2-0 without him and with Walker on that side. Yes, Peters is talented but its not all about talent, he was a distraction and had a terrible attitude and didnt play as hard as he could have. I would much rather have a tackle that is less talented but has more desire then a complaining little punk that just cares about getting paid.

by Gesome77 on May 20, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s been about my sentiment through this whole thing. I’ve had an awful lot of debates how the Left tackle is overrated as a “special” position. It is important in the way ALL five spots on the line are important. The argument I get most of the time is – Every team has a good one they spent a high draft pick on, so it must be more important. My feeling is that it is a lot harder to find a bust at left tackle than it is to find a reliable “franchise” tackle, and teams know the fans accept that. Teams use this to assuage the fans on draft day instead of taking a bigger risk on say, Aaron Maybin that has a higher potential to bust. If everyone has a good left tackle, that means everyone really has an average left tackle.

Peters had a negative value to the Bills, the Bills managed to get real tangible value back from Philly and should be applauded for dealing with what could have been a festering nasty situation.

by syrbillsfan on May 21, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right with you syrbillsfan. Edwards is even saying now how excited he is to be able to institute some of the thigs the offense wanted to do last year but couldn’t because of Peters’ holdout (audibles at the line).

by thefourwinds on May 21, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well he did play some LT in Oakland, but was pretty awful at it.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 21, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but the whole line was pretty awful in Oakland when he was there. I think that it’s aactually safe to say that Walker is one of our few FA signings where his best years have been with us and not with his previous team.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 21, 2009 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True dat

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 22, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice video

This play exemplifies Walker’s inability to regroup after he makes a mistake. He isn’t athletic enough to miss any blocks on speed rushers.

Why Lanston Walker Scares me at LT!

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by Jason from OH-IO on May 20, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trent had a nice pocket, but didn’t really step into it. The thing I always hate about brady is his ability to move with the pocket. He does it better than anyone. Trent needs to develop that.

I agree with Brian’s initial comments on this video, Trent had time.

He would have more time if he moved up and a little left.

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by NeverendingOptimism on May 20, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree to disagree, truce?

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by Jason from OH-IO on May 20, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course.

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by NeverendingOptimism on May 21, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Find a LT that can regroup in time after whiffing on a block. I imagine that most of what you find would be said LT holding and sometimes getting away with it. You could call that “regrouping”. Walker on 8 plays out of 10 will make his block, maybe more often than that. Even if he whiffs, I’m sure he won’t let the guy inside, so Trent will have enough time. Also, throw a chip from the TE or RB in there and voila, 4 seconds (at least) to throw the ball.

The biggest key to our success isn’t the pass blocking at all. We need to see if the Bills offseason moves have addressed our inconsistent and mostly awful run blocking. If they have, there’s no reason Lynch shouldn’t average well over 4 yards per carry this year.

by syrbillsfan on May 21, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Additionally, if Trent has a pocket to step into, it will make stepping into it much easier! One might easily wonder how much trust he had in the center of his pocket last year.

by thefourwinds on May 21, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right one play...

you’ve used that argument before. I bet I can find one play where Trent Edwards looks like Joe Montana and one play where Joe Montana looks like JP Losman. I bet I can find one play where Langston Walker demolishes a speed rusher on the left side.

One play amounts to a whole lotta fluke to me. Show me a pattern and we’ll talk.

I’m not saying Walker is the answer, just that your argument better be more than a single play.

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by MattRichWarren on May 21, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure… But like I stated that play displays his lack of athleticism. He will have a hard time handling the elite pass ruscher. He looks awkward and un-balanced on this play. Show me the play where he pancakes and elite pass rusher then.

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by Jason from OH-IO on May 21, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't have to pancake him to be effective.

What I can say is that in his only game at LT full time against the Seahawks last year, they had one sack for a two yard loss. They have good rushers in Darryl Tapp and Pat Kearney. They have 5 guys who had 4 or more sacks last year. Just as he has shown that once in a while he will get beat, he has shown that the vast majority of the time he can hold his own. I don’t even remember who Kearney was lined up against but the fact that it was for two yards, tells me Edwards had enough time, moved up in the pocket, and had nobody open.

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by MattRichWarren on May 22, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re dead on. All our linemen need to do is hold the point of attack for a given number of seconds. That is especially the case for the interior linemen. The only thing our interior linemen (as a group, not individually) did consistently last year was NOT holding the line of scrimmage. That put our offense behind the 8-ball on a consistent basis, essentially causing a lot of plays that were “broken” right from the snap. Tackles are a little different in that they have space to work. Tackles have the luxury of giving up some space in order to gain time for the QB. So even if beaten, as long as Walker gets a piece of his man, we will succeed most of the time, as long as Trent doesn’t hold onto the ball too long. Also, if Trent actually has a pocket to step into, it will take more time for speed ends to come back to him. The key, I think, is for Walker / Butler to redirect their man to the outside on pass plays, therefore causing the opposing speed guy to have to loop around (a la Kelsay on every play) into the pocket instead of taking a straight line.

The more I think about this topic, the more I realize that our fate rests not on tackles but on the core three in our line. If they can hold or explode of the line of scrimmage consistently, everything will work, regardless of Walker’s performance. That is the key. If Trent has a pocket, we’ll do fine, if not we’re screwed. I agree that the tackles have steeper requirements as far as individual attributes and athletic prowess. That is because is an ideal situation, you would like to leave them on an island 1 on 1 to take care of their man. The center and guards, although lesser athletically are the key to your offensive performance because they form the pocket. Without good play in the middle of the line, it doesn’t matter how good your left tackle is. That’s why we’ve had issues offensively for the past few years. Any good coming from the tackles was negated by poor play from Fowler and Preston, even sometimes Dockery.

by syrbillsfan on May 22, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no worries about Butler or Walker.....

both have proven to be hard workers and have proven they’ll do whatever it takes to be successful………

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 20, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m much, much, much more worried about Walker on the left side, than Butler at RT.

Has this week cemented Chris Kelsay’s status as practice hero extraordinaire?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 21, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Has this week cemented Chris Kelsay’s status as practice hero extraordinaire?

I really think it has. And come Spetember, it will once again cement his status as play-time disapointement extraordinaire.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 21, 2009 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope Maybin works his way to the top so Kelsay only sees 20 snaps or so a game.

by syrbillsfan on May 21, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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