Seven Bills to track during 2009 training camp
This time of year, with NFL training camps just around the corner, people like to focus on the big story lines - as they do any time of the year - as well as the "sleepers," those little-known players that could surprise and make one look quite intelligent for dropping a name in pre-camp discussions.
Those topics are interesting, but they don't cover the entire spectrum. There are plenty of pique-your-interest story lines heading into Buffalo Bills training camp that likely won't land on the radar of either of the aforementioned discussion points. Obviously, I'll be keeping an eye on players like Trent Edwards, Terrell Owens, Langston Walker and Aaron Schobel in training camp (amongst several others). I'll be keeping an eye on the re-tooled offensive line just as closely as the rest of y'all. And yes, I'm interested to see how sleepers like RB Bruce Hall and everyone's favorite rookie, CB Ellis Lankster, fare starting this Saturday as well.
But I've got seven more guys to bring up that should be tracked on a daily basis. You've heard of them all. They're not all big names, but they've got roles to play and a good deal of talent. All rank somewhere between "big story" and "sleeper"; none of these guys are sleepers by any stretch, but they're worth tracking even though they're not household names (anywhere but Buffalo, that is). Those names are after the jump.
QB Ryan Fitzpatrick. Trent Edwards gets hurt a bit too frequently. He was injured early in 2007 and dinged throughout the season; last year, he missed a full 14 quarters of football. The chances that we will see Fitzpatrick playing meaningful snaps this season are quite high. Signed away from Cincinnati in March, Fitzpatrick was Buffalo's choice as Edwards' backup because of his intelligence and underrated athleticism. But it's no secret that Fitzpatrick has also been streaky and turnover-happy in his young career. Now he's learning an entirely new system. It would be nice to see Fitzpatrick making sound decisions and being smart with the ball in camp. Encouragement is always great to have when discussing backup quarterbacks.
TE Shawn Nelson. If there is one Bills draft pick this year that screams "boom or bust" louder than Nelson, I'd love to hear that argument. Nelson is perhaps the most unique talent the Bills have selected in the Draft in Dick Jauron's four years in Buffalo - he's one-dimensional, very raw, and unlike a player in a similar situation (DE Aaron Maybin), playing time is not guaranteed to Nelson right out of the gate. Nelson spent most of rookie mini-camps working with the wide receivers. He won't be a big part of the passing attack whether he booms or busts, but if he develops nicely, he could be a nice additional red zone target. If not, we could be looking at a Chris Ellis-like rookie season.
OT Demetrius Bell. Right now, everything sounds peachy when discussing Bell, even though he's entering just his fifth year of organized football. We talked recently about Bell's relevance to the offensive line based purely on his immense talent level at the tackle position. Folks, tackle isn't exactly a deep position for the Bills. There is depth to the earholes on the inside, where nearly every player can play all three positions. In terms of pure tackles, however, Bell might be the only other name on the list besides starting LT Langston Walker. His progress is significant just from the standpoint of curiosity, but the better he is this pre-season, the more comfortable the coaches will be after trading Jason Peters.
DE Chris Ellis. Aaron Schobel is back. Aaron Maybin is here. Chris Kelsay and Ryan Denney still exist and are clogging up the depth chart. Copeland Bryan wasn't terrible in '08, either. Where does Ellis fit in? Can he rebound from a zero-impact rookie season? We know the talent is there, but is the work ethic? We've heard reports recently that Ellis has been busting his butt all year getting ready to assert himself into the end rotation. Bills fans have every reason to be skeptical until we see that happening. Ellis will get his chance to make that happen starting next week; I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm very curious to see how his pre-season unfolds.
DT John McCargo. It's not often that a player gets a second crack with a franchise that tried - and, in reality, succeeded - to trade him the previous year. 2006 first-round pick McCargo gets exactly that opportunity this year in Buffalo, and early reports have McCargo rejuvenated and working harder than ever under new defensive line coach Bob Sanders. If you're asking me, McCargo is the most talented player on this list. There's no denying that his physical gifts are enormous. If he can put it together mentally and in his preparation under Sanders, he might just make something of himself after all.
LB Alvin Bowen. In an effort to get more physical in the front seven over the past couple of years, the Bills have sacrificed some speed and athleticism, particularly at linebacker. Paul Posluszny and Kawika Mitchell aren't going to beat many Cover 2 linebackers in a foot race. Bowen, along with undrafted rookie free agent Ashlee Palmer, is probably the most athletic linebacker on the squad. He's coming off of a non-existent rookie season thanks to a severe knee injury, but young, athletic linebackers always have a chance to contribute in this defense. Most will focus on his (very) dark horse chance at winning the SAM linebacker job, but Bowen should emerge as a centerpiece of Bobby April's special teams units.
FS Jairus Byrd. The Bills are deep at safety. Donte Whitner, Bryan Scott, George Wilson and Ko Simpson all have significant game experience. John Wendling is an ace on special teams. But none of these players has been able to consistently provide game-changing plays (though that might change in some cases with an improved pass rush). Byrd is here because he was a playmaker in college, registering 17 interceptions in three years. His instincts are excellent, but he has a lot of ground to make up after missing most of the team's pre-season workouts. Keep an eye on whether or not Byrd looks lost while running the defense from the free safety position; his early disadvantage could keep him off the field in a similar fashion to the aforementioned Nelson.
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I’d put Hardy on there too. I’d also be watching Levitre to see if he’s capable of starting right away. I’m not worried about Wood, but I am about Levitre.
I really hope that stupid rule about draftees from certain colleges being unable to participate in OTA’s doesn’t hurt Byrd. He is a smart kid that’s been around the NFL before, so I’m not as worried as I’d be if it were someone else. We need him to get acclimated quickly and hopefully make some kind of impact this year. This secondary is DESPERATE for a playmaker.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I guess
I’d add Schouman too. It’ll be interesting to see if he’s substantiallly improved his blocking ability as a TE, because Edwards alluded that he’ll be his favorite TE target.
Forgot to add the quote...
"I think (Derek) Schouman’s been here the last couple years with me, he was the same draft class with me, and I feel very comfortable with Derek," said Edwards. "I think he’s progressed really well through these last couple practices and I think he’s going to be a big part of our pass game. Derek (Fine) and John (Stupar) and those guys are going to need to step up as well as Shawn (Nelson). But I really am feeling more and more comfortable with Schouman."
Is it strange to anyone else...
that TE would so openly influence the depth chart considerations? I am not saying that OBD will do what TE wants and make D-Shou the starter without him earning it, but if it comes down to Fine and D-Shou being neck and neck, I have to believe that TEs endorsement will weigh into the final decision if it is close.
by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 21, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't put too much stock into it
Remember how Lee Evans fought to have JP Losman be the guy when it was just not his thing.
Good call, although we need to see him in game situations more than the practice setting. Yeah, we can see his improved blocking in practice, but we really need to see him up against different competition…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
K...
I swear your home state must be Missouri (the Show Me State) LOL. I have to agree though and it would be nice to have several weapons at the TE position for a change. I was tired of the key mistakes that Robert the Royal screw-up would make at the most inopportune times.
But Hardy won't be fully healthy until at least halfway through...
and there is no telling how long it will take him to get comfortable with the knee.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 21, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t expect too much from Hardy this season (for that exact reason). Personally I’m looking forward to seeing what Johnson can do this year, and then what Hardy can do next year.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 21, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t that why we should be watching him? To see if he’ll even remotely healthy? If he doesn’t practice with the team right away, they should be putting him on the PUP list…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I completely agree K...
If he is not able to go week one, Jenkins or one of the OL/DL/LB bubble players should remain…
by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 21, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I almost put Hardy on this list – but as Matt mentions, the knee injury will render his pre-season rather pointless.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 21, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Make no mistake I will be watching how Hardy’s knee is coming along but I don’t expect much of him this year.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 21, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think Hardy gets PUP'ed to start
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My vote for biggest impact is
Fitz.
I say this because Byrd might get some time, same with Nelson, but Edwards goes down Fitz is the man. I would have liked to see us get someone with more experience for this reason but that is old news. Im not convinced that he should be labeled as injury prone yet, but odd of him playing every down are low.
Fitz will def be a major impact in more than one game.
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Good list and I agree with most of your reasoning, except Shawn Nelson......you really butchered that one IMO
TE Shawn Nelson. If there is one Bills draft pick this year that screams “boom or bust” louder than Nelson, I’d love to hear that argument…… (DE Aaron Maybin), playing time is not guaranteed to Nelson right out of the gate.
Which is why Nelson will get more time before he is labeled a “bust”. Nelson is not expected to start or contribute much this year. Maybin is expected to play not only DE but apparently LB as well. This kid is expected to make an impact in our pass rush right way, which put much more pressure on him than Nelson.
Nelson spent most of rookie mini-camps working with the wide receivers. He won’t be a big part of the passing attack whether he booms or busts, but if he develops nicely, he could be a nice additional red zone target.
What the hell are you talking about here? If he booms he won’t be a part of the passing attack. Why???? The fact he is working with the WR should tell us that in the passing attack is exactly where the Bills want to use him. TEs can catch passes to convert 3rd downs too.
If not, we could be looking at a Chris Ellis-like rookie season.
I assume you are talking about the lack of production and not that he is injury prone. Don’t get cute. I might mistake you for Baily at RF365 :-)
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Which is why Nelson will get more time before he is labeled a "bust".
I should have been more clear; when I said “boom or bust,” I was speaking in reference to the 2009 season ONLY.
What the hell are you talking about here? If he booms he won’t be a part of the passing attack. Why????
Again, my fault for vague language – I meant that even if he’s on the field more than expected, he won’t put up big numbers. I’d be happy with a Steve Johnson-like rookie season from Nelson.
I assume you are talking about the lack of production and not that he is injury prone. Don’t get cute.
Your assumption is correct. Is Chris Ellis even injury-prone? Can we give him that label? He had a high ankle sprain. He went on IR because of timing more than the severity of the injury.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 21, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Is Chris Ellis even injury-prone? Can we give him that label?
I just wasn’t sure if he had problems in college or what you were getting at with that one.
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Ha – I assure you, it does not.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 21, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.... that was meant more as a jab at Baily than Brain. You could never mistake the writing of the two.
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than Brian ... been awhile since I have done that :-)
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What’s funny is that not only is my name Brian, but his name is Bialy. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 21, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Vowels are interchangable.....just ask CBA :-)
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Haha, you mean CBF? F isn’t a vowel, Joe! :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 21, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah....I was making jole :-)
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Oh Ha Ha Guys
Geez, make a few spelling mistakes and you never hear the end of it!
by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 21, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
:) And we love the fact that you take it all in stride.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 21, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, what kind of Canadian would I be if I wasn’t nice an polite about it. and hey we all have our hickups. At least mine isn’t Miley Cirus ;)
by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 21, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m convinced, Bialy got the job because he memorized his Diana Hacker guide. I don’t even go there anymore and I noticed that 2BD doesn’t like to the site any longer.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 22, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Boom or Bust...
I’d have to agree that Maybin might be scream boom or bust a bit louder….i’d say some huge unknowns there, but there an assumption of boom given where he was picked. Although, I guess i can see Nelson there as “boom” potential might be higher (given the history of production from rookie DEs).
GoBills.
by The Biscuit on Jul 21, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybin definitely has bigger boom or bust potential. Is he a 3-4 backer or a 4-3 end? Is he too unpolished? Was his college season a fluke? And then there is the amount of skill he has. It just screams boom or bust
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I think the difference with Maybin...
is that he has been around elite-caliber NFL players for much of his recent life. I believe it shows in his work ethic and attitude, IMO he simply has the intangibles to be the leader of this defense in the coming years (he must earn the team’s respect first of course).
by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 21, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You make...
good points NorCal. I have really been impressed with how he handles himself with the media. He seems to be humble and mature but quietly confident. Of course, he could still be a bust, but I’m optimistic as usual (a tough thing to be, as a life-long Bills fan). God knows we need him to have an impact ASAP!!!
good points
I just hope our defense can take advantage of his skills. I’d honestly be more comfortable if I was a Chargers or Cowboys fan and they’d drafted him. I hope he can bulk up a bit and that he has the strength to handle NFL tackles.
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Joe P...
LOL, I can’t stand A. Bialy…Connor was were it was at…
by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 21, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Connor did an excellent job covering the Bills. But,
there is a new sheriff in town, and his name is Brain……ummmmmm…..Brian :-)
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Joe P.
You’re absolutely correct. Connor did an excellent job. He did more than submit!
Does anyone know where Connor is at now?
He stopped write articles because
he was promoted to editor (under Hugo) at RF365. Not sure if he still holds that position.
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Couple of details....
I don’t think it’s safe to say that DBell is an “immense talent.” He is immensely athletic for a man his size, but that doesn’t mean he’s a talented tackle. His athleticism gives him potential, which gives us hope… but that’s it……….. so far.
The same thing applies to John McCargo: he’s got great acceleration off the snap and is very strong, but that makes him a good athlete, not a talented one.
Anyways, minor details.
The players on that list are going to be the most important players to the success of the Buffalo Bills. We all know (to an extent) what our front-line starters are capable of and have a pretty good idea of how they’ll perform. But, what makes great teams great is what the no-names are able to do. When the no-names play above expectations, or even up to potential, it makes you a tough out every Sunday.
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That athleticism isn't talent?
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 21, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You can be athletic all you want, but that doesn’t mean you have football talent. Dwight Howard is one of the most athletic human beings I’ve ever seen, that doesn’t mean he has an ounce of football talent.
Right now, I’m kind with FA. Bell is immensely athletic for his size and that generates a ton of potential, but it also doesn’t mean he necessarily as the talent to play tackle at the NFL level (yet).
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
So natural ability qualifies...
as talent. See that’s what I thought.
I agree I don’t know if he can play tackle right now but I’m saying he’s obviously got some athleticism and talent.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 21, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
K...
has a point
but it also doesn’t mean he necessarily as the talent to play tackle at the NFL level (yet).
No problem....
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 21, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely not
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by ForeignArrow on Jul 21, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That's fine.
We have a different definition of talent then. Aptitude, talent, ability… all different.
I think Losman had tons of talent but couldn’t put it to good use.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 21, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Athletic ability/talent is different from football talent. I’d say football talent is more than just athleticism. I’d include such things as understanding the game/position, knowledge of technique, ability to utilize that technique, etc, etc, etc….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Man, we do semantics A. LOT. here.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 22, 2009 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions
When someone posts a new comment would say the box is beige or fleshtone?
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Just thank God the boxed quotes are no longer “pink”!
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by thefourwinds on Jul 22, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
K, I think you are defining “skill,” not “talent.”
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by thefourwinds on Jul 22, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m printing this off and taking notes. :-)
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I hope you keep an eye on Ashlee Palmer. I think that kid has enough to surprise this preseason, and is a guy I wouldn’t be surprised to see beat out Bowen for a job….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
good call MRW
that would be an excellent follow up piece!
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time to sign
it would just be nice to see them sign some of these rookies soon.why are they taking so long?one guy this whole off season.
keith_b
Two, actually.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 22, 2009 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Owens Evans and Edwards
Here is the thing I will be looking in on in Camp and that is if Owens-Evans-Edwards could get along on the feild and see what they can do together if it is good or bad i guess we can’t tell in the Hall of Fame game because that on one week of Camp. So Can Owens-Evans-Edwards work together good idk lets find out.
GO BUFFALO
Yes, I think we’ll all be tracking that. That would fall under the “big story” heading.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 22, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea that is true but do you think Edwards can deal with two Wr’s that want the ball alot?
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Not only do I think he can deal, but I think perhaps dozens of quarterbacks around the league will be jealous of Trent’s “predicament.”
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 22, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Steve Johnson
is the one player I’d surely add to this list Brian. I honestly think he’s gonna leap-frog James Hardy & NOT simply because of his knee injury either. I realize he won’t be getting the time that Johnson will be in camp, and that’s gonna affect his time on the field during the reeguar season, but I still think – again, at this point, that Steve would beat him out. At least from what I’ve seen from the two already. T.O. isn’t the mentoring type, but if Hardy can study his form and actually pick up a few things from him it would all be good. Hardy needs to learn how to position his body, be MUCH more aggressive and use his size as a GREAT advantage, and I’ve yet to see anything remotley close to using that form.
On the other hand, from what I’ve seen from Johnson so far, I think he has ‘it’ and can excell at this level.
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