Around the AFC East: Ranking the division's running backs
It's Friday. If you're a veteran in this little corner of the Internet, you know that today is traditionally the day where we interview SB Nation's AFC East bloggers about their respective teams in an effort to better know the Buffalo Bills' biggest rivals.
Forgive me for saying so, but those posts have gotten a bit dreary over the past few weeks. I get it - it's June, and y'all have some difficulty drumming up football-related vitriol for the enemy when the sport is on the backburner for the better part of two months. But that doesn't mean we can't try to spice things up a bit. We'll do that this morning.
We, along with our friends at The Phinsider, Pats Pulpit and Gang Green Nation, have decided that rather than just do the typical question and answer format, we'd ramp up the energy a bit. Today, the four SB Nation AFC East blogs will be talking divisional running backs; more specifically, we're ranking them. There's going to be controversy. There will most definitely be disagreements, and a bit of homerism. So forget that it's June. Let's talk football, and let's do it with a bit of Bills team pride.
My rankings of the AFC East's running backs are after the jump. Be sure to check out the rest of the blogs for their rankings as well. Then leave your thoughts on the rankings in the comments section - no holds barred.
1. New York Jets
Yeah, I know. I'm supposed to be a homer. But I'm trying to be fair, here, and I truly believe that the Jets have the best stable of running backs in the division.
Why? Simple - the Jets have the only home run threat at the position in the entire division. Leon Washington is a completely unique talent at this position in the AFC East. He's not a workhorse, but he's got a dash of Brian Westbrook in him. Add in Thomas Jones - as dependable a veteran as you can find in this league - and a physical, talented rookie in Shonn Greene, and the Jets are simply loaded at this position. They have an excellent mix of veteran and youth, size and speed, and different skill sets. They're the best.
2. Buffalo Bills
I'll put the Bills second ahead of two more excellent groups of running backs. I honestly believe that Marshawn Lynch is the closest thing to a "complete" running back in this division (with Ronnie Brown a very close second). That doesn't exactly set the Bills too far apart from Miami, however; trust me - there's a reason I ranked them ahead of the Fish.
That reason is Fred Jackson. Yeah, I know Ricky Williams is a heck of a football player, and despite his checkered past, he's one Miami player that I respect the hell out of. But Fred Jackson does more for a football team than Ricky Williams does. He does more for an offense. (The fact that the Bills have a far more proven third back - Dominic Rhodes - helps as well.)
3. Miami Dolphins
I love Ronnie Brown in terms of pure football talent. He's big, strong, and fast - and he can pick up yardage in big chunks. The fact that he's capable of running the Wildcat offense only enhances his value. But he has a tendency to get nicked up, and he has never quite reached the level one might expect a former No. 2 overall pick to achieve.
I've mentioned Williams. People forget about Patrick Cobbs, too - he's a very solid receiving threat, and honestly could do with a few more touches. Miami is third on my list, but there's clearly talent here.
4. New England Patriots
The Pats have to finish last at something, right? I'll be the first to admit that the Patriots' spread offense makes having an overly talented stable of running backs a lower priority. But that Pats do have talent here. They go four deep with Laurence Maroney, Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris and the ever-irksome Kevin Faulk. The problem isn't quantity, clearly; it's not quality, either. These are some good football players, and each guy brings something a little different to the table. The problem is that there isn't a workhorse. That's not a problem for the Patriots, but in a ranking like this, it's good enough to put them at the bottom of the list - particularly when the division is so loaded at the position.
Agree? Disagree? Let us know - and if you've got a gripe about anyone else's AFC East running back rankings, we'd love to hear about it here, too.
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Just to make the searching easier.
Phinsider rankings – MIA – BUF – NYJ – NE
Pats Pulpit rankings – NE – NYJ – MIA – BUF
Gang Green rankings – NYJ – BUF – MIA – NE (looks familiar!)
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 26, 2009 8:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, these guys were being objective. LOL!
by Zumone on Jun 26, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow PP.
Just wow.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 26, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya – little homerism there? those guys are smoking something for sure. Same with phinsider.
Whats up with all those other blogs? Your the only one being objective Brian by not putting the Bills first – jeez.
BTW – I know the Jets have Leon and that probably makes them the best – but the Bills are their 1b to their 1a. I don’t think there’s much of a drop off.
I also think that Lynch is heads and shoulders better than all the RB’s in the division and as a result puts us as the best RB tandem in the division. But thats my opinion….
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just because Matty put the Fins first
doesn’t mean he’s not being objective. His reasoning is sound and he gave the Bills a great amount of credit in the RB area.
"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
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by chrislucas on Jun 26, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think his reasoning is sound – at all really. Like not even close to sound. More like his reasoning is like a sound proof barior where sound reasoning cannot penetrate its defenses.
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol – btw – we’re talking about the Pats Pulpit – not thephinsider
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooh, i see
I assumed you meant Phinsider cos you said “same with Phinsider”, but I think we can all agree on Pats Pulpit ratings.
on another note; Great write-up Brian, even though i have a great dislike for the Bills, i really respect you as a blogger, and always look forward to Around The AFC East, specifically for your piece. Keep up the good work, cheers.
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by chrislucas on Jun 26, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup thats where the mixup – I meant the homerism for thephinsider for putting you one. but at least you guys were fair from there on out – pp really dropped the ball in my opinion
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How so?
I’m not trying to start an argument, just curious as to your logic. The Bills were fourth in rushing yardage and TD’s for 2008. If I’m wrong, then there must be improvements for 2009 that make you believe they’ll do better.
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by MaPatsFan on Jun 26, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not trying to start an argument, just curious as to your logic.
go read my reply in your blog – sorry – but you guys are just dead last in the division for rushing. i’m not trying to start an argument either – well because there really isn’t an argument.
The Bills were fourth in rushing yardage and TD’s for 2008. If I’m wrong, then there must be improvements for 2009 that make you believe they’ll do better.
Rhodes addition adds 5 TD’s and over 500 yards – how them stats look now(I didn’t look)?
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, I didn't account for Rhodes. Good catch.
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by MaPatsFan on Jun 26, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are making two arguments...
the question says who has the best running backs… That’s not New England. Who has the best rushing attack? Maybe New England who led the division in rushing. But that’s not the same thing…
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 26, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, let's just say I answered the question as originally posed
I’ll leave it to Brian to explain from here.
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by MaPatsFan on Jun 26, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez, Matt, give it a rest. :)
It’s almost like you think the Pats don’t have a legitimate argument to make – but they clearly do. They’re the best rushing attack until proven otherwise, and if that’s a fair way to interpret the question.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 27, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I have been saying.
I agreed with the guy! I told a guy on the Pats blog it was a great point.
Don’t lump me in with other guys here. They clearly had the best rushing attack last year. The headline at the top of my page says “Running Backs”. I have been making the distinction.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 27, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also – don’t you find it odd that every other site had you guys as last – not 2nd or 3rd – but dead last – yet your first on yours? just kinda weird – like me weird
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
I’m up on the RB stable for my team. The other bloggers aren’t. I understand where Brian was going:
These are some good football players, and each guy brings something a little different to the table. The problem is that there isn’t a workhorse. That’s not a problem for the Patriots, but in a ranking like this, it’s good enough to put them at the bottom of the list – particularly when the division is so loaded at the position.
…but I don’t agree there has to be a workhorse in the RB corps. It’s been a backfield by committee for years, sometimes not that successful, but I don’t think we need to be leaning on one player.
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by MaPatsFan on Jun 26, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one thing is for sure...
You won’t get 270 yards from Brady, the guy is as mobile as a flat footed 3rd grader.
by Buffalo Mo on Jun 26, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I would agree. He’s one of the most immobile QB’s in the biz.
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by MaPatsFan on Jun 26, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian,
How come you were the only one not to rank your team first??? :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 26, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For all of the reasons I mentioned in the article.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 26, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian... it wasn't a shot at you.
Quite the opposite.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 26, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marshawn, Freddy or Rhodes could be starters on any team.
Not only were they productive last year, but productive behind a below average O-line. I’m not attempting to make an excuse; I’m just stating a fact. Marshawn in a smash mouth run up the gut back and he was running behind a far below average center (Fowler or Preston). The brightest spot on the line was an out of shape disgruntled Peters. You could even say that the right side was stronger last year.
With that said I would our tandem over any AFC East group hands down.
Did you see that deep catch by Jackson last year?
Who needs the wild-cat when you have 3 backs that laugh in the face of a single tackler, who catch deep routes and take pitch outs to the house?
Fred Jackson will shine under the lights in Foxboro without Lynch.
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by billsoferie on Jun 26, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BUF-NY-MIA-NE
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by billsoferie on Jun 26, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson VS Patriots
Fred Jackson put up 136 yards on the Patriots in week 17 last year. You better believe the Pats were going all out for a win because they were trying to make the playoffs. The Problem for the Bills is that Jackson out-gained Edwards arm in that game. Trent threw for 128. Hopefully the addition of TO etc will improve the pass attack, which will make the running game that much more impressive.
by Polish Lover on Jun 26, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the wind that day
They knew the run was comin all day and we still pounded the ball, we just couldent finish or kick.
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by billsoferie on Jun 26, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or refrain from having slap-fests with other players.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
after reading the ridiculous arguments over at the pats site
and billsoferie has said it best. all three of our backs are starter quality. super bowl mvp, rookies of the year runner up behind the freakish adrian peterson, and fred jackson who could be a starter the way he runs and catches (and returns!). and i think that right there is why we have the best RB.
sure brown and williams could be starters….maybe. williams was a really good back, but remember his production didnt really take off until the wildcat did, and i dont think thats gonna work anymore. leon is a one trick pony (albeit a great one trick) and shonne green hasnt proven anything yet. maroney cant stay on the field, and fred taylor is not what he once was. which bring me to another point, they seemed really happy that they brought in taylor for his “experience” but dont most of the guys on that team have one super bowl, if not multiple ones? what exactly is taylor bringing, except alot of yardage.
the one guy i do have a lot of respect for, thomas brown, a true workhorse. but there are thoughts hes at the end of his career too…. i just dont see how anyone doesnt put the bills first based PURELY on talent.
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by silverstreak3k on Jun 26, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow i should really proof read
but you guys get the idea
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by silverstreak3k on Jun 26, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before I clicked on the jump to see your rankings, I did it in my head first. I had the exact same rankings as Brian and Gang Green. I have no clue what Matty I and MaPatsFan are smoking, I just want them to keep it away from Marshawn.
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by sireric on Jun 26, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d have to rank the Bills first, and I almost think the Dolphins are second. I think Ricky Williams is awesome…his explosion is still there, and to me he and Ronnie Brown are a very close tandem between Lynch and Jackson….but Dominic Rhodes puts us over the top.
For the Jets, I just can’t include their rookie runner, so that drops them down, but they are close to Miami as well. I also think ROnnie Brown might be better than Marshawn, and that is me at my most objective, because I am waiting for Marshawn to be a force teams just can’t deal with. I think Ronnie Brown has done that in his career, but not lynch yet. Just my opinion. Also, Brown and Lynch are just as important to each other’s team, and perhaps Brwn more so…well at least the year they went 1-15. After he went down that year, it was absolutely over for them.
Pats have a pretty good stable as well, but they are all role players. Kevin Falk gives me nightmares sometimes, but that cause of the way they use him (God forsaken swing pass!!)
Anyway, BUF-MIA-NYJ-NE
The top two and last two are very close with that being the only distinction. In fact if you look at the teams, the backs are very similar in those two groupings.
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by killascript on Jun 26, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For the Jets, I just can’t include their rookie runner, so that drops them down
Why? I don’t understand that.
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by sireric on Jun 26, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand that completely…When we discuss our O line on this site, everyone is quick to point out that Wood & Levitre haven’t even played an NFL down yet…Heck, we’ve put that caveat on every one of our rookies at one point this off season…Why should the Jets rookie get a free pass from the question mark in an objective discussion?
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by DBLuv on Jun 26, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People also say our OLine is improved...
sight unseen. At this point is speculative anyways.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 26, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rookie RBs have a much easier transition into the NFL probably more-so then any other position. Ask Matt Forte and Chris Johnson.
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by sireric on Jun 26, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what its worth
Id Take Ronnie Brown and Ricky WIlliams before Id take Washington and Thomas Jones. Thats just my opinion…the rookie runner was just something that went along with my thinking…too many questions marks
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by killascript on Jun 26, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown is the best of the 4, but I would take both Washington and Jones over Williams. That is just my opinion also. I like the Jets stable of backs.
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by sireric on Jun 26, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rookie RBs have a much easier transition into the NFL probably more-so then any other position
I’ve always thought guard – but I think your right on this – RB is probably the easiest
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RB is the easiest to transition as long as your not asking them to do to much pass blocking at the NFL level
The nuances and key reads for that takes some time to learn, but if all your asking of your rookie is to just take the rock and run it through a certain hole on a specific count, your golden.
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by WABillsfan on Jun 26, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but do they get a free pass as a result?
My logic behind the argument…Recall all the McFadden hype from last year, and he had what, 500 yards? There are no guarantees that a rook will amount to anything in their first year…
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by DBLuv on Jun 26, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That had more to do with an injured toe, and the team he was on.
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by sireric on Jun 26, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shonn Greene
If Thomas Jones continues with his contract nose out of joint, I won’t be at all surprised if Greene steals his snaps and makes a significant rookie contribution.
I’ve watched his entire college career (U of I season ticket holder).
Running backs on Ferentz coached teams don’t get out of learning blocking and blitz pick ups. He has a pretty complete game, and very simlilar to ML – seldom goes down on first or even second contact. Ryan type of RB.
by LeClaireBill on Jun 26, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta go
1. Marshawn
2. Ronnie Brown
3. Laurance Maroney
4. Thomas Jones
Brown is a pretty close second to Marshawn, in my book. He’s a guy I would want on Buffalo’s team.
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by Blitz on Jun 26, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you can't have ronnie!
hopefully this season he really breaks out and can surpass Marshawn, fingers crossed
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by chrislucas on Jun 26, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie was a great additon, and a player I think most of the league’s fans don’t recognize enough.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie should be better, alot better, this season
It takes about 2 years to truly recover from an ACL injury like he suffered. I think Ronnie and ML will be vying for the East rushing crown this season, with Washington maybe making some noise there if Jones holds out any length of time over his contract.
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by WABillsfan on Jun 26, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Jets’ take the price for me because of one reason: Tony Richardson. If the Bills had a FB like that – watch out!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"prize"
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised more teams don’t use guys like Haynesworth/Stroud etc… near the goal line. Have them line up as FB and just destroy someone. Sounds like they’d like that to me
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling most teams don’t want to risk the injury, silly as that sounds. Maybe the Bills could try McCargo out at FB?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Bills could try McCargo out at FB?
oh hell yeah
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not a horrible idea
McCargo has some wheels for a big man, and some agility, there is a reason he was thought of as a good 2 style Dlineman.
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by WABillsfan on Jun 26, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait for those uneducated Pats homers to eat crow this year.
The Jets will lead the division – Mark Sanchez certainly isn’t going to light things up, imo.
The Bills will have an easier time with Mr. Owens in town.
The Dolphins have too many ways to run; you don’t know how it’s going to come about each down.
The Pats have grit – but really those guys wouldn’t have a home on most other teams. That organization deserves kudos for finding ways to make guys work, but they’re nowhere near prototypical RB-material.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with a lot of what you're saying
Almost every position is by committee for the Pats. There are some stars (Brady, Moss, Welker, Wilfork, possibly rookie S Patrick Chung or rookie CB Darius Butler), but overall, no will stick out. To add just a little more homerism than I already seem to have displayed ;-), it’s hard to argue with that approach for NE.
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by MaPatsFan on Jun 26, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like discussing it with you, but some of your bretheren over there are blind as can be when it comes to objectivity.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston fans are blind homers that don’t know anything about other teams??? Color me surprised!
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by Kurupt on Jun 27, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patrick Chung was a great pick, imo.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted him here.
God help me. When we were looking at Whitner to FS, I wanted him to come play SS for us. ’Twas not meant to be.
by WhyBillsWhy on Jun 26, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't that be AWESOME if we went up there and beat them on opening night?
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by Cutter3636 on Jun 26, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be awesome, but won’t be likely. We could run for 200 yards and they 20, and still lose by 20 points.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard to call them “uneducated” and “homers” when the Patriots were the best rushing team in the division last year, and sixth-best in the entire league. I ranked them last here because I don’t think there’s as much talent there as there is with the other three teams. But those guys are good.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 26, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
best rushing team in the division last year
That’s the problem with the Pats saying that – it was LAST year. Every team now has additional players at the positions – as a result – last years stats shouldn’t even come into the discussion on a team level but on a player level.
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s not really a problem. The purpose of this post was to rank each teams stable of running backs. Unfortunately, no mention is made of how the position would be ranked. So, while Rumblings, Gang Green, and Phinsider used future potential and combined individual talent to rank, the Pats Pulpit used 2008 stats. There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s just not how the rest of us viewed the question.
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by thatguy34 on Jun 26, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s just not how the rest of us viewed the question.
because that wasn’t the question – “the question was ranking the divisions running backs” – how they completely missed the object of that question doesn’t really translate to me. They wanted to go with what made them sound the best.
Reality says – ranking the divisions running backs right now – not last year – not in 1741. right now – as they stand – what your roster has on it right now.
so 3 of the 4 blogs got it right and one didn’t? strange to me the reason why that was….
but I guess its hard for them to read stuff when their so high up on their pedastol – font gets smaller and smaller you know ;)
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reality says – ranking the divisions running backs right now – not last year – not in 1741. right now – as they stand – what your roster has on it right now.
And that’s what they did. They had the best stable of running backs last year (based on stats) and they added Fred Taylor. So, they believe they’ve only improved.
Their ranking may not be right (I personally don’t believe it is), but there is nothing wrong with their argument.
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by thatguy34 on Jun 26, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess thats where we disagree – I guess how I see it is if you put the Pats backfield behind the Bills line or you put the Bills backfield in the Pats backfield who would be better each time?
thats how I took it – not team production – but as everyone says “stable production”
Question:
If you had to put the Pats, Bills, Jets or ’Phins behind the Lions O-line last year who would be better each time?
I’d go with Jets – bills – ’phin’s – pats. Thats how I took the question
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no doubt. And when I initially read Brian’s post, that’s how I envisioned the ranking in my head – using combined individual talent as my criteria.
But the Pats Pulpit (perhaps seriously, perhaps to place themselves at the top of the ranking) chose use 2008 stats and the addition of Fred Taylor to make the claim that they have the most productive running backs.
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by thatguy34 on Jun 26, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its like Brian has to be as detailed as robotly possible in order for these to go right.
I say Brian – if we do a WR or CB ranking that you include – if you put them on X team who would be better. If Cleo Lemon is throwing passes who is the better WR group….
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Cleo Lemon is throwing passes who is the better WR group…
Hmmm…that would be a tough question. If Cleo Lemon is throwing passes, I’d say the first WR group to catch a pass is probably the best.
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by thatguy34 on Jun 26, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point of this isn’t to validate anyone’s opinion. It’s to get people talking. Mission accomplished.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 26, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10-4
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another way to pose the question...
…to fans of each team: if you could trade your top 3 RBs for the top 3 on each of the other teams, would you do it?
by Gino Parilli on Jun 26, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New England and Miami, not a chance. The Jets I would have to think about it but still probably not.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 27, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t mean for that comment to reflect on the entire fanbase there. Uneducated revolved around their grammar and typing skills. I cannot ignore it, no matter how hard I try.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m horriblew ith grammar and typing skills – my mind goes waaaay to fast sometimes. but I do it too :)
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But isn’t this about running backs, not rushing attacks? That’s where the Pats should rank last even if they have the best rushing attack….
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by Kurupt on Jun 27, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bills by FAR have the best triple headed monster
The Jets are good at the position, but Thomas Jones career is OVER. I think the Jets know this and that is why they drafted Greene. Bills are young, experienced and quick.
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by Cutter3636 on Jun 26, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would submit that they drafted Greene in part because both Jones and Washington were in the midst of contract squabbles pre-draft.
Thomas Jones rushed for 1,312 yards and 13 TD last year. What the hell would make you say that his career is over?
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 26, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t everyone have a great year just before they fall off the cliff?
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by sireric on Jun 26, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sean alexander who?
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by J2 on Jun 26, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA I guess it has happened….
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by sireric on Jun 26, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brady too, technically. Though injury probably gives him a pass.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alexander had something like 896 yards and 7 TDs in 2006. It was a 1000-yard dropoff, but those numbers are hardly terrible.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 26, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how you can’t see a 1000 yard dropoff as terrible.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering everything, yeah, it’s terrible. I said the numbers he actually put up weren’t terrible. There’s a difference.
And what the hell does this point even matter? If Jones puts up those numbers next year, the Jets will still have the best RB group in the division. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 26, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truth.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me its over - I will put money on it
Brian running backs like that who have taken teams on their backs and got them to the super bowl (bears) they have a ton of mileage. Running backs usually have that one break out year in their thirties and Jones has a ton of mileage on those tires. I think Jones gets hurt this year, and in turn the Jets can’t put the ball in the endzone and they have a pretty porous year.
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by Cutter3636 on Jun 27, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I mean, if you’ve got a gut feeling, I guess I can’t argue.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 27, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something no one else has discussed yet (from what i've seen)
Pat White. That kid should help their running game.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he wont be much of a factor this year
as much as i love the kid and think of his potential.
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by billsoferie on Jun 26, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’ll be more of a year-1 factor than Ted Ginn Jr. was. I just see them finding a way to get him in the game.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
if i was a fins fan i would hope so i am a WVU fan and i watched him for the past 4 years, the kid has talent and a drive to win, just a little small to be getting hit alot
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by billsoferie on Jun 26, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think someone should pose this question to Tim Grahm.
I’d love to see someone outside of the fandom rate the AFC running backs.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He ranked the RBs last week.
But not the complete running attacks. He had Marshawn, Ronnie, and then I can’t remember.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 26, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something I was wondering about
(Sorry in advance for the ramble just kind of free thinking)
Looking at the lead backs, Marshawn Lynch, Thomas Jones, Ronnie Brown, Laurence Maroney, Marshawn Lynch has spent the least amount of time in the league (2 yrs, next Laurence Maroney 3 yrs, Ronnie Brown 4yrs, Thomas Jones 9 yrs). But in those two years his production compared to the first two years of the other three guys is better. All of these guys were taken in the first round too so we don’t have to worry about a talent discrepency. Then taking a step further if he is performing at a higher level while being the guy with the least amount of NFL time (once again using the first two years as a base):
May it stand to reason that even with the suspension (the silver lining in that being that he’ll start later and hopefully be able to stay healthy later in the season) Lynch is on the verge of having a monster season.
I also base this idea on a a running back whom the bills play twice a season Ronnie Brown. I read the Phinsider rankings and he made a good point about Marshawn Lynch, he said Lynch looks hesitant when he’s running with the ball, I’ve noticed this too Lynch doesn’t have great vision alot of times from what I saw he isn’t patient enough to let the blocks open up and he just plows into the pile or dances around in the back (chalk it up to youth). But looking at their histories Lynch is doing better at this point in his career than Brown did. Lynch beats brown in rushing yards, yards per game, touchdowns, and fumbles and they have both played the same number of games in this time frame. Now in year 3 Brown was on the verge of having a monster season 86 yards per game, a 5.1 average (compared to his 4.3 for the first 2 years) until the injury.
So based on his performance up until this point, and factoring the year 3 jump of a similar running back we could potenially see Marshawn be the best of this group in 2009.
by MichiganBillsFan84 on Jun 26, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
behind a not so steller o-line
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by billsoferie on Jun 26, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just hit this thing rith on the head bills of erie
Its all about the offensive line. That’s why the Pats finished first in the divsion last year, because their offensive line is very good. > accept when Brady went down – that was Faulk’s fault actually though. Anyways you get my drift, the whole show evolves around the offensive line and good God I hope we can field a good one this year. Truthfully I am scared for Trent.
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by Cutter3636 on Jun 27, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sammy Morris...
not Faulk.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 27, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree that Lynch doesn’t have the best vision, but it’s not bad. I think he needs to learn to utilize the cutback lane more and hopefully that comes with time/experience.
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by Kurupt on Jun 27, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rank the Bills RB’s 1st.
Bills, NYJ, Miami, NE, but it’s very close for the top spot.
I would put the Bills first because I think both Lynch and Jackson are better than Thomas Jones. Blasphemy? Yes, Jones was a 1300 yard rusher last year, and he played phenomenally. I just don’t think he’s that good. I think that Jets’ OL is as good as you’ll find in the NFL, especially in run blocking. The numbers back that up. What would Jones have put up in Buffalo’s offense? Probably some crappy numbers…What about Lynch or Jackson in New Jersey? I’m guessing that they’d have put up excellent numbers, better than Jones. I think both are better pass catchers than Jones too. I know that’s all opinion, so take it as you may.
Of course, the Jets have Leon Washington, a player unlike any other in the division. He’s the reason why I’d say it’s Buffalo 1, and NYJ 1a not Buffalo 1st and the Jets 2nd. I still have no idea why that team doesn’t give him 15 touches a game, maybe more. In the Bills/Jets rematch last year, they didn’t give him a touch until late in the 2nd Q. He quickly caught a 7 yard pass, then scored on a 47 yard TD rush. I would be ticked off if I were a Jorts fan and this guy only guy a couple of touches a game. He’s a gamebreaker and should be handled as such by that team. It frustrates me as a Bills fan how little they use him; I can’t imagine how their fans must feel.
Dominic Rhodes also gives us an advantage. He’s as good a 2nd or 3rd RB as there is in the league. Considering he’s our 3rd RB, that’s pretty darn good.
Ronnie Brown is pretty good, but I don’t think he’s great. As good as he’s been in flashes, he just doesn’t seem consistent enough.
The Pats have the best depth, but I don’t think their runners are better than anyone else’s. They have the best ‘rushing attack’, but the other teams have better individual running backs.
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by Kurupt on Jun 27, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think this is fair
Rating on rushing attack as a whole, I think NE might have an edge. However, we don’t have any stars as compared to the “Lynches” of the world.
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by MaPatsFan on Jun 27, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am please to report that i have finally realised that “homers” has nothing to do with the Simpsons.
Sometimes it is like i speak a different language!
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by gregeng on Jun 27, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You thought homers was a Simpsons reference? Are you taking a piss? : )
It's just a game.
by jj24 on Jun 28, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, it is not a term used in the UK.
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