Some thoughts
I'll start with something I found by accident. I'm not sure if people have ever seen this, but pro-football reference has a list of the Bills' starters by year and also gives their record each season. It goes way back and looks accurate. It's worth a quick glance for amusement and stashing in your favorites for later reference.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/lineups.htm
So I was thinking about the sack numbers that Mark Gaughan writes about in a Buffalo News article that you can read HERE that Kurupt discussed in a fanpost HERE. In the article, Gaughan claims that the Bills blitzed on 32% of pass plays and that 17 of their 24 sacks came on plays where they blitzed. So if you figure that the Bills opponents threw the ball 516 times (and that doesn't include plays where a QB felt the pressure and took off) and Buffalo blitzed on 32% of those plays, then there were 350 plays where the opponent threw the ball and Buffalo didn't blitz. 7 sacks on 350 plays is exactly 2%. When Buffalo rushed 4 players, they got a sack one out of every 50 pass attempts. Maybin is a fine start to rebuilding the defensive line, but don't expect me to stop asking for more help anytime soon.
And more on the pass rush, I really like the duo of Stroud and Williams, Johnson is decent and I feel like I'm one of the few who has never completely given up on McCargo, but don't expect the Bills' DTs to be part of the solution to a better pass rush. Stroud and Williams are both good for a few sacks a season which is very respectable for 310ish pounders who are better run stoppers than pass rushers. I was hoping that Spencer Johnson would be able to come in and provide a few sacks situationally, but that doesn't seem likely after watching him play last year. McCargo wasn't a good pass rusher in college and probably profiles better as a two gap player than he does in this defense. That is why I wanted Buffalo to draft a pass rushing DT and would have taken Jarron Gilbert with the 42nd pick. Buffalo should have done everything they could to improve the pass rush. They didn't and it's going to show again this season.
I have every intention on doing some some film study of Buffalo's defense this year. My intentions are more about compiling numbers then analyzing who is doing good and who isn't. I'm trying to keep it as objective as possible and don't feel expert enough to do grades like Ron does. I'm thinking about trying to keep notes on: How often the team blitzes, how many players they blitz and what players do the blitzing. How many yards the opposing team gains when we blitz vs. when we don't blitz. Who is getting double teamed on pass and run plays. Which CBs and safeties generally cover which players and who gives up the completions and maybe how bad the coverage was. Where players record tackles (something like close to line, 4 or more yards away from line and way down field). Anyone have other ideas? I can only do so much so what do people want to see the most? Anyone planning anything similiar?
Part of being a fan is being optimistic and getting excited. One unfortunate result of that is that players regularly don't live up to the expectations of the fans. I'm getting worried that TO is going to be one of those players that dissapoints. I think he'll have a really good season here, but he's not the top 10 WR that he has been for his entire career. The fanpost about Steve Johnson supplanting Reed in the slot got me thinking about this. If Reed's drops are still fresh in peoples' memories, then what are they going to do when TO starts dropping a ball every other week? Here is a stat for you: TO has dropped 35 passes over the last three seasons. It's easy to rip on someone like Braylon Edwards for his struggles last year, but he only dropped a few more passes last year than TO drops every season.
And to continue on TO, what kind of production are people really expecting? Dallas threw the ball at TO 140 times last year. It was the 8th most of any WR. For the sake of camparison, Buffalo threw at Evans 102 times. TO caught 69 passes which is actually a pretty pathetic 50% catch rate. That basically means that dropping 10 passes per season is bad news and that Dallas forced some balls at Owens. The WR with the next most catches to also have a rate lower than 50% was Braylon Edwards and his 55 catches. What are the odds that TO goes the whole season without complaining about not getting the ball enough? My guess is somewhere around 1 in 4.
I don't want to sound pessimistic about TO because I thought the signing was the perfect decision. So I'll throw out some things to be excited about: Lee Evans is the obvious one. Teams are going to have to play a lot of two deep zone or else they are really going to be relying on the FS to cover more ground than most guys can handle. As long as Trent can read those safeties and is willing to trust his instinct and take some shots downfield, Evans could have more big plays than ever. The next thing to be excited about is that Terrell Owens has the single greatest middle name ever. I'll give you 1,000 guesses ..... Nope it's Eldorado. How awesome is that? And the best thing about TO is TDs. TO can beat you on every route in the playbook and his big physical frame and style make him the perfect addition for a team that has really struggled in the red zone.
I know it's early for fantasy football, but after looking at Yahoo's rankings, I'm already worried about how to rank the top 25 or so players this year. I'm in a very deep, very competitive money league with some friends. It's a touchdown league and we start 2 QBs, so they go really fast. When you figure that there are 7 QBs who should go really high in my league (Brees, Manning, Brady, Romo, Warner, Rivers, Rodgers), 4 STUD WRs (Fitz, Moss, A.Johnson, C.Johnson) and 15 or so RBs that could be put in a million different orders, I'm already sweating out the first few rounds of the draft. Is Tomlinson in the top 3 or out of the top 10? Is Peterson really worth the number one pick? DeAngelo Williams had 20 TDs last year? What about time share guys like Chris Johnson? Can Steve Slaton or Jones-Drew hold up to a full season at their size? These rankings might literally push me over the edge into insanity.
The trend for hiring head coaches has been to go with the hot coordinator. But so many teams have done that, there aren't many names left out there. I'm sure we will see some former HCs get some jobs next offseason, but I'll throw Leslie Frazier's name out there as my guess as to who the Bills will hire if Jauron can't do better than 7-9 again.
Alright Rumblers, there's a lot in there and I know you've all got some thoughts. We've got little else to talk about for the next few weeks, so let's hear what you're thinking.
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I wouldn’t count out Cutler among QBs, though he certainly has some proving to do in Chicago.
"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
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by thefourwinds on Jun 20, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, K mentioned Cutler too, but in my league I wouldn’t put him in that top tier. When i say my league is a TD league, it’s an understatement if we’re talking about QBs. We award one point for every 20 yeards rushing or receiving and every 40 passing yards and there are no partial or fractional points. If your QB throws for 199 yards, then it’s only 4 points. And what makes things really crazy is that you get 6 points for all TDs including passing TDs. You also lose 2 points for INTs. So TDs are everything. Cutler threw 25 TDs last year and ran for two more. Rivers threw for 34 and Rodgers scored 32 times. Considering that Chicago is going to run the ball and have a better defense, I don’t think Cutler can outperform his numbers last year. And while he is a still a great bet in standard leagues, I’m worried that the lack of red zone options will lead to Cutler scoring fewer than 25 times. He’s firmly in the second tier with McNabb and some other guys and if Denver were to trade for Brandon Marshall or find a way to get Plax Burress on the field for 16 games then I would definitely have him up in that top group. And with 10 teams in my league, we end with 20 starting QBs so Cutler will surely be a very highly saught (I can’t imagine I spelled that right) after commodity. I’d bet there are 13 or 14 QBs drafted in the top 50 picks in our draft.
And K mentioned Romo so I might as well bring it up here, that I won’t really rate him too far ahead of Cutler or McNabb or even Schaub, but it’s fantasy football and there’s always somebody in the room who will grab a guy like Romo a round too early.
by kaisertown on Jun 20, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it’s fantasy football and there’s always somebody in the room who will grab a guy like Romo a round too early.
And I’m so glad I’m not that guy..
by krytime on Jun 20, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if you figure that the Bills opponents threw the ball 516 times (and that doesn’t include plays where a QB felt the pressure and took off) and Buffalo blitzed on 32% of those plays, then there were 350 plays where the opponent threw the ball and Buffalo didn’t blitz. 7 sacks on 350 plays is exactly 2%. When Buffalo rushed 4 players, they got a sack one out of every 50 pass attempts.
And that’s exactly why I was calling for multiple additions to such a putrid unit. I feel like any four of us could put up 1 sack in 50 attempts. For all the nice additions the team made this offseason, including Maybin, they still don’t look to be close to where they need to be from a pass rushing standpoint, IMO. It’s going to continue being an ongoing problem. This year will see a number of quality passing games that will have no problem carving up our defense if they don’t face pressure. New Orleans, Indy, NE twice, Houston could really take it to us. QB’s like Pennington, Delhomme, Garrard, Cassel, Collins are so much easier to shut down when pressured, and tend to turn it over. We have to get pressure on these guys, and I’m afraid it’s going to be a problem again.
Buffalo should have done everything they could to improve the pass rush. They didn’t and it’s going to show again this season.
Yup….And that’s exactly why I wanted them to add Everette Brown as well. I don’t care that he would only be a situational rusher. When you’re relying on Kelsay, Denney and a declining Schobel with a foot injury that could return at any time, you should have been adding more players with pass rush talent. It would have helped this year, and really been beneficial for the future. Ugh.
Anyone have other ideas? I can only do so much so what do people want to see the most? Anyone planning anything similiar?
If you do all that work, I’m not sure how much more can be added! I’m always curious about QB pressures, so that’s a good one to be aware of. Obviously, that’s an area that has killed us in recent years, so I want to see how bad it really is statistically if at all possible. I already look forward to whatever you do analyzing the D. There are certainly 16 rec’s in your future.
The difference between TO’s drops and Edwards’ drops of last season were that TO still made plays, and always seems to make plays. Edwards was just dreadful for the Browns last year. If TO continues his drops (likely), but still gives us a number of big plays and gets in the end zone, I don’t think we’ll be too ticked off.
I still can’t believe some think Johnson will supplant Reed this year. Reed is too valuable and too much of a security blanket for Trent. Let’s let Johnson get more comfortable and prove himself for more than a handful of games before anointing him.
I’m not worried about TO getting his 1000 yards and 8-10 TD’s. I think he’ll find a way to get it done. I am more worried about Evans being what everyone expects this year. He indeed should see less doubles and more chances deep, but that goes hand in hand with Trent have the confidence to throw it downfield to him. He did it early last year, but then pretty much shut it down after that. That was partially the doubles Evans saw, but I still maintain that Trent didn’t have the confidence to throw it downfield as much. That absolutely has to change. If Trent has that confidence, I expect Evans to have a pretty darn good year, but if not, his numbers will really suffer as TO racks up the underneath stats.
Fantasy….ooooh yea! I was bored this morning and tried a Mock Draft on ESPN.com. What a mess! I had the 3rd pick and ended up with MoJo, Moss and Roddy White with my first 3 picks. Normally, I try to grab a pair of RB’s and a WR with those first 3, but it just wasn’t worth it. The top 8-10 RB’s are all so similar but after them there is a ton of time shares, injury concerns and other quesion marks. Finding that RB2 after the top 15 picks in the draft might be difficult this year. I ended up adding Joseph Addai and Jon Stewart within the top 60, and LeRon McClain and Freddie a few rounds later. Nice depth, but no sure things.
Not that it means anything, but LT went 8th, right after DeAngelo Willams and Chris Johnson. That’s going to be some tough picking in that range. I think LT has one more monster season in him, so I think I’d take him above those other two for sure. My money league is PPR, so LT has a ton of value still. I think MoJo can hold up based on his size, he is 210 lbs of solid muscle and attitude after all. Where he might have problems is with the way he plays; he runs like he’s 230 lbs. He’s got to be able to avoid some of the contact he’s grown to enjoy to survive the year, most likely. I’m still amazed Slaton had such a good year. I never thought he was anything special in college and was shocked at how well he ran the ball last year. Throw in his receiving skills and he really has a shot to be a top 5 back this year, no question. I’m just a little concerned about him.
The guy that is really going to mess w/my head is Matt Forte. Is he as good as he played last year? Is he really worth a top 3 or 4 pick? How will Cutler affect his receiving numbers this year, since I don’t recall Cutler throwing to his RB’s that much in Denver.
I think McNabb and Cutler should be included at the end of your top QB list. I’m thinking they might even be ahead of Romo. Matt Schaub, when healthy, is as productive a QB as you’ll find not named Brady, Brees, Manning or Warner. I really like him, but he’s a guy you really need to have a quality second option for, or in your case a quality 3rd QB.
You got me all excited about FF now….damn you!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jun 20, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
holy hell this is a long post
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 20, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn....it is!
When I get going, I get going….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jun 20, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Byrd isn’t an outright stud pretty much right off the bat OBD will—and should—hear about passing on Everett Brown at #42. When Brown didn’t go at #41 I was having visions of that milling around defense the Bills sometimes use—with Maybin, Brown, Mitchell overloading one side of the offensive line.
by Ron From NM on Jun 20, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Fewell likes to call it “The Creep”. I also like it and it seems to have been fairly effective when used in the past. It could be another creative trick to get Maybin on the field for more snaps if he can handle the mental part of it.
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by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Jun 20, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The great thing about it is that it doesn’t require a great deal of mental energy. The Bills use it only in obvious passing situations so Maybin (and others) can pin their ears back and try to find a way back to the QB.
by Ron From NM on Jun 20, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Maybin is just a season or two away from being a 12 sack per year guy, this team isn’t even close to fixing that problem. And even if he is going to be that good, they still need to add a couple more complimentary players. I think that’s enough for that topic, at least for today.
I hit the QBs up top, but at least it’s easy to rank those guys. I have no clue what to do with the RBs. I guess Peterson is number one? My league is so TD heavy that I’m not sure he’s worth it though. Are all those carries going to catch up to Michael Turner? And check out his game log from last season:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6913/gamelog;_ylt=ApQQaJzEj0w6dGT52Vv9zML.uLYF
A lot of his success came from beating up on bad teams. His schedule for this season isn’t quite as kind. And Atlanta plays Buffalo in week 16, otherwise known as the finals for my and most leagues. Do you really want a Falcon on your roster if his success against the Bills could be what wins or losses you hundreds of dollars? I might avoid Falcons players this year, although I bet I won’t be using the same philosophy for New England players and we play them week 15.
And then you’ve got so many question marks. Tomlinson and Westbrook have health and age questions. I’m with you on Forte driving me nuts. I could put him in the top 3-4 RBs or he could be a fringy top 10 guy. Brandon Jacobs is a stud with my league settings, but he doesn’t have a handcuff who is going to score TDs and it’s not fun to trot your fifth RB out there to start when one of your other starters has a bye (we start 3 RBs). Are Steven Jackson, Frank Gore and Marion Barber overrated because of past success or underrated because of recent injuries or average seasons? Can Chris Johnson or Steve Slaton actually improve on their numbers for last year or is that their ceiling? I could go on all day.
If you do all that work, I’m not sure how much more can be added! I’m always curious about QB pressures, so that’s a good one to be aware of.
I wasn’t planning on doing all of those, they are just some of the things I am considering. QB pressures would be a great thing to keep track of. I’ll have to watch some preseason and see if I can come up with a method that takes bias out of the equation.
by kaisertown on Jun 20, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll have to watch some preseason and see if I can come up with a method that takes bias out of the equation.
If Kelsay doesn’t get pancaked, consider it a QB pressure on his part. No bias whatsoever.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jun 21, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with K but also add...
that goes hand in hand with Trent have the confidence to throw it downfield to him. He did it early last year, but then pretty much shut it down after that. That was partially the doubles Evans saw, but I still maintain that Trent didn’t have the confidence to throw it downfield as much.
Some of the blame for this has to be put on the O-line and the lack of time they allowed for the deep routes to develop. When Trent has to get the ball out right away or run away from D-lineman who are in his face, it is not conducive to a lot of deep balls. Hopefully the changes to the interior of the O-line will turn out to be upgrades. If we are pining for Duke Preston and Dockery by week 8, needless to say the team will be in big trouble. We all know this already but there is plenty of blame to be spread around for the offensive ineptitude.
I'll donate $1 to help Mary Wilson pay the estate tax...who's with me?!?
by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Jun 20, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we could be 0-16 and i will know in my heart that it would have been worse if Preston had been playing!
Football. Bloody Hell!!
by gregeng on Jun 20, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards needs to throw with anticipation, not wait until receivers are standing wide open. Hopefully he’s getting more confident in his ability to read defenses and will put the ball where the WR will come open. My guess is that we see some horrible INTs during the first part of the year as Edwards misjudges those windows…but that he’ll keep after it and improve steadily.
by Ron From NM on Jun 20, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Still you have to feel for Edwards, he had a crummy O line, that couldn’t handle pressure and Edwards had to get the ball out quick. His only deep threat, Evans, double teamed on most plays. And how many times did Turk start a running play 7 yards deep in the backfield that Marshawn barely got back to the line. The play calling was unimaginative, his receiver was covered and his line allowed unfettered access. I was encouraged by the few long bombs I saw him throw, he definately has the arm and the touch to get it in there. I believe if we can get the running game going better, and get those 2nd and short, third and short, causing the D to have to defend the run, and throw some unexpected bombs we’ll be in good shape. But when your always third and long not much different for the D to cover a ten yard or 20 yard route when they know your throwing it.
by mavadjdj on Jun 20, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The line was bad, but not that bad. He had time to throw many times and he just was way too hesitant. That has to dissipate if we want to have a successful offense.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jun 21, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A creative offensive scheme, which hopefully a no huddle offense will help, would go a long way to helping him out. Last year it was too easy for the D’s to know what was coming, hell I was calling most of the plays before they were ran.
by mavadjdj on Jun 21, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there were certain situations in which Edwards was anticipating his receiver being open very well, but in others he couldn’t. Most of those others were 7-8 man coverage schemes, something that should be solved not by Trent but by RUNNING THE BALL!. Hopefully the Oline will assist at that this year, and if Trent can audible successfully, he should have the freedom to get into the right play more often.
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by thefourwinds on Jun 20, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our Defense was ranked 14th Last year.
That is two spots away from the precise middle of the pack. Also, alot of sacks and turnovers away from top ten in the league. We can’t afford to wait one or two years for Maybin to adjust, we need contributions now, today. Other than Maybin we have to bank on the return and development of previous draft picks and season ending injuries of a year ago for improvement.
Our Offensive line was better the last couple years than the previous five or six years. Playmakers were scarce on offense, Peerless provided a little glimmer of hope along with Micheal Gains on offense but still not enough to improve and neither lasted long on the roster.
Its gotta be our offense holding the key to improving the team this season. They need to be on the field more and finish drives with touchdowns not field goals. The playmakers were brought in for this but it is now up to the offensive line and Turks game plan to dissect the schemes of the Pats, Dolfins and jets. Gotta win those games first. Going 0 – 6 against the division wow rule one is compete against your own division first, to win it.
We get our offense in order and our defense will improve and possibly the defense is already post season ready. Bring FF into this and I can’t remember when the bills had more that two impact players, let alone a weekly starter.
I hate being so pessimistic towards a team that I have coveted for decades.
by VanScottM on Jun 21, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our Offensive line was better the last couple years than the previous five or six years. Playmakers were scarce on offense, Peerless provided a little glimmer of hope along with Micheal Gains on offense but still not enough to improve and neither lasted long on the roster.
Did you forget about 2008?!?! And what did Price show us in 2007 that was a glimmer, anyhow?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jun 21, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I thought Price was dreadful in 2007. He only averaged 8.2 yards per catch that season. Brian Finneran and his 21 catches and 8.0 yards per was the only WR in the league to catch 20 passes and have a ypc under 9. Watching Josh Reed, it feels like he is the king of the short route, but even he has a career ypc average of 11.6 and his only season under 10 ypc was way back in 2004 when he only caught 16 balls.
by kaisertown on Jun 21, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its gotta be our offense holding the key to improving the team this season.
Absolutely. The only way this team makes the playoffs is with a great season from Trent and the offense.
by kaisertown on Jun 21, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need to be on the field more and finish drives with touchdowns not field goals.
How’s this for a stat? Buffalo attempted 38 field goals last year which was the 4th most in the league. They attempted 34 extra points (and that includes their 5 defensive and special teams TDs) which was the 10th fewest in the league.
The only other teams to attempt more field goals than extra points were Cincinatti, Cleveland, Washington, St. Louis, Tampa Bay and Oakland.
by kaisertown on Jun 21, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Explanation
Peerless Price second bout in Buffalo allowed Josh Reed to move back to the slot. Although his skills have deminished I still considered him a viable alternative for a number two wide out. Key phrase there is viable alternative. Micheal Gains, well he did score more touchdowns per tight end Vs the others of recent memory. Not much more. Both players brought in a little experience as well. I recall seasons when the red zone was a night mare for us. Those two brought a little glimmer of hope to loosen that up. We gave up alot of sacks last year probably for many reasons, but Trent also had more time in the pocket than Johnson, Flutie, Bledsoe and even Losman. Losman had a hard time hitting targets when he did have time.
Today going into 2009. Lynch will be a playmaker, with owens in the mix Lee will be a playmaker as well as Terrell. Josh Reed should duplicate last year with Johnson in the wings providing a different twist when called upon. Finally this could be the year we unveil a consistent tight end option. With the competitiion we have at that position something has got to peak here. Bringing us back to the offensive line providing this opportunity for the playmakers to make plays. This would allow Trent to become a playmaker as well.
by VanScottM on Jun 21, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fantasy
If you are in a non-ppr league that starts 2 QB’s forget the early WR. You have 3 QB’s worth taking early Brees, Manning, Brady. From a QB perspective If you don’t get one of these guys then wait. I dont feel the next tier of guys Warner, Romo, Rivers, Rodgers are that much better if at all then McNabb, Schaub, Palmer, Roth, Cutler, Hass, Ryan. I have heard legit arguments that any of the 11 listed QBs after the big 3 could finish the season #4 and they are hard to argue with.
by Berg79 on Jun 22, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good post kaiser
and I read it a few days ago but I’ve been very busy for the past few weeks and haven’t had much time to respond to much of anything on this blog lately. I’ll write a longer response later on but for now, in regards to this
And to continue on TO, what kind of production are people really expecting? Dallas threw the ball at TO 140 times last year. It was the 8th most of any WR. For the sake of camparison, Buffalo threw at Evans 102 times. TO caught 69 passes which is actually a pretty pathetic 50% catch rate.
I wonder how many times Johnson and whoever their other back up (name on the tip of my tongue but I can’t remember) was threw the ball at TO out of desperation. They did look horrible in place of Romo last year for that 4 game stretch that he missed. Maybe they hucked some of those ducks in his direction?
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