Are the Bills looking for a new stadium?
WBEN picked up a story originally posted by The Fort Worth Star-Telegram. In the original story, the company that built the Cowboys' new stadium has supposedly been approached by the Bills.
Mark Williams, the associate principal architect of HKS Inc. was quoted saying:
"We’ve been working with the [Minnesota] Vikings for about nine months, and they are still trying to get their funding. The [San Francisco] 49ers and the Buffalo Bills are thinking about doing something and also the [San Diego] Chargers and maybe the Atlanta Falcons. Those are the potential new stadiums in the NFL."
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That is very interesting.
This leads me to believe Ralph may have a buyer lined up after his death. They would not build a stadium or pay someone to design a stadium if the team was not staying in Buffalo. This is of particular interest.
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Right-o. Unless this guy’s lying (and I have no reason to call him a liar) or Ralph actually believes he’s never gonna die.
Or, maybe Ralph, the state, and the county are planning on building a new stadium as a way to prevent any buyer’s after Ralph from moving the team. If they have a brand new stadium (and a considerable amount of debt attached to it), it would make it near impossible for someone to move the team.
If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...
If they have a brand new stadium (and a considerable amount of debt attached to it), it would make it near impossible for someone to move the team.
Let’s not forget the 30 year lease that would be attached to said stadium. Presonally I couldn’t be happier then to see the Bills being garanteed to stay in Buffalo.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope it is closer to my house
I live 2 hours away and its hard to make it to games with work and all
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone"
-Marshawn Lynch-
If it's not in Orchard Park...
I bet it’s downtown.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Niagara county actually is more likely – in between Rochester, Toronto and Buffalo.
I’ve heard the Speedway in lockport was a site they were looking at. Well close to that site.
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by J2 on Jun 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why Niagra County would be more likely than downtown...
Other than land concerns.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
taxes – closer to the fanbases of Roc/Syr/Tor.
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by J2 on Jun 5, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
It's five *more* minutes to get from Rochester to Lockport according to google...
than it is from Rochester to Orchard Park. And to Orchard Park is all highway… no dinky towns to drive through like Clarence. It only saves the Toronto folks 10 minutes according to google. And that’s to Orchard Park – not Buffalo. They should put it near Niagra Falls or in downtown Buffalo.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
lol – its way shorter to go to the Lockport speedway than to OP.
They should put it near Niagra Falls or in downtown Buffalo.
which is why I said Niagara county
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by J2 on Jun 5, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
From my house in Rochester.
to the lockport speedway – 1 hour 36 minutes.
to Ralph Wilson Stadium – 1 hour 28 minutes.
to HSBC Arena in downtown Buffalo – 1 hour 22 minutes.
It’s a shorter drive in distance but because of the towns and stop lights you drive through (which would no doubt be able to handle the thousands of cars and buses that go to the games, right?) it ends up taking longer to get to Lockport.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
probably because I meant lancaster – not lockport – duh!
lancaster speedway – just realised i said that
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by J2 on Jun 5, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Well that makes a bunch more sense. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
They tried building in Lancaster in 1973
But Lancaster balked at the proposal. Now it’s Orchard Park.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
A
new stadium in Toronto maybe! I would be shocked if they would ever build a new stadium in Buffalo
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But I’ve always believed that the Buffalo Bills should play in Buffalo. Every Sunday would be a boom for the city’s economy and with the Sabres, downtown would have more of an attraction and possibly flourish. And trust me, I lived for 22 years in Hamburg, 8 minutes from Rich/Ralph Stadium and I’ve loved the fact that it’s been where it is. I’m just thinking of the region as a whole and I don’t think Orchard Park needs any economic help. I would love to see a new stadium on the waterfront…
Geico Field? All the vendors could dress like cavemen and they would play “Somebody’s watching Me” non-stop… nah
I would prefer “Sahlen’s Yard/Field” they have a sports park in Elma… time for an upgrade!
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jun 5, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Given the revitalization projects started downtown I think the city of Buffalo would bend over backwards to get a new stadium downtown. I’m sure the city, county and state would continue to give the Bills major concessions on taxes, rents (depending on stadium ownership) not to mention the stadium naming rights that would probably fetch a great deal more money by being downtown. Being downtown would also better suit the canadian fans that drive down for games.
The question is what type of stadium would you want built? a dome stadium that has a retractable roof that would provide the ability to host other events and afford the city the opportunity to bid on other events or an open air stadium?
HSBC Arena hosts other events.
I don’t know if they would need it to have a retractable roof.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
HSBC can host
certain sized events, a stadium could host whole new types of events/conventions that HSBC cannot support. let’s face it, a new stadium will not be built for 10 games/year. it needs to be used for multi-purpose events. it has to be made more palatable for taxpayers.
I get what you're saying now.
When the Niagra Falls Convention Center was redesigned into the Casino, Buffalo lost a convention space. It’s a good idea.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
it makes sense
in the fact that the stadium could partially be the driver that gets people to visit the waterfront that is being constructed now.
Buffalo has a convention center but I don’t think it’s really conducive to hosting bigger events that a stadium could attract.
The sell them at the Batavia BJs.
So whenever I drive to Batavia I stop and get a package. They don’t have them in Rochester usually. Zweigles in Ra-cha.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I would be SHOCKED if the proposal is for a stadium in Toronto. I read a lot of news papers and media and trust when I say that if the idea was for a stadium in Toronto, I would have herd about it by now.
Plus the Ontario Provincial Government is already dedicating over 100M dollars to the renovation of Copps Collosium in Hamilton for the (possible) relocation of the Phonix Cayotes, and therefore there would be absolutly no tax money going to a new stadium for the Bills.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
New stadium in downtown Buffalo
The best thing for the Buffalo Bills organization would be to build a stadium downtown. This would give Buffalo’s favorite team the best location to help the growth of the downtown area. I don’t think I could feel more strong about a decision to put a stadium in downtown Buffalo. This would give visitors to the city the ability to visit The Falls, Downtown and the Bills.
what about
if they moved the bills to the american side of the falls? i kno there is a lot of availability for new attractions there and the bills would b one that would stick… just a thought
That would be excellent. Who cares where it is? As long as the stadium is in WNY, not a single Bills fans should be upset. Anything to secure their long term future in the region is a good thing.
I don’t know if I expect this to amount to anything though….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yeah! Canadian fans could easily reach the new stadium on the new Fast Fer….er….oh yeah. Nevermind.
If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...
Ouch...
Maybe Mayor Johnson wasn’t a complete fool with that project after all…
He should have just ordered a smaller boat though…That Ferry was way to big for the amount of traffic it saw…Baby steps, ya know.
I love me some DB's...I might just be Dick Jauron's long lost twin!
Plus it woulda helped if they actually checked the boat out before they bought it. It certainly didn’t help that it broke down on its way here…and then broke down again after being here for like a week.
If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...
Well, it did have to travel rougher waters than it was designed for in order to get here…Ocean vs Lake…
I love me some DB's...I might just be Dick Jauron's long lost twin!
STADIUM IN LOCKPORT!!
haha For those who have been in Lockport, if the Bills ever even think about coming here… ugh what a disaster. Is it too late to close the deal with Bass Pro???? Building a new stadium were the aud was would be absolutely sick!
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“We’ve been working with the [Minnesota] Vikings for about nine months, and they are still trying to get their funding. The [San Francisco] 49ers and the Buffalo Bills are thinking about doing something and also the [San Diego] Chargers and maybe the Atlanta Falcons. Those are the potential new stadiums in the NFL.”
So basicly they’ve been talking to every team that could move to LA (except Jacksonville) about building a new stadium in their towns. Must suck to be LA.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah but I did hear that the owner of the St-Louis Blues is trying to buy the Rams and build a new stadium for them in St-Louis, so don’t look for them to move any time soon either.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I heard that too. But wanting to buy them, and buying them are two different things. Jim Kelly has said he’ll make sure the Bills stay in Buffalo but everyone still talks about the Bills moving.
If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...
Could Jim be the next owner? because that would simply be fantastic!
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't have enough money.
He may be a partner or a minority owner.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I’m sure that he could find some creditors to give him the money. I mean if Mario Lemieux cand find creditor to give him 150M in order to buy the Pittsburg Penguins (and illiminate the 30M+ that they owed him) then I’m sure thatJim could find them too…. although I do agree that he would need a partner.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Exceot that the Bills would cost like 800 Million, wouldn't they?
We’re talking NFL franchise… not a bankrupt hockey franchise.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The other tricky thing is...
…that the lenders normally want to be paid back. If the franchise did go for $800 million and Kelly had $50 million of his and others money to invest, the interest on a $750 million loan would be enormous. Even if they were to be able to borrow the money cheaply — say at 5% — the annual interest cost alone would be over $37 million a year.
by Gino Parilli on Jun 5, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but I thought that the Bills were valued at about 450M, which means that if he found a partiner then it would actually become manageable. He still wouldn’t make money off the team for about 10 years though, which also cancels any possibility of Jim buying the team :(
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Forbes actually estimated the value of the Bills at 885 mil last fall.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/30/sportsmoney_nfl08_Buffalo-Bills_301765.html
And in the NFL, you need a majority owner. Jim Kelly will never be the owner of the Buffalo Bills.
Not unless Ralph leaves it to him.
HAHAHA.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 8, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
His kids don't want the team.
But they probably want the money. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 9, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Exceot that the Bills would cost like 800 Million, wouldn’t they?
That cancels out Toronto right there. You have to remember that Canada is NOT the US. No Canadian governement has ever put out that amount of money for any public venue. And I HIGHLY doubt they ever will. Stadiums and other sporting venues just don’t hold the same importance in Canada as they do in the US, and the government here prefers to spend it’s hard earned tax money on other things, like social health care, education and needed infracstructure.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry that should have been placed somewhere else… Those are reasons why Toronto would never fund a new stadium.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
800 mil for the team, and the stadium would probably be in the 400 – 600 million range. Thats how much the ARizona Cards stadium cost. Team could be worth more in a bidding war, especially if someone sees the team as the next LA NFL franchise and bids high and the Wilson’s take the highest bidder. Something tells that just won’t happen…but they might. The Wilson family, may also choose to only sell most of the franchise, so someone like Kelly, may have to give up less money.
Anyway, new stadium yes, either in Downtown Buffalo, or somewhere between there and Niagara Falls. The region needs a pick me up badly, and an amazingly awesome retractable roof stadium is what it needs.
The Bills CAN win any game
You have to remember that Canada is NOT the US.
You don’t have to remind us! I count my lucky stars everyday for this fact! Haha
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Wow, I count my lucky stars that I’m not in the US. I guess that you always love your home, no matter how horrible it might be to the eyes of others. BTW I have nothing against americans, I just hate your politicians and your increadibly greedy system. Otherwise from that, you guys are great :P
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 6, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I always love the references to Canada’s health care system. If it’s so great, why are Canadians always traveling to the US to get the care they can’t get at home?
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by thefourwinds on Jun 6, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy, because the waiting list here are longer then the ones in the US and the Canadian government will pay for the work that they get done in the US. My dad needed a simple operation about 15 years ago and the waiting list was about 9 months long here, but he could get it done within the month in KC, so the Canadian health care system paid for him to get it done there as long as he paid for his own travel expences.
I’ve never claimed that the Canadian health care system was perfect, but it’s a heluva lot better then the ones you guys have.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 7, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
the waiting list was about 9 months long here
Exactly.
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by thefourwinds on Jun 7, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
But the reason the waiting list is 3 to 9 months up here (on non vital work) is because everyone gets what they need. How many times have you herd of americans not getting the surgery they need because they can’t afford it? In Canada everyone gets what they need.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 8, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't understand why the company would lie.
Like scoring the Buffalo Bills new stadium would be a huge coup.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And who says that it’s not the Bills that are lying right now.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda agree with the article
If we were to build a new stadium it would cost tax payers and fans. Seat prices would go up, way up. We need to spend all the money we have on some talent next offseason. Maybe they could construct some type of a tent to shield us fans from the rain, i would be ok with that.
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone"
-Marshawn Lynch-
What we do with the stadium has nothing to do with what we spend on players in my opinion. The Bills have been steady with the contracts they give and I think this will continue. If somewhere down the line there is a new stadium, and the Bills stay, then those things will be strategically planned out to maximize revenue.
The Bills CAN win any game
I see how they are connected.
We don’t have an endless stream of income and there is only so much money at OBD. If they are paying a high lease or mortgage bond then they can’t spend that money on players, etc.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 6, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
But we are one of the most profitable teams I heard recently
And therefore, I think that if a new stadium can increase revenue, then it would counter balance the effect of a new mortgage/lease taken on by the team, and therefore not affect our ability to sign players
The Bills CAN win any game
It's hard to say how much additional revenue could be generated.
Not too long ago the Bills had trouble selling the relatively modestly-priced boxes they have now (thank you, Doug Flutie!). The sad fact of the matter is that Buffalo is shrinking in population. It will be harder and harder to sell what they already have to offer. If boxes and special seats are pricier, the Buffalo area might not be able to afford it.
The team is relatively profitable now because they don’t have any debt, as many other teams do. I don’t think the team can justify a new stadium based on additional revenues unless the taxpayers footed most of the bill. Let’s say a new stadium could generate an extra $30 per admission in a 70,000 seat stadium, which seems like a big stretch in Buffalo. The additional revenue for 10 games would be $21 million. I think the visiting team’s cut excludes the boxes, so let’s say the Bills get to keep $15 million of the $21 million and the other $6 million goes to the visitors. If they used all of the money to simply pay interest on a loan to finance the stadium and the interest rate were 8%, that would buy a stadium that would cost about $262 million, about 10 times what Rich Stadium cost originally but probably not much of a stadium by today’s standards.
by Gino Parilli on Jun 7, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason we are one of the most profitable teams is because we dont owe anything on the stadium
where most teams have huge debt
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone"
-Marshawn Lynch-
Exactly! I mean it’s great that a team like Dallas can fit over 100 000 ppl in their new stadium, but Jones wont make any profit of that team for the next 10 to 20 years!… Mind you he has enough money for that not to matter either.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 8, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about that
He’ll pay that loan faster than you think. And if the team is crappy this year, which I think they will be third in the NFC East ( and to Jerry Jones thats crappy) and then Wade Phillips is fired and either SHannahan or Cowher is in Dallas. Cowher probably most interesting.
The Bills CAN win any game
Of corse they’ll deny it! They have no reason t confirm it at this point, at least not until they get a significant amount of local business and political support for a new stadium.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be wonderful if Buffalo miraculously finds a civic-minded local soul with a few billion...
….to keep the team in Buffalo when Ralph meets his inevitable demise. Ralph probably could have made a bundle moving the team to LA or San Antonio. He hasn’t exactly been beloved in Buffalo, but he’s the guy who’s kept an NFL team in a very small (and shrinking) market when it probably wouldn’t have been too much trouble to pull up stakes and head for greener pastures. I was hopeful about the Rigases….that didn’t work out. Even the Riches would have to borrow a bundle to buy the Bills.
When I read about someone investigating a design for a new home for the Bills, my first thought is not to wonder about whether it ought to be on the waterfront in town or in Lancaster. If they move, though, I will wish them the same success enjoyed by the Braves after they bolted.
I think they just went down the list of oldest stadiums.
Candlestick Park, Ralph Wilson Stadium, and Qualcomm Stadium are all in the top seven oldest open stadiums in the NFL; three of the other four have had recent extensive renovations (each less than 6 years old and over $300 million).
The Vikings and Falcons are the second and third-oldest domed stadiums, and the oldest (the Superdome) also has a massive renovation project underway.
And I don’t see Chicago ever getting rid of Soldier Feild. They’ll just keep renovating it every 30 years or so. Give it 5 years and we may very well have the oldest, non-renovated, stadium in the league.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean, “non-renovated”? The stadium has been renovated several times, most notably in 1998 when they removed the aluminum bench seating, replacing it with real stadium seats and totally renovated the luxury suites and club seats.
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They only did that for parts of the stadium. Trust me – I sit on aluminum bench seating; and it’s cold.
Exactly. The kind of renovations I’m talking about cost 300 million dollars and forced the bears to play at a college stadium don-state for a year. What the ills did in ’98 is expected up-keeping.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 5, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's my take on some of this...
I think they (the Bills) have to be making some overtures toward a new stadium. It’d be silly not to be thinking of the future, even if you have no idea what it holds.
For the record, I’m totally opposed to corporate welfare. But I also know exceptions do have to be made at times. If NYS can millions billions for new venues for the city teams, it certainly can afford something for the second largest city in the state.
Also, it would have to absolutely be downtown – no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Whether it should go on the waterfront or not, I’m not quite sure. There are huge plots of abandoned land on the cities’ far east side, not even five minutes from downtown and the waterfront. Both would offer some logistical problems.
Also, it would have to be a retractable roof. There is no way a region can justify a building only available to the public for about ten to twelve times a year. Adding a roof would give you opportunities to use it for several other functions. I personally love the idea by gatornation of creating a facility that can be used as a convention center as well.
I would love to see an ambitious architect design a facility with the following specs:
- A retractable roof.
- Seeting for about 65,000 fr football. But, I would like like to see the seating “on top” off each other, kind of like th eway the old Aud was built. It makes for such a better atmosphere.
- Ability to transform into a hockey facility for outdoor events. I’m not just talking about once in a blue moon NHL events either. World Juniors, NCAA events, and public outdoor skaing.
- Ability to be transform into a state of the art, quality convention center. Right now, the Buffalo Convention Center is a dump. Cheektowaga Town Park is better suited for events right now.
I hate the phrase “think outside the box,” but this is what I think would need to happen.
My uncle, a Buffalo native, though he no longer lives there, had a large hand in the construction of several stadiums around the league, including for sure the newer stadiums in Cincinnati. He’s getting up there in age, though, so I don’t know if he’s still active. I can try to see if he knows anything (doubt it, though).
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