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LB Tinoisamoa chooses Chicago, challenge over job security

Back in early May, the Buffalo Bills - still in search of a potential starter at outside linebacker after not addressing the position until the fifth round of April's Draft - hosted a free agent visit with recently released Rams OLB Pisa Tinoisamoa.

After leaving Buffalo on May 14 without a new deal, Tinoisamoa then scheduled a visit with the Chicago Bears.  The veteran linebacker also received cursory interest from the New England Patriots, and he ended up cancelling a scheduled visit with the Philadelphia Eagles as well.  Tinoisamoa had an opportunity to be a pretty busy boy and weigh his options with several teams, but he ultimately pared his list down to just two teams - Buffalo and Chicago - without much thought for other interested parties.  It was reported in several locations that despite the length of time between visit and decision, Tinoisamoa was still very much considering the Bills.

Last Friday, Tinoisamoa signed with Chicago.  He accepted a one-year deal to play alongside big-name linebackers Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs; it is expected at this point that Tinoisamoa will win the third linebacker job for the Bears and play on all downs except nickel downs, giving way to Urlacher and Briggs in sub-package formations.

"Win the job" is the key phrase in that last paragraph - because if Tinoisamoa himself is to be believed, the chance to earn his playing time, as opposed to receiving it upon inking his deal, was his motivating factor in signing with the Bears.

''There was opportunity to go to other teams, but it was like, 'We're going to give you the job,''' Tinoisamoa said. ''And for me, that was awkward because I know there were guys who had been working since the end of last season, coming into this year and all the time they put in, and they felt like they were the starter.  The fact that I have to come and earn a job, it definitely makes me more hungry because now I know I have to earn my job.''

There are a couple of ways to look at this.  Perhaps the destination prepared to hand immediate playing time to Tinoisamoa was the one he canceled on - the Eagles.

Then there's the idea that Tinoisamoa chose Chicago over Buffalo because the Bills were prepared to pencil the veteran in as the starting SAM linebacker.  Right now, the Bears are letting third-year pro Nick Roach - he of 41 career tackles - run with the first unit.  Doesn't it seem likely that the Bills could have offered the same fake challenge in Buffalo?  I mean, Keith Ellison has 177 career tackles; doesn't that make him more than four times better than Roach or something? Ellison is clearly a much trickier hurdle to leap for a starting spot.

We get all of the reasons that any free agent would choose Chicago over Buffalo - Jay Cutler; Urlacher and Briggs; head coaching preference; Chicago's a bit closer to home (San Diego) than Buffalo; yeah, maybe we should have listed Buffalo's nine-season playoff drought and four straight winless seasons first.

But less job security?  The right to earn your keep?  Listen, Pisa - we're in a recession; now's not the time for chivalry.  All you had to do was ask, and we'd have thrown you in a steel cage with Ellison, Pat Thomas, Alvin Bowen and Nic Harris in an exotic fight to the death fight for the starting job.  That way, none of those four Bills would have felt badly if you'd have beaten them out as expected.  At least Nick Roach, along with Tinoisamoa, will preserve his professional dignity.

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I really think he believes himself. His subconscious might have something else to say, but his reason is his reason. Maybe it didn’t sit well with him to take Ellison’s job away. Maybe he didn’t want to replace a guy who was a starter (Ellison), but upon demotion would still be on the team. Is that the situation in Philly, or is their SAM spot just open?

Maybe he just has more friends in the NFC, but didn’t want to say that was his reason. Or maybe he thinks he can play his way to bigger offers, but Ellison was too much of a challenge.

I don’t know. I just don’t know why he’d choose the reason he gave as THE reason. It doesn’t really make a lot of sense.

by syrbillsfan on Jun 4, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is

bizarre to say the least. It’s one thing when your recruited by a college coach and they want to hand you a starting job, it’s a whole other deal when this is an actual JOB. Would you want a potential company to say to you “you will be our Starting Salesman” or “you will compete with Rick, Mike and Rob for the chance at being our top 3 salesman?” I mean come on. I assume the money wasn’t all that different, it just sounds to me like Pisa is a weird guy.

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by MARVelous on Jun 4, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it just sounds to me like Pisa is a weird guy.

The name certainly speaks to this.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 5, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't fault the guy for his name...

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is a joke

wake up people! Pisa inked a one year deal for a reason, he wants to play and play well to cash in next off-season. If that’s your objective you go where you are guaranteed to start. To me, this reeks of a man trying to cover for an embarrassment. How about like showing up in Chicago where you think you are guaranteed a chance to start and shine next to Urlacher and Briggs but weighing 220 pounds when your listed at 240 and the team deciding they can’t risk handing a job to a guy that undersized. By allowing competition Chicago opens the door for a more normal sized defender to hopefully prove himself better so they don’t have to start the shrimp. Hes obviously going to win, hes just trying to explain why hes been himself demoted into a competition.

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by poz on Jun 4, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure the Bears neglected to give him a physical where they weighed him before signing him….Come on poz, the Bears knew exactly how big Pisa is…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jun 4, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe they did know how much he wieghed

doesn’t change the fact that 220 doesn’t look good on the field and would probably lead to reconsideration of guaranteed starting time. Again, if competition was the issue, then nothing adds up in his decision. Its pretty obvious that Urlacher and Briggs give him the best opportunity to look great playing next to Pro Bowlers and thus the best chance to earn a huge contract. Hes being asked to compete and hes making excuses for it.

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Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jun 4, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt that Pisa actually cares about the competition and I doubt the fact that Chicago is actually going to have a competition even more. In reality, Nick Roach isn’t really competition and Pisa will pretty much be handed the role. It’s just a stupid quote from a player who didn’t feel like giving a reporter the real reason(s) why he chose the Bears. “This set me up for a big contract next offseason” or “I think the Bears are better than the other team that offered me a contract” don’t sound as good as “it definitely makes me more hungry because now I know I have to earn my job”.

by kaisertown on Jun 4, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

I just have such a hard time believing that Pisa could say something so stupid, ala that Nick Roach is actually competition or that hes more competition than Keith Ellison, when it is so obvious that it such a blatant lie. Hes a smart player and a former captain, could he possibly think such an obvious lie would be believed? I don’t think he thought he’d actually be believed and so I wonder if if there isn’t actually something to the competition. Why bring it up otherwise? Its just so ridiculous unless he actually was told hes going to have to compete. It has to be in his mind somehow.

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Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jun 4, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think he was trying to say that Chicago’s roster offered more competition than Buffalo’s did. He was saying that “other teams” came right out and told him that he would be the starter. Buffalo must have promised him the starting job despite having the guy who has started a lot of games in the last couple of seasons still on the roster. Chicago never guaranteed him a starting spot, but I doubt they told him that Roach would be stiff competition either. I think Pisa was just trying to rationalize his decision to sign with the team that arguably had the worst starter at his position in the league. He’s just trying to make it look like he didn’t choose Chicago because it was the easiest place for him to start this season and cash in next offseason.

by kaisertown on Jun 4, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he truly is competition? Being the incumbent starter, I’m sure the Bears will at least give him a shot to keep his job, even if it’s not likely to happen….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jun 4, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Ellison our incumbent starter?

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 4, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was talking about Roach.

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 4, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

Ellison and Roach are the incumbent starters… The Bills would likely give Ellison a shot to keep his job as well. I guess K’s point was that we shouldn’t think too much about Roach being in now since he is the starter after all. If Pisa was here Ellison would still be running with the first team wouldn’t he?

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 4, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jun 4, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roach cant truly be

called the incumbent starter K. because of half a season. Sure he inherited the job because of injuries to the true incumbent since 2004, Hunter Hillenmeyer, but thats like saying an interim coach who coached half a season because of a firing is the incumbent. He really isn’t. There was no incumbent and hence no competition unless Hillenmeyer was able to return healthy.

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Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jun 4, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Ellison is not an incumbent?

Ellison and Roach both inherited their jobs due to injury.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 4, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ellison started a full season

and Crowell is gone while Hunter was still on the team. Speaking of which, have they cut Hillenmeyer yet? (we can’t be that desperate can we?)

Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jun 4, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That coach would indeed be an incumbent if he was still in the position he was in at the end of the season. Who cares how many games he started, he finished the season as the starter and is still on the team now.

Haha, why are we talking about this?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jun 4, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because this is the best we have to work with right now........

and that tells you all you need to know about the 2000’s in Buffalo.

Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009

by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 4, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

aint that the truth

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Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jun 4, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahahah

i was thinking the same thing! I’m waiting for the finals to start and nobody is talking about anything else so….

Let’s go Nick Roach! hahaha

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Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jun 4, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was tremendously disapointed

when we dropped the ball on Pisa. Maybe some of you read my fanpost on the topic before the Ministry of Censorship deleted it. It wasnt nice. at all.

 Is it the money (or lack thereof) or the administration that repells talent here? ( please no T.O. validations, TO’s signing here is the epitome of someone at the end of their rope.) For the life of me I cant figure it out. Maybe it would change with a new head coach and coordinators? I have a feeling we may just find out.

 Well, Im cheering for Bowen. We shall see.

by BuffaloChip on Jun 4, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How can you assume we dropped the ball on Pisa?

Do you think the Bills offered him vet minimum?

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 4, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They either offered him the miniumum or sometheng equally as insulting. Actually i would find it alot easier to swallow if Pisa came out and said that he diddnt want to play for Russ and Dick and Co. That seems like a more plausable senario.

by BuffaloChip on Jun 4, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you just assume Buffalo didn’t offer him much? Pisa chose a team that he probably thinks is better than Buffalo and in a weaker division. He chose to play for his old defensive coordinator and linebackers coach. In Chicago he gets to play next to Brian Urlacher on one of the best defenses in the league. Why does Pisa choosing to play in Chicago an indictment on Buffalo’s FO? When this FO really wants a player, they almost always get that player (Hangartner, Walker, Mitchell, Dockery, Triplett). You can argue that they’re not very good at choosing which players to go after, but when they want somebody, they sign him.

by kaisertown on Jun 4, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said.

We can be critical of the front office for a lot of things but this is not one of them.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 4, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The most plausible scenario is that Buffalo didn’t want to 28 year old LB. He wanted a fat contract or a one year contract to be able to go out and get his fat contract. You can bet it was more than Ellison is making ($1.1M this year) which is above the minimum.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 4, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

irrelevant at this point…

by chaucer on Jun 4, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah… was a bit busy at work today and had to rush something out during the lunch break. Good thing nothing is happening today.

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 4, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean you weren’t interested in weighing in more heavily on T.O.’s HouseGate 2009?

If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...

by thatguy34 on Jun 4, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely not.

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 4, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I still can’t believe ESPN had it on NFL Live.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 4, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you mean, you actually have time to work and run this blog? that’s amazing, given the number of stories you guys give us here. i wouldn’t be able to do it.

by chaucer on Jun 4, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something doesn't add up here

Keith Ellison > Nick Roach

by Dyl on Jun 4, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hahaha!!! spot on!

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Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jun 4, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like just talk to get the fans on his side.

If he signed with the Bills and said ‘I could have been assured a starter’s spot with another team, but I signed here because I didn’t want to be handed a job, I want to earn it’ Bills fans would have eaten it up…. just like Bear fans probably are now.

Taking athlete’s comments literally is generally not worth the effort as they often don’t mean what they say.

by Pistol on Jun 4, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. He was just giving an answer that people want to hear. I think a big reason why players answer questions the way they do is because they want to avoid follow up questions and just want interviews to end. There were probably a dozen reasons why he picked Chicago, but to get into the details with some reporter was just a waste of his time. So Pisa gives him a nice little soundbite and moves on. There’s no way that he actually picked Chicago because he wanted the competition. He picked them for a bunch of the reasons we have already speculated about like familiarity with the coaches, he probably thinks Chicago is a better team or more poised to win the division or a Super Bowl, the one year contract, etc ….

by kaisertown on Jun 4, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess this article didn’t come off as satirical as I wanted it to. :)

Clearly, it’s just media-speak on Pisa’s part. I just thought it was a stupid quote, had nothing else on my mind to write about/little time to conjure something up, so rolled with this.

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 4, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are Bears fan really eating up? Do they even care?

Looking at the Windy City Gridiron, they have the article linked in a link-dump post, and there was one comment about it:

Fort Mills Times South Carolina? Why exactly are they running stories about the Bears? Huh?

Haha….and I’m trying to figure out why they call him LTP

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jun 4, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taking athlete’s comments literally is generally not worth the effort as they often don’t mean what they say.

Aahh…same thing for me here. I wouldn’t read a word of what I type…

by krytime on Jun 4, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he feels more comfortable playing for a team that ousted their starting QB at an opportunity to upgrade, but doesn’t want to play for a team that wants to upgrade their SAM linebacker?

Wow!

by Buffalonian on Jun 4, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The botton line is...

We did not get him, but we would have been a better team if we had.

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by billsoferie on Jun 5, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Am I a disapointed that Pisa didn’t sign with us? yes. Is it a huge loss? No, not really. I mean he would have been an upgrade, but not by all that much. At the end of the day a 220lbs LB is still a 220 LB. At this point, I’m more interested in seeing how hard Harris ca push Ellisson for the starting position.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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