State of the Bills Roster: Wide Receiver
Now that the 2009 NFL Draft is in the books and off-season player acquisition will crawl at a snail's pace, Buffalo Rumblings has begun re-examining the Buffalo Bills' revamped roster. We continue off our 'State of the Roster' series this morning with a look at the wide receiver position. Previous installments: QB, RB, TE, OT, G/C, DE, DT, LB, S.
Terrell Owens. Uh... Terrell Owens. Did I mention Terrell Owens?
Coming off of two consecutive seasons in which the team sported anemic offenses, the Buffalo Bills knew they needed to add a playmaker to the team's receiving corps - not just to free up the constantly-doubled Lee Evans, but to finally give developing QB Trent Edwards a chance to play with real talent around him. That's why the team made an aggressive, early move to try to ink free agent receiver Laveranues Coles, who had just been released by the Jets. That fell through when Coles took more money to play for the Cincinnati Bengals.
The player the Bills got instead of Coles has caught 95 more touchdown passes than Chad Ochocinco's new running mate. That's quite the consolation prize.
With Owens on board, Buffalo now boasts one of the deepest receiving corps in the entirety of the National Football League. Will it help the Bills turn around their offensive fortunes and finally make a serious playoff push? Time will tell - but, in a phrase that is quickly becoming a mantra of sorts for 2009 Bills football, there are "no more excuses" for this group. There is finally an abundance of talent at this position.
STARTER: Lee Evans
Evans still fancies himself the Bills' top receiver. No receiver benefits more from the presence of Owens than Evans, who won't have to deal with persistent double coverage for sixteen games this year. One of the league's elite deep threats, Evans will be free to do what he's best at provided Owens continues his dominant ways - make big plays. He'll have a shot to make a lot of them.
STARTER: Terrell Owens
There isn't a lot to say that isn't already widely known. He's one of the top two or three touchdown-producing receivers in NFL history, with 139 career scoring receptions to his name. Even if he is dealing with diminishing skills, Owens brings two things to the receiving corps that we haven't seen in a long time: physicality and nearly unparalleled prowess in the red zone. He's a ten-touchdown-per-year player. If that continues in Buffalo, our offense is infinitely better. Case closed.
STARTER: Josh Reed
After years of playing out of position as the Bills' second receiver, Reed will return to the area where he does the most damage - the slot. He's already proven himself to be a reliable chain-moving target, and he's been a go-to guy for Edwards. Now he'll be free to do even more damage underneath. He'll never be an All Pro, but when you're surrounded with two outstanding outside targets, Reed is the type of player that will aggravate defenses to no end in the short areas of the field.
Roscoe Parrish
No one denies that Parrish can be electrifying with the ball in his hands. What can be questioned, however, is whether or not Parrish - a gadget player and elite punt returner and little more - is too luxury for a team like the Bills. Considering the amount of money he's due to be paid and the amount of playing time that's no longer open to him, don't be shocked if the team looks to trade him - there may still be a market for his services.
James Hardy
Indirectly, no one is going to benefit more from Owens' work ethic than James Hardy. Already blessed with rare size for a receiver, Hardy will get to spend at least a year watching Owens. T.O. doesn't need to teach him a thing; in fact, it's probably a little dangerous to ask him to do so. But no one has ever questioned Owens' work ethic or his practice habits. He does everything by the book and more on the field and in the practice setting. It will benefit the developing Hardy immensely to be around a player with Owens' work habits.
Steve Johnson
See: Hardy, James. Subtract the lingering knee injury and add the fact that he's already a fan favorite. The kid's got upside, but if a guy like Parrish isn't moved, he may not get many opportunities to see the field in 2009.
A few more names and a bit more analysis for you after the jump.
Justin Jenkins
He's here because of his value as a special teams player. Even if something happens on the trade front with Parrish, Jenkins isn't seeing the field as a receiver barring catastrophic injuries.
Felton Huggins
Huggins is a two-year practice squad player with no eligibility remaining and a miles-long shot at making the roster. Still, keep your eye on him - he's routinely making plays in the practice setting.
C.J. Hawthorne
The second-year pro spent 2008 on the practice squad, and with solid athleticism and some upside to be tapped into, he seems destined for that role again next season.
P.K. Sam
Sam is essentially Hawthorne, but without the practice squad caveat to keep him around. He won't be in Buffalo very long.
Contract situations: Owens and Reed are free agents after the 2009 season concludes. Evans is locked up long-term, as are last year's rookies (Hardy, Johnson). Parrish is also locked up long-term, but obviously his situation is a bit different.
Bottom Line
See what happens when just one playmaker is added to a position? The area goes from a frustration to a team strength overnight. Buffalo has five to six weapons at this position now that can hurt you in very different and very specific ways. There aren't any more excuses for this position, for QB Trent Edwards or for offensive coordinator Turk Schonert - the ability to harness the skill of this group and turn it into production and points will be the key to winning more games this season, particularly against division rivals.
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Steve Johnson - See James Hardy ????
How about see Josh Reed. With Hardy coming off an injury and Parrish on the trading block, I would list Johnson as our 4th WR. Reed better hope he stays healthy, because if Scuba Steve gets the chance to fill in for him, it could be a permanent move.
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by Joe P. on May 25, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When I said “see Hardy”, I meant in the sense that Scuba Steve would benefit from the presence of T.O. Sorry for the confusion.
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by Brian Galliford on May 25, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooooo..... that does make more sense. Agreed.
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by Joe P. on May 25, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still I think your right Joe. Steve is one injury, from any WR above him, from seeing serious playing time. As much as I love Reed, I don’t think that he’ll be resigned this summer because of Scubba Steve. The kid just has it and will be Reed’s replacement sooner rather than later.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 25, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was agreeing with Brian's explanation of "See Hardy "
I still think Johnson beats out Parrish and Reed for playing time by the end of this season.
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by Joe P. on May 25, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. This probably wont be the year that he makes the jump to big play time, but I<m guessing that if he puts up good numbers this year OBD will think twice before resigning Reed because they may just want to put Johnson in Reed’s spot next year.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 25, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with your assessment for Johnson.
The kid’s got upside, but if a guy like Parrish isn’t moved, he may not get many opportunities to see the field in 2009.
From what we have heard from OBD I expect to see Johnson in at WR ahead of Parrish. I see Johnson and Hardy splitting time ahead of Roscoe at 4th WR.
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by MattRichWarren on May 25, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll one-up you MRW
I think hands down Johnnson deserves to be our #4 wideout. The guy just makes plays. Something Parrish and Hardy (well not yet atleast – rookie/injury) have not been able to do.
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 25, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i agree.. i think johnson really took advantage of his opportunities last year, and if he hadn't been a rookie 7th round pick would have seen more opportunities later on..
at this i really think that he might be the best receiver we got out of last years class.. now i realize it is too early to tell but the guy has all the tools to be an excellent NFL receiver, of course he needs to keep improving his game and i think having a whole nfl year under his belt will really help make an impact.. if reed were to go down (which is likely given his past) i think johnson should see the majority of the snaps in reeds place, and has a good chance of seeing a decent amount of snaps w/ reed healthy..
i really believe in johnson’s abilities, and wish that he would have gotten more chances on the field last year, especially while reed was injured.. i really think that may have been a mistake on the coaching staff to not get him involved early.. it seemed like trent had started to create a comfort level w/ him by the end of the year when he was getting more time, and i think he really could have helped us w/ reed sidelined.
by Shovel51 on May 25, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what we have heard from OBD I expect to see Johnson in at WR ahead of Parrish.
I definitely don’t, unless you want to add an “on occasion” to the end of that sentence. If Parrish is here, they’ll put him on the field more than they’ll put Steve on the field.
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by Brian Galliford on May 25, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I agree with that
Reed and Owens aren’t likely to be here next year, they’re going to have to give snaps to Johnson and or Hardy this year to get them ready. I don’t think Parrish is a long term solution at WR, he’s a gimmick player that they’ll use for that purpose.
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by BillsNYC on May 25, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t disagree with any of that. Keep in mind that
If Parrish is here, they’ll put him on the field more than they’ll put Steve on the field.
doesn’t equate to “Johnson will never see the field.” He will. But he won’t completely unseat Parrish, or come close to it, as everyone appears to be suggesting.
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by Brian Galliford on May 25, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure how you can make that statement
Sure, Parrish may start out as the 4th WR, but if he keeps having trouble getting open and Johnson doesn’t, I don’t see how you can keep Johnson off the field. I hope that the Bills would put the most productive guy on the field regardless of $. I love Parrish as a return guy and would be happy keeping him for that reason alone. Assuming Parrish is the #4, what happens if Reed get hurt again? Does Parrish go to the slot, or does Johnson?
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by Joe P. on May 25, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I haven't seen enough out of Steve to be sold on him...
I have seen enough of Roscoe. Maybe the faint rumblings we have been reading about Steve gave me hope that Roscoe would be pushed down the depth chart.
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by MattRichWarren on May 26, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've gotta think they at least try to resign Reed
We can agree to disagree on this — I do not relish the idea of Buffalo’s corps without Josh Reed. He’s the one receiver without any real question marks. The only black mark on Reed is that he can’t catch upwards of 50 balls a year. He even beat his drops problems he had a couple years back.
However, I’m willing to admit that Steve Johnson or James Hardy could eventually take his place — and I think you’re spot on with one thing, Reed’s presence on the team is an obstacle for these guys. As long as Reed remains with the team, for better or four worse, they’re relegated to fourth receiver. Whether it makes them compete and get better, or smothers them out of greater productivity depends on their mental toughness and their dedication. We’ll have to see what happens.
by Dyl on May 25, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No love for De'Cody Fagg?
He is at least worth a mention. Maybe a practice squad guy?
If not for an injury, who knows where this guy would have been. He was voted “most physical” receiver in the ACC for what its worth.
Could get a long look at training camps.
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 25, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’m personally really excited to see what josh reed does this year. he’s got the knack for finding his way through the zone defense, and even with being out of position last year as the #2 wideout he put up some respectable numbers. always been a fan of the guy.
by the_prophet on May 25, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Felton Huggins
The only modification I would make to this excellent piece on WR’s is to point out that Huggins may have a better chance of making the roster this year than people currently expect. He has good size, exceptional speed, solid hands, and a great work ethic. If the comments Chris Brown has been making about him are true, he has shown a great deal of progress in route-running over the past year and is someone the coaches are very high on. He is also a good prospect for returning punts. If Roscoe is traded or cut, I will be very surprised if Huggins doesn’t stick around. He can do everything Roscoe does, and in addition get separation and make plays on offense, while costing a fraction of Roscoe’s salary and standing over a half foot taller than Roscoe. In a word, there are a number of strong reasons why the Bills might want to keep him.
by Macktruck on May 25, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's a darkhorse
I love Huggins’ play last preseason. I typically have a receiver I root for to make the team who won’t make it — I was all about some Drew Haddad when he was hanging around. Last preseason watching #14 (Huggins) he won my admiration. I hope he sticks around, I just don’t see it happening.
With so many receivers, you figure the Bills will keep six. Evans, Owens, Reed, Johnson, and Hardy are going to make the team, so even in the event Parrish leaves, Huggins still has to compete with Justin Jenkins, who has effectively filled Sam Aiken’s shoes. If Roscoe sticks around, which is seeming more and more likely the closer we get into camp sessions, it’s almost certain Huggins is sent packing. That’s a tall order for #14. But maybe, just maybe.
by Dyl on May 25, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait…
No receiver benefits more from the presence of Owens than Evans
or…
no one is going to benefit more from Owens’ presence than James Hardy.
Which one is it, Brian? Haha, I had to point that out!
On a more serious note, everyone needs to chill out on Steve Johnson. I love what he did with limited opportunity last year as much as everyone, and I also think he has a chance to be a great receiver for this team BUT some of you guys are talking like hes already our star of te future or a solid slot guy. Fact is, he was great in college like Hardy. Outside of that, he really didn’t do all that much last year. Take it easy and don’t get your hopes too high or you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. Its just preposterous to think that hes already passed Hardy or Roscoe. To condemn Hardy like that after one year is simply over-reacting.
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by poz on May 25, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think you are underestimating Stevie. He doesn’t need to pass Hardy on the depth chart because they are different types of WR’s. Hardy is being groomed to be the eventual #2 WR, occupying the place on the roster that T.O will fill this coming year, while Johnson is almost certainly destined to be a slot receiver, so they are not really competing. As for passing Roscoe, that’s not saying anything, since Roscoe is almost useless on offense. Steve Johnson is already a much better WR than Roscoe.
What everyone seems to be saying is that Stevie will be a valuable #4 WR in 2009 operating out of the slot. A #4 can make a real contribution, but is not a “star.” Given what he showed us last year in the limited time he was on the field, that’s not an unreasonable expectation.
by Macktruck on May 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Johnson destined to be a slot receiver?
by kaisertown on May 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed. He did have success against Denver outside.
by thefourwinds on May 25, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had 1 catch for 3 yards…not exactly a ton of success.
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by Kurupt on May 25, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And not bad, considering he didn’t actually get on the field a lot. His production was pretty darn good while he was on there.
by thefourwinds on May 25, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but until he shows that he can take 50% of the snaps in a game and actually be productive (aka 50+ yards) Then I don’t see him as a threat to Reed. Not this year anyways.
by CanadianBillsFan on May 25, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This had to do with why is Johnson destined to be a slot receiver, and my response was that the limited success he’s had has not just been in the slot.
by thefourwinds on May 26, 2009 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jumbo Elliot had 1 catch for 3 yards an a TD, didn’t really jump start his career at WR though. Any guy can get open for a reception like that on any given play. How does he do over the course of the season. His style of play lends itself more to slot play rather than on the outside. On the outside you have to draw defenders to help your #1 get open. I’m afraid if we had Stevie starting on the outside, we’d end up with the same old production we got out of Evans / Reed the last couple of years.
Roscoe and Steve averaged about the same over the course of last year, with Roscoe also returning punts. I think Roscoe, if not traded, will see his receiving averages go up over the past because his role will be better defined. Last year he was used in the slot a decent amount, where as this year he will probably only see the field in plays designed to get him the ball.
Really for this team this year, I hope that Reed, Evans, and TO are healthy all year and hang on to their jobs because that means the Bills are doing great.
Also, I wonder how many reps that 4th receiver spot gets in a game. Having a 4th wide takes the TE or RB off the field. I think to have 3 WR, Fine / Nelson, and the RB gives our offense the best chance to win. I know a few times a game we’ll have 4 or 5 WR on the field, but how often? 10 snaps or less a game I would suppose. Probably much less than that if we’re winning. It will be a dilemma to balance out snaps for Johnson, Hardy, and Parrish.
If Roscoe is traded, who returns punts? Someone not on the roster?
by syrbillsfan on May 26, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally disagree that Steve Johnson’s style of play is better suited to play in the slot. He has the ability to get open on short and long passes and is a tall receiver (almost 6’2’’) with the strength to play any of the WR spots. What specifically about Johnson makes him a better fit in the slot?
If Roscoe is traded, who returns punts? Someone not on the roster?
Primarily Fred Jackson with McKelvin getting some too. Jairus Byrd and even Josh Reed could be used if needed.
by kaisertown on May 26, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Dominic Rhodes even?
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by NeverendingOptimism on May 26, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he’d be pretty far down the depth chart for punt returns.
I’m guessing if Parrish is dumped, Jackson will take over with McKelvin getting sprinkled in. Byrd is probably next on the list. After that, it’d take a lot to see anyone else back there. I’m guessing McGee might be up there in the mix too.
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by Kurupt on May 26, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I threw Reed’s name out there because I figured he would be reliable, but McGee might make more sense. It doesn’t really matter though. The last time that Buffalo had 4 different players handle a punt return was 2003 when Antonio Brown flopped about as bad as any player in the history of the team. Nate Clements handled some returns and Antoine Winfield and Pierson Prioleau each had one punt return.
by kaisertown on May 27, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he can actually play both sidelines and slot, but with Reed, Owens and Hardy on board it would seem he would get used much more in the slot.
by Macktruck on May 25, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but for next year
Owens likely will be gone, and it’s plausible that the Bills will let Josh Reed walk (ugh).
by Dyl on May 25, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy should recover
faster than most think. If the receivers are Evans, Owens, Reed, Parrish, Hardy, Johnson I’d expect Johnson to be at the bottom of that list. I hope he does produce and shows us something but be careful what you wish for because it means that Hardy isn’t doing his job.
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by poz on May 25, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from a few jump balls caught for TDs,
Hardy did not look good. He looked slow, dazed, and dropped way to many balls. I am not saying he can’t improve, but it is pure speculation that he will be able to pass Johnson who clearly looked better in his limited playing time. Right now, Johnson is the better WR.
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by Joe P. on May 25, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what most rookie wideouts look like, especially big guys like Hardy that used their size more than anything else to succeed in college. I would reserve judgement on Hardy until at least the end of this season if not next. They average blossoming period for WRs is about 3 seasons. If he’s got nothing by then, he is nothing special.
by syrbillsfan on May 26, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills should be able to get pretty creative on running plays with Reed as a blocker. They can line him up on the same side as the TE and overload one side of the field or put him opposite the TE and give the defense a balanced look. They can motion him around to get blocking matchups that they can take advantage of. I like that Brian lists Reed as a starter because he will definitely spend more time on the field than a fullback or 2nd TE will.
To quote Poz, everyone needs to chill out on Steve Johnson. I love him too, but he caught 10 passes last year. Most teams have some young WR who looked good in limited time the previous season that all the fans love. I know that a lot of Dolphin fans think Brandon London and his 3 catches last season is the long term answer at WR. There were a bunch of rookie WRs who caught 10 or 20 passes last year and every team is expecting more out of that guy this season. They all won’t grow into starting WRs. So it’s definitely a little premature to call Johnson the 4th WR. Let’s at least wait until the preseason games before we say who deserves that role.
And Brian, I’m pretty sure that Huggins still has a year of PS eligibility left. He’s spent two years on the PS and I think guys are eligible for three years.
by kaisertown on May 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like the thought
of keeping three receivers on the field often. It should be nice to watch our team open things up for the first time since Bledsoe to Moulds and Price. If we do run a no huddle we can generate a lot of mismatches. In fact, I can see Roscoe Parrish finally getting dangerous in a no huddle, his speed and quickness and ability to make tacklers miss could have defenses scrambling to set up for him either opening things up for himself or other receivers.
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by poz on May 25, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so who gets your vote for our #4 WR?
All we are saying is that Johnson looked better than the others and made the most of his limited playing time last season. With the Bills trying to trade Parrish and Hardy looking very unspectacular, I can’t see why it is such a stretch to think Johnson is an up in coming WR. Nobody is saying he will make the ProBowl.
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by Joe P. on May 25, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Currently I’d prefer to see Johnson in that 4th WR role, but I want to see him and Hardy this preseason first. I’m just saying we shouldn’t get ahead of ourselves. While nobody has claimed he’s going to make the ProBowl, saying that a Reed injury could lead to Johnson winning the 3rd WR job is a little crazy.
by kaisertown on May 25, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be willing to bet Tom Brady would disagree with you :-)
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by Joe P. on May 25, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But for every Tom Brady there’s 10 or 20 guys who didn’t lose their job after getting hurt or seeing their team draft a player at their position. Josh Reed was one of them just last season.
by kaisertown on May 25, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true....but I think a "little crazy" is an overstatement. It is very plausable, IMO.
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by Joe P. on May 25, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s where we disagree. I think the odds of Johnson replacing, or even getting 40-50% of Reed’s reps are closer to one in a hundred then they are plausible.
by kaisertown on May 25, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re right. If Parrish is still on the roster, he would get those reps, or the Bills would change to a defferent alignment. With Reed on the field it makes sense to go 3 wide because it puts our best possible talent pool on the field. I think if Reed gets injured everything hinges on Nelson’s progress. If it’s viable I think the Bills go 2WR / 2 TE if Reed goes down before they hand all of those snaps to Johnson. Johnson isn’t as special as everyone thinks. He could be good, but he’s a long way off. He had 9 receptions last year, in 10 games. 9!
As much as it might grate us the wrong way, the biggest investments will get the most reps, unless, a la Jabari Greer, there are enough injuries to get a prolonged stint on the field. So reps for people not names Reed, Evans, and Owens will probably be handed out according to team investment, not necessarily skill (unless someone gets a case of the Royals). So reps get doled out Parrish, Hardy, Johnson.
You always have to keep in mind, like I said above, when it comes to the 3rd WR (slot) position, youcan’t forget competition from the TE position. Until the season starts this looks pretty sticky, it will work itself out once the season starts (probably in some way we didn’t even see coming).
by syrbillsfan on May 26, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Commitee
Reps as a 4th WR on the field will be hard to come by and I think the coaches will rotate Hardy, Roscoe, and Johnson depending on the situation. I think they’d go Parrish, Hardy, Johnson depending on Hardy’s health. I think it would look like this -
4a. Parrish
4b. Hardy
5. Johnson
I put Johnson at 5 because the Bills investment in Hardy and Parrish is much larger. We’ll know more about how the Bills feel about Johnson by how they handle Reed. If they extend Reed this training camp, I don’t know about Johnson starting anytime soon. Does Johnson play special teams? Can he return kicks? He will really need to make the most of his reps to keep on, especially if he doesn’t excel at special teams. The Bills usually prefer to fill those reserve WR spots with special teamers.
by syrbillsfan on May 26, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wikipedia says three years…. eHow and the Seattle tribune say you only get two years of practice squad eligibility.
I’m pretty sure it’s two years.
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by MattRichWarren on May 26, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The practice squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a practice squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment.
I’m pretty sure it’s three. I think I remember us all being surprised when Chris Brown listed Dustin Fox and Gibran Hamdan as PS eligible last year.
by kaisertown on May 26, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hamdan was PS eligible, why wasn't he on the practice squad then?
Where did you get your info from? Like I said, I have links to sites that say two and links that say 3.
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by MattRichWarren on May 26, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the Bills just wanted to carry three QBs. Dustin Fox did spend some time on the PS last year. He spent all of 2005 on IR and then spent 2006 on Philly’s PS and parts of 2007 on Buffalo’s PS. So in his 4th NFL season, Fox was able to be signed to our PS.
by kaisertown on May 26, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that was actually copy/pasted from the Seattle Tribune link. I bolded the part about the third season.
by kaisertown on May 26, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah.
I remember reading that now. Maybe Huggins can be stashed for another year.
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by MattRichWarren on May 26, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Johnson pass Parrish on the depth chart last year for the most part? Roscoe seemed to get very little time on the field as the season wore on, while Johnson got more and more snaps. It wouldn’t surprise me if Johnson or Hardy, or both, are ahead of Parrish come September. I would be just fine if Roscoe got zero snaps at WR this season.
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by Kurupt on May 25, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to see him get any snaps, either. If you go back to the year he was drafted most draft experts expected him to go in the sixth or seventh rounds or to end up as an UFA. Tom Donahoe, in his madness, took Roscoe in the second. That was a huge mistake for someone who is no more than a good punt returner. At this point it makes much more sense to give the playing time to Johnson and Hardy and let them develop.
by Macktruck on May 25, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think yo uare wrong on Roscoe's rating in 2005.
Draft Countdown had him ranked 62nd overall.
Q.I. Sports had him going 45th overall.
Drafttime had him at 37 overall.
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by MattRichWarren on May 26, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Roscoe. He’s not only a good punt returner, he’s the best, field position being what it is, spark points, all components of special teams are important. I know we have Leodis but he’s playing more snaps at CB. I think if he gets his routes and hands together he could be a legendary slot receiver.
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by Cookie G on May 25, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone is expecting Johnson to start for us this year.
I expect him to move ahead of Roscoe at WR. That puts him 4th or 5th depending on Hardy. Is that such a stretch? Roscoe has done nothing at WR except catch a TD in the one game I was at last year. Johnson’s totals are near Roscoe’s in every way and we know what Roscoe brings to the table. I go with potential and mediocre production over mediocre production.
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by MattRichWarren on May 26, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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