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Clarification on Buffalo's "HORRIBLE" offensive line

You may recall a post from this morning in which we highlighted Daniel Jeremiah, a former scout with the Cleveland Browns and Baltimore Ravens, and his opinion on the current state of the Buffalo Bills' offensive line.  If you haven't seen it or have short-term memory loss, click the link or scroll down to read that story.

Long-time Rumblings reader Vicious V took the initiative to follow up with Jeremiah via Twitter.  A clarification on Jeremiah's opinions on Buffalo's line - which he deemed "HORRIBLE" in passing on Wednesday - is after the jump.

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Here's the question as posed by Vicious V to Jeremiah via Twitter:

I'm a Bills fan and in all seriousness I was wondering why you think Buffalos O-Line depth is so putrid. Can you explain?

Jeremiah's first response clarified his initial remarks, while adding a nice little nightmare scenario...

I actually think both young OG's will be good in time but their OT's are really poor... Trent Edwards will get hurt in 09

... and then added a little icing on the cake with his final tweet.

I just talked to a pro personnel director who said Buf OT's are both backup types

The young guards Jeremiah references in his first response are, of course, rookies Eric Wood and Andy Levitre, the projected starters at right and left guard, respectively.  That's nice to hear.  We still think it's weird that Geoff Hangartner is left out of the discussion (not just by Jeremiah, but everywhere else, too), but we'll take a little optimism when we can.

As for the opinion on tackles Langston Walker and Brad Butler... well, it's pretty much exactly what you'd expect.  ESPN's Matt Williamson has been adamantly knocking Buffalo's decision to trade Jason Peters since it happened; Jeremiah's opinion, fortified by the unnamed personnel director, essentially holds with common skepticism.

We don't really have much to add.  As mentioned this morning, we think the line is a right sight better looking right now than it was last season, and we'll take a wait-and-see approach before condemning or condoning.  We also mentioned, and maintain, that it's hard to get fired up about the opinions stated by Jeremiah and others because it's not at all surprising that someone would come to that conclusion.

Thanks to Vicious V for going out and getting clarification on this.  He's a true Rumbler through and through, and we appreciate his initiative.

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taking a knock on us already. hopefully walker and butler prove him and everyone else wrong.

by chaucer on Jul 23, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

this is exactly why we should sign Levi Jones. We need insurance! Do I think we’ll be fine? I don’t know, sure, I guess. But we need a plan in case Walker or Butler are not up to the challenge, which is a real real scenario!

Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jul 23, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m willing to wait until the preseason to do that, you know, when Jones gets so desperate to play that he’s willing to take a huge pay cut. Yeah, then I’d sign him.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 23, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didn’t know he was still available.

by chaucer on Jul 25, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, So Buffalo is preceived as starting backups at the tackle position.

So this must mean that we will be facing alot of 7 and 8 man fronts. We are starting back ups so just pressure the outside and put pressure on Edwards. Which means we will be checking off to the backs and TE’s alot. Sound familiar!!!! The Backs anyway. How much time would Evans, Owens and Reed need to get open with one on one coverage. Lets figure seven in the box leaving four to cover the three wr’s. The long pass will be doubled leaving one on one with the other two. Give Trent three seconds in the pocket and he will eat you alive. Couple that with the no huddle and you won’t know what hit you after about two quarters. These people could be 100% correct in their analysis but we have been there and done that in the past. It is getting old, but you cannot convince me that we are worse off than last year. For two years I have asked myself what did Peters do to make the pro bowl. We were 7-9 in those years too. Ruben Brown was another one. I have nothing but respect for those two as players but it is more about team than personal accolades and they didn’t deliver us. This years OL will have to rely on everyone contributing to be successful and I believe it is there. We are better off than last year with this OL.

by VanScottM on Jul 23, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d actually think the opposite. If teams think that Buffalo has a weak OL, then they will probably try and just rush 4 early in games and see if they can get pressure without blitzing. That’s what teams did last year.

by kaisertown on Jul 23, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

and if they succeed we are in big trouble in the passing game. How can anyone on this blog get defensive about someone doubting our offensive line?

I am optimistic about this offense, probably more than most but if you don’t harbor doubts you are crazy. We are looking at two rookies and two guys out of position (yea yea I know Butler used to play tackle but hes an NFL guard at this point) and a former back up. I wholeheartedly think we have a solid o-line group together but it doesn’t change the fact our o-line is what it is = two guys out of position, one backup and two rookies. Doubts are to be expected.

Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jul 23, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your right

I believe this will play into our strength though. I am not an OL guru, I just feel that our strength this year will be more run blocking than pass protecting. I am not a fan of the conventional style but I do believe when we need a yard we should be able to get it. This approach should draw attention and allow us to throw behind the coverage in most cases. You know this already. Time will tell soon enough I say let the think what they will. We will field five guys looking to make name for themselves as a unit not individuals. Thats what excites me.

by VanScottM on Jul 24, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Giants Oline went through a similiar stage...

they got rid of some bigger name guys and went with a punishing blue-collar group…they are the template I want to follow…

by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 24, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is good mojo.

I remember the years in the late 90s when the Bills would get picked at 4th in the division every year by all the magazines and the sportswriters. Yet we made the playoffs in 95, 96, 98, and 99. Let those hacks talk away. Statistics prove we do better when they count us out.

by Dyl on Jul 23, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure what to say here, except that I think he is a little harsh, but at this point I wouldn’t say our line is any better than average. Again, I think people are merely hung up on the fact we lost Peters, and perhaps Dockery, than who the players we actually have are.

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 23, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Vicious V, why don’t you post here then?!?! Stop lurking and make your presence felt! We’d love to have you.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 23, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah man. You lurkers are creepier than an Erin Andrews peep-hole videographer.

If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...

by thatguy34 on Jul 24, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if I’d go THAT far….

Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jul 24, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 24, 2009 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

You took the wow right out of my mouth…

At least I have another new insult, all thanks to rumblings…

I love me some DB's...I might just be Dick Jauron's long lost twin!

by DBLuv on Jul 24, 2009 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Too soon?

If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...

by thatguy34 on Jul 24, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL, he was going to post this last night – he just created the account yesterday for that purpose – but the lucky [noun] had a tee time. :)

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"Our style is simple but not that easy. Roll up your sleeves and play good, solid football." -- Marv Levy

by Brian Galliford on Jul 24, 2009 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice...

I have a tee time in about an hour. :-)

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Jul 24, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

If

Mr. Jeramiah was such an accredited scout then why would he need to talk to a personnel director (another scout) to reinforce his opinion? The guy sounds like first class chode, it was speculated that he was fired because he gave team intel to ESPN.

I don’t know why someone would call Langston Walker a back-up type considering he’s started pretty much his entire career. As for Butler, he seems like a Jon Runyan clone to me. Whatever, I don’t know why I let it bother me when people who probably couldn’t find Buffalo on a map comment about the Bills.

"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."

by ForeignArrow on Jul 24, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

FA, I am with you...

Look, I have some doubts, mostly about Levitre, but doubts they are. I listen to people talk about the Bills (and others teams) on EPSN, Fox Sports, and even NFLN that don’t know what they are talking about. Their arguments are usually the same thing that the guy before them said. They hardly ever differ, no one knows enough about the teams that they are reporting on (except the reporters from those cities that are usually tougher on the staff and players) to make an argument that may be contrary to popular opinion. I just hear things on TV or the radio sometimes that make me cringe, not because I disagree so much, but because they miss the more important aspects of the argument and gloss over to the big “names”. I remember when everyone said that when we got rid of T. Spikes and L. Fletcher that we would be the worst defense in the league because we didn’t have any good LBs. They didn’t understand our scheme, or the importance (or lack thereof to be precise) of the LB corps.

by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 24, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

your ol is good enrough to win

i think bufflio is a sleeper team this year t edwards is smart can get the ball to peopie deep rb core very deep wr now u ol is not the best but its better than peopie think e wood was very good in collage l waiker is good been a starter for years i like b bulter the media dont care about buff because they hate the cold weather

by j-man on Jul 24, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

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