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Signing first-rounders should be Bills' top priority

The current decision-making regime of the Buffalo Bills has been in office for going on four seasons now.  Sure, there have been a few changes made here and there, but ultimately, it's the same group - instead of former GM Marv Levy and Senior VP of Football Operations Jim Overdorf dealing with contract signings, it's now Overdorf along with COO/GM Russ Brandon.

During those four years, the Bills have made six players first-round draft picks.  Of the four that are currently under contract (all still on their rookie deals), at least three of them were unsigned when the Bills opened training camp each year.  Considering the vital importance of the team's two first-rounders this year, DE Aaron Maybin and OG Eric Wood, it is inadvisable for that trend to continue.

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2006: McCargo makes it (we think), but Whitner doesn't
Forgive us, but information on 2006 Bills training camp is scarce, even for the all-powerful Google.  We therefore cannot comfortably claim that the five-year, $8.6 million deal DT John McCargo signed on July 28, 2006 occurred after the Bills started training camp.  In fact, we'd be inclined to do just the opposite; McCargo signed on a Friday, and the Bills typically begin training camp on the final Saturday of July.  So we think that McCargo is the only Bills first-round pick brought in by the current regime to be in camp on time.  If anyone remembers differently, let us know about it.

No. 8 overall pick Donte Whitner, however, didn't make it.  He signed a five-year, $29 million deal with $13.5 million guaranteed on August 5, over a full week after McCargo inked.  Unlike McCargo, who spent most of his rookie season injured, Whitner was a big contributor in his rookie season, playing in all 16 games and starting the final 15.

2007: Marshawn misses day one
2007 Bills first-round pick Marshawn Lynch inked his five-year, $18.9 million deal with $10.3 million guaranteed in the wee hours of the morning on Friday, July 27, 2007 - after missing the first day (two practices) of Bills training camp, which began on Thursday that year.  This was a minor hiccup in an otherwise smooth rookie season for Lynch, who wasted no time emerging as Buffalo's most consistent offensive threat his inaugural season.

2008: McKelvin MIA for four practices
We didn't see a signing of first-round CB Leodis McKelvin last year until Saturday, July 26, when McKelvin signed his five-year, $19.4 million deal with $12.6 million guaranteed.  By that time, the Bills had already had two days of two-a-days, and when you're coming out of Troy, you need all the practice reps you can get.  McKelvin, too, would contribute rather heavily in his rookie season, though he did not see significant time defensively until injuries severely depleted depth at cornerback.

Maybin and Wood are next
Only one of these four players - Lynch - was drafted to come in and start immediately.  Yes, it would have been nice if all four had started - and three of them did (McCargo might have, too, were it not for that peskily awesome Kyle Williams) - but the need for Lynch to contribute immediately was dire.  Granted, as a running back, he had what is widely considered the easiest positional transition from college to the pros.  Whatever the reasons, he made it work - but the Bills at least showed the awareness of how desperately they needed him in camp by signing him quickly.

Times were different in 2006 - it was head coach Dick Jauron's first season in Buffalo, expectations were ultra-low, and it's fair to point out that Whitner is the highest-ever draft selection from the current regime that needed to be signed.  The higher the player is selected, the more difficult it is to come to terms.  As for McKelvin, the Bills already had starting corners; while I'm sure they'd have liked to have had Leo for as many practices as possible, there wasn't an overbearing urgency to get something done.

The same can't be said of this year's first-rounders, Maybin and Wood.  Maybin is being counted on to put some punch back into Buffalo's incredibly lackluster pass rush despite concerns with his functional playing strength and his experience (one big season in college).  Wood is a key figure on one of the most massive offensive line overhauls in franchise history.  If you're picking one player that needs - and I cannot emphasize that word enough - as much practice as possible, literally, it's Maybin.  Wood might be second on that list.  Buffalo has done a good job limiting the "holdouts" to as little practice time as possible the last three years, but this time around, it'd be nice to buck the trend - even if the team does have an extra pre-season game this season.

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Russ is a little man

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone"
-Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Jul 13, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I would almost say that i am more concerned about Wood

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone"
-Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Jul 13, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

My prediciton....

Maybin holds out for a few days. Wood signs and is in on time. Unless the holdouts become extended, it really doesn’t concern me. It is part of the “game” played between agents and front offices.

The key to the Bills 2009 season; Can Trent Edwards grow beyond just not being Loseman

by Joe P. on Jul 13, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

That would be my guess too. Wood signs a few days before camp and Maybin signs a couple days into camp. It would be nice to get Maybin in there on time, but a few days isn’t a big deal at all.

by kaisertown on Jul 13, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's say both sides are negotiating in good faith and a deal is close...

That appears to have been the situation in each of the cases you cite over the past three years. No question all the #1’s were going to be signed, but for whatever reason (perhaps gamesmanship on one or both sides), the process got prolonged past the first day of camp by a day or two.

If that were to occur again, how about the players make a statement by showing up on time, despite the fact that their contracts are not finalized?

Would that not send a signal that the players are as committed as the front office is, to winning this year?

Would that not signal to fans and teammates that something fundamental in the Bills organization has changed, that winning more games is the focus?

by Defensewinsgames on Jul 13, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s pretty much wishful thinking. An agent would never let an unsigned player practice (nor should they).

It’s always important to get players in on time, but you can’t control what the player side will be looking to negotiate. You can’t just give a player what they ask for if it’s unreasonable just for the sake of getting them in on time.

Maybin’s contract will be the most difficult, just because the money is bigger at the top of the draft. But even if he’s late I don’t think it’s that big of a deal… his role initially will be to find the QB and tackle him. I don’t think the first days of practice will make a difference in September.

by Pistol on Jul 13, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

As nice as it would be...

I can’t see that ever happening. If a player were to suffer a season- or career-ending injury in training camp without a contract, they’d be costing themselves millions of dollars. I’ll be watching to see what happens with Tyrone McKenzie in New England because of this very reason.

by Mark Parisi on Jul 13, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I keep wondering about that myself…Anyone know if there is some sort of insurance policy that the teams get to cover their draft picks for OTA’s, and that brief rookie camp…What id your #1 pick came up lame in a non-pads practice before they were signed…From a legal standpoint, would the player have any recourse if the injury were say, career ending?

I love me some DB's...I might just be Dick Jauron's long lost twin!

by DBLuv on Jul 13, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

For that matter, are players even compensated for OTAs? I mean, they are optional. I’d love to know what a player’s options are in a career ending situation. My guess would be “not much.”

by Mark Parisi on Jul 13, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Link for training camp payments

ARTICLE XXXVII

PRE-SEASON TRAINING CAMPS
Section 1. Definition: For purposes of this Article, a "rookie player" is defined as any player who has not completed one season in which a year of Credited Service under the Bert Bell or Pete Rozelle Plan has been earned, and a "veteran player" is defined as any player who has completed one or more seasons in which a year of Credited Service has been earned under such Plan(s).

Section 2. Room and Board: All players will receive room and board during the pre-season training camp, and housing between training camp and the Tuesday prior to their Club’s first regular season game for those players who have not as yet established residence in the Team city.

Section 3. Rookie Per Diem: A rookie player will receive "per diem" payments at the rate of $775 per week in the 2006 League Year, $800 per week in the 2007-08 League Years, $825 per week in the 2009-10 League Years and the 2011 League Year if it is an Uncapped Year, and $850 per week in the 2011 League Year if is a Capped Year and the 2012 League Year, commencing with the first day of preseason training camp and ending one week prior to the Club’s first regular season game.

Section 4. Veteran Per Diem: A veteran player will receive "per diem" payments at the rate of $1,100 per week in the 2006-07 League Years, $1,225 per week in the 2008-10 League Years and the 2011 League Year if it is an Uncapped Year, and $1,375 per week in the 2011 League Year if it is a Capped Year and the 2012 League Year, commencing with the first day of pre-season training camp and ending one week prior to the Club’s first regular season game, and an additional $200 per week during the pre-season, commencing with the Club’s first pre-season game (exclusive of the Canton Hall of Fame Game and any International Game) and ending one week prior to the Club’s first regular season game.

I’m guessing players don’t get paid for OTA’s since they are voluntary. If a player, like an unsigned rookie, were to get injured and have to retire from the game, I’m sure they’d get some sort of settlement. Obviously, a signing bonus would be nice to have before that point, but these guys know the risks they are taking.

And I’m sure NFL teams have quite the insurance policies, especially for these offseason voluntary workouts.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 13, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome stuff, thanks for finding it.

I would imagine the team would provide some kind of settlement… I just wonder if they’re legally obligated to?

by Mark Parisi on Jul 13, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would imagine they would be taken to court if they didn’t provide a settlement….

Then again, maybe the players sign some sort of waiver before the OTA’s to remove all liability against the team in case of an injury…..

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 13, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to think they’d get sued for sure if they didn’t provide a settlement, but I just can’t imagine them winning a court case against a NFL team.

Player: “I got hurt playing football”

Judge: “You got hurt playing a contact sport? NO!!!”

by Mark Parisi on Jul 14, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

2nd that

Thanks K…

Where do you find this stuff without having to read the entire CBA?

I love me some DB's...I might just be Dick Jauron's long lost twin!

by DBLuv on Jul 14, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Luck

and Google

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 14, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone should get a post going to track 1st round draft signees

but I pray they are just both there on time. Rookie pay scale!!

Anyway, I expect Wood definitely on time, and Maybin no more than a few days, possibly one.

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 13, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

more so than in previous seasons

I’d say its more important to the rookies to get here on time than ever in the past for two reasons. First, the regime has a substantial possibility of not being around next year and a new one may not feel beholden to the draft selections of Russ, Jauron, and company. The sooner you get in, the sooner you can and are better prepared to produce on the field, increasing the odds another regime will keep you around. You see a lot of the times, when new management and coaching is brought into a team the arrival of veteran free agents the coach is comfortable with to start over younger pieces from the previous regime as well as situations in which contracts and trust are no longer respected. Look at Joshua Cribbs, who claims he was promised a new deal from Crennel and Savage and is now being told by the new guys in charge that they made no such promise.

Secondly, and related, is that more rookies than ever have a chance to start. Past few years 20\08, James Hardy and Chris Ellis had openings if they were worthy and in 2007, Lynch and Poz. This year you can realistically say that Aaron Maybin, Eric Wood, Andy Levitre, Shawn Nelson and Jairus Byrd (if you believe claims of him sending Whitner or Scott to the bench) all have an opening to start.

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Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jul 13, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think Nelson has a chance to start week 1.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 14, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just realized I scheduled this to post 3 hours early. Didn’t mean to bury Eric’s book review. Don’t miss that, folks…

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 13, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I candidly expect both of them to be in camp on time, although it might first be around Saturday Maybin signs as the case was with McKelvin last year. As long as it’s not any longer than that, I can live with it, but if it takes just a little longer, then the Bills Front Office is making yet another money-based mistake (i.e. being cheap).
As Brian so correctly put it: We cannot afford any of these important youngsters to miss any substantial time, especially when we’re counting on their contribution this year.

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jul 13, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I expect Wood to be in on time and Maybin within a day or two.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 13, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Idk about that...

We have all read about Maybins tough but inspirational history and Class A attitude. Both are Class A athletes and human beings, so I dont expect a Problem. Now i do expect a problem with Byrd and Nelson. If you listened to Nelsons interview right after he was drafted, he seemed pissed that the bills drafted him and not someother team. Or maybe it was jsut that he got drafted so late. Who knows..Only time will tell

I can do everything through him who gives me strength. Philippians 4:13

by NCbillsfan12 on Jul 13, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

he seemed pissed that the bills drafted him and not someother team

I don’t think it was at Buffalo – being drafted that late was peeved him off – and I agree with him based off of the assessments we’ve been given of his abilities. Hopefully he just plays with a chip on his shoulder and tries to prove all the other teams they were wrong.

But the Bills are going to pay him well – can’t find a job on the street that pays you that much with no experience other than college. He’ll play well not only to “stick it to” the other teams – but to also try and get a larger contract. These are good things and work in our favor.

I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying

by J2 on Jul 13, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck to a 4th round pick that makes it difficult to sign him or implies that he wants out. Talk about burning bridges early in a career.

I really don’t think that is going to happen, and I doubt Nelson was ticked the Bills drafted him. After all, they were the ones who saw something in him to pick him instead of passing on him again. They are the ones that have big plans for his future. He should be thrilled the Bills took him, he’s a guy the team really needed. I understand him being ticked off that he was considered a 2nd round pick all along and fell to the 4th round. That is a reason to be angry, but not at the team that did draft him….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 13, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you listened to Nelsons interview right after he was drafted

Do you have a link for that? I either missed it, or don’t rememeber listening to it.

by krytime on Jul 13, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck staying awake for it.

Link,

“What are your thoughts on joining the Bills?”

“… [2 second pause] umm, you know, ah…”

He does sound pissed, but I personally think he’s just a boring guy to interview.

by Mark Parisi on Jul 13, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoops!

That’s not it (but check out some of the Trent Edwards needle threaders), this is it.

by Mark Parisi on Jul 13, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He certainly didn't seem excited, but he tried to say the right thing

I like how he tried to play like he was focused on the Bills but calls them “the Buffalo” in the interview.

The key to the Bills 2009 season; Can Trent Edwards grow beyond just not being Loseman

by Joe P. on Jul 13, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

peskily awesome Kyle Williams

This is perhaps my 2nd favorite description of him. In my mind it only slightly trails when one of his former LSU coaches (I can’t remember which) called him a “bowling ball of butcher knives” right around the time he was drafted.

I'll donate $1 to help Mary Wilson pay the estate tax...who's with me?!?

by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Jul 13, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

K. Williams

One of my favorite current Bills and i hope he has a stellar year, because I think he works hard, but its the talent level I’m concerned about, as far as will it mature with him and will he gain the skills needed to be a real terror in the middle. He is consistently average and has flashes of above average play, but for D to really click, he’s got to learn something from Stroud, as well as, and I’m sure he’s been working at it, getting his body stronger.

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 13, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

"bowling ball of butcher knives"

I thought that was the quote describing Travis Henry when he was drafted – “it’s like tackling a bowling ball of butcher knives rolling downhill.”

Along that note, another personal favorite described Antoine Winfield – “that boy plays like his hair’s on fire.”

by krytime on Jul 13, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Kelsay, that boy plays like his feet are asleep. Pins and needles, pins and needles!!!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 13, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Antoine Winfield memory

I remember a funny moment during training camp in Fredonia the year Antoine was a rookie.

Ken Irvin and he were signing autographs along the fence, as the secondary was leaving the practice field. Irvin had a few fans wanting his John Hancock, but being the new prize rookie, most of the Bills fans were mobbing and calling for Antoine, trying to get his. Irvin, as he signed his autographs, was mocking the rookie and his fans who were jockeying for position around Winfield — he kept calling “ANN-TOINE…ANN-TOINE…..Oh, ANN-TOINE” in this high-pitched adoring female fan voice.

by Dyl on Jul 14, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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