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State of the Bills Roster: Tight Ends

Now that the 2009 NFL Draft is in the books and off-season player acquisition will crawl at a snail's pace, Buffalo Rumblings has begun re-examining the Buffalo Bills' revamped roster. We continue off our 'State of the Roster' series this morning with a look at the safety position. Previous installments: QB, OT, DE, S.

For years upon years, fans of the Buffalo Bills have been pining for a legitimate receiving threat at the tight end position.  The team's last satisfactorily productive player at the position, Jay Riemersma, last strapped on a Bills helmet in 2002 - and even in that season, he caught just 32 passes and zero touchdowns.  It's been a while since Buffalo had a player that defenses had to pay even the slighest bit of attention to at tight end.

Then the team got a tight end that could be the steal of the 2009 NFL Draft in the fourth round.  Shawn Nelson, come on down.

With Robert Royal released earlier this off-season and Nelson on board, Buffalo finally has amassed the talent at the tight end position to field a trio that can actually make an impact in the passing game.  Here's what the unit looks like currently.

STARTER: Derek Fine
A 2008 fourth-round draft pick, Fine started his rookie season on the injury list, not making his NFL debut until a Week 8 loss in Miami.  His best game came in the game in which he recorded his first NFL reception, finishing a Week 9 loss to the Jets with 4 receptions for 43 yards and a score.  Fine also quickly established himself as easily the best blocking tight end on the roster - even better than the departed Royal, who was considered potentially elite in that department when the Bills signed him before 2006.  Fine may not have the best stats out of this group in 2009, but he's a virtual lock to get the most playing time - he's a good, crafty player with the potential to get better.

Shawn Nelson
Never has Buffalo had a more athletic matchup nightmare at the position than the rookie out of Southern Miss.  Nelson's arrival is likely the final piece of the puzzle in the Bills' decision to use more no-huddle this season.  You won't see Nelson used in-line much, but he'll be on the field frequently - he'll be split out wide and used in the slot to create matchup problems for small sub-package corners, big, lumbering linebackers, or safeties that should be protecting the deep ball to Lee Evans and/or Terrell Owens.  Outside of Bengals rookie Chase Coffman, Nelson might have the best set of hands on any player that came out of this draft class, and he's got potential as a blocker to boot.  If this kid progresses the way everyone thinks he can, Buffalo will be set at this position for the foreseeable future.

Derek Schouman
He fits the "underwhelming" mode of most Bills tight ends of the past decade, but Schouman is a heady player that has proven his ability to be a short-area weapon for QB Trent Edwards.  He's also getting a bit better as a blocker, and has the ability to line up in the backfield as a fullback as well.  Adding in his special teams value, Schouman is about as solid a player as you'll find in terms of tight end depth.

Jonathan Stupar
A tall target, Stupar spent most of 2008 on the Bills' practice squad as a UDFA.  He'll have a shot to land on the practice squad again this year, but he's facing long odds to land an actual roster spot.

Travis McCall
A UDFA out of Alabama, McCall is being looked at in an H-Back capacity; he's got a good build (6'2", 264) for that role.  He's a better prospect than Stupar, and if I'm being frank, I'd rather see McCall stashed on the practice squad this coming season.  I think he's got a bit more potential.

Contract situations: Fine has three years remaining on his rookie deal, while Nelson will likely ink a four-year deal prior to training camp.  Schouman is entering the final year of his three-year rookie deal and will be a restricted free agent after this season.

Bottom Line
For the first time since... well, pretty much ever, the Bills have the talent at tight end to cause problems for opposing defenses.  Most of the attention is (rightfully) being focused on Nelson; the rookie will be counted on to help open up a Bills passing attack that was mostly anemic under Edwards' direction last season.  But don't discount 'The Dereks', either; both are solid all-around players that complement Nelson perfectly and should add their fair share of receptions as well.

Last season, Buffalo's tight ends caught 58 passes for 598 yards and 3 touchdowns - which really isn't as terrible as most make it out to be.  But the point here is not production, it's causing matchup problems.  For the first time in decades, opponents will actually have to concentrate on Bills tight ends in the film room and on Sundays - and that is far more important than anything else at this point in time.

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For the first time in decades, opponents will actually have to concentrate on Bills tight ends in the film room and on Sundays

This is what has me excited about Nelson/Fine.

We have Owens, Evan’s, Reed, Jackson/Lynch and probably Nelson all going out for a pass – its excellent for trent. someones going to be open – I expect the RB’s to stay in for support then leak out of the backfield underneath more often and at a minimum should be pretty open.

Make no mistake – the FO got Trent some real options out there – time to put some points up on the board.

I am excited – for the first time – well almost ever – about our TE situation with Nelson.

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by J2 on May 8, 2009 8:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It does speak volumes on the faith and dedication that OBD has in Trent. They wouldn’t have done all of that if they didn’t have faith in him.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 8, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Nelson really have anything to do with the decision to go no-huddle? Can’t expect the guy to have THAT much of an impact as a rookie.

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by BillsNYC on May 8, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t have said it if I didn’t think it was true.

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by Brian Galliford on May 8, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have to agree w/ billsnyc... we have other guys on this roster that can play the slot and still be a mismatch for the defense.. hardy, steve johnson has good size and speed, reed seems to get open, parrish is explosive although hasn't been productive

i love the fact that we drafted nelson and as j2 said havn’t been excited about the te position until probably now because of it. but i think he creates more mismatch using him in the no huddle and puttin him on the line and have another threat out there in the slot, i’d really like to see stevie j. get some more game day reps there. nelson may be more athletic, sure handed, and able to use his body better than hardy but we don’t know that for sure yet, hardy could very well create the same mistmatch and he’s a 2nd year wr get him the reps. this kids a TE he needs to be used at that position most often, and not as a wr, if we want to develop him as one. now do i think he should be moved around split out or in the slot, of course. but that should be secondary to him learning what he needs to be a successful te. i’m not saying he needs to be a blocking very often for us, but he is more of a threat w/ his hand in the dirt and running his routes from there on the inside then split out, or in the slot where he is more volnerable to coverages.

by Shovel51 on May 8, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They’ve got enough depth at WR/TE where they can rotate players in (Roscoe, Stevie J, Nelson) as the #4 receiver based on down, distance and game situation. Nelson will ABSOLUTELY factor in there, and probably in a big way.

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by Brian Galliford on May 8, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah but they wouldn't be doing rotating those guys in a no-huddle situation...

that’s why i said i’d expect him to play that spot, but would like to see those other guys mainly stevie get his deserved reps there.. especially in a no-huddle and have nelson on the line.. because you can’t rotate guys in a no-huddle, and that’s what we are primarily talking about

by Shovel51 on May 8, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m saying that Nelson will play TE in the no-huddle.

I’m saying they’ll rotate the slot receivers when they’re not playing the no-huddle.

I’m saying that Shawn Nelson will play more than Steve Johnson, Roscoe Parrish and James Hardy this year, with Scuba Steve the only one coming close.

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by Brian Galliford on May 8, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really, really, really expect Nelson to be ready to contribute right away, don’t you? I’m not so confident in that, though I love his potential in our O and what he can give us from a scheme standpoint. As much as we all want him to be playing right away, we have to remember he’s a rookie from a non-BCS conference. He might take some time.

If Hardy is healthy and ready to play in week 1 (which I doubt), who plays more, him or Stevie? Personally, I hope Johnson plays more than Hardy all season because I think he’s a better player…I just don’t know if the staff will see it that way!

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m 100% confident that Steve Johnson will get significantly more playing time than James Hardy this season. The coaching staff loves Scuba Steve – thinks he has “it.”

And yeah, I think Nelson will be able to contribute right away, simply because his role will be simple: run fast and catch the ball.

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by Brian Galliford on May 8, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good, I’m glad I’m not the only one that see Johnson as a better player. Saying he has “it” is a perfect way to describe him, because on the field he just looks more confident and understands what needs to get done so much better than Hardy. Hardy just looks like a tall guy running around out there without a clue in the world what he’s supposed to do. Johnson looks like a man with a plan on the field. I like that out of him. I really hope he gets his chances this year as the #4 WR before Roscoe and Hardy.

How often will we be asking Nelson to run fast and catch the ball each week? And are you already confident enough in his ability to diagnose where he needs to be, understand the playbook and route quality routes? That’s where I want to see him in live game settings before expecting him to contribute immediately.

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

James Hardy... run fast and catch the ball....

Shawn Nelson… run fast and catch the ball….

How can you even say you expect Nelson’s role to be simple and him to be productive then last year we had the same role for a different player and he couldn’t do it? I like Hardy and love Nelson but I can’t expect him to contribute this year as much as you are saying he will.

We are disagreeing a lot today. How odd.

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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Hardy’s not fast to start with!

You can’t compare two players in two different situations and say it’ll be the same result. I don’t agree that Nelson will definitely be contributing right away, but I’m definitely not looking at James Hardy as the reason why!

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Buffalo should have used his straight line speed more. He isn’t all that quick or explosive, but with those long legs, once Hardy gets striding, he’s tough to keep up with. We shouldn’t just think of Hardy as a red zone option because I think he could be a great guy to line up as a 3rd or 4th WR for a few plays a game and have him run some fly routes. I bet he can get a step or two on some guys and if Trent underthrows, then let Hardy try to win a jump ball or two. It’s something Buffalo really should have tried more last season.

by kaisertown on May 8, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know why the Bills or other teams don’t utilize the underthrow more often. When a WR has single coverage on the outside, and there’s no safety help, the D is almost begging for the O to run that play. Peyton Manning has worked that play to perfection so many times, I can’t believe it hasn’t been emulated more often.

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by Kurupt on May 9, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well it sure doesn’t translate on the field. He was one of the slowest WR’s I’ve ever seen last year when he was on the field. He may have some straight line speed, but in and out of breaks and when running routes, he was as slow as they come.

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by Kurupt on May 9, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. You need a good duel threat TE if you want to run a good no huddle offense. ANd as goos as Fine is becoming, he’s not the passing threat that you need in a no huddle, Nelson is.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 8, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that
he is more of a threat w/ his hand in the dirt and running his routes from there

and hope that is how the Bills will use him. If Nelson can block on some play and release into a pattern on other plays, then he becomes much more dangerous. If the other team knows that everytime Nelson comes in he is going to run a route, it becomes much easier to defend him.

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

He might even have to be a “decoy” of sorts from time to time, just so he can line up along the line and not give away the fact that he’s in the game to be part of a passing play. I think his blocking will be adequate enough at some point this year where he can line up with a hand in the dirt nearly every time he comes in….At the very least we can line him up right in the slot or put him in motion, though teams will figure out quick enough that he’s not in to block…

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I 100% agree with this statement!

Plus I am convinced this is how he will primarily be used. Jauron said it. He said on multiple occasions since we drafted him that being effective in the passing game will make him effective in blocking. This statement is only true if he lines up on the line.

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by keysh67 on May 8, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd love to see us utilize the no-huddle much more often in games, however i'll believe it when i see it.

as far as nelson goes and using him in the no-huddle as a slot guy, by trying to get mismatches, does anyone think that hardy could be used in this same role? or do you think that we are just going to primarily have him focus all his energy on learning to be split out wide rather than having him dive into the slot before he’s really even learned the split through and through. i think that nelson will make a huge impact for us simply based on his athletic ability as long as we keep it simple for him, but i think that he would make a bigger impact for us in double te sets and coming off the line w/ his hand in the dirt. because then he will likely be lined up against a lb’er/s although cb is obviously possible to but either way a guy w/ his size creates a mismatch.

the reason i think he would have a larger impact from that position rather than in the slot is because if obd feels good about working hardy in the slot he can do that, and i think that steve johnson deserves more opportunities on the field and he could be very productive in that position, parrish, and reed. we have plenty of slot guys that can fill that role. we don’t have any other athletic receiving te’s get him used to putting his hand on the ground and ripping down the seam, dragging, post, and corner routes. this adds another demention to our team that we do not have. we have plenty of guys who can get the job done in the slot, and i’m sure we will see nelson in there as well. but i would like to see him the majority of the time w/ his hand on the ground because i think that creates more of a mismatch for us, however i do expect to see him off the line in the slot as well and that’s fine w/ me i want that too.. just not as often.

by Shovel51 on May 8, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“I’ll believe it when I see it, your 2009 Buffalo Bills!”

That has to be the motto for this team.

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think that works because we saw “it” last year before they tanked.

Maybe, “I’ll believe it in December”?

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by thatguy34 on May 8, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well if we play 4 of the worst teams in the league again, should that really be considered seeing “it”?

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We didn't know they were awful, though.

The Seahawks and Jags made the playoffs the year before so we had legitimate hope I think. I wasn’t counting my chickens but I was hopeful.

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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was sitting on the couch excited out of my mind when Shawn Nelson was still available in the 4th. Hopefully he will bring the Antonio Gates factor to our game.

by Lynchisin23 on May 8, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It was the only pick I was screaming at the TV...

and the only one that came true. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My only concern

While Fine did o.k. at in-line blocking last year, he isn’t know as a great blocker. I know Shouman was initial brought in as an H-back/TE, so my assumption, maybe poorly is that he is not a great blocker either. The reason the Bills signed Royals initially was because he was considered a great blocker.

Nelson, self-admittedly has a lot to learn about blocking. My point is I would like to see the Bills explore the option of bringing in a true blocking TE and a veteran presence, someone like George Wrightster or Michael Gaines. However, if the "new" offense does not call for a "blocking" TE, then I think they are fine (Derek Fine that is!).

I really like this unit, I think Derek Fine could be very good and Nelson could be a great receiving threat. Time will tell.

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by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FINALLY

a legitimate pass-catching, stretch the field tight end will be on our roster on Sundays next season. I went into the off-season clamoring for 1 playmaker at either WR #2 or TE. Instead, Jauron and company decide on T.O. AND are lucky enough to snatch up Shawn Nelson. I will admit back before the draft I had my eyes Pettigrew obviously but Nelson was second on my list. He showed at the Senior Bowl that he is a willing and able blocker that can get better over time. But what you can’t teach is Nelson’s size, athleticism, 4.5 speed, hands, and basketball type athleticism….What is key for guys like Nelson and James Hardy is to develop the lower body strength to provide a good base for them to be able to fend off DB’s as they “brace” their body for jump balls like rebounding in basketball. The two issues big tall, lanky receivers struggle with is just that, having the lower body strength to stabilize their body to explode when the ball comes.

As a former collegiate basketball player myself, I played with a lot of guys in pickup games that are also TE’s at the University of Minnesota, Matt Spaeth (ie Pittsburgh Steelers). He always told me it’s all about hips and lower body strength on the football field.

I’m absolutely stoked about the proposition of Evans and T.O. wide, and Nelson running a Post pattern down the seam with a 6’0" DB or LB on him and Edwards just throwing the ball up 30 yds down field and seeing Nelson go get it. I hope that is what Nelson brings. Hardy, you could see last year, lacked that stability and lower base….he didn’t “go get the ball” but Nelson should draw worst cover guys and if Edwards develops a rapport, I can easily see Nelson snatch up 35 catches in year 1, and that would be a welcomed addition to a previously pathetic, blaw passing attack

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by MARVelous on May 8, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but

if they choose to play Nelson bump and run, and DB’s play off of Evans and bump on T.O., well that opens up everything, mostly running the ball. Nelson will I hope be asked just to do a few things. And if you split him wide in 4 WR sets, he can flat out beat guys I truly believe

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by MARVelous on May 8, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh i agree we have some weapons that teams have to account for, and they should all help eachother out..

i was more talking about a big lb’er jamming him at the line to screw up the timing, i’m not overly concerned about this, but it is something that he will have be acustomed to dealing w/ because he didn’t play on the line much his last year in college..

but i definately agree w/ your analysis

by Shovel51 on May 8, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Nelson will be an in-line blocker and full-time TE by opening day 2010. That being said this year he will be adept at creating matchup problems against LBs and CBs and I still really like Derek Fine. In the last two drafts the Bills have done really great things at the TE position and hopefully we will see the fruits of that coming.

I think the biggest thing not mentioned in the article is Fine helping out on the left side with Walker. Whether it’s a block for a second or two then release into the flats, a chip, or a straight double team I expect to see that happening sooner rather than later. My personal opinion of the TE position is that he should be a blocker first, a receiver second. If my TE can release into a pattern and be a safety valve, great. Catching some short curls, balls in the flats, etc. I’m fine with that. But most importantly when they are on the field they should be a nimble, active blocker on the second level. That’s the difference between a 4 yard gain and a 20 yard gain to me.

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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I also like what Fine and Nelson may bring to the short-yardage and/or goalline offense this year, combined with the revamped, nastier interior Oline. Wouldn’t it be awesome if the Bills could actually score TDs instead of FGs?

by thefourwinds on May 8, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I expect to see that happening sooner rather than later.

Haha, I hope so! We can’t just leave Walker out there for a few games and then decide Fine should help him on the edge!

You also need a TE that is strong enough to hold up at the point of attack and neutralize defenders. That’s why Nelson may not be able to help as a block right away. I’m not sure he’s strong or stout enough yet.

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I meant in a nebulous way was...

I expect to see the double team early but then as the year progresses I expect to see more of the other stuff where the TE chips or blocks for a second and then releases as opposed to staying and blocking the whole time.

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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if Nelson is up to the idea of changing his name to Derek. Then out tight end position can be referred to as the Derek, kind of like the Sam or Mike.

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by jj24 on May 8, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shawn "Derek" Nelson

could be lined up outside as a WR with TO on the other side and Fine at TE. Running out of this formation would be killer, along with a few play action passes to mix it up.

by NorCal BillsFan on May 8, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draft

Like everyone else, I love the Nelson pick. The Mock indications were that he was going to go in the 2nd round. I do have a couple of questions in the back of my mind about the draft, though. 1. Why was he the 6th TE picked — that was a lot of TEs going ahead of him (especially with no injury question, unlike a few other TEs picked ahead (and behind) him)? Some were blockers, some were catchers, some were combo, but in any event, that’s a lot of TEs that other teams chose over Nelson. 2. If Buffalo valued him so much, why did they not trade up to get him (at the time, I actually thought that was what they were doing) — and, more interestingly, why did they trade away their 3rd and 4th (Bills pick) to get Levitre when they must have thought they needed one of those for the TE they wanted? These are just “the other side of the coin” questions I had — I love the pick and player, from everything I have heard.

by labill on May 8, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I had similar thoughts. I liked the pick, and just about everyone thinks it was a ‘steal’.

He was passed over several times by just about every team, and 5 other TEs went ahead of him in the draft. That’s got to say something him.

What do NFL teams not see that fans following the draft do?

by Pistol on May 8, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 6th TE in the draft...

It’s not like he was the 13th taken.

You can look at it as being a bad thing or say we got at least the 6th best TE in the draft. He was number 3 on my board behind Pettigrew and Coffman.

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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what’s the general production of TEs taken in the 4th round or later, particularly in their rookie year? I’m guessing it’s not great, and the expectations seemingly are pretty high.

Trust me, I hope he’s great, but I think his likely contributions are being overstated at this point.

by Pistol on May 8, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you in one sense.

I think his contributions are being overstated. When Kurupt did his projections I thought his number was high. I think Brian is expecting more out of him than will happen.

I don’t care what round the guy was drafted in. I really don’t because he can be a very good football player but just like every rookie coming in he will have a learning curve. I am not expecting him to run very many routes or be in on very many plays. The only way I see him being a big contributor is if his role is as this team’s no huddle TE if those reports are accurate. If that is his job, to learn and play that well, he’s got a shot. But he’s got blocking technique to pick up and as we all know so well the jump for receivers from college to the pros is a big one. I don’t know how ready he’ll be in that deptartment.

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by MattRichWarren on May 9, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For a TE, being the 6th one picked is not very good. Again, I think he is a steal — I am just asking for some theories as to why he was drafted so low and why so many TEs were drafted ahead of him.

by labill on May 8, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth...

Draft Countdown listed him as one of the best values in the draft. (Everette Brown didn’t make the list.) They said Nelson went lower than he should have. They also had Nelson as their number 2 prospect.

I have no idea why he fell but I was glad when he did.

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by MattRichWarren on May 9, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree with those concerns.

When people have been talking about Everette Brown being passed over by teams once or twice and falling to #43 for a reason, I’d like to know why Shawn Nelson was passed over 3, 4, and 5 times and fell to back end of the 4th round, yet it’s being called a great pick. From all indications, Nelson may have been the best blend of size, athleticism, receiving ability and potential as a blocker in the draft, so I wonder if there is some character/attitude concerns with him.

I understand why a guy like Richard Quinn might be drafted ahead of him, because he was probably the best or second best blocking TE in the draft.

I don’t understand why guys like Travis Beckum, Chase Coffman and Jared Cook went ahead of him, especially the first two. Beckum is smaller, coming off an injury, less athletic and less of a blocker. Coffman has the athleticism and blocking concerns. Cook, I do understand going ahead of Nelson, but I wouldn’t have taken him ahead of him. So it is worth questioning why those guys went ahead of Nelson….

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s my concern. Not just that other teams passed him (I think all teams that had a high TE grabed someone else) — we can argue that the Bills had him higher ranked than other teams — but even the Bills themselves didn’t value him enough to keep the 3rd and 4th picks to get him, nor did they move up to get him (you almost always move up in the middle rounds if you see a steal that is so much more value than where he is). And, like K says, Nelson has no question marks re: injury, athleticism or even, to some degree, blocking, unlike many of the others.

by labill on May 8, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think the Bills lack of trading up, or trading a 3 and a 4, mean anything other than them really liking Levitre.

I suspect if they had a 3rd rounder, after taking who they did prior to that, that Nelson would have been the pick. You can only trade up so many times before you’re getting hurt by it.

If they didn’t package the 3 and 4 for a 2 they still would have needed an OL and TE, and likely wouldn’t have taken Nelson any higher (well, except maybe using their own pick).

by Pistol on May 8, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I were a Panthers fan I'd be glad we got Brown in the second...

and be calling it a steal. Except he really is a first rounder since I traded next year’s first for him.

Speculatin’
-Coffman has the best hands in the draft regardless of position. That’s why he went first.
-Beckum was one of my favorite players. He comes from a bigger conference than Nelson and maybe that put him over the top but you are right. I was surprised Beckum went first.
-Cook was the fastest TE at the combine and a workout warrior.

It’s worth questioning but it could just come down to preference. Just like Maybin over Orakpo.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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