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That's all we need now - Vick as a Pat

I have heard and read from a few sources that Vick could wind up in NE and this really bothers me.  He would be extremely dangerous in a Pats uniform.  This got me to thinking...

 

What if?  What could Vick do in a Bills uniform?  Use him in our wild-cat formations, use him as a slot receiver, 20-25% QB work..  I hate myself for even bringing it up because (a) I really dislike Vick the person (b) I still believe that Trent is our franchise QB.  But if we take a step back from the whole situation it kinda makes sense.  This guy was an awesome phenom and if used in the right way (a slasher) he could really be a very dangerous player for us, could actually tilt the balance of power.  If god forbid, Trent Edwards goes down again this year - I'd prefer Vick over Fitz any day of the week.

I'd love to ram a Wildcat right back into the Dolphins throats, I don't think anyone is better suited to the wildcat than M.Vick.

The best way to prevent Vick from landing in NE would be to pursue him ourselves.

 

What do you guys think?

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Would pursuing Vick give us a better chance to make the playoffs?
Absolutely not, he's a scumbucket and I want no part of it.
91 votes
No way, two years off is too much - let the pats get him!
71 votes
I love the idea, given the right circumstances (as a slasher only)
126 votes

288 votes | Poll has closed

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don't forget vick took 2 years off... he's not going to slide back into the league smoothly, and who even knows if he's going to be able to play at all this year, and if so, when..

i think vick could be a utility player, but he’s not going to put us over the top by any means.. he hasn’t played in 2 years, and is going to have to learn a new system, not that he ever picked the one up in atlanta…. do i think he’s an athlete of course.. do i think he could maybe help us out in a wild cat formation,, probably but, we aren’t going to use that formation enough for it to matter anyway, and i don’t see him coming in an instantly helping us in the slot, considering our wr corp may be the biggest strength on our team, and is one of the deepest in the league.. if i felt he could come in an help instantly and get us into the playoffs. then it would be a no brainer.. but vick in buffalo just doesn’t fit, and we really don’t need him..

by Shovel51 on Jun 13, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont think

the wildcat will be very effective this season for any team. its been around for just about a full season now and every team it seems has their own wrinkle of it in their playbooks now. Every team has a year of film on it and practice against it during the off season. there will be plays and stuff from it that will be successful, i just don’t think its going to revolutionize any sort of offensive schemes.

Vick wasn’t all that great when he was in the league in the first place. I don’t think someone like vick can help get to and win a super bowl. All the quarterbacks in recent memory have been pocket passers and that’s the kind of qb play that never goes out of style and wins championships.

by dragonwag0n on Jun 13, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The best way to prevent Vick from landing in NE would be to pursue him ourselves.

I’m not sure I want to keep him out of New England. If Brady gets hurt again, he could be thrust into the starting spot. I doubt he fares as good as Cassel did last year. I say let him go to the Pats.

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by sireric on Jun 13, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Brady stays healthy...

And they use him as a slasher, with Welker & Moss
You feel comfortable with that? I frankly find the thought quite scary

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by keysh67 on Jun 14, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moss and Welker scare me. I know Vick is great athlete, but I would be scared of him when and only when I see he can be a competent receiver.

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by sireric on Jun 14, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d feel very comfortable with that. Vick is not scary to me at all. I mean sure he ranked up some yards rushing when he was in his prime, but he’s two years removed from his last game. Not to mention that he’s been eating nothing but prison rations for the last two years and has not been able to keep up to peek physical fitness in that time either. He used to be a 4.3 runner with great agility, but now I’d be surprised if he could run a 4.5.

I say let the Pats sign him, he doesn’t scare me at all.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 14, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and so what if he’d be throwing to Moss and Welker? The reason that Moss and Welker are such great threats is Brady’s increadible accuracy (some of which Cassel showed last year, but to a lesser extent). Vick is not nearly accurate enough to maintain them as threats. Remeber when he was in Atlanta and everyone blamed his bad passing numbers on thw WR’s? But then that same group of WR’s put up very decent (some would say even good numbers) with Joey Harrington throwing to them. The WR’s weren’t the problem, Vick’s accuracy was. So once again, Vick does not scare me in the least.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 14, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no thanks

i do not want to see him as a pat. thats all the bills need is a belichek to have another weapon. I would take him if the price was right. if he comes in and teams r willing to throw millions at him nah im set. but if we could get him for league minimum or something cheap why not?

by billsstein on Jun 13, 2009 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

league minimum to deal with the headache that would come with him?

No thanks.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 14, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what headache?

no more suspensions, he paid his legal dues. I wouldn’t be worried about a media circus, TO has already done that.

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by poz on Jun 14, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

you’re right… A camera didn’t go with him from Kansas to Virginia in his car. You would have higher media scrutiny and a protesting contingent in some form. Why even bother with that for the amount of snaps he’d be taking?

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 14, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As polarizing as he is among us

Can you imagine the fissures he might create in the locker room, just with his presence? The guys might not even know they’re pulling apart. Some will have forgiven, some not, and even the one’s who’ve forgiven him won’t know how to treat him. It would cause a mess. Talent or no, I don’t think the Bills would touch him with a ten foot pole, and rumors or not he’ll end up in some other league before he gets anywhere near an NFL roster.

by syrbillsfan on Jun 16, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually jotted down some stuff today out of boredom with the thought that I might throw a Krytime style post up and I was going to bring Vick up. This is what I was going to post:

I honestly like the idea of signing Vick …. on a conceptual level. Adding a dynamic player who would give us versatility and the ability to get creative would be so fun to watch. You can never have an exciting enough product. But one of the things I love so much about the Bills is the bond between the fans. And part of what makes this site so great is the intelligence and civility. And never in a million years would I risk those things to sign Michael freakin Vick. Guy’s a loser and as exciting as he could be, I don’t want to deal with the arguments that would become so personal and stray so far from football. I would never want to go to a game and deal with protesters. Buffalo has one of the best fanbases in sport and keeping that foundation strong is more important than anything Vick would bring to the team.

And to add to that, I don’t think New England will sign Vick. I don’t remember where I read this but the Pats picked Christian Peter, a defensive lineman from Nebraska in the fifth round in the mid 90s. Peter had been arrested a ton of times although none were that serious. The Krafts, particularly Myra Kraft (the owner’s wife) heard about Peter’s checkered past and threw a fit. The Krafts refused to have a player like that on the team and within a week of the draft the team informed Peter and his agent that they weren’t even going to sign him. He had enough talent to last in the league for at least 5 years so he wasn’t some scrub that was causing too many headaches to give a chance.

I also don’t remember where I read this one, but Washington supposedly talked about signing Vick. The coaching staff all seemed open to it so they had a organization wide meeting to discuss it. The meeting hardly got off the ground because they decided that being in the very political city that they are, they would be so heavily protested that he simply wasn’t worth signing regardless of what he could do for the team. I guess they never even discussed what he could bring to the team because they decided based solely on factors outside of football. I’m not sure who is going to take a chance on Vick and his best bet might be to spend a year playing football in any league that isn’t the NFL.

Everyone a team is linked to Vick, I’m going to assume that it’s just the media trying to create a story until some team actually signs him. Just like it was ridiculous that writers thought Buffalo made sense because we signed TO, it’s crazy to think that New Enland’s willingness to add Corey Dillon or Randy Moss makes them any more likely to add Vick.

by kaisertown on Jun 13, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I might throw a Krytime style post

I’ll take that as a compliment, especially coming from someone like yourself. You always throw some good thought around these parts….

by krytime on Jun 14, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My daily anology...just for Brian :-)

Any time you make a deal with the Devil, you will pay for it in ways that you can’t even imagine. I would pass on Vick and sleep well at night.

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by Joe P. on Jun 13, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know some like Joe would never sign Vick because of his past, and that is a fine argument not to, and Kaisertown’s makes that point above. But even if you can look past that, there is one simple fact that cannot be ignored; Mike Vick wasn’t that good before he was incarcerated, what makes anybody think that he will be any good now?

No night spent pantsless is a wasted night.

by sireric on Jun 13, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

he wasnt that good as a full time qb, the post makes us think he wont be a full time qb, just a wildcat qb or a wideout in a 5 wr set. there i think he will be effective. but i voted no hes been out for two years rotting in prison….no way he plays well this year, maybe next year, and he wont get a deal beyond a year.

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by silverstreak3k on Jun 13, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First of all, let me establish that I really hate the guy and I agree with Kaisertown that there would be a serious risk to the fabric of of fan base which I would not be willing to risk.

That being said, I also agree that after two years he’s rusty as hell and there’s no way that he rides back on a white horse. What I was suggesting however is that because of all tha the most that he can probably hope for is a short contract where he is going to be used as a specialty player. I don’t know about you Eric, but I have rarely seen an athlete so fast and fluid as Vick. When used as a runner he is by far one of the most exciting guys I ever saw and the guy has a huge arm so using him in a specialty way will make any team instantly much better. If we knew for sure that he’d somewhere outside of our division like the Skins then I’d be happy with it, I was just saying that him going to NE could be our worst nightmare.

I’ll admit that I am really torn because I hate the guy and cannot imagine being able to root for him

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by keysh67 on Jun 14, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how can you say that eric?

Mike Vick was pretty good before he was incarcerated. He single handedly took the Falcons deep into the playoffs. He may not be an orthodox QB but before the dog fighting ring he was one of the most dangerous QBs in the league. He was so fast that even the hint of a roll out caused defenses to lose their discipline and try to defend the run leaving receivers open for his deep arm to fling it (even if not very accurately) fora 60 yard gain. If they stayed disciplined then he scorched them for a 15 yard run. I’m not sure if Vick is good now, but to say he wasn’t that good isn’t very fair.

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by poz on Jun 14, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wasn't a very good QB.

The numbers back that up. He was a leader, sure. Nobody ever said he wasn’t an athlete. But his completion percentage and QB Rating were never good.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 14, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

QB Rating is a good measure of NFL paradigm “Pocket” quarterbacks, but doesn’t really describe Michael Vick because it doesn’t take rushes into account. It’s not Vick’s fault his coaching staff wouldn’t stick to an option-like offense that suited his skill set the most. When left to his own devices, Vick was every bit the game-changing franchise leader the Falcons needed him to be. The problem was, everyone (media, coaches, etc) thought he needed to be something he wasn’t – a traditional sit in the pocket passer. With the right coaching staff and a tailored offensive scheme, Vick would have been devastating, at least until the skeletons he was keeping in the closet fell out. What a waste.

That Michael Vick, however, is gone. What you probably left with, however, is a bigger Roscoe Parrish. We already have one of those, and he won’t rock the boat, intentionally or otherwise.

by syrbillsfan on Jun 16, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK...

so Vick’s best year yardage-wise was 2002 with 3713 total yards and 24 total TDs. That is great production from your QB. He also had 9 fumbles and 16 picks… 25 turnover to 24 TDs. Now he’s not looking so hot anymore…

He had 16 fumbles in 2004. Losman’s highest number was 13 in 2006. He had 14 INTs that year… so combined he had 27 turnovers…. It seems like that many turnovers is a bad thing. Maybe I’m wrong.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 16, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was a lot of talk in Atalanta that Matt Schaub was better at leading their offense. When Vick would get hurt their offense looked better, that is why the Falcons got such a king’s ransom for Schaub. I’ve said in the past that Vick is like a jacked up J.P. Losman, and I think that is still right. Strong arm, great speed, great athleticism, total head case, lacks intangibles required to be a consistent winner in the NFL.

No night spent pantsless is a wasted night.

by sireric on Jun 15, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I hate the sinner, too.

Even if you want to put aside the facts that Vick killed dogs, you can’t just brush off the fact that he did so as part of an illegal grambling operation he was running. What’s to stop him from intentionally screwing up on the field in order to impact the outcome of a game a la professional basketball? There’s no way OBD should trust the guy—and that’s before considering the fact that he wasn’t exactly a great QB before losing 2 seasons…or that he’s still in line for a suspension which could easily make it a 3 season absence.

by Ron From NM on Jun 14, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that was a crazy statement Ron, then I remembered that Vick has lost a lot of money due to this. Not just money paid out to things like legal fees, but in lost income as well.

No night spent pantsless is a wasted night.

by sireric on Jun 15, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The collapse of his financial empire was almost a foregone conclusion when the money stopped rolling in. The money managers NFL players hire give them advice based on continuous employment at some relatively fixed amount of money for however many years. While you and I would likely pile up cash in the living room in order to salivate at it every time we walked by, Vick was pouring money into a number of business ventures. When the cashflow dried up unexpectedly, he was too deeply in debt to pay his way out—never mind that he had a $100 million contract. Think of all the people impacted by the unnecessary collapse of Vick’s financial empire.

The gambling angle has been discussed other places, likely PFT and columns by ESPN writers and such. Some have speculated that gambling may have been the reason that Vick would have a great game followed by a terrible one—basically throwing the game in order to cash in, either by gambling directly or through a payoff from someone else who was gambling heavily. You can’t even rule out blackmail—-throw the game or have the illegal dog fighting activities exposed. People can talk about second chances all they want. The league has to protect itself from even the possiblity that a player could be throwing games. Sure, there’s no blackmail material now but Vick is in desperate need of cash…perhaps more than he’d get on a ‘prove-it’ lowball contract.

by Ron From NM on Jun 15, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As Marv used to say,

“Ability without character will lose.”

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jun 15, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever happened to Marv anyways, I haven’t seen him around in a while.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 15, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he is like 83 years old.

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by thefourwinds on Jun 15, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he’ll be 84 in August. And we’ll hear from him a bunch around the HOF inductions.

by kaisertown on Jun 15, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, I didn’t know he was that old. Would explain the time off though.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 15, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where's the option that I like the idea

And with the liklihood that Trent misses some games, i’d rather have him than Fitzpatrick?
Just saying…

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by killascript on Jun 14, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would sign Vick if it was for the right price and right position

He is not a QB anymore, he has been gone to long to bring him in to replace Hamdan right now. As for other uses, Slash style play would do it and he would be good at it as well, but….. it has been 2 years since the man played contact football. I just don’t know if he could do it now.

Aside from the issues that would arrise with signing him (protests, unhappy fans, media scrutiny of the WRONG type) I think that he will play for someone this season. Bengals, Raiders and actually the Bucs make sense for him, heck even the Phins would be a good choice in a way scheme wise, but less so now they have Pat White on board.

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by WABillsfan on Jun 14, 2009 1:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who cares actually?!?! Michael Vick isn’t going to be the reason we can’t beat the Pats again….

Plus, where’s he going to play? Backup RB? Wildcat QB (nope)?

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by Kurupt on Jun 14, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hold on

We were up in arms over the behavour of Lynch, Simpson and Whitner now we are seriously dicussing signing a mediocre QB who has been in jail for two years for heinous crimes including delibaretly breaking a dogs back because it was too harmless.

Can anyone else see the contradiction here?

Its not like Vick is a good as Ray Lewis and can get away with murder!!!

Football. Bloody Hell!!

by gregeng on Jun 14, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL. Agree with you here....

… and I hope the Bills absolutely kill a few Pats………

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by Alpha6 on Jun 14, 2009 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't even tell you how much I hate the idea of Vick as a Bill, but that wont stop me from trying...

I hate the idea of Vick even being considered by the Bills, he’s a low life that would be useless on our team.

What could Vick do in a Bills uniform? Use him in our wild-cat formations, use him as a slot receiver, 20-25% QB work

Ok I don’t know how many more times that we’ll have to go throw this but the Bills DO NOT HAVE A WILDCAT! So we could not use him in “our wild-cat formations” (as you said it) because we don’t even have a wildcat formation.

Using him in the slot is an even worst idea. I mean we all know that Vick can run (just about the only thing that he does well), but we have no idea if he can catch or run routes. To me he’d be behind Parrish in the WR depth chart, which means that he’d maybe see 10 to 15 snaps all year long. Again useless.

And using him for 20 to 25% of the snaps at QB is the worst idea of all. He’s got a cannon of an arm, but NO ACCURACY! And his decision making skills are HORRIBLE! Seriously, Losman had a more accurate arm and better decision making skills then Vick!

I really wish that ppl would stop saying that we should sign this guy, he’d be absolutly useless to us. Just about the only thing that I can think of that we could do with him is use him as the holder for feild goals and occasionally have him run for a first on a fake feild goal attempt. Thats it.

I say let the Pats sign him, it will be one of the few mistakes Belicheck ever does. And we might have a chance to beat the Pats because of it.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 14, 2009 2:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Dolphins didn't have one either until they decided to implement one

It’s not that long to install a wildcat.. And I think that Vick is the absolute best athlete for that type of use, he would shred teams appart from the wildcat, which is what worries me.

If I knew that he’d be going elsewhere I would never have posted anything because I hate the guy, plus I hate the wildcat formation so..
But I also don’t want to see him pop up in NE, so I figured (1) year might not be so bad, but Kaisertown pretty well convinced me that it would do more harm in the end then good.

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by keysh67 on Jun 14, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not that long to install a wildcat.. And I think that Vick is the absolute best athlete for that type of use

He may have been two years ago, he’s not any more. I can’t believe for a second that a guy that ate prison food for two years and was limited to weight lifting workouts can be anywhere near as effective as he was 2 years ago. I mean have you seen how strict athelet’s diet’s are, and how methodical they are in their workouts? There simply no way that Vick is in the same shape as he was when he was playing in Atlanta.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 14, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what was that formation when Edwards was split out wide and Jackson/Lynch was alone in the backfield?

by Ron From NM on Jun 14, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When did we ever do that? Because I honestly don’t remember it.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 14, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Example

Run#10 of the 2nd Miami game: Lynch lined up as the QB and ran for no gain to the left C gap. Peters lined up as the left TE and Walker as the left tackle. (Fine was lined up at RT.) Walker, by the way, was pushed backwards 2 yards and killed the play…not exactly the result we hope to get from Walker now that he’s the real LT instead of just lined up there as a gimmick.

by Ron From NM on Jun 14, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We did the Wildcat with Jackson at least 5-6 times last year

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by keysh67 on Jun 14, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Vick has to have a team built around him to have success.

I don’t see him having a ton of opportunity as a Patriot.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 14, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Belicheat doesn’t sign me-me-me guys. They took a late round (4th?) flyer on Moss, who convinced Belicheat that he’d be a team-first guy. And he has. Vick, on the other hand, has always been about Vick. Does anyone seriously think Belicheat is going to tolerate a player who flips off the hometown fans because they’re booing his shoddy performance?

by Ron From NM on Jun 14, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

U said it all.....Fitz vs. Vick

Here is why:
-What the best answer for an unproven, untalented line? Mobile QB
-History tells us that Edwards will not make it through 16 games
-Wildcat option
-Vick is desperate….he will get in shape and study his butt off
-Stronger arm than Edwards for the deep ball
-Edwards will have some competition
-You can always find ways to get athletes on the field
-Vick will be cheap
-Who cares about PEDA? Im pretty sure Ralph doesnt

by PWilliams on Jun 14, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ll tackle a few of those:

-What the best answer for an unproven, untalented line? Mobile QB

Vick had a good line in Atlanta and was consistently one of the most sacked QBs in the league. His last three years as a starter, he was sacked 41.3 times per season and once for every 4.8 passes he completed. For the sake of comparison, Losman was sacked once for every 5.4 passes he completed in Buffalo. The best QB to put behind a suspect OL is one who can make quick reads and get rid of the ball before the pressure comes.

-Edwards will have some competition

No he won’t. There is no way that Buffalo will give any QB enough snaps in practice to even give the illusion of competition. If Buffalo signed the Vick, the first thing they would say in the press conference is that Trent is the unquestioned and unrivaled starter. It’s possible that Vick wouldn’t even be given the chance to compete with Fitzpatrick to be the backup. He couldn’t pick up the offense in Atlanta so they had to design a dumbed down version for him. After two years without football and with limited training camp snaps, he wouldn’t be ready to be an every down QB at any point this season. And that makes these things irrelevant:

-History tells us that Edwards will not make it through 16 games
-Stronger arm than Edwards for the deep ball

And I don’t know how you can think this:

-Who cares about PEDA? Im pretty sure Ralph doesnt

It’s PETA. As in, people for the ethical treatment of animals. And advertisers might be one example of someone who cares about PETA. And if advertisers care then Ralph cares. And Ralph doesn’t have to care about an animal rights organization to care about the kind of person that Vick is and the negative media attention that he would bring. How could Ralph not care about the nightly news, ESPN and other national media showing protesters outside of the stadium that bears his name?

-Wildcat option

This is the one thing that is truly intriuging. The possibilities for Vick in specificly designed plays are limitless. And it’s potential to have a big impact on games is substantial. But I just don’t think that all the negative things that would go along with signing Vick are worth what he could bring as a wildcat option.

by kaisertown on Jun 14, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bills fans obsession with the Pats is bordering on paranoia

Vick simply is not a good fit for the Bills and the dumbest thing any team could do is to sign a player simply to prevent the competition from doing so. c’mon guys, get real.

by dzil on Jun 14, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d agree with you but what would you call the Fred Taylor signing by the Patriots?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 14, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d call it the Pats securing the services of a player with 1-2 more good years left in him.

by Ron From NM on Jun 14, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, signing Taylor had to do with NE deciding they needed to up their Laurance Maroney insurance package and prevent last year’s RB situation from repeating itself this year. Thinking that NE signing Taylor had anything to do with Buffalo is the exact kind of paranoia that dzil is talking about.

And if Twilight meant that Buffalo should have signed Taylor so the Pats couldn’t. I would disagree with that too. He’s a good player, but in the deep committee that NE will use this year, Taylor won’t make much more of a difference than which ever RB they would have signed if they missed out on him.

by kaisertown on Jun 14, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t mean that the Bills should have signed Taylor to keep him away from the Pats. I don’t think you can discount his visit to New England as nothing more than speculative interest, though. That team is savvy.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 15, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The amount of “Vick to the Bills” posts has already bordered on insane. This is already getting worse than all the myrad Jason Peters posts we had to suffer through, and there was actually a reason for those posts.

I refuse to comment on any more Michael Vick posts, not because I hate him, but because the posts have become just another reason to rehash the same arguments over and over, and this time for virtually no purpose.

"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
"In my heart, I know I'm funny." Lt Steven Hauk, Good Morning Vietnam - 1987

by thefourwinds on Jun 15, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When I don’t like a post I simply don’t waste my time posting, I suggest you do the same instead of trying to be insulting.

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FEED the BEAST!

by keysh67 on Jun 16, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not that I mind this particular post per se. It’s that the same thing keeps coming up over and over, with the same arguments being hashed out over and over. Like I said, it’s like what happened with Peters. There were several people when the Peters posts got rehashed over and over that said the same thing I am saying.

"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
"In my heart, I know I'm funny." Lt Steven Hauk, Good Morning Vietnam - 1987

by thefourwinds on Jun 16, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

40% voting yes!?!?!

Disappointing.

It's just a game.

by jj24 on Jun 15, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah but 60% combined voting for No (although for different reasons). Last time I cheked, 60% of votes is a landslide for you guys.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 15, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty sure that’s a US political reference, but I’m actually surpised by the 40% too. I thought it would be closer to 75/25.

by kaisertown on Jun 16, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, yeah that was a political reference. But I too am very surprised by the 40% aproval, I just can’t understand how Vick would be an asset to us at all.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 16, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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