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Jets head coach Rex Ryan plays Ring Around the Rosie with his running backs and makes bold claims about his young players. (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)

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Jets head coach Rex Ryan plays Ring Around the Rosie with his running backs and makes bold claims about his young players. (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)

As the sixth overall pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, New York Jets DE/OLB Vernon Gholston carried with him lofty expectations.  Coming out of Ohio State as arguably the best pass rusher available last season, however, Gholston was a major disappointment in his rookie season in New York, registering just 13 tackles - while failing to pick up a single sack - in spot duty as a rush linebacker reserve.

Drafted by a regime featuring the now-departed Eric Mangini, many believe that Gholston will find new life under aggressive new head coach Rex Ryan.  Many are likening Gholston's abilities to those of Baltimore's Terrell Suggs, a 4-3 defensive end at Arizona State that struck it big in Baltimore as a 3-4 rush linebacker.  Much of Ryan's success can in part be credited to the presence of Suggs, who remains one of the league's elite sack artists.

Ryan - never one to back down from making bold proclamations - has perpetuated the Gholston/Suggs comparisons, claiming that he sees big things for the second-year defender in his scheme.  What do Jets fans ultimately believe of Gholston's prospects under Ryan in New York? John B of Gang Green Nation is our go-to guy for the Jets.

Gholston struggled through a highly unproductive rookie season switching from a 4-3 at Ohio State to Mangini's 3-4.  Ryan has already claimed that he believes Gholston will explode onto the scene in his system, but as of right now, Gholston is not listed as a starter.  What does Gholston need to accomplish to meet Ryan's expectations?

John B: He needs to become a difference maker. The Jets have playmakers at many of the same positions the Ravens do. They do not, however, have an edge rusher like Terrell Suggs. Suggs made Ryan's scheme next to impossible to block. Before any offensive lines had to account for his exotic blitzes from all angles, they had to first make sure they had their eyes on Suggs. This opened things up for others. There is only one Terrell Suggs in the NFL. Gholston does not have to be as good, but he does need to give the Jets a guy opposing lines have to keep their attention on. The team could not get any pressure on the quarterback without sending at least five a year ago. A pass rusher is sorely needed. Gholston was a top ten pick. He has had an entire year to learn his new position. There are no more excuses.

Unfortunately, I'm pessimistic on Gholston. A lot of players overcome disappointing starts to their careers. However, these players typically show flashes of promise and lead you to believe they can become something if they can bring it consistently. Gholston showed absolutely nothing in his rookie year - not one sack from a guy considered a one-dimensional pass rusher coming out. He looked like he was playing in quicksand. He does not own many moves, and his Combine athleticism does not appear to translate to pads and a helmet.

Ryan compared Gholston to Suggs, but he also compared Eric Smith to Ed Reed. I tend to think the analogies are equally off the wall.

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I have nothing to add, and always appreciate a little pessimism from knowledgeable fans of our rivals.  I, however, think Gholston has a chance to rebound in a big way under Ryan - and there's enough competition at his position to make him earn it.  I'll close with this: I still believe that Gholston is ultimately a better fit in a 4-3, and I don't think he'll ever reach his full potential as a rush 'backer in a 3-4 defense.  He was bred to play on the line.

We've got Dolphins and Patriots segments coming up per usual, so stay tuned.

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Gholston definately has the tools

I think he and our no1 pick will flourish as a 3-4 LB and flounder as a hand down, 4-3 DE.

by BuffaloChip on Jun 19, 2009 7:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nope.

until he devolps, I think him blitzing from Ellison’s OLB spot will be his only usefull spot on our defense. He’s gonna be mauled on the line.

by BuffaloChip on Jun 19, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jun 19, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you for the non-homeristic brush off.

I very little improvement in our pass rush aside from the return of grandpa Schoebel

by BuffaloChip on Jun 20, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why does “optimist” have to be “homer”? And, for that matter, why does “realist” have to be “pessimist”?

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 20, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you know...with that said

Its all a crap shoot as to whats going to happen until we can see the pads on, and see how it goes. Maybin could be amazing, lackluster, or just a solid, two down rotation contributor. Or he could be a tweener the Bills use as a Blitz package OLB, or he may even surpass Kelsay by the end of the year as the starter.
But yeah, Brian’s right….if I would have just said, “I think he can do some damage against opposing OTs” would I be anything more than an optimist who thinks that the quickest pass rusher coming out of the draft might be able to get the best of some of the opponents tackles…why would i just be a blind-folded, kool-aid drinking homer. But of course, they do exist, as do the pessimists, who dismiss everthing and think we suck no matter what….weird

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jun 20, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then there’s the homers like me this year who think we’re winning 10-12 games…..

Everyone has a photographic memory… some just don’t have film

by J2 on Jun 20, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After all...

I’m arealistic optimist. :-)

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Jun 22, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well it took Mario Williams time to get acclimated to the NFL as well – with that being said – Gholston definately seems more suited for the line than a backer.

he’s just not as fluid as I thought he would be after watching him – however – he is young, has a ton of potential and now he has Ryan to scheme for him.

I know Rex is kind of a bold guy – but he knows how to run a defense. If anyone can get something out of this kid its Ryan. Hopefully it just takes him – oh 5 or so more years :-)

Everyone has a photographic memory… some just don’t have film

by J2 on Jun 19, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MArio showed flashes

Just as the Jets bblogger said, “players who rebound show flashes” of good play…Gholston I’m unsure, but I don’t rule him out for being a good player…but I hope not

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jun 19, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats what i’m hoping from McCargo – I’ve seen his flashes and I hope this year is his year

Everyone has a photographic memory… some just don’t have film

by J2 on Jun 19, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I keep remembering that one play at the end of the 07 season when he blasted through the line against…the eagles?…but, here’s hopin’ he’s motivated, although it seems his college career may have benefited from playing next to a player who will be dominating on defense for the next ten years

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jun 19, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giants. Late goal line stand in a monsoon/blizzard. I was there.

No night spent pantsless is a wasted night.

by sireric on Jun 19, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was there

for the first half, but I was not prepared for the weather…at least I saw the half of a game we won

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jun 19, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I woulda been there. But my friend got arrested the night before and I ended up sitting in the Rochester City Police Station until about 6 a.m. I decided sleep was more important after that.

If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...

by thatguy34 on Jun 20, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m just hoping that Gholston turns into another McCargo. High expectations, increadibly horrible production. I also think that Ryan is very overated and even if he braught his support cast with him from Baltimore (Scott and Leonard) he forgot to bring an actual start. The only thing from the jets deffence that has me a bit worried is their starting CB’s.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 19, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Jets are so down on Gholston, I’d trade them Copland Bryan straight up for him.

No night spent pantsless is a wasted night.

by sireric on Jun 19, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Like that idea

Can you put a bug in Tannenbaum’s ear?

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jun 19, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d give them Alvin Bowen too

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jun 19, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And maybe the eagle’s 6th rounder.

I think that Gholston will be as big of a disapointment as McCargo as long as he stays an LB, but he should do well as a 4-3 DE. And I wouldn’t mind having both Maybin and Gholston looking ahead to the future.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 19, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rex looks like he's square dancing

All he needs is the straw hat and a string tie.

Can you tell he’s Buddy’s son? He sure talks like him! ;D

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jun 19, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Look at me, I’m a smarmy fat guy. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee”

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jun 19, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jun 19, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same jowly face and pot belly as Buddy, too!

Time to take out some more life insurance, Mr. Gilbride…there goes the neighborhood!

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jun 19, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just once

I would like to see a pic of Jauron doing something like that.

Why does this quote remind me of what it is like to be a Bills fan?

" It is impossible for words….to describe…what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror….horror has a face….and you must make a friend of horror...." – Marlon Brando

by Joe P. on Jun 19, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate the J-E-T-S...

but I actually like Ryan (and his brother), I don’t see why people say he is a jackass. Say what you will, but he is getting his players motivated and pissing other teams’ players off. What is wrong with that? Ryan gets in their heads disrupting their focus, some may say that its bulletin board material, maybe but even if it is, fine. Then the pissed-off players are focused on one guy on one team and they’re not thinking about every other game they have before that. I like his passion for the game and his attitude, he will make sure that the Jets are a more physical team than they were before. J-E-T-S S-U-C-K!

by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 19, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gholston would be a better 4-3 DE, but I'm not sure he will ever be worthy of a top 10 pick status DE

Mario may have struggled his first year in Houston with the speed of the NFL, position changes, and injuries, but he still showed several flashes of real ability out there on the field. All of the Jets games I caught last season, Gholston has Nada, Zip, Zero such flashes. He looked slow, out of place and just completely lost, NOT good things for a team needing him to become a real pass rusher.

For us his opponents? GREAT, hope Rex keeps chucking him out there and he keeps sucking, makes our O’s job alot easier!

(443): My mom came into my room and told me to flip off the tv. I gave it the middle finger. Note to self: STOP SMOKING THIS S#!T

-textsfromlastnight.com

by WABillsfan on Jun 19, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hate to burst your bubble,

but if anyone can get production out of Gholston, it’s T-Rex.

Hey Brian, can you graft a Reptar head on Rex for us? LOL!

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jun 19, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shouldn’t it be a tyrannosaurus?

It's just a game.

by jj24 on Jun 20, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Technically, yeah

But Reptar puts a more comical spin on the guy, like “his bark is worse than his bite”.

How about "Rex"tar? Does that suit him better?

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jun 22, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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