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Projecting Evans' 2009 numbers with T.O. in Buffalo

When a player with the buzz-generating prowess of WR Terrell Owens joins your team, dozens of questions come with the acquisition. Nearly three months after Owens signed with the Buffalo Bills, we're still trying to answer some of these questions; others will obviously have to wait until the start of the 2009 NFL regular season.

Whether naysayers want to admit it or not, Owens has historically made his teammates much better - statistically speaking - during transitional years in his career. We've already examined Owens' effects on quarterbacks and projected Trent Edwards' 2009 stats based on that data. There's one other player that stands to benefit statistically from Owens' presence that we have yet to discuss, and that player is incumbent No. 1 wide receiver Lee Evans.

Using in-depth (but not nearly complicated) stats analysis, here's how we see Owens making Evans better - again, from a statistical standpoint - in 2009.

Step One: Chart Owens as 'Top Dog'
In 1997, the best receiver in the history of the game, San Francisco's Jerry Rice, was lost for the season after recording just seven receptions in under two games. In that year - Owens' second in the league - he established himself as a legitimate receiving threat, and didn't look back even when Rice returned to full health.

From 1998 through 2008 - a full ten seasons when throwing the Andy Reid-shortened 2005 season out the window - Owens produced monstrous numbers at the receiver position. Again, discounting 2005, Owens caught at least 60 passes every year - even playing alongside Rice for three of those seasons. It was during this period that Owens established himself not only as a game-breaker, but perhaps as a franchise-breaker as well. Still, the stats are undeniable; during those ten seasons, Owens averaged 81 receptions, 1,190 yards and 12 touchdowns.

Still, Owens is coming off of his worst season statistically since 1999, when the 49ers went 7-9 and both he and Rice finished with under 850 receiving yards. There are concerns that Owens' skills are diminishing. We factored in a 15% decline in production in the event that the rumors are true - and we certainly hope they aren't. Factoring that drop in against the average, we peg Owens to produce 69 receptions for 1,010 yards and 10 TD next season.

Step Two: Chart Owens' running mates
In the ten years outlined above, Owens played with six players that could be considered No. 2 options to Owens on those given teams (not all are receivers): 49ers receivers Rice, J.J. Stokes and Tai Streets; Eagles RB Brian Westbrook; Cowboys WR Terry Glenn; and Cowboys TE Jason Witten. In the ten seasons that those six players spent playing second fiddle to Owens, they combined to average 72 receptions, 858 yards and 6 TD. That means that on these ten teams, Owens and his top running mate combined for 153 receptions, 2,048 yards and 18 TD on average.

The last time the Bills approached that type of production with their top two receivers was 2004, when the combination of Eric Moulds and Lee Evans caught 136 passes for 1,886 yards and 14 TD. The last time Buffalo exceeded that production was in 2002, when Moulds and Peerless Price combined for 194 receptions, 2,544 yards and 19 TD. Stat machine Drew Bledsoe quarterbacked both of those duos.

Step Three: Determine Growth in Transitional Years
During our Edwards analysis, we identified five years in Owens' career as points of transition for the enigmatic receiver: 1997 (Rice hurt), 2001 (first year without both Rice and QB Steve Young), 2004 (first year in Philadelphia), 2006 (first year in Dallas) and 2007 (first full year with Tony Romo). Those same five seasons are applicable in this study of second receivers.

In '97, both Owens and J.J. Stokes were thrust into the limelight as both were counted on to replace an active legend. In 2001, Stokes again became a No. 2 receiver when Rice left town. 2004 made Brian Westbrook a household name as the Eagles made a Super Bowl run. WR Terry Glenn closed out his pro career playing next to Owens in 2006, and Jason Witten - though very productive even with Glenn in town - assumed a much more prominent role as the Cowboys' second receiving threat.

In those five seasons, Owens' four running mates, on average, caught 23 more passes for 185 more yards and 2.5 more touchdowns. The only receiver that did not benefit greatly was the already-established Glenn, who caught 8 more passes in '06 than in '05, but saw both his yardage and touchdown totals drop slightly. The '97 figures are skewed as well thanks to the tremendous opportunity afforded by Rice not being on the field; the dramatic increases in production that Owens and Stokes saw were therefore scaled back when figuring the above fluctuations.

So what could Evans' stat line look like next season? Find out after the jump.

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Receiving Kickoff Returns Punt Returns
G Rec Yds Y/G AVG Lng TD KR YDS AVG Lng TD PR Yds Avg Lng TD
16 63 1017 63.6 16.1 87 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

In 2008, Lee Evans caught 63 passes for 1,017 yards and three touchdowns - leading the Bills in all categories - despite a first-year starter at quarterback and little help from his teammates in the receiving game.

Factoring in the transitional change line (+23 receptions, +185 yards, +2.5 TD), the average line of a No. 2 receiver playing next to Owens over the past decade (72 receptions, 858 yards, 6 TD), and a little something we like to call the "Terry Glenn Effect," we project Evans' 2009 totals at 71 receptions, 1,050 yards and 6 TD. Allow us to break things down further:

* The "Terry Glenn Effect" - As explained above, Glenn was quite clearly the one receiver that did not benefit greatly from playing next to Owens. Glenn's playing style was also eerily similar to Evans' (though, in our biased opinion, we think Lee is the better player). Therefore, we tempered the line down a bit to factor in the idea that Glenn - a unique player amongst the transitional group - may not have seen a major stats increase simply because of the type of player he is. For that reason, Evans didn't see major increases in receptions (+8) and yards (+33), but did see a jump in touchdowns to six (+3) simply because he's been a touchdown machine with a consistent threat playing next to him (16 TD in two seasons playing next to Eric Moulds). We don't believe he'll come close to approaching the massive stats increases that the transitional group produced, which may have been skewed by players like Westbrook (+36 receptions) and Witten (+32).

* Combining our projected totals for Owens and Evans, Buffalo's new dynamic receiving duo will catch 140 passes for 2,060 yards and 16 TD next season. Compare that to the two-player average over ten years (153 receptions, 2,048 yards and 18 TD), and it looks like the Bills could approach those averages quite comfortably.

* Yes, we do feel pretty uneasy about projecting such gaudy (for Buffalo) statistics. Buffalo's got a third receiver in Josh Reed that has developed a great rapport with Edwards and has 107 catches over the last two seasons to prove it. He'll get some numbers as well. The team also has three running backs - one of whom (Fred Jackson) is currently lining up in the slot at OTAs - that present great receiving options out of the backfield as well. For a check-down quarterback, no less. If Owens and Evans are going to approach these projections, the Bills will either be throwing the ball a lot, or they'll be hitting their first or second options far more frequently than not.

Oh, and before you ask - in the five transitional seasons, Owens' teams averaged 2.4 more wins than in the previous season. 9-7, here we come!

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I think Owens will have more catches, yards and TD’s that Evans. He’s better for Trent’s underneath game. We saw how hesitant Trent was to throw it downfield last year. I don’t expect that to change much this year. Hopefully, Evans gets more opportunities to beat single coverage with TO occupying defenders.

That’s quite the breakdown of potential receiving statistics for our duo. Whoa!

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by Kurupt on May 27, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

My opinion on the subject

I agree that Owens is a machine underneath and will really help open things up over the top for Lee.

We saw how hesitant Trent was to throw it downfield last year
He was not hesitant in the first few games. I think the concussion really made him gun shy the rest of the year. He didn’t trust his line and was progressing through his reads really too quickly. That being said, the minute that he saw double coverage on Lee he probably looked elsewhere without giving Lee a chance.
I don’t expect that to change much this year
I completely disagree with you. Trent is smart and he knows what everyone is thinking of him. He has a new Line that he will learn to trust. He knows that with the firepower we now have, he’d better get it downfield way more often. I see Lee having a great year and I see Trent airing it out way more often. The only thing that might affect this statement is if the line can’t give him the proper protection otherwise I definitely see him able to sit back there and deliver strikes.

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by keysh67 on May 27, 2009 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

He trusted the line in his next game back against the Chargers.

Defenses started playing him different not that he got gun shy. Dropping 8 into coverage will make you look a little slow to react since you are trying to find the needle to thread.

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by MattRichWarren on May 27, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like in the Browns game when we rushed it 38 times for 186 yards even though we were playing from behind because of Trent’s three early INTs? That was the game when we started seeing the 8 man coverages and Turk did what you said he didn’t. He ran the ball a lot.

I think the worst game that Turk failed miserably in was the Toronto game against the Dolphins. Only 18 rushes for 84 yards. JP was 13 of 27 for 123 yards. But even then, the numbers might look a lot better if JP doesn’t audible on the goalline and throw an INT and we run it in for a score instead. I think the game was 10-3 at that point and we would have tied the game instead of playing from behind.

In weeks 9 and 10 we didn’t run the ball a lot but Trent was coming off a hot start to the year and the best game of his life in week 7. He had a good week against the Jets in week 9 and we played from behind against the Pats. In every other game outside of the Broncos game (that we won because the defense was great and Trent played well) we rushed the ball for over 150 yards. Could he have run the ball more? Yeah. But to say he failed because he didn’t run it enough is to spite the forest to see the trees. It’s missing the big picture.

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by MattRichWarren on May 27, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

any game with JP doesn’t count against Turk! :)

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by J2 on May 27, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our rushing problems weren’t really about volume. It was more about consistency and the inability of the Bills’ line (Center position mainly) to block runs up the middle and blow up the line of scrimmage. Can you imagine if Lynch could consistently get to the second level without having to shed DTs and DEs? We know he can drag anyone under 250lbs for 10 yds. Crazy!

by syrbillsfan on May 27, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

and obviously i'm not talking about the brown's game...

i’m talking about the jets game, i’m talking about the san fran game, i’m talking about the dolphin’s games… obviously i’m not going to say we should have run the ball more in games we are playing from behind in.. that makes no sense what so ever.. pass the ball in those games do what is necessary to get back in it and give yourself a chance to win… and trent after the 1st quarter played reasonably well.. but that is just another example of turk failing us throwing when we need to run a little more or when the qb is struggling and then running too much late in a game when we are trying to make a come back..

you are speaking of 1 game out of 16 i am talking about at least 4 or 5 games where we were having quite a bit of success w/ the run game and decided to keep throwing (it’s about putting yourself in position to win).. now unless you are playing from behind (as in a couple scores) and you running the ball effecitvely and have a young guy under center then keep running the damn thing..

and when we could have won games by running the ball more i’d have to call that failing not only the team but the fans… if you are in positoin to win, or running the ball is going to increase your chances to win because your qb is going through some hardships, and it is effective then don’t throw the ball 7 or 8 plays out of 10..

 i’m obvoiusly not saying do away w/ the passing game that doesn’t make sense but at least make it 50/50… that’s all i’m asking.. is to have a little more of a balanced attack in those situations..

by Shovel51 on May 27, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

To quote myself...
In every other game outside of the Broncos game (that we won because the defense was great and Trent played well) we rushed the ball for over 150 yards.

Over the course of the last seven weeks of the year we had two games under 100 yards rushing. The Dolphins game in Toronto which I called Turk’s biggest failure and the Broncos game where Trent was playing well and Marshawn got injured (I think). SO to say that coming down the stretch we didn’t rush the ball enough isn’t right.

In two of the last three games we had more rushing yards than passing yards.

I’m not picking and choosing one game to showcase my point. You must have only read the first paragraph in that case.

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by MattRichWarren on May 27, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

no and i agree our run game did pick up toward the end of the year, and of course one of those games was the wind game against the pats (but anways)

it comes down to more than just statistics and i’ll assume you know enough about football to realize that.. it’s about situational football, there were many situations where turk chose to pass when we should have run.. ok we may have had a 125 yards on the ground and lost, but that doesn’t mean that we couldn’t have had 160 and won… i’m not talking statistically..because i know our running game didn’t start coming together till late in the year, and that’s when we started posting good numbers on the ground.. but there were several times we threw and should have run IMO..

i don’t care how many passing yards to running yards we have.. it’s about situational football, i saw plenty of drives where we had a few good runs, and then would try throwing it on 1st then on 2nd and then again on 3rd and that ended up killing our drive we punted.. we may have had over a 100 yards in those games, but i would have to say maybe running on one of them 3 downs (preferably 1st just to keep us moving forward) would have been the better choice considering the previous success w/ the run.. that’s what i’m talking about it has nothing to do w/ statistics..

teams throw for over 300 yards and lose games.. teams run for over a 100 and lose games, those stats aren’t important what’s important is getting the “W”, and that comes down to good siutational play calling and obviously your players executing those plays at critical points.. and those critical points happen all throughout the game not just in the 4th quarter…

by Shovel51 on May 27, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I understand your argument.

But the criticism heaped on Turk was a little exaggerated in my opinion. It’s not like he called pass after pass after pass. In the beginning of the year we passed a lot because Trent was hot. We probably relied too much on it in the first 5 or 6 games. But as the season wore on people were screaming to run the ball more and we did.

One of the things I am going to chart this year is every offensive play. I want to look at the situational stats you are referencing. I looked earlier this offseason at the 3rd and short playcalls and we ran more often than most of the teams in the league.

Without that, it’s pretty much impossible for me to argue with you. So I’m gonna let it die. I just don’t think Turk was as bad as many people here are saying.

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by MattRichWarren on May 28, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i agree w/ keysh.. not to mention trent is a year older w/ another year of experience under his belt in the same scheme..

i really look for to trent to make improvements in his game, the biggest one just being consistant… which ithink he will be.. he’s smart he knows the mistakes he made last year, and i can guarantee you he has been doing everything possible to make sure those things don’t happen again and working on the weaknesses in his game.. he improved from year 1 to year 2, and he will definately improve from 2 to 3.. i think w/ a young qb is unfair to say they will be just like they were the year before because they are constantly growing and learning…

by Shovel51 on May 27, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was not hesitant in the first few games

Trent had six completions of 30+ to Evans in the four games before the concusion and just two the rest of the season. Which Trent we see this year is easily the biggest make or break factor for the Bills and these WRs.

by kaisertown on May 27, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t think the fact that defenses saw that Evans was burning them and backed off into coverage the rest of the year had anything to do with that stat?

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by Brian Galliford on May 27, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

dropping 8 guys into coverage kinda takes away the longer throws.

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by MattRichWarren on May 27, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t that kind of oversimplifying it a little? How often did teams really drop 8 guys into coverage after Trent came back? I know Cleveland did for most of the game, but who else did?

by kaisertown on May 27, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh certainly.

I’m saying that more teams drop more guys into coverage for the rest of the year. Not everytime was it 8, no way. It was pretty easy to double team Evans ever without dropping more people into coverage. Adding a weapon to the other side changes the entire dynamic. You can’t double-team Evans on every play now.

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by MattRichWarren on May 27, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

if our o-line is as good at run blocking as advertised

they won’t be able to overload in coverage anymore either with our three running backs.

The fact is, the only excuse left for Trent Edwards AND Lee Evans, yes both are on the hot seat this year, is how well Butler, Walker and the rookies hold up in pass protection. Our run blocking should be better this year, our running backs should be better this year, Lee Evans shouldn’t get double teamed anymore, and the best redzone threat of all time still playing will be on the field. Even Schonert should be better this year. There is only one excuse, and if they pass protect well, there will be none.

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by poz on May 27, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree i think there is no excuse this year for either of them not to produce...

i think trent is on the hot seat, but not evans as much considering he just extended last year.. but there are no excuses for either of them.. i just think if trent doesnt produce this may be his last year as a starter in buffalo (if he doesn’t show improvement i should say)…

by Shovel51 on May 27, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is oversimplifying, but you can’t just completely throw it out, either. Teams rarely blitzed Edwards during the majority of the team’s last 10 games because, as Ron will attest to, Edwards destroyed the blitz last season. He was quite adept at diagnosing where a blitz was coming from and hitting the hot route.

Teams blitzing less and covering more had less to do with Evans and more to do with Edwards’ proficiency against the blitz. The ripple effect was clear – and for the record, I’m not saying Edwards wasn’t a little gun-shy. He was. But part of the reason for that was because he was forced to be.

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by Brian Galliford on May 27, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying Edwards wasn’t a little gun-shy. He was. But part of the reason for that was because he was forced to be.

And there is the fact that it was his first full year as a starter. That might just have something to do with it. It must be something to behold when an opposing team game plans to take YOU out of the game…

Also, it was nice last year to see Trent, for the most part, making correct decisions of the throw it away / take the sack variety, instead of the boneheaded throwing into mega coverage crap we’ve had for years in Johnson, Bledsoe, and Losman. Beldsoe and Losman in particular would just not throw the ball out of bounds. It was maddening.

by syrbillsfan on May 27, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s fair. I’m just not sure if people realize how great Edwards was at picking his spots and throwing down the field in the first four games and how unoften he threw the ball 15 yards in the air after the concussion.

by kaisertown on May 27, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right but it's not necessarily cause and effect.

Kids in band score higher on math tests than kids not in band. It’s not because band makes you smarter. It’s that the disciplined kids who can practice an instrument are also disciplined at doing their homework and paying attention in class. It’s correlative, not causal. Same with Trent not taking deep shots. That’s not caused by his concussion. It could be caused by different playcalls or different defensive looks or bad pass protection.

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by MattRichWarren on May 27, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to nitpick, but with the music/math analogy, you are assuming it’s correlative, not causal. Not necessarily causal doesn’t make it not causal.

by thefourwinds on May 27, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not assuming...

You can’t say that “music class causes better math scores” but you can say “the kids in music class score better on math tests”.

How is this one? Rich people have cleaner houses than I do. Does that mean being rich causes you to be a better house cleaner? No. It means they pay someone to clean their house and after a long day at work and posting on Rumblings I don’t want to clean my house.

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by MattRichWarren on May 27, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I wasn’t trying to imply that the concussion was the reason. Just that he was a different player after coming back. I don’t know why he was different, but he was.

by kaisertown on May 27, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why he was different, but he was.

yes – the suck was definately at an 8 – needs to be at a 2

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by J2 on May 27, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Browns game was where that really started.

Good point. I agree he was different. I happen to believe it was him coming back down to earth. He was out of his mind in the first few games and the Chargers game was his best game ever by far.

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by MattRichWarren on May 28, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trent was amazing in the Chargers game, but his longest completion was 22 yards. Then he was pretty good against Miami and really good against the Jets, but his only completion longer than 22 yards in that game was the 42 yard play by Lynch. Then Trent was terrible against NE and Cleveland. SD, MIA and NYJ all blitz plenty. I think you could make the case that teams weren’t dropping 8 into coverage because Trent and Evans were beating teams down the field, but rather because Trent was spreading the ball around on short passes and the best way to cover the dink and dunk stuff is to drop everyone into shallow zones. Why blitz a guy who’s just going to dump it off? I think teams figured out that Trent wasn’t taking shots and that’s the biggest reason he fell apart midseason. He’s got to do a better job of keeping defenses honest. He certainly has the weapons to do so.

by kaisertown on May 28, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s got to do a better job of keeping defenses honest. He certainly has the weapons to do so.

Yep, he’s got the weapons now. Let’s see what happens this season!

by thefourwinds on May 30, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t want to clean my house.

So you live in filth. Sireric doesn’t wear pants. I drink too much bourbon. Wow; God only knows what else is out there. It seems we have a diverse community here…

by krytime on May 27, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I just sharted.

It's just a game.

by jj24 on May 27, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like to gamble…while drinking whiskey…without any pants on.

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by thatguy34 on May 27, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe P. has a multitude of fetishes

I poop with the door open, mostly.

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by Kurupt on May 28, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I poop with the door open, mostly.

You want to make sure everyone thinks about Kelsay.

by syrbillsfan on May 29, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

MRW, there are studies that have shown certain types of music, typical Bach compositions for example, indeed stimulate the brain in the areas necessary for mathematical thinking.

Just because causality can’t be proven (or hasn’t yet been) doesn’t mean it’s definitely not there. It just means it hasn’t been proven.

I really don’t have a clue whether it was Edwards’ concussion or his fear or Turk’s crappy coaching or whatever else that caused Edwards to do poorly against 8-man coverage schemes (of course, I lean towards Turk’s crappy coaching). But someone saying there’s isn’t a proven causality does not mean there is definitely not one.

by thefourwinds on May 28, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have you actually bothered reading the findings of that study? I have, it was also said to stimulate a child’s brain development so i thought i’d read up on it for my son. Turns out the effects lasted between 10 and 15 minutes. And that only on the brains of late teen’s and early 20’s, has something to do with the chemical balance in the brain at the age of the person. it didn’t work on anyone else. basicly it was a bunch of BS, so I wouldn’t quote it too often.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 28, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not BS if you use it right before you go into a learning session on math or into a test.

Besides, my main point was that saying there are other possible factors (indicating correlation) does not in itself disprove causality.

by thefourwinds on May 30, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry...

I had a professor in college (I have my Masters in Music Ed.) who really had a bug up his butt about causality vs. correlation. I don’t think the concussion caused him to come back to earth. I think there was no way he could sustain the pace he was on in the first few games of the year.

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by MattRichWarren on May 28, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure it had something to do with it. but 6 in 4 games vs. 2 the rest of the season is a huge difference. And it’s not like Evans being a great deep threat should have caught teams by surprise early in the year.

by kaisertown on May 27, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

And then why can’t teams adjust to the league’s other great deep threats. Why can’t they just back off when covering Greg Jennings or Bernard Berrian or Steve Smith? Their QBs didn’t have massive dropoffs in their ability to threw the ball down the field as the season wore on. Defenses adjusting is a part of the equation, but Trent was definitely a different QB after he came back too.

by kaisertown on May 27, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d.

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by thatguy34 on May 27, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those teams all had other options. We now have those options too. Also, with the line re-configuration, our run blocking should be much better than last year, especially up the middle. That is something we couldn’t accomplish with any consistency last year. Almost never did we get push off the line of scrimmage. Now we should be able to, and that will improve all facets of the Bills offense. Nothing cures 8 man coverage like a 40 yd run up the middle.

by syrbillsfan on May 27, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Owens will have more catches, yards and TD’s that Evans. He’s better for Trent’s underneath game.

So is Reed, Lynch, Jackson, Rhodes, Nelson, Fine… etc.

You also seem to imply that the Bills won’t run Owens deep and Evans underneath. I think an argument can be made that Evans is the more explosive of the Bills’ two receivers – not saying I would necessarily agree with it (and it’s a great problem to have), but it could be made. They’ll use Owens to get Evans open on some shorter throws more often than vice versa, I’d imagine, as Evans has a more difficult time getting open. I think Evans will lead us in yardage, and he and T.O. will be relatively equal on receptions.

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by Brian Galliford on May 27, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to put too much stock into it...

but I saw Evans catch an underneath ball yesterday with T.O. going deep. It was a crossing route and Trent hit him in stride. Evans had a step and took off. Gimmie that happening any day. YAC! YAC! YAC! YAC!

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by MattRichWarren on May 27, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i saw that too.. and chris brown said that, that seemed to be the focus in yesterday's pass game (crossing routes)

which i think is great, and i think those are the things we needed to be doing quite often last year considering the speedy receivers we have, and then there is reed who can sit down in a zone

by Shovel51 on May 27, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crossing routes with two great WR’s seemed to work great last year of the Cards, why not try it here?

by CanadianBillsFan on May 27, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah that was one thing that upset.. especially because i think it works towards trents strengths especially last year as a 2nd year guy..

and considering the speed we had at WR last year.. i couldn’t believe when we didn’t utilize the crossing routes more.. i really expected lee to get involved in the passing game via crossing routes, as well as roscoe and parrish.. and then we had hardy to send deep i think that would have given him the best chance to make some plays his rookie year as well.. now obviously i want to use other receivers on those deep patterns but that would have been what i liked to see most often.. let lee use his speed and quickness by making cuts and breaks, and just running straight down the field..also i really think that it would have given hardy the best chance to make an impact as a rookie go deep, until you really understand the underneath game and sitting in zones and things like that… i think our wr corp could have been utilized a little better last year w/ the routes they run and are used for..

by Shovel51 on May 28, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it’s because Evans has done very little over the middle and underneath during his career that its hard for me to expect that to change. That’s why I expect TO to do more damage there.

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by Kurupt on May 27, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you need to check your game tape. I don’t know how many times he’s broken free in the middle, but the majority of his catches are underneath or over the middle. As great as he is deep, the volume of his catches are shorter routes with YAC.

by syrbillsfan on May 27, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

He hasn’t done it consistently. That’s the problem.

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by Kurupt on May 27, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

We saw how hesitant Trent was to throw it downfield last year.

Hesitant because there were too many guys in coverage. Sure, sometimes there may have been someone open, but with no pocket (Thanks, Preston) he couldn’t see who was open (if anyone). 8 man coverages are hard to beat except with a steady diet of passes into the flat and running, and that’s what we did. We just couldn’t do it consistently enough and couldn’t break that 40 yd run up the middle to soften the coverage. If Trent threw deep in those games later in the year, you’d see more of the 3 INT quarters like in the Cleveland MNF game last year. Trent took what was given to him by the defense as best as he could. Pretty good for his first full year starting. Better than getting coverage sacked every other time you dropped back like Losman and Bledsoe.

by syrbillsfan on May 27, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Terrific work!

The way that you and Ron break down numbers is increadible (PS, i don’t know if ron had a hand in this article or not, but he has put up great stuff with numbers in the past). And while I think those numbers are optimistic, they are also reachable, which would be FANTASTIC.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 27, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Stellar

My guess is Lee’s YPC will increase as we finally beat these 3-4 teams where their weak – OVER THE TOP!

by freddyjj on May 27, 2009 6:30 AM EDT reply actions  

10 games against 3-4 d’s this year – better hope so!

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by J2 on May 27, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Neat little projection.

Now let’s hope it comes to pass.

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by MattRichWarren on May 27, 2009 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Concern

I do have some concerns just from watching limited film from the news and bb.com.

Seems like Trent isn’t really on at this point – I know its early – but I’ve seen a lot of bad passes from him. I know that they run the same plays a few times so the d’s can creep on some plays but I’ve seen some horrible passes out of him trying to force the ball into TO.

I know its early – but usually you see a few highlights and everything i’ve seen from Trent has been just “meh” at best – nothing that gets me giddy – yet. It is early but we’re watching you Trent. Just be accurate and read the defense – everything will come together.

As far as the stats – Lee could have 3 receptions for 6 yards – I don’t care – if we got 12-4 that way then i’m happy. What ever gets us wins – if thats rushing 50 times a game and throwing twice to Langston Walker on a screen pass then i’ll be happy.

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by J2 on May 27, 2009 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d actually enjoy seeing a screen to Langston Walker more than I should.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 27, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

On par with ESPN

ESPN predicted the following:
Lee Evans – 69 Receptions, 1038 Yards, 5 TDs

Posted previously – 2009 Fanasy Predictions (ESPN)

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by Jason from OH-IO on May 27, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

WOW

what a breakdown….140 catches, ~2,000 yards, 16 TD’s would be super nice. I’ll believe it when I see it however. If this offense can produce 20-25 TD’s through the air, I will be shocked but pleased obviously. I still have serious doubts on Trent and until he displays a confidence that is backed with consistency those doubts will linger. But T.O. is for sure going to help this offense, but you could see last year they Cowboys had to put him in motion and move him to the slot so he could get of the line of scrimmage. His ability in the first 5 yards to get separation has definitely diminished, so while T.O. will provide a more dynamic WR corps, he will by no means all of sudden transform this offense with out TE becoming a man and taking charge of this offense.

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by MARVelous on May 27, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

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