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Buffalo Bills pre-training camp roster projection

With just three days separating Buffalo Bills fans from the long-anticipated arrival of training camp, it's time to play a little game that I have sucked at for quite some time: predicting the final roster.

Yes, I am aware that the Bills have yet to actually conduct a training camp practice. I'm also aware that, once those practices actually do happen, plenty is likely to change. This isn't an attempt at clairvoyance - did I mention that I suck at this game? - but rather to bring up some talking points, give us a reference for when the roster is formed, and far more importantly, to get your predictions as well.

There's a lot we'll get to talk about in the next few days - (hopefully) six rookie signings, the start of camp, and all of that jazz. For now, let's throw on our thinking caps and take a far-too-early stab at ironing out Buffalo's final roster. You'll find my early projection after the jump, as well as my last five players on the roster and the last five players I cut.

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Week 1 roster exemptions
I've got to get this out of the way first: there are two players that will ultimately be on the 53-man roster but aren't likely to start there. This is almost a virtual certainty for RB Marshawn Lynch, who is suspended for the first three games of the season. He'll start the year on the Reserve/Suspended list. WR James Hardy, who is still recovering from an ACL injury and did not participate in spring mini-camps, may not be healthy enough to practice at full-go right away this weekend, either. If he needs any additional recovery time, he'll likely be put on the PUP list.  During camp, he can be removed from this last and added to the active roster at any time; if he starts the season on PUP, he will not be eligible to practice with the team until Week 6.

With those two exceptions in mind, here is my (very likely inaccurate) roster prediction. Starters in CAPS:

Quarterbacks (3)
TRENT EDWARDS, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Gibran Hamdan

Running Backs (3)
FRED JACKSON, Dominic Rhodes, Bruce Hall

Fullbacks (1)
COREY McINTYRE

Wide Receivers (6)
TERRELL OWENS, LEE EVANS, Josh Reed, Steve Johnson, Roscoe Parrish, Justin Jenkins

Tight Ends (3)
DEREK SCHOUMAN, Derek Fine, Shawn Nelson

Offensive Tackles (3)
LANGSTON WALKER, BRAD BUTLER, Demetrius Bell

Offensive Guards (3)
ERIC WOOD, ANDY LEVITRE, Kirk Chambers

Centers (2)
GEOFF HANGARTNER, Seth McKinney

Defensive Ends (5)
AARON SCHOBEL, CHRIS KELSAY, Ryan Denney, Aaron Maybin, Chris Ellis

Defensive Tackles (4)
MARCUS STROUD, KYLE WILLIAMS, Spencer Johnson, John McCargo

Outside Linebackers (4)
KAWIKA MITCHELL, KEITH ELLISON, Nic Harris, Alvin Bowen

Inside Linebackers (2)
PAUL POSLUSZNY, John DiGiorgio

Cornerbacks (6)
TERRENCE McGEE, LEODIS McKELVIN, Drayton Florence, Ashton Youboty, Reggie Corner, Ellis Lankster

Safeties (5)
DONTE WHITNER, BRYAN SCOTT, Jairus Byrd, George Wilson, John Wendling

Specialists (3)
Rian Lindell, Brian Moorman, Ryan Neill

Reserve/Suspended (1)
Marshawn Lynch

PUP List
James Hardy

I'll also quickly note this: once Lynch and Hardy are available, the moves become pretty easy. Lynch replaces Bruce Hall on the active roster (Hall would likely end up on the practice squad for a second straight season). Hardy replaces Jenkins.

Last five on the roster
Pretty self-explanatory.

FB Corey McIntyre. He's not going to make this squad on much more than special teams merit. It's tough putting him here even though he's solid on coverage units because of the changes made to special teams rules this year. The "wedge buster" will quickly become less important, and that is McIntyre's specialty. Still, it's always nice to have at least one player that's comfortable as a lead blocker, and McIntyre can still be useful there as well as for Bobby April.

WR Justin Jenkins. He'll only make this team if Hardy isn't placed on the PUP list, and he certainly won't see much (OK, any) time on offense. He's not likely to last the entire year in either case.

S John Wendling. It's pretty clear that if he makes the team, it will be solely based on his incredible versatility insofar as special teams play goes. It might not be enough, particularly if Ko Simpson has a good pre-season.

CB Ellis Lankster. Even as impressive as he was in mini-camps, Lankster was tough to put here. I did it for two reasons: his physical style of play and his aggressiveness, as well as the fact that the Bills have shown a propensity to protect project players by keeping them on the active roster, even if they never intend to use them (see: Bell, Demetrius). Lankster can play special teams too, which obviously helps his cause.

DE Chris Ellis. The Bills have a pretty significant investment in Ellis. They'd love to see a strong pre-season out of him, but any sort of improvement should land him a roster spot. Unless he shows real promise, he'll be one of those players that steals a roster spot from someone who is perhaps more deserving.

Last five to be cut
Again, pretty self-explanatory.

S Ko Simpson. Once Jairus Byrd was drafted, it became pretty clear that one safety was going - and after a tumultuous January which included an arrest, Simpson was, and remains, the popular choice to get the boot. He has an uphill climb to make this roster, but don't be so quick to rule him out. Simpson is talented, and who knows what a new season could mean for him? He's got a more-than-legitimate shot to beat out one of the other safeties for a roster spot. Simpson's special teams abilities are underestimated, too.

LS Garrison Sanborn. Along with Lankster, Sanborn is everyone's favorite sleeper right now. All he has to do is beat out Ryan Neill for the long-snapping job and he's got himself a roster spot. I still give the edge to Neill.

DE Copeland Bryan. You've got to feel for this guy. He's worked his tail off the last couple of seasons and finally saw some field time, where he acquitted himself better than most probably expected. But there is a serious logjam at end, and Bryan is a likely roster casualty because of it.

LB Marcus Buggs. I really wanted to keep a seventh linebacker, and my choice would have been Buggs, a tough, feisty player that would do well under April. In the end, there were just too many players (as in the final five above) that knocked him out. If he doesn't make the roster, he's a virtual certainty to end up back on the practice squad - the Bills really like him.

TE Jonathan Stupar. This name might surprise you; it surprised me too. He's here because of McIntyre; I'm really not sure what types of players April will prefer on his coverage units after the rules changes. If the Bills don't keep a fullback, a fourth tight end seems like a certainty. Right now, I give Stupar the edge over UDFA TE Travis McCall (though, at 6'2" and 276 pounds, McCall could theoretically play fullback).

Projected Practice Squad (8)
RB Justise Hairston (to be replaced by Hall)
TE Jonathan Stupar
OT Chris Denman
OG Brandon Rodd
DT Ventrell Jenkins
LB Marcus Buggs
LB Ashlee Palmer
CB Cary Harris

We'll end this little exercise with a projected depth chart. (* denotes a rookie.) Then you're off in the comments section!

Pos. Starter Backup Reserve Reserve
WR 83 - L. Evans 82 - J. Reed 84 - J. Hardy 17 - J. Jenkins
LT 68 - L. Walker 77 - D. Bell
LG 67 - A. Levitre* 73 - K. Chambers
C 63 - G. Hangartner 66 - S. McKinney
RG 70 - E. Wood*
RT 60 - B. Butler
TE 80 - D. Schouman 86 - D. Fine 89 - S. Nelson*
WR 81 - T. Owens 13 - S. Johnson 11 - R. Parrish
QB 5 - T. Edwards 14 - R. Fitzpatrick 10 - G. Hamdan
RB 23 - M. Lynch 22 - F. Jackson 33 - D. Rhodes 42 - B. Hall
FB 38 - C. McIntyre
LE 90 - C. Kelsay 58 - A. Maybin* 93 - C. Ellis
DT 95 - K. Williams 97 - J. McCargo
DT 99 - M. Stroud 91 - S. Johnson
RE 94 - A. Schobel 92 - R. Denney
SLB 56 - K. Ellison 49 - N. Harris*
MLB 51 - P. Posluszny 52 - J. DiGiorgio
WLB 55 - K. Mitchell 50 - A. Bowen
LCB 28 - L. McKelvin 29 - D. Florence 46 - E. Lankster*
SS 43 - B. Scott 37 - G. Wilson 21 - J. Wendling
FS 20 - D. Whitner 31 - J. Byrd*
RCB 24 - T. McGee 26 - A. Youboty 27 - R. Corner
K 9 - R. Lindell
P 8 - B. Moorman
LS 72 - R. Neill

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Nice job but i think that Derek Fine is going to get that Tight End Spot because great set of hand and can block I think he can be the next Pete Metzelaars

GO BUFFALO

by kooldude on Jul 22, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Is Hardy really going to start the regular season on PUP? I wouldn’t mind it, but I wasn’t expecting Hardy to miss that much practice time. Can Hardy practice and play in preseason games, but then be placed on PUP in early September?

I was going to say that Buffalo wouldn’t keep 11 defensive backs, but with Wendling’s size, he’d basically just fill that 7th LB/special teams role. If Ko Simpson does make the team in place of Wendling, then I can’t imagine Buffalo keeping 6 CBs too. For now, Lankster is still safe on the PS.

Good list Brian, I can’t really disagree with anything. Do you think there’s any chance that Buffalo goes into the season with just two RBs on the 53? That could open a spot for that 7th LB or a healthier Hardy.

by kaisertown on Jul 22, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Can Hardy practice and play in preseason games, but then be placed on PUP in early September?

No. If you start training camp off of PUP, you can’t be put on it. Buffalo would have to PUP Hardy on Saturday morning.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 22, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think there’s any chance that Buffalo goes into the season with just two RBs on the 53? That could open a spot for that 7th LB or a healthier Hardy.

It could, but I think the Bills got sick of having only two useful backs last season. If Jackson or Rhodes is dinged in those first three games, they’re screwed – they’d have to go one-back, with Josh Reed as the emergency back. I think they’ll sacrifice a spot to keep Hall (or Omon or Hairston, whichever) early in the season.

And I’d take “a healthier Hardy” out of that, because if he’s healthy, he’ll replace Jenkins outright.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 22, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a safe bet

no chances taken like FIne as the TE or HArris as the starting OLB….probably smart, but I would like to see a shake up if that doesn;t pan out. But Schouman sounds as if he has made strides physically per Chris Brown’s blog at bb.com, so we’ll have to see.

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by killascript on Jul 22, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

good write up

a few things I would like to see though:

I really don’t think the Bills actually have to protect a guy like Lankster and I see no reason for him to be on the roster. Our depth is spectacular ahead of him and in case of an injury I’d rather have a guy like Byrd step onto the field as a dime back than Lankster. We have three strong safeties that can all be moved around the secondary and I think that makes Lankster expendable. Along the same lines I don’t think Wendling or Wilson should make the roster as 5 safeties is to much.

Either way, I do think what I write about because I would rather have Copeland Bryan on the roster. Not only did he acquit himself as Brian pointed out but there are too many question marks everywhere else at defensive line not to have him in there. Aaron Schobel has injury concers and both Aaron Maybin and Chris Ellis run the risk of doing nothing this season. We need Bryan and I think the Bills will make sure hes on the roster.

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree on Bryan – he’s looked good when in there. I can think of a few players i’d rather have off the team than him at this point ( Wilson, Jenkins, Hall).

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by J2 on Jul 22, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

specifically with a guy like Jenkins, isn’t the reason we would keep 3 TEs is that Shawn Nelson can line up at receiver too so its like filling two positions with one guy? A move like that is almost designed to keep guys like Bryan on the team. Forget Jenkins.

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn’t the reason we would keep 3 TEs is that Shawn Nelson can line up at receiver too so its like filling two positions with one guy

Pretty sure

Forget Jenkins

agreed

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by J2 on Jul 22, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

three strong safeties

this is meant to mean “strong” as in “good” not the position.

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only did he acquit himself as Brian pointed out

What exactly did he do to acquit himself? He gave us what, a QB pressure or two all season? Just because he was forced into action doesn’t mean he did anything to prove he belongs on the roster again….

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by Kurupt on Jul 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Copeland had a sack for us! God knows we need them. He had a sack and I want to say my memory has stored up at least a three or four QB pressures and a hit or two. Keep him on, we are most vulnerable at DE.

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do you torture us?
Travis McCall (though, at 6’2" and 276 pounds, McCall could theoretically play fullback)

As much as I would love to have a someone like McCall blowing LBs out of the hole, what are the chances of the Bills upgrading McIntyre.

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by Joe P. on Jul 22, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

probably none

since they haven’t even attempted to do so yet

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by Kurupt on Jul 22, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will also add

that I don’t like Drayton Florence ahead of Ashton Youboty on the depth chart. Youboty was coming into his own last year and I say let him get on the field. We need big hitters on our undersized defense.

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Ohio State CB’s – can’t argue with that

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by J2 on Jul 22, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well they signed Florence to a contract that makes him the third CB...

so don’t be surprised if he is ahead of Youboty.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 22, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think it’s a true competition with the better player in practice and preseason getting the playing time come September.

by kaisertown on Jul 22, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait im confused

are you agreeing or disagreeing with MRW? I would hope its based on performance not contract size when determining the role you play on the team, right?

And MRW, do you recall how big Florence’s contract was? 3 mil a year right?

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it was 3M.

Now I’m not saying he will be the third CB. I just think he was brought in to be the third CB. They will play whoever is better.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 22, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Florence has thrived in that role in the past after all.....

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither. Just saying that nobody should expect a specific player to win that role or be surprised if Florence or Youboty end up as the 3rd or 5th CB.

by kaisertown on Jul 22, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

5th?

have faith in Corner do you?

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think kaiser is doing his best to leave opinion out of this outside of the fact that no one should be surprised at what order Corner/Youboty/Florence end up in, because they’re all capable, and it’s so closely contested.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 22, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess after the Will James cut, we should be ready for anything at corner with this coaching staff.

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he wasn't good enough

why should we have to expect anything? He got outplayed last preseason and lost his spot as a result.

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by Kurupt on Jul 22, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, not sure why all the love for Will James. His preseason last year, from what I recall, was awful.

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by thefourwinds on Jul 22, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt about it!

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by Kurupt on Jul 23, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. Not much faith in Corner. But it’s a competition and anybody can win. If injuries limit Youboty, then he could be in trouble. Florence is a newcomer and has plenty to prove as well.

by kaisertown on Jul 22, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I thought I was the only one who wasn’t overly impressed with Corner. Thanks for the company, as always.

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by Kurupt on Jul 23, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

florence is underrated

although i agree ashton will eventually replace drayton as the nickel, OBD brought in drayton to be the starting nickel. he’s had a season where he was well worth it, and a season where he was a bit of a goat. but in all fairness that entire jacksonville defence was subpar, so the ball has to go somewhere right? drayton will start as nickel, do a decent job, get hurt and ashton will fill in splendidly :) we will win, the sooner you all accept it the more enjoyable this forum will be ( if possible:) good write up brian can’t see many if any errors /omissions at all) maybe jenkins but time will tell

Later Losman!

by rockybillboa on Jul 22, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree on Youboty

He was all over the field making plays before he got injured. Looked like he would give Leo a run for the starters job in the long term.

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by shrubz on Jul 22, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

if he could stay healthy

the future would be exciting with leo and youboty at CB. Isn’t Youboty, like Whitner, really young for his experience in the league too? Poor guy, I can’t remember the last time I saw a player struggle this mightily to get his career going because of injury.

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

long term?

he will replace mcgee in the long term :)

Later Losman!

by rockybillboa on Jul 22, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

- Hmm, I believe James Hardy will be ready to play for the season opener, so I don’t expect him to be placed on PUP, which of course means that Justin Jenkins gets the sack.

- I hope they don’t keep McIntyre, but April’s influence as special teams coordinator is inevitable and McIntyre is a sufficient ST-player, which will help him a great deal.

- I never actually thought about having a guy like Bruce Hall on the roster, but looking at it from above, it makes sense. During the three games, where Marshawn is out, we need some type of insurance in case Fred or Dominic goes down, and Hall/Omon/Hairston could provide that insurance.

- I wouldn’t rule a player like Pat Thomas out, because he’s also a very good special teamer and fits perfectly in our defensive scheme with sideline-to-sideline LB’s. I know he didn’t exactly make a bunch of headlines for his play last year with the Chiefs, but I do believe he’s a very good backup with important starting experience.
Of course, if we were to keep him on our roster, it would also mean that we were to keep seven LB’s on the roster, and that’s one too many for my taste (because then we likely wouldn’t be able to keep six CB’s on our roster).

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jul 22, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

My Predictions

If Hardy goes on PUP list Bills keep only 5 WRs on the active roster and Jenkins roster spot is replaced by P. THomas. It would not surprise me to see Ko Simpson make the team over either Wilson, Lankster, Wendling. There will be at least 1 season ending injury in training camp/pre-season which will open up a spot.

Harris starts Week 1 at OLB.

by Berg79 on Jul 22, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

There will be at least 1 season ending injury in training camp/pre-season which will open up a spot.

Nooooooooooooooooooo, stoooooooooooooopppppppppppppp

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 22, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes we have just been jinxed!

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Boogeyman lives under my bed. I just know it! :)

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by jj24 on Jul 22, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine if Trent Edwards went the way of Trent Green and missed the whole year because of an injury in preseason. Boy, wouldn’t that suck. :)

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by jj24 on Jul 22, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

AHHHHH

The boogeyman does live under your bed! I can feel the football gods turning their backs on us with each comment!!

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha…we’ll send in Steven Segal to straighten out the foorball gods the way he’s doing to that panda!

Sidenote: There’s millions of superstitious players and fans all over sports. Don’t they just cancel each other out?

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by jj24 on Jul 22, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steven Seagal vs Football Gods, I’ll take Segal everytime!

There’s millions of superstitious players and fans all over sports. Don’t they just cancel each other out?

Wow, you just blew my mind, man!

I will admit this here, I threw out a Bills hat that I loved a month ago, it was old, fit perfectly (dirty as hell from all the times I got drunk wearing it) and I wore it as my lucky hat for the last 5 years. Which is exactly why I threw it out. I bought a new lucky hat hoping to change things up. I mean, technically, my last hat, no matter how much I like it, was a “mediocre” hat as opposed to a “lucky” one. Ok, there I admit it, I wear lucky hats.

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have the phone number for Lucky Hats Anonymous is you’re looking for some help. ;)

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by jj24 on Jul 22, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA

I might be in dire need of that help! You’d think I’d have given up on lucky hats after the music city miracle…..

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, but don’t forget we root for the Bills who are cursed.

by Berg79 on Jul 22, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have Schouman ahead of Fine… interesting.

I thought we had been hearing that Hardy was ahead of schedule and would be ready by week 1. Did something change?

No surprise in the linebacking corps with Thomas getting cut.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 22, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

i think its because of my indoctrination on this site

but I really like Fine this year. I hope he starts over Schouman, I cant believe Edwards through his weight behind the Shoe-Man.

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Fine, too. Someone made the statement that he could be the next Pete Metzelaars. I think that’s a pretty fair comparison based on skill sets. I hope that ends up being the case.

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by jj24 on Jul 22, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone care to guess who the first three cuts are? I’ve got the Bills at 83 players on the roster right now, and unless I’m much mistaken, they need to be down to 80 by the first practice…

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 22, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Hawthorne, Philip, and Lindquist.

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by jj24 on Jul 22, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Phillip is competing for the backup C job according to Chris Brown!!!!

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by Kurupt on Jul 22, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not anymore. :)

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by jj24 on Jul 22, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great

One of the best goaltenders in the league and the Bills are going to cut…..oh, wait……

by bluecollarbuffalo on Jul 22, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does that count Hardy and Digi? Doesn’t PUP open up a spot, even on the 80 man? And since Buffalo probably won’t have everyone signed by the time camp opens, they probably won’t have to cut anybody until they sign all their draft picks. I’ll take a random guess and say they cut Cory Mace when Maybin signs, Jonathon Scott when Digi starts practicing and Danny Urrego if Hardy comes back before they trim the roster to 75.

by kaisertown on Jul 22, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You know, I’m a little ashamed to admit it, but I completely forgot that DiGiorgio was rehabbing, too. In fact, he’s probably more likely to land on PUP than Hardy. I should not have forgotten that…

Corey Mace is not a member of the 83-man roster as it stands right now.

You’re right in that unsigned rookies and PUP players don’t count against the 80. If both Hardy and DiGiorgio start camp there, they’ll only have to cut one player – and that’s if every rookie is signed Saturday morning.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 22, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think I might rather keep Ko Simpson over Wilson. Both are rather atrocious on D, but Ko is less atrocious. I think they’re equals on ST’s. Wilson probably as the advantage because of his role on the punt team though, but I think Simpson is the better all-around player (though that isn’t saying much).

I think I’d keep a 7th LB over Jenkins. Steve Johnson can perform any role that Jenkins might have on ST’s, but the 7th LB would be good insurance, especially if it’s Pat Thomas. With two guys having never played an NFL down (Harris, Bowen) and a guy coming off a major knee injury (DiGi), I think it might be more important having an experienced backup LB. Thomas’ ST ability cancels out the need for Jenkins anyhow.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree and wrote something similiar a few comments above… but I believe Wilson is better on STs. Ko makes the team if he demonstrates he is better the Byrd and would take the FS spot if Whitner got hurt. If Byrd would step in then Wilson makes the team and the 5th safety spot is between Ko and Wedling.

by Berg79 on Jul 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I’d keep a 7th LB over Jenkins

That’s a fair thought. With the new changes on kickoff returns, the coaches may be looking to keep an extra linebacker to play special teams only. Don’t be surprised if that guy is Jon Corto. I read that article by Allen Wilson where Bobby April was illustrating two examples where Corto made McKelvin and Parrish returns for touchdowns happen by his hustle.

I know Corto doesn’t offer us a lot on defense, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the team. It’s not like Jenkins would offer us a lot offense. We have Youboty, Corner, and maybe another guy like Lankster who can replace Jenkins on special teams.

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by jj24 on Jul 23, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kurupt – we aren’t cutting George Wilson, because he’s the special teams captain and we all know how much DJ and April value ST. In addition, Wilson is a capable playmaker, at least compared to the other backup safeties we have on our roster, and is a stable guy you can count on.

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jul 22, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Ko Simpson couldn't be ST captain?

come on man….

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

hes worth millions!!!!!!!!!!!

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by poz on Jul 22, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not unless he can grow a comparable neck beard.

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by thatguy34 on Jul 22, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude, i kept him on my madden team simply because of his beard. that thing is epic!

by the_prophet on Jul 22, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

JP Losman was a captain at one time. Chris Kelsay is a current captain. Who really cares if he’s a captain if there are better players available for the team? (I’m not saying Ko is better, just has different value)

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 23, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t Coy Wire the last special teams captain? He got cut.

by kaisertown on Jul 23, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you are correct

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 23, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

and how is George Wilson a capable playmaker? He had two gift touchdowns in 2007, absolute gifts. What else has he done?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 23, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

The one against the Cowboys fell in his lap...

and he took it to the house.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 23, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Dolphins one was even easier!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 23, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What else has Ko Simpson done – NOTHING. The one thing that seperates them is that Wilson is a better and more experienced Special Teamer, which means that he should stay on the roster, if we both agree that Wilson and Simpson are, for the most part, atrocious, when they’re on defense…

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jul 23, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

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