Would Edwards have a SB ring if he played for the Steelers in 2008?

by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 16, 2009 7:56 PM EDT Comment 51 comments

After reading the final installment of Brian's Top Ten Bills to Decide 2009 : #1 Trent Edwards post. I thought that one of the keys to victory could be running the ball 40-50 times a game. I've always connected Pittsburgh with a power run game from the years of Bettis. I thought that running the ball was Pittsburgh's method and that if it worked for the Steelers, it could work for the Bills this year. Come on, Lynch, Jackson, Rhodes? It's a pretty nice stable. So I looked into things. Still always in the back of my head, I thought, come on, they are a run-oriented team. Ben averaged under 30 attempts per game and ONLY 17 completions in 2008. Then I looked at the team's season stats. Look at their season averages: rushing (105 per game), passing (311 per game), pts. per game (21.7), and yards per game (311.9). They were an average offense on paper and their O-line was atrocious. The Bills were at least two teams behind them in each offensive category. Sure the O was clutch in the SB but who wouldn't feel confident with a #1 ranked D?

So then I thought about a Big Ben and Edwards comparison because I'm crazy. Ben is one hell of a game manager and that's the very least I'm asking Trent to be. Their builds are similar, only one inch and ten pounds lost between each. Similar arm strength. I know Roethlisberger is one of the hardest QB's to take down when scrambling and is much sturdier than most people perceive TE to be, but I think Edwards needs to gain that confidence. If Trent's awareness and leadership could get to the level of Big Ben's, we got ourselves a great player and a QB to lean on. Let's look at season stats:

Big Ben

Season	Team			Passing										Rushing				Fumbles
Season	Team	G	GS	Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	Avg	TD	Int	Sck	SckY	Rate	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	FUM	Lost
2008	Pittsburgh Steelers	16	16	281	469	59.9	3,301	7.0	17	15	46	284	80.1	34	101	3.0	2	14	7
2007	Pittsburgh Steelers	15	15	264	404	65.3	3,154	7.8	32	11	47	347	104.1	35	204	5.8	2	9	3
2006	Pittsburgh Steelers	15	15	280	469	59.7	3,513	7.5	18	23	46	280	75.4	32	98	3.1	2	5	2
2005	Pittsburgh Steelers	12	12	168	268	62.7	2,385	8.9	17	9	23	129	98.6	31	69	2.2	3	2	1
2004	Pittsburgh Steelers	14	13	196	295	66.4	2,621	8.9	17	11	30	213	98.1	56	144	2.6	1	2	2
TOTAL				1,189	1,905	62.4	14,974	7.9	101	69	192	1,253	89.4	188	616	3.3	10	32	15

Trent

Season	Team			Passing										Rushing				Fumbles
Season	Team	G	GS	Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	Avg	TD	Int	Sck	SckY	Rate	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	FUM	Lost
2008	Buffalo Bills	14	14	245	374	65.5	2,699	7.2	11	10	23	143	85.4	36	117	3.3	3	9	5
2007	Buffalo Bills	10	9	151	269	56.1	1,630	6.1	7	8	12	105	70.4	14	49	3.5	0	4	0
TOTAL				396	643	61.6	4,329	6.7	18	18	35	248	79.1	50	166	3.3	3	13	5

Alright, I understand what most people are going to say. Double the sacks = Dead shattered Trent. But most of those sacks came from Ben trying his damnedest to make a play. Our O-line was pretty sucktastic as well with Melduke Fowlstonsuck playing revolving door and patchwork. Now I think that Trent is a much more heady QB where Ben relys on his physical gifts. But I think they are comparable to the point that Trent would be as successful if put in the same situation. Obvisouly Ben was drafted onto a team that was ready to compete and they took the chance on a rookie, much like Joe Flacco on this years Ravens which took a different route. I do have to say that I was surprised to see that 2008 was the first season that Ben played a complete season.

I really think that Trent will step up and put on his daddypants in his second full season and I'm somewhat expecting numbers in line with Big Ben's 2005 season. Please tear this to shreds boys.

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Great fanpost. The title is a very interesting question.

The only thing that needs to be ripped to shreds are these three words:

Similar arm strength

Amongst starters, Ben is in the top 5-10 in the league in armstrength. Edwards is in the bottom 5-10. Edwards has an NFL calibre arm, but his arm strength isn’t an advantage for him.

Could Edwards have won a Super Bowl in Pittsburgh this year? I think the answer has to be, maybe. That defense is ridiculous. They gave up 100 less yards per game then Buffalo did. They lead the league by only giving up 14 points per game. 51 sacks, 20 INTs and teams only ran for 3.3 yards per carry. Trent Dilfer won a SB in Baltimore and Trent certainly could with that kind of defense.

Trent also showed that he is able to lose any game on his own with that performance against Cleveland and it would be really tough for any team to win with his games against NE and SF too. So, just like the question for this year is which Trent is going to show up, whether or not the Steelers would have one the SB with Edwards depends on which Trent would have shown up in the playoffs.

A couple small thoughts:

Obviously Buffalo needs a run game this year. They had a decent one last year, but it needs to be a little better this year. Adding TO and a new center should help it improve some. But I don’t think that pounding the ball on the ground would necessarily help Trent or the offense. Run heavy teams take advantage of their ground attack through a vertical passing attack. If adding TO doesn’t improve this offense’s ability to go over the top, then a run heavy offense doesn’t give us an advantage over the defense. You defend the short passing game and the run game the same way, you pull your safeties up and crowd the 10-15 yards around the LOS. Running the ball as often as passing doesn’t make it any easier or more effective to check down and it probably actually makes the RBs job of picking up yards after the catch more difficult.

The Bills are already a run heavy team. I didn’t do the math, but just looking over the run and pass attempts from last year, the Bills are in the top 5-10 in run attempts vs. pass attempts.

by kaisertown on Jul 16, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm Sorry

Amongst starters, Ben is in the top 5-10 in the league in armstrength. Edwards is in the bottom 5-10. Edwards has an NFL calibre arm, but his arm strength isn’t an advantage for him.

That is as ridiculous a statement as they come. There is no proof of that you could cite.

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 16, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Feed the Beast!

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by thurman on Jul 17, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree my friend

Feed him and feed him often! I am so anxious to see our new “mean” guards at work, it’s like a brand new toy that I have to wait till it is fully charged before using for the first time… I really can’t wait to see how they blow open holes for our powerful trio of backs!

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by keysh67 on Jul 17, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’d avoid using the word “ridiculous” there, killascript. There may not be a way to tangibly prove it, but it’s a commonly held opinion.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 17, 2009 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fine, I apologize

especially to such an avid poster like kaiser. But I do still feel that way.

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 17, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

First of all arm strength means nothing if it ain’t accurate. I’ll be the first to admit that Trent doesn’t go down field enough but please let’s not confuse that with not having enough arm strength. He certainly is not in the bottom 5-10

Worse than Edwards
Chad Pennington
Jeff Garcia
Brady Quinn
Kerry Collins
Vince Young
Kyle Orton
A Smith
S. Hill
David Garrard
S. Rosenfeld
T. Jackson

Muddled Middle
Trent Edwards
Jake Delhomme
Kurt Warner
Eli Manning
Matt Casel
Jason Campbell
M Hasselbeck
Drew Brees
Tony Romo

Big & Accurate
Joe Flacco
Matt Ryan
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
D. McNabb
A. Rodgers
J Cutler

Long & inaccurate (Class of his own)
J. Russel

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by keysh67 on Jul 17, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whoa. Kerry Collins? One of the strongest arms in the league. Same with Tarvaris Jackson, even if he sucks. Quinn’s arm is stronger, too, though he’d be in your “muddled middle” section as well. Still, your point is valid.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 17, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whoa. Kerry Collins?

I thought the same thing when I saw that.

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by sireric on Jul 17, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

T. Jackson does have a cannon, even if he isn’t the best passer when it comes to decision making.

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 17, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think T. Jackson belongs in the same catigory as Russell. Hell of a cannon, can run like nobody’s business, but his accuracy needs a lot of work.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 21, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but please let’s not confuse that with not having enough arm strength

I never said he doesn’t have enough arm strength and never would. I followed up the arm strength statement with:

Edwards has an NFL calibre arm, but his arm strength isn’t an advantage for him.

Is that too harsh of a comment for all the Edwards fans out there? I don’t think I’m being too hard on him at all. He throws a great ball with more than enough velocity. He doesn’t have the ability to throw the ball on a rope, flat-footed on a 15 yard route like Roethlisberger does.

I also prefaced the bottom 5-10 statement with “amongst starters”. So you can’t use both Hill and Smith. Vince Young doesn’t count and Garcia and Rosenfels probably won’t be starting either. I don’t think Edwards has a weak arm, there are just 22+ starters out there who have stronger ones and Roethlisber’s arm is comparable to anybody’s. I simply thought the arm strength comparison was wrong.

Other than the things that have already been mentioned, Matt Cassel is in the bottom 2-4 guys. His arm strength is non-existent and I’d rank him dead last if Pennington’s arm strength wasn’t a joke. I think Tom Brady has pretty average arm strength too. He just anticipates so well that you’d never notice. Drew Brees has a pretty weak arm and Jason Campbell should be in that top tier.

by kaisertown on Jul 17, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You should know that if you say anything remotely negative about Trent, it’ll spark some sort of heated discussion!

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by Kurupt on Jul 18, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There is no proof of that you could cite

Well, in a group of QB prospects who were all considered to have average arms, Edwards did throw one of the slowest balls at the combine in 2007.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2007QB.php

But that’s pretty irrelevant because arm strength isn’t about how far someone can throw a ball or how hard a player is capable of throwing. Arm strength is about the natural velocity a QB generates on a typical, real game situation pass. Bottom 5 was too harsh, but I’ll stand by Trent being in the bottom 10. Arm strength isn’t a weakness for him like it is for some other guys, it’s not something that Edwards is going to have to overcome or compensate for, but it isn’t an advantage for him like it is for Roethlisberger.

by kaisertown on Jul 17, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it makes more sense to say that it isn’t an advantage for Edwards, so I’ll give you that. I would say it also isn’t a disadvantage to him, that if his arm were stronger he would be better. Like if he had J.P.’s arm or something, and had say…no brain.

But while Edwards’ arm strength is average for an NFL QB, I like his style of throwing if that means anything to anyone, and that’s what I gauge alot of QBs on…how they throw it in terms of their motion, and how the ball travels, which I have always found interesting

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 17, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like if he had J.P.’s arm or something, and had say…no brain.

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by Kurupt on Jul 18, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Steelers have been so good

its hard to compare these stats. The best I could say is that Trent’s stats could have done it, but his playmaking, leadership ability, straight toughness, and calmness under duress have yet to be anywhere near Big Ben’s. Proof is in the pudding, and at this point Trent has done nothing to prove he can take anyone anywhere, nonetheless the Super Bowl. You have to win big games, against good teams…we beat a battered San Diego team last year, and a Denver team with no defense. Beyond that, no one was near good that we beat last year, and we even lost against bad teams…All Trent’s fault? No.

But, I would finally say that it is very plausible that Trent would be better on a better team, at least as far as being in a position to win games. But that’s how it goes. The bigger question would be weather Big Ben would have taken the Bills to the Super Bowl….probably not

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 16, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I doubt it. But that’s not a slight to Trent. It’s more a compliment to Big Ben. He made some ridiculous plays for them last year, buying time to find Holmes/Ward/Miller/Moore/whoever when the play should have been dead. I’m not sure too many other QB’s make those plays. Without him, I don’t think the Steelers win the SB. I’m not sure Manning or Brees wins it there with that line.

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by Kurupt on Jul 17, 2009 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Never ever

could Trent have dreamed of winning that super bowl last year. Big Ben already had been their and won it before. Trent would have collapsed under the pressure and the terrible offensive line that they fielded. Big Ben is in his prime and he is dangerous because of his strong arm, mobility and his brute force. I remember watching him play at Miami of Ohio and I told my father that he was an amazing talent. My dad finally told me that he concurred just this past year.

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by Cutter3636 on Jul 17, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Average QBs do win Superbowls

Think of Mark Rypien, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer. I rate Trent Edwards as good as any of these, obviously the rest of the team were better than the Bills (then and now)

The other question to ask is would Big Ben have got to the Superbowl with Melduke Fowlstonsuck and Dockery playing with him?

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by gregeng on Jul 17, 2009 7:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Melduke Fowlstonsuck

Haha, it’s Prestfowsuck. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 17, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

I knew I was in the ballpark. :)

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 17, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

would Big Ben have got to the Superbowl with Melduke Fowlstonsuck and Dockery playing with him?

He pretty much did. Pittsburgh’s OL was awful last year.

by kaisertown on Jul 17, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i guess a follow up question would be

would we have had a better season last year with Big ben over Trent?

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by billsoferie on Jul 17, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thats the third time that's been said

Once by me, but it still remains, could a QB have taken a very average 2008 Bills to the playoffs or even Super Bowl? If it doesn’t happen this year with Trent, and reliable vets in skill positions such as RB, CB, and WR added to the roster and young players developing all over the roster….then it will be a tough decision next year as to what to do.

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 17, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha, i read that too

sorry

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by billsoferie on Jul 17, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Edwards would have won the superbowl and gotten a ring so long as he was Big Ben’s backup.

I can’t believe the non-sense I am reading. Besides the KC game Edwards has rarely if ever made a play with his legs. Big Ben does it all the time AND at key points in the game. Big Ben’s arm strength AND long ball accurracy is far superior to Trent at this point in their careers. I am not saying Trent won’t improve and be as good if not better than Big Ben (even though I personally doubt it). But, to compare the Trent Edwards of 08 to Big Ben of ’08 is not even remotely close from a physical point from a game management point or having the ability to read defenses.

Big Ben is a proven winner who makes plays when it counts and wills his team to win and I believe makes others around him better. Big Ben did that in college too at Miami (OH) something Trent did not do at Stanford.

by Berg79 on Jul 17, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Further

If Big Ben was QB’ing the Bills last year I believe we win the division and go far into the playoffs.

by Berg79 on Jul 17, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know about that

Arguably the best and most powerful defense in the league, a very good tight end, two top notch receivers, and a very strong running game. Not to mention one of my favorite new coaches, and that gets you to the Super Bowl and deep into the playoffs when you have a Big Ben running your offense.
The Bills may have been better with Ben at QB, maybe 9-7 (but if JP wasn’t QBing some of our games we might have been anyway) but I think with Mike Tomlin and Ben then you can say we be there….our coaching is somewhere between suspect and suck. Don’t forget it

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 17, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you that far in the playoff might be a stretch. But I feel with Big Ben he doesn’t throw the pick 6 at home against the Jets on a 7+ minute drive and certainly assists w a QB sneak in getting the 4th and 1 on the 2nd back to back 7+ min drive. Besides the Jets at home I feel with better QB play we beat the Jets on the road, Miami in Toronto, SF at home, and maybe Clev at home and Miami on the road too. I would not say we could win a playoff game or two but I do feel we would have ended up 11-5 or maybe 12-4. ultimately the coaching would have prevented a superbowl appearance but it doesn’t mean Big Ben couldn’t have gotten us a win in the playoffs.

Dont forget our special teams were great (Again) and the D was put in many tough positions due to the offensive inefficiencies. I wouldn’t underestimate Roth’s leadership abilities and what that may have brought to the team as a whole last year.

by Berg79 on Jul 17, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its a stretch

Let’s remember this debate around week 8. I really like Trent, but last year had a lot wrong with it

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by killascript on Jul 17, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and maybe Clev at home

haha, that’s the one game that we can say without any doubt that Buffalo would have one with Big Ben instead of Trent. Three picks in the first half, averaged 5.7 yards per attempt and the team almost won anyways. Lynch and Jackson combine for 180 yards and both average 5+ ypc, McKelvin houses a kick return, Parrish has a 34 yard punt return and the defense shut down Jamal Lewis and Brady Quinn. If Roethlisberger is the QB, we win that game by a couple of TDs.

I think Buffalo wins at least 10 games last year and maybe the 11 or 12 you suggest with Big Ben. If all Roethlisberger did was keep Losman on the sidelines, this team wins a couple more games then they did last year. Throw in Cleveland and maybe another game, and your at 10 or 11 wins.

by kaisertown on Jul 17, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True Clev should have joined SF and the Jets at the top of the list. With Big Ben we go at least 2-4 v. the JEts/Fins and probably 3-1 or 4-0.

by Berg79 on Jul 17, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

2 out of 4.

by Berg79 on Jul 17, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Big Ben has never lost in the state of Ohio in 5 years and we play Cleveland and Cincy two times each!

Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII

by SteeladyinVA on Jul 20, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree on the 11 win thing. We had no offense for most of our losses, and a guy like Big Ben just seems to generate yards and points when his team needs them the most. We could have used that last year.

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by Kurupt on Jul 18, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So far in this thread, we’ve had “ridiculous” and “nonsense.” The power of words, people. Let’s not be pissy.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 17, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is a ridiculously sweet blog and I love the no nonsense approach that you take as Editor in Chief.

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by J2 on Jul 17, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL. If I had to guess one person who would make some variant of this comment, I’d have had some sort of epic internal battle between you and Joe P. You win!

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 17, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL – well Joe just didn’t have a chance yet – i’m sure his variant would be more than satisfactory

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by J2 on Jul 17, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You did well J2....don't think I can beat that.

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by Joe P. on Jul 17, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah!

I didn’t create this post to make hate! haha

Honestly, Ben is special. Rookies don’t go to the AFC championships every year and then go on to win the SB in their second season. That sort of maturity is somewhat uncanny. Ben’s also a seven year vet. I hope his decision making skills and game management is top-notch. I was just very surprised to see the stats and thought, hmmmm, these are similar, let’s see what the guys at BR think.

Trent is only in his second year as a starter. Most of the great QBs you can possibly think of had slow starts and did not come out of the gates like Big Ben (His line that first year was loaded with Pro-Bowlers though… Faneca, Hartings, Marvel Smith)

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 17, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Other than for Fantasy Football I try not to get caught up in stats. I don’t get caught up in the #‘s for sacks or for catches but rather at the football player as a whole. For ex. If you made me list my top 5 WR’s Hines Ward would definetely be in there even though his stats dont compare with other top guys. The special players make those amazing players at critical times…and help others make special plays. If you could ask me who I would want to QB the Bills if I could pick anyone in the league knowing our team makeup and that we are in a cold-weather city Big Ben would be #2 behind Brady but ahead of the Mannings Brees Romo etc. Hopefully, Trent can get on track and stay on track and lead us to a consistent string of playoff appearances but until that happens it is tough to compare him to any 2X superbowl winning QB.

Brian: I was unaware nonsense was such a harsh word!!!! I will go from PG to G if it makes you happy.

by Berg79 on Jul 17, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And there was certainly no hate on my end…more like pure shock.

by Berg79 on Jul 17, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, that’s my point, though… it’s the Internet. We (I) can’t tell! :)

I probably shouldn’t have said anything. I just try to keep sniping away (not that you really did so).

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 17, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting stuff guys…I am going to link this @ BTSC on the front page and see what kind of thoughts us Steeler fans have to say…

hope ya don’t mind.

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Jul 17, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow.

btw, amazing name, sig and avatar. One of my all-time favorite films.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 17, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks, one of my favorite as well

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Jul 18, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It really comes down to this:

Does Trent make that pass to Santonio to win the Super Bowl? My guess is no. It’s not a slight to Trent, but it was simply an amazing throw and catch.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Jul 18, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

My answer to the author: No.

The reasons:
(1) Trent would not have been able to take the pounding Ben did last season.
(2) I think Big Ben is more difficult to bring under tackle than Trent. This leads to
(3) Big Ben makes plays on the run pretty consistently compared to Trent.

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jul 20, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs