2009 Bills Training Camp: Day Four Open Thread
The Buffalo Bills have three full days of practices under their belt. They've gone through two-a-days, strapped on the pads, and gotten a little better each day. So far, so good. They've also attended meetings and walk-throughs. Their nose is to the grind stone. Tonight is their first "prime time" performance of the year, as the team will take the field at St. John Fisher College at 7:10 PM for the first night practice of the season.
Buffalo Rumblings editor MattRichWarren is once again at Growney Stadium covering the goings-on at camp live. He'll be tweeting updates, which we'll be moving here (with a little more fluff - we have more room than Twitter, after all). This is your open thread to follow along with tonight's action.
After tonight, the Bills are right back out on the field tomorrow for an early afternoon workout.
7:15 PM: Matt's in good company tonight - Peter King, Ross Tucker, and Scott Pitoniak are all on hand to take in tonight's practice.
DT Marcus Stroud has his pads on tonight. He is practicing. Meanwhile, Matt reports that TE Shawn Nelson's ankle is taped; he'll likely be sidelined. DT John McCargo is not practicing either.
Bobby April gets the first drill of the night with the kick return unit. Not unexpectedly, Leodis McKelvin and Fred Jackson are lining up to return kicks, with Terrence McGee and Dominic Rhodes rotating in. First-unit blockers include Ryan Neill, Keith Ellison, Paul Posluszny, Kawika Mitchell, Justin Jenkins, Derek Schouman, Spencer Johnson and Demetrius Bell.
7:23 PM: For a second consecutive day, the Buffalo Bills are practicing a Wildcat look with Roscoe Parrish running the show. Matt reports that Parrish has run an option play; he's lining up in the backfield with both Marshawn Lynch and Fred Jackson. What's the saying? Three times is a trend? This is a very interesting wrinkle. It's not just Parrish getting reps, however; Fred Jackson has taken snaps between Lynch and Dominic Rhodes. Who thought they'd find a way to get all three of their running backs on the field at the same time?
7:42 PM: Couple of quick updates on Buffalo's young offensive linemen: Andy Levitre "looks strong," as does Bell. Second straight pads practice means a second straight night of hitting. Matt will be keeping a close eye on the lines tonight. Bummer that McCargo isn't participating.
7:49 PM: We interrupt this open thread to report that, per Jason La Canfora of NFL.com, the Bills and OG Eric Wood have agreed to a five-year deal. La Canfora also reports that a deal is close to being completed for FS Jairus Byrd. Back to practice... Trent Edwards is working on play-action packages.
8:12 PM: Trent Edwards' hot hand continues. Matt reports that the ascending QB-WR duo of Edwards and Owens has hooked up for yet another big play, burning Ashton Youboty for 40 yards. Keep it up, 5...
Meanwhile, Matt says that the hitting is solid tonight. As he puts it, "the pads are popping, boys and girls." Langston Walker is looking solid at left tackle. Brad Butler? "Butler looking good... against Kelsay." (Good point.) Kirk Chambers is struggling with Kyle Williams - not altogether unsurprising, but get ready soon anyways, Andy Levitre.
8:20 PM: In what will be perhaps his most shocking and earth-shattering revelation of the night, Matt reports that Ryan Fitzpatrick has thrown an interception - a tipped pass collected by Keith Ellison. Backup quarterbacks are still looking bad.
8:41 PM: On the backup quarterback front, Gibran Hamdan has tossed a long score to Justin Jenkins - so at least there's a little life from Trent Edwards' understudies. The screen pass has joined play-action as an emphasis tonight. Matt hasn't seen a FB on the field at all in offensive sets - even though there have been lead blockers in the backfield. Tight ends are lining up there.
8:56 PM: I got word to Matt that Wood had signed, so while he was watching the O-Line, he pretty much skipped right guard. Don't blame him. Talking tackles, he says Butler was very solid, marveling over his footwork. He said Langston Walker was good too, handling Schobel well, but also surrendering a sack to 94. (I'm going to choose to be happy that Schobel is playing well.) Levitre shared snaps with Chambers at left guard, and neither was particularly impressive. Currently seeking a Hangartner update...
9:02 PM: Well, at least Matt's an honest reporter. On the rest of the O-Line: he didn't notice Hangartner or McKinney much, which means that they didn't stand out, nor did they make any grievous errors. He was, however, impressed with Demetrius Bell.
9:08 PM: There's the horn. Practice is over. Recap coming.
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Is it too early for me to make a "How does Fitzpatrick look" joke?
LOL
I kid I kid……
I do appreciate Brian and jj24 for being good sports and puttting up with me :-)
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions
Is it too early for me to make a “How does Fitzpatrick look” joke?
That was a good one.
If you want we can talk about Hamdan. :)
I want to see movies of my dreams. - Built to Spill.
Well he is the sexiest Arabian Athlete Alive......
or something like that……..so yes we could talk about him.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not sure.....
but Im sure these guyswere in the top 5 somewhere.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely forgot that today’s practice was a nighter and have been freaking out most of the day due to lack of coverage.
I feel better now.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 28, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LMAO. Yeah, that’s a pretty crucial piece of information to have. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
First update of the night is up: Stroud practicing, McCargo/Nelson sitting, Peter King and Ross Tucker are there.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions
too bad its Ross Tucker.......
and not Ross the Intern………that guy kills me!
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
tuck is my new favorite NFLwriter/commentator….stands by his straight opinions
The Bills CAN win any game
I agree he's talented no doubt......
plus I always love hearing from current players moreso than talking heads……(unless that former player is Emmitt Smith or Michael Irvin)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
it helps that he likes the bills enough to actually look at their depth chart before just being all TO OMG DRAMA.
Either way you slice it, he calls it as he sees it, and is entertaining to boot. I’m a huge Sirius NFL radio fan, and over the past year Ross Tucker as become the go-to radio personality….filling in all over the place and many times being on air 7 days a week (it seems).
But, some of the best stuff is when he calls out some the other “talking heads” and it is very good.
The Bills CAN win any game
Another update: Parrish running the Wildcat for a second straight day.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
Question: When Parrish is back there can we call it the Wildkitten?
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He is lightning quick out of it.
I dare say it’s the second best thing he does besides punt returns.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 28, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Putting on his helmet correctly was his prior second best thing before, so I guess that’s not saying much!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Wow, K.
Seriously though I liked how he ran the option. They threw two quick hits to him split out and he did nothing with them. I hate that. He ran downhill in the wildcat – something he needs to do to be successful.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 28, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
could be for the defense right? Meaning that as it may be for the O to have another option it could be as much for the D to get a look at it for competition purposes. Ive notice the past few years different things implemented at camp that never see the field on Sundays….just saying
The Bills CAN win any game
probably a lil of both........good call here though.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, pretty much exactly how I was going to respond.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to eventually see some 3rd or 4th and short style running plays focused on. God knows we’ve had trouble with those in the past and they can really break a D’s back for big gains. The problem is risk of injury though. maybe they’ll wait on those until everybody’s nice and limber.
I just want teams to pay for Ding up and focusing too much on run or pass. This roster, more than any in the past, has the potential to baffle opposing D’s. I just want the Bills to conceal their plays better. That’s on Turk and Trent I guess.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 28, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah they weren’t going all out. The plays are being put in but not run as a goal line situation or anything.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 28, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
New post on the front page! Wood agrees to terms; Byrd is soon to follow.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions
YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 28, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You switched to Herbal Essescene didnt you?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Although I can't verify it from my own experience,
I am pretty sure Meg Ryan isn’t the first women to fake an orgasm :-)
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Cialis is your friend.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Signing draft picks gets me going….come September its winning games….but if we lose…I go limp
The Bills CAN win any game
Hey – I’m just reporting what Matt tells me. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
And I am calling it like it is.
The guy has looked off.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 28, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The videos on BB.com show him not even close to receivers. On a couple of INT’s, his passes are a good 5 yards from the receiver and on deep passes receivers are waiting for the pass to come down giving the defenders enough time to break it up. That’s just putrid.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Y’all are continuously refreshing this, right? Kind of defeats the purpose of auto-updating comments, I realize, but the updates are rolling through up top…
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions
not nearly as big a problem as how long it takes to load these dam ads......screwing up a perfectly good platform that SBN developed :-(
"I BET YOU IF WE PUT A 12 DOZEN GLAZE DONUTS AT THE OTHER END ON KICK RETURN JAIME DUKES WILL BE OUR NUM # 1 RETURNER …… HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES DUKE APPLE PIE PUNKEN EATER DWINKE SMASHER DING DONG FLABER" - abayarde
We are constantly working on that…
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as you're on the subject...
isn’t it sad that the Jets have to pawn their tickets on our website
I hate Rex’s stupid fat ugly dumb face on those ads.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 28, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
His jowels make me want to vomit.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 28, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
you dont say?
LOL
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Only in reference to our beautiful Buffalo and her sports teams. All others can suck eggs. Especially the Jets, living in NYC.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 28, 2009 11:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I live in North Carolina and still I have to know, where did you get the “y’all” from? I’ve been fixin’ to ask you that question for a while. :)
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Honestly, I have no idea. I’ve said it for years. Haven’t lived anywhere but PA and NY. No clue where I picked it up.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The key is understanding that it can’t replace “you”, “he” or “she.”
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Right.
There’s very rigid guidelines one should adhere to. You don’t just throw a word like that out there. :)
I want to see movies of my dreams. - Built to Spill.
It sure can if you’re from Houston. Y’all is the singular form. “All y’all” is plural!
"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
"In my heart, I know I'm funny." Lt Steven Hauk, Good Morning Vietnam - 1987
by thefourwinds on Jul 28, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
No clue where I picked it up.
http://www.bluegrasslyrics.com/flatt_song.cfm-recordID=s56810.htm
or
http://asmallvictory.net/archives/008758.html
"I BET YOU IF WE PUT A 12 DOZEN GLAZE DONUTS AT THE OTHER END ON KICK RETURN JAIME DUKES WILL BE OUR NUM # 1 RETURNER …… HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES DUKE APPLE PIE PUNKEN EATER DWINKE SMASHER DING DONG FLABER" - abayarde
jj24, one will hear “y’all” all over the country.
“Fixin’,” however, is only heard in the south!
"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
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by thefourwinds on Jul 28, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s look at the bright side of Fitzy’s INT… ELLISON MADE A PLAY!!!
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 28, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
off a tipped pass.........
(yes, yes……Im gonna be Fitzpatricks apologist apparently.)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Each rumbler could pick a player and become an apologist for them. We can get it out of the way now. We could also trade players if we get tired of making excuses for them! This is a great idea!
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 28, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
K will NEVER EVER make an apology for Kelsay.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 28, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I never knew Kelsay was in love with K.
Weird.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 28, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Kelsay is sorry he is so bad
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Well he did sit out and pout for quite awhile for getting beat by Jonathan Scott. He’s had some time to think about what he’s done and be sorry.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 28, 2009 9:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
can we include coaches?????
I want Jauron!
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of course.
I should have specified. It encompasses the entirety of the Bills organization, past and present.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 28, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I get T.O.!!!!!!!!
Let me warm up.
“Diarrhea of the mouth is a medical condition Terrell was born with……”
I want to see movies of my dreams. - Built to Spill.
How about, Jauron
hasn’t shown any emotion since he saw “Anger Management”. He doesn’t feel pretty and Jack Nickelson scares the hell out of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9sE55QzXlo&feature=related
"I BET YOU IF WE PUT A 12 DOZEN GLAZE DONUTS AT THE OTHER END ON KICK RETURN JAIME DUKES WILL BE OUR NUM # 1 RETURNER …… HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES DUKE APPLE PIE PUNKEN EATER DWINKE SMASHER DING DONG FLABER" - abayarde
Just put one up. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
it puts the lotion on the skin.................
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!!! Are the lambs still crying norcali????
"I BET YOU IF WE PUT A 12 DOZEN GLAZE DONUTS AT THE OTHER END ON KICK RETURN JAIME DUKES WILL BE OUR NUM # 1 RETURNER …… HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES DUKE APPLE PIE PUNKEN EATER DWINKE SMASHER DING DONG FLABER" - abayarde
Meanwhile, Matt says that the hitting is solid tonight. As he puts it, “the pads are popping, boys and girls.”
Who’s Matt kidding? Rumblings is a total sausagefest. :)
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Ha.
I know two women who read it.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 28, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't count if they used to be guys :-)
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Haha!
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by thefourwinds on Jul 28, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude...
my mom reads my posts. :-)
and I have another friend who reads every post on here. She posts comments occasionally.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 28, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry.....I was just joking. I didn't mean any disrespect to your mom or other female Rumblers.
"I BET YOU IF WE PUT A 12 DOZEN GLAZE DONUTS AT THE OTHER END ON KICK RETURN JAIME DUKES WILL BE OUR NUM # 1 RETURNER …… HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES DUKE APPLE PIE PUNKEN EATER DWINKE SMASHER DING DONG FLABER" - abayarde
None taken.
:-) We know you are joking 154% of the time.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 28, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the problem about training camp....
you can’t really tell whether the offense is struggling against a good defense or we just plain suck (LOL).
Mostly Ellis and Denney, I’d imagine… they are the second-team DEs almost exclusively with Maybin, Bryan sitting…
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
im pretty sure my 7 month old could block Denney........
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
he still got four sacks last year…enough to tie for the lead on the team. that means that other teams might have actually gameplanned against him!
yeah, come on meow.
Seriously, I would take Denney any day of the century over Kelsay.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 28, 2009 9:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ellis most of the night.
Bell did play some RT against a guy I didn’t know.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 28, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t that solid…. It was more me being excited. :-)
Meanwhile, Matt says that the hitting is solid tonight. As he puts it, “the pads are popping, boys and girls.”
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 28, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
I never got the word that Wood signed! People there would have been ecstatic!!!!
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 28, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
Hmm… I DM’d you on Twitter…
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
so you did.
but it never made it to my phone. It is out there somewhere lost in the internets and webs.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 28, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions

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