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I know what you're saying - he's the leading sacker of all time.

Can you really argue with Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, and Deacon Jones ahead of him?

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Bruce Smith #4

Ok so Bruce may not be the greatest DE of all time.
But, the numbers don’t lie!

by Honeyroy77 on Jun 29, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Sacks weren't an official stat until 1983.

So Deacon Jones has none if I am not mistaken. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 29, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I put him behind Jones and equal to Reggie White, definately ahead of Taylor.

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by Jason from OH-IO on Jun 29, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Bruce is very clearly number 1

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by poz on Jun 29, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m sorry, but no he isn’t. I think he’s right where he belongs.

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 29, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Bruce played for the Giants or the Cowboys he would be ranked number 1

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Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jun 29, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d have him ahead of LT.

Bruce had 13 seasons with 10 or more sacks. LT had 7.
Bruce had at least 13 sacks 7 times, LT 4 times.

I think longevity counts here too.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jun 29, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Better than LT?

Would you mind explaining you thought process on this when you get a free moment? I’m having a difficult time understanding how you ranked LT higher than Bruce…

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by DBLuv on Jun 30, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

My guess....

It was probably for his excellent acting in “Any Given Sunday.”

by Buffalo Mo on Jun 30, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

That and the fact that LT was just a better player. If I’m flip-flopping Bruce with anyone, it’s him. But players like him revolutionized the sport. I agree with K that longevity needs to count in something like this, but LT literally turned the sport on its head.

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 30, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks…I agree that if you don’t look at stats at all, and just look at highlight reels that LT was the better player…But, given Bruce’s longevity and stat line I would say there is no contest…Career-wise, Bruce was better…And I don’t think I’m being a homer here. Jones was better than Bruce, imo…But thanks for answering my question…

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by DBLuv on Jun 30, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m totally ok with Jones and White being ahead of Smith. LT, not really.

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by thefourwinds on Jun 29, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Bruce better than LT and Jones

BUT I wonder why NFL stats guys haven’t thought to go retroactive on stats on like Sacks for Players who definitely had an inclination for that in their game such as Deacon Jones..

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by killascript on Jun 30, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

You would have to go back and watch every game tape.

That’s why.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 30, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that would be a bad thing, how? If I were to get paid to do it, I’d be all over it…Heck, I’ve watched enough crappy old NFL Films video (for free) on wet or cold days that going through some actual non-commentary filled game tape would be a nice change of pace. I wouldn’t even charge much!!

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by DBLuv on Jul 1, 2009 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

no big deal

Jones didn’t play every snap, basically half of a game, and it wouldn’t be that difficult. I think its just not that important to them I guess.

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by killascript on Jul 1, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

i think you would have to say bruce is better than atleast deacon and LT. Deacon basically got to do anything he wanted to OL if you’ve ever seen him play. He used to take his hand and hit a player in the head as hard as he could to stun them. LT was dominant and just cuz he was a LB and revolutionized a position doesn’t make him better just more unique. Reggie was just as good so I can’t really argue. I think Bruce Smith’s cameo in Little Giants puts him over the top.

by LIBi on Jul 1, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Bruce Smith’s cameo in Little Giants puts him over the top.

BWAHAHAHAHA

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 2, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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