T.O. Day at Buffalo Rumblings

by Brian Galliford on Jul 3, 2009 6:00 AM EDT in Events Comment 123 comments

I've been holding off on this for too long - but with Fourth of July weekend just around the corner (and yours truly on a lovely vacation), now seems like the best time for some fireworks, does it not?

If there's one player in the NFL that was born to create fireworks, it's Terrell Owens.

So I'm done putting this off. It's been nearly four months since the Buffalo Bills inked their brand-new enigmatic wideout to a one-year deal. We've talked about him incessantly - oh yes; we've beaten the topic of T.O. to a bloody pulp - but we're also going to have to wait another three weeks until we see him on the field in (relatively) important football situations. Until then, let's take a moment on the eve of a holiday weekend to watch T.O. - and feel free to let yourselves get as excited as I did watching these videos. They're after the jump.

OK, welcome to the jungle. First thing's first - T.O. the player. This highlight video is entirely from Owens' three-year stay in Dallas - and as that's the player that the Bills are bringing in, you can expect to see a little of that at Ralph Wilson Stadium next season.

Next up - T.O. the diva. Yeah, we're leaving the bad stuff out of it - this is a celebration. It's pretty hilarious that when a video of the NFL's best touchdown celebrations is put together, the ringleader is, of course, our own Mr. Owens (although a certain Mr. Ochocinco has a good showing as well).

Lastly - T.O. the person. I know, I know - I'm ending this thing on a serious note. But this video is fascinating, and I figured y'all would enjoy it. If it sobers you up, just go watch the highlight video again.

I'm taking tomorrow off from a writing standpoint; hope y'all don't mind. We'll have Fourth of July content here, so feel free to drop by, but we'll save the serious stuff for Sunday morning. Enjoy your holiday weekend, folks!

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but we’re also going to have to wait another three weeks until we see him on the field in (relatively) important football situations.

I can’t believe it’s 3 weeks away already. probably because it still feels like it’s May outside. I think this year is at least going to be much more entertaining with TO in the fold. hopefully it will equate to more wins but only time will tell. Happy 4th to all.

by gatornation on Jul 3, 2009 7:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i think that kid in the picture would jack me up, too =)

by the_prophet on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Actually, they went back in time and found 11 year old Kyle Williams and brought him to 2009.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 3, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 3, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Notice Aaron Schobel whiffing on a sack at the 4:35 mark of the first video!

Those are some great TO highlights, and prove what kind of impact he can have. However, Trent looks nothing like Tony Romo out there. Romo was not afraid to let it rip downfield to TO and that’s why they had so many big plays together. I just don’t see Trent doing that and I can’t get his putrid play out of my mind. I know I should be more excited about him, but I just can’t be. His poor play and inability to go downfield is just keeping me from expecting huge plays like these from TO too often. Hope he proves different this year and becomes what we need from the QB…..

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 3, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Romo was not afraid to let it rip downfield to TO

Agreed – as I watched those clips I coudln’t help but think that Trent wouldn’t even attempt some of those throws – let alone have the zip. I know Trents arm is stronger than what most perceive – but I just think he was too tentative last year. He needs to get out of that don’t lose the game mentality and get a little bit of a gungslinger attitude. I think if he does that a few times and is successful he can get over the hurdle and become a great QB for us.

basically – pick up your sack Trent and play like a man

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by J2 on Jul 3, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

myabe he should let the sack drop?

But seriously, he’s got to take some more chances. Perhaps those chance weren’t there this year, but I think this year, if he’s not getting it done, there is a serious problem. Even with guys in his face Romo would unleash a bullet to TO and that is promising. i think TOs abilities are still up to snuff, but now all of Edwards abilities will either be enhanced or the holes in is game will be magnified. Here;s to the latter.

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 3, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think if Trent has that extra second to throw that Romo did, he’s capable of making all those throws too. Seriously, most of those highlights are throws to TO with one step (or more) on the defender. The difference between covered and open is “one mississipi” and you can literally count it out loud on most of those highlights. If the line can give Trent the time, Owens should be open. If Trent has to make that second himself, we would be in for a long season.

by Mark Parisi on Jul 3, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Romo made that extra second. His lines have always had some issues protecting him. Even in those highlights he took a few step drop and was still getting hit. He’s very good at avoiding the rush and moving around in the pocket, something Trent doesn’t do as well. Trent has to be willing to stand in the pocket and take a hit while delivering it downfield. I just don’t have confidence that he can do that.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 3, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

me neither

Romo is still a guy who can fire off 4 or 5 TDs in a game and you’re not surprised. He has had some amazing games, and alot of times he makes things happen with his feet behind the pocket and then launching a very well thrown ball downfield. His post-season or big game woes seem to be that of immaturity thus far, but Trent is not even there where we can say he can or can’t on a a big game. There has been no big game.
As far as Trent’s skills, I think he is a step slow in recognition downfield and in the pocket. If he’s anything like Romo this year….that s a HUGE jump

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 3, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trent has to be willing to stand in the pocket and take a hit

You mean like this?

or this?

or at 1:12 of this?

Have a little faith in the guy, K.

I don’t want to get all hyperbolic and claim he’s the second coming of Jim Kelly, but I do think Trent has the tools to hit all the throws he needs to make. If anything, I think he’s too willing to take a hit, considering his fragility.

by Mark Parisi on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, K, I think you’re using a large bit of selective memory here. Trent was incredible last year in moving in the pocket to allow longer routes to develop. I can think of at least two other times when he hit deep routes and had to move up in the pocket to avoid the rushes that were pushing Chambers back into him (hitting Royal for the TD against Seattle and hitting Evans against the Jaguars). Those are just two in addition to Mark Parisi’s three above.

You’re not really being honest about Trent’s strengths and weaknesses. Is he an All-Pro? NO, at least not at this time. But he’s better at moving in the pocket than you’re giving him credit for.

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by thefourwinds on Jul 3, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Trent was so incredible at all that, why was he so mediocre? I think you guys are using selective memory. He had a handful of good games and a large number of clunkers…So he made a few good plays? We need more than that guys.

I think I am being pretty honest about his strengths and weaknesses. He’s very intelligent, can make the throws when they are there and knows when to dump down. However, he doesn’t move around in the pocket that well, he doesn’t make many big plays, and he doesn’t (or hasn’t) led this team into the end zone consistently. If he was better at moving in the pocket, wouldn’t we see better results???

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 4, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If he was better at moving in the pocket, wouldn’t we see better results???

This is where actually having playmakers on the team comes into play.

I never said he was incredible, just better at moving in the pocket and staying with the throw (and taking a hit) than you were saying.

"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
"In my heart, I know I'm funny." Lt Steven Hauk, Good Morning Vietnam - 1987

by thefourwinds on Jul 4, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So we had NO playmakers? Just adding TO doesn’t seem to change Trent from not being able to perform because he had no playmakers to he’s got an abundance of playmakers..!!!!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 4, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

TO’s presence puts Reed back in the slot where he is best. The O-line has much better potential this year than last – it would be incredibly hard to be worse. The addition of Rhodes, though small, gives the Bills three RBs with great playmaking ability out of the backfield. Nelson, though he may only play somewhat as a receiver, adds great playmaking potential as well, where they didn’t have it last year (well, Royal made plays, but then he’d cough it up).

Does this mean the Bills will be awesome this year? Not necessarily. But I certainly expect their offense to be much more high-powered than it was last year.

"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
"In my heart, I know I'm funny." Lt Steven Hauk, Good Morning Vietnam - 1987

by thefourwinds on Jul 4, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would like to see less of that

staying with the throw (and taking a hit)

What is more important? Making a 1st down or finishing the game? In most cases I would have to go with option B. There is a time an place to stand in and take a hit and I am not sure Trent knows when that is. Maybe he was just trying to prove he was a tough guy?

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by Joe P. on Jul 4, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he was just trying to prove he was a tough guy?

Then he miserably failed.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 4, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hes a lot better than you think

He does a very good job of making small movements within the pocket to avoid oncoming rushers, or to help his lineman maintain their blocks. Just because he doesnt scramble all over the field and make an unreal throw doesnt mean he isnt good in the pocket, watch some film and you will see that he does well in the pocket and uses his intelligence to make subtle movements…. not increadible plays.

This entire team lacks in playmakers, there are two playmakers in Lee Evans (Throwing a deep ball…. if you consider his speed playmaking), and Lynch. Other than that they have a ton of unproven veterans and young players. Bringing in TO is going to make a huge difference, but it might not result in TO putting up huge numbers, Trent will continue to hit the players who are open, and it might not be TO receiving the benefts.

by rcrumpley44 on Jul 5, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’s very good at avoiding the rush and moving around in the pocket, something Trent doesn’t do as well.

And that ladies and gents is why Trent is an average QB and Romo is rapidly growing towards the Elite catigory. This year will be the moment of truth for Romo, as it will be his first season without TO.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 3, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Disagree that Romo is that much better than Trent in moving in the pocket. See my comment above.

"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
"In my heart, I know I'm funny." Lt Steven Hauk, Good Morning Vietnam - 1987

by thefourwinds on Jul 3, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just look at the results! What more do you need to see?!?!? Romo is ALWAYS moving around giving himself more space and time in the pocket. Trent just checks down….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 4, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He checks down because his checkdowns (Lynch and Jackson) were his only playmakers last year.

"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
"In my heart, I know I'm funny." Lt Steven Hauk, Good Morning Vietnam - 1987

by thefourwinds on Jul 4, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ll have to agree with K. While Trent has shown good ability to move around in the pocket, he is not Tony Romo. Romo’s ability in the pocket rivals those of the Manning’s, Kurt Warner and Tom Brady. Simply put, Romo is increadible, and his ability to move in the pocket makes him one of the few QB’s that makes his line look good, as opposed to the other way around.

I’m not saying that Trent is bad in the pocket, because he’s actually quite good, but he’s no Tony Romo.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 4, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So when TO is covered, we’ll have no playmakers again?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 4, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ouch!!!!!

wait….wait…T.O. can’t be covered……all is well again in Homerville :-)

by Joe P. on Jul 4, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

See thats the beauty of having both TO and Evans, if TO is covered, Evans will be open, if Evans is covered, TO will be open, if both are stuck in double coverage then we have either Reed, Fine or Nelson in the slot. Thats the beauty of having 2 playmakers on your receiving offence, there will always be someone open.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 4, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That’s not true. NFL CB’s can cover either player one on one. Can they do it every play? No. But to say one will be open when the other is covered is a bit crazy.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 5, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Most NFL QBs are willing to throw it up against single coverage though.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 5, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, we’ll see if Trent is one of them this year….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 5, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ROMO is far from eilite. He has failed in every big moment in his career, with much more talent at A LOT of positions all over the field

by rcrumpley44 on Jul 5, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

At this point, Edwards can only envy Romo's big moment failures.

The key to the Bills 2009 season; Can Trent Edwards grow beyond just not being Loseman

by Joe P. on Jul 5, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But if I had a choice between my QB being Romo or Edwards, I’d take Edwards in a heartbeat.

"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
"In my heart, I know I'm funny." Lt Steven Hauk, Good Morning Vietnam - 1987

by thefourwinds on Jul 6, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would tend to agree, but ask me again after this season.

The key to the Bills 2009 season; Can Trent Edwards grow beyond just not being Loseman

by Joe P. on Jul 6, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah… I’ll go ahead… and disagree… with that.

Sorry I love Trent, I really do. But Romo is the better QB in my eyes.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 7, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Both Trent and Romo are on the hot seat this season

The key to the Bills 2009 season; Can Trent Edwards grow beyond just not being Loseman

by Joe P. on Jul 7, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Romo just got a big new contract. I don’t think he’s on the hot seat. If the Cowboys suck this year, I doubt they would have any desire to get rid of Romo…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 7, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I didn’t say that Romo was presently an Elite QB, just that he has show that potential. I do believe that he shall reach that status within the next 2 seasons.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 6, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

all of Edwards abilities will either be enhanced or the holes in is game will be magnified

Or both….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 3, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed – as I watched those clips I coudln’t help but think that Trent wouldn’t even attempt some of those throws

I’ll agree with you on that one. The one thing that bugs me the most about Trent is that he doesn’t have the guts to take a risk and chuck the ball downfeild. Trent takes the safe option way too often, the problem with that is that the safe option usually doesn’t win games. Trent needs to take more risk out there, not Brett Favre kind of risks, but still more educated risks in order to use TO and Evans to their full potential. If he can do that, then we’re going to have a fantastic season. If he choses the safe option again, then it’s a garanteed playoff miss… again.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 3, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Woah woah woah...

don’t get ahead of yourself here. Everything Trent is told to do is the safe option. He has the guts to make those throws. He has done it before. In Washington two years ago. On MNF vs. Cleveland this year after three picks he had the cajones to do it late in the game. Just like Tom Brady was and other QBs before him he’s a game manager. Give him some time to learn how to take the amount of risks you are looking for.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 3, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well hats what I’m saying, he’s shown flashes. But to me flashes just aren’t enough for me. He needs to show that he can do those throws and makes those decisions and take those risks on a constant basis. Once (and if he ever can) do that, then I believe that Trent will become a Pro-Bowl caliber QB. The true questions is can he do that on a constant basis?

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 3, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on Matt

making a couple of late game throws when he HAS to make them or the game ends is a lot different than taking shots earlier in the game when we’re trying to build or take a lead. You guys are talking about a play here and a play there….is that all we expect out of a starting QB? Why can’t he do those things weekly? If he plays anything like the last 3/4 of last year, we aren’t going to be a very good O….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 4, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m saying when the time is right he makes the throws. Sure I’m picking and choosing because that’s all I have right now. He has the guts to do and he has the arm to do it. My point is that most of the time he chooses to not take chances. He has been a game manager to this point in his career which is exactly what you would expect from him. Don’t make mistakes. Don’t be Losman. Now that Losman is gone he has a chance to step up and be a more vocal leader and maybe make a few more gutsy throws because he’s not worried about the big mistake.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 4, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now that Losman is gone he has a chance to step up and be a more vocal leader and maybe make a few more gutsy throws because he’s not worried about the big mistake.

Using Losman as an excuse for Edwards is kind of weak. I mean, if Losman was an obstacle to Edwards then that attests to Edwards inability to lead the team. He should have more mental toughness than that. He should rise to the adversity and overcome it because that’s what competitors do. I hope Trent wasn’t bothered by Losman at all, because if he was, then we’re in trouble.

It's just a game.

by jj24 on Jul 4, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not saying he wasn't mentally tough enough.

And I never said Trent was bothered by Losman. It’s hard for a kid to come into a huddle and be the same type of leader that the previous guy was. “We’ve heard this before” or other thoughts go through the mind of the players. Plus Losman was still on the team. TE was the anti-Losman to great acclaim in the fanbase and the coaching staff. Now we will see if he can grow beyond just “not being Losman”.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 4, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Half way to a great title for a post Matt

“The key to the Bills 2009 season; Can Trent Edwards grow beyond just not being Loseman?” I think that might have to be my new sig.

by Joe P. on Jul 4, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

when the time is right he makes the throws

To me thats just like saying “when he’s forced to make them, he does”. Thats not a bad quality to have, but I’d rather have a QB that also choses to make those throws before he’s forced to make them because the game is on the line.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 4, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He knows when to take chances.

He puts his team in a position to be successful. I wouldn’t try to force the ball to Robert Royal, Roscoe, or a double-covered Lee Evans when I have Josh Reed and Marshawn underneath either.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 4, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

point, set, match.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 4, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rec’d.

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by thefourwinds on Jul 4, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So when Evans and TO are covered this year, we should expect nothing but checkdowns again!?!?! Looks like he better get used to improvising this year….At some point, forcing plays and trying to make things happen has to occur, doesn’t it?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 4, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What we are really talking about is the size of the window

Trent feels comfortable throwing into. You can’t expect huge picture windows in the NFL. How many TDs have been scored by a WR who was double covered. It is as much about attitude and confidence in yourself as a QB and in your WR. Kelly didn’t average 1 INT per game by waiting for his WRs to be wide open. I am not saying Edwards has to be Kelly, but he needs a little more of that grip it and rip it attitude.

The key to the Bills 2009 season; Can Trent Edwards grow beyond just not being Loseman

by Joe P. on Jul 4, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's what I'm talking about!

Trent has shown, occasionally, that he can make the throws he needs. He just needs to do it more often and have confidence that he can get the ball downfield even if a receiver is tightly covered. Grip it and rip it is right. I hope he takes that attitude, actually.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 5, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is the same problem people have with Jauron.

“He doesn’t show fire on the field.” “Grip it and rip it.” – same thing. There is something to be said for the safe approach.

Trent does not need to take tons of chances to win games. He does not need to throw an INT every game like Kelly or worse like Kemp. He needs to not make mistakes. Checking down and gaining 8 yards on a pass play is a perfectly acceptable outcome. All you need to average is four yards a play. That gets you a first down.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 5, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

With that kind of attitude, we would still be waiting to land the first man on the moon

Besides, I don’t think that “grip it and rip it” and “fire” are the same. Taking those shots helps keep the DBs honest. If they know a QB won’t throw to a covered receiver, then are they really going to worry about helping the CB out? Now, if you have a QB not afraid to throw into tight coverage……..new ball game.

The key to the Bills 2009 season; Can Trent Edwards grow beyond just not being Loseman

by Joe P. on Jul 5, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trent throws into single coverage.

When he knows his guy will fight for it. It’s throwing into traffic and into double coverage that leads to INTs. Remember in the Jets game a couple years ago. We won 13-7 or something and Losman just chucked it up into double coverage but Evans fought for it and popped out for a TD. Trent would probably not make that throw and you can’t fault him for not making it.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 5, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If the Bills are going to put the TE to good use

Edwards better be able to throw into traffic, because there is a lot of traffic in the middle of the field.

Didn’t JP grossly underthrow that ball to Evans, causing the double coverage? I get what you mean, but I think you have to take those chance sometimes.

The key to the Bills 2009 season; Can Trent Edwards grow beyond just not being Loseman

by Joe P. on Jul 5, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The whole field is traffic. Trent checked down a ton last year. I still don’t believe he was willing to throw into tighter coverage or traffic. He might be this year, but I’m not counting on it.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 5, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ll agree with that. But then again Trent didn’t have the necessary players to be confident that they would fight for it. Beyond Evans, and occasionally Reed, we didn’t have those receivers last year. TO brings a whole new ball game in that respect.

If that was truly the case with Trent, that he didn’t have the confidence that his receivers would come down with it, then that attitude should change this year with TO on the feild. If it doesn’t, then we know that Trent isn’t the guy, unfortunatly.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 6, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Checking down and gaining 8 yards on a pass play is a perfectly acceptable outcome.

Except when you never get in the end zone. Trent checked down for the shorter pickups a ton last year, and our offense was terrible. We need more than checkdowns, a lot more.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 5, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The checkdown has nothing to do with getting in the end zone.

The checkdowns put you in a position to score. Then it’s on Lynch to get into the end zone or Hardy to go get it. If you score every time you have the ball you are going to win. Field goals would work. They aren’t the optimum outcome but they would get the job done.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 5, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well i would say evans or TO in single coverage is advantage us, so they will either be double covering one of them or maybe both who knows, so yea…. a checkdown to lynch or fred jackson with 1 on 1 coverage with linebackers isnt bad either

by rcrumpley44 on Jul 5, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trent was the starting QB last year. If he felt he couldn’t be a leader because of some crappy backup QB, then he isn’t much of a leader. And I doubt Losman had anything to do with Trent not being a vocal leader.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 4, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trent came in and was the anti-Losman. It had nothing to do with Losman last year but Losman the starting QB. That guy went into a huddle and was a very vocal guy. Trent could not do that because he followed Losman and the other guys had lost their faith in J.P. Now the keys have been handed to Edwards and he can do or say pretty much whatever he wants in the huddle and the meeting rooms. It’s his team now.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 5, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Losman was very vocal?!?!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 5, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you talking about last year? If you are than no. Two and three years ago he was. That’s what I am referencing.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 5, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was 2/3 years ago? I never thought he was much of a vocal leader and I really don’t think any of the players respected him all that much.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 5, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The respect piece I agree with.

But I also think he tried to use his mouth to lead the team in a way Trent still has not done. Yes Trent has been the mouthpiece for the organization in interviews but he doesn’t walk into the huddle and start running his mouth like Losman did.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 6, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right MRW – people are forgetting that Edwards’ play thus far most likely has been a result of tight reigns. Last year was his first full year as a starter.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 4, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh, it’s T.O. Day, K. Nice kick to the nuts, that little soliloquy. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 3, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey now

what else is there to add to the TO lovefest. You put it all out there. I agree with that. I just hope he has the opportunity to make those plays here, I’m just not confident he’ll have the same chances….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 3, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Would you throw it downfield when Lee is double covered?

Would you throw it downfield to Roscoe? or Robert Royal? The simple truth is that Edwards was doing the right thing by not throwing it deep in those situations. Now with T.O. on board I expect more of the chances downfield. Be optimistic for once man! :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 3, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

Totally agree.

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by thefourwinds on Jul 3, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rec'D

EXACTLY. Edwards will grow into his daddy pants this season.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 3, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you know if Edwards didn’t have those options or didn’t utilize them?

The way he plays, and how it appears he is scared to even go downfield 10+ yards, leads me to believe he doesn’t have that same moxie to consistently attempt to get it downfield to TO and Evans.

I hope we can get it down field, oh how I hope! I’m just saying Trent needs to really step his game up and be more confident in getting it out there.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 3, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve seen Trent play live, twice. He definitely misses downfield opportunities. Why? I can’t say for sure. I know he can’t see every open guy every time, but I hope he’s not going to handcuff himself.

It's just a game.

by jj24 on Jul 3, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree.

It’s why I like going to the games. You can see the routes. I have seen him miss guys in space but that’s not to say he’s even supposed to be looking there at the time. I have no way of knowing.

We have seen him go deep to Lee when he wasn’t double-covered. We have seen him throw long passes to Royal and Roscoe as well. I just personally wouldn’t do that a whole lot.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 3, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So you guys see him missing open receivers downfield, yet want to say he’s got the guts to chuck it down field?!?!? What gives?!?!?!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 4, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You guys ruined T.O. day with all of your Edwards talk. Ruined it. Just saying. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 4, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You might as well have talked about your Halloween costume on Christmas.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 4, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a heckuva comment right there.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 4, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not exactly. They’re both Christmas. It’s just that T.O. is only an elf. Trent Edwards is Santa Claus. The elves can make the greatest toys of all time, but they’re useless if Santa Claus doesn’t deliver them.

It's just a game.

by jj24 on Jul 4, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Methaphorically speaking

T.O. is only an elf. Trent Edwards is Santa Claus. The elves can make the greatest toys of all time, but they’re useless if Santa Claus doesn’t deliver them.

that was a great post:-)

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by Joe P. on Jul 4, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well what if it’s the same Santa suit that you wore for Halloween?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 4, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well usually it’s TO ruining someone else’s day, right?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 4, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I said it above...

I have no idea why he doesn’t throw to them. Maybe he already went past him in his reads and they were covered. I have the luxury of looking downfield the entire time where he has to deal with the pass rush and look one WR to the next. He could also be told before the snap to take the safe throw or something. We have no idea.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 4, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Totally agree, rec’d. But that doesn’t change my previous statement that Trent needs to grow a package. I saw him take the safe throw over the deep play a lot last year, that needs to change this year. I’m confident that Trent has the ability to do make these throws, and the intelligence to find them, however I’m not certain that he has the guts to make them.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 3, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’d never throw to Rocoe beyond the line of scrimage – because you can’t see him!

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 4, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Rec’d!

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by thefourwinds on Jul 4, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’s also rarely in the game.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 4, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha! Well said.

It's just a game.

by jj24 on Jul 4, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Trent can't get the job done.......

the BILLS have a 1-2 punch at receiver, and a 3 headed running attack. if trent can’t be successful (i think he will), the backup will be able to step up and do the job.

by t.o. fan on Jul 3, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't count on that

Fitzy isn’t my saving grace if Trent doesn’t work. I would say barring injury Trent is there for all games despite play…even with the win “now philosophy”
I think because they figure trent will miss 1-3 games minimum, they brought in a QB who can learn the system quick and has a similar skill set. So unless we’re 0-8 (possible, I know) Trent will be in there, and I think if the Bills aren’t “getting it done” they’ll be hvering around .500 all year…teasing us with the rouse of a good team

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 3, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ll second that. Fitzy had two great receivers in Cincy last year and didn’t do much, I don’t expect that to change now that he’s in Buffalo.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 3, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll have to say we do have more weapons than Cincy in the backfield

But still if Fitzy has to come in and he does light it up, I will only be surprised. I don’t expect it at all

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 3, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh we definatly have more weapons then Cincy did, but that doesn’t change the fact that, other ffrom a good pair of feet, Fitzy is a very mediocre QB.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 3, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Two great receivers?

He has one very good one (Housh) and one overrated bigmouth (Ochenta y cinco)

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 4, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Am I the only person here who's really excited Owens is a Bill?

I can’t wait for the adrenaline rush that he is to hit the collective Bills’ faithful’s veins.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 4, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I;m right there with you.

I can’t wait to see what TO does to opposing defences. I love this guy!

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 4, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m looking forward to seeing him on Monday Night in a Bills’ uni. That’s going to be excellent! And I expect a big game from him in week 1.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 4, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My heart will be aflutter.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 5, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wish T.O. day was here again.

We sidetracked too much. I really like what T.O. brings to the field. I have defended him up and down at the Dolphins blog and on Tom Curran’s article. There is just no way he can destroy this team. They weren’t very good to begin with so how could you tell he destroyed them? :-)

Plus I like following him on Twitter. His messages are so random sometimes.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 4, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’m with you on all but the Twitter thing. I find that application to be completely rediculous.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 4, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

Dude that would be a great sig. Couldn’t be more right, I hate Twiter.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 4, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I follow it as a newsfeed. You get great updates from all kinds of sources in one spot.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 4, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, I have a biased against those types of websight. Facebook, Myspace, Twiter, all junk. I’d rather do my human interaction in person. Although I will admit that Twitter and blogs like the Rumblings give ppl the oppertunity to comunicate with ppl that they otherwise would never have the chance to. I just hate it when a group of friends that see each other on a egular basis do most of their interaction through facebook or myspace. It makes me feel like we’ve lost the human part of human interaction.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 4, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like when I was in college...

and the only way you knew when to go to dinner or where people were was by checking their AOL IM Away message. Those were the days.

We still interacted but it served as a bulletin board for us.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 4, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I remember when I was in college and we used to

call them on the phone or even walk down the hallway and knock on the F@#$%$# door! And if you couldn’t find someone, you assumed they were “getting some” and went to dinner with whoever was around. Why do we feel to need to know where everyone is all the time? During Spring Break, I once didn’t come back to my dorm room for a week. Had the time of my life. Now days, someone would probably call the cops.

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by Joe P. on Jul 4, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL, see thats exactly what I’m talking about. These sites have made us all anti-socially social.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 4, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why call on the phone?

How come you’re not pining for the writing of letters, too? :-) Isn’t the phone just a different way to not see people face to face? We checked away messages and white boards. Deal with it! :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 5, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am trying, but

when you hear people texting while sitting on the toilet…..things have gone toooooooo far :-)

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by Joe P. on Jul 5, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

HAHAH

I’ve never done that.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 5, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s called multi-tasking, Joe. Get with the times!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 5, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

man, that would be the wrong time to forget which hand is doing what!!!!!

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by Joe P. on Jul 5, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hi-larious!!!!

It's just a game.

by jj24 on Jul 5, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ROFL!!!!

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 6, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

One more thing...

That first video, the first song in it – one of the worst-written “songs” i’ve ever heard.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 4, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

To each their own man. I like it. Sure as he** better then country.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 4, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just don’t know if the guitar was intentionally de-tuned and the singer was intentionally horrible, or if the stars just alligned for them. True, better than country – but at what cost?

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 4, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey look on the bright side, if the singer keeps on singing like that you wont have to hear him in a year or two because he wont have any vocal cords left. I used to sing in a band and let me tell you that how he sings is the best way to destroy your vocal cords.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 4, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope Lee Evans

Picks up some the same kind of energy that TO puts out there in a game.Last year Evans was a Losman booster and was pretty vocal about that..I think that TO leads the way even if He brings a certain amount of distractions.If Evans is smart He’ll pick up on the energy and between the 2 of them,make Edwards a better quarterback..Any team looking to single cover both of those guys,is looking to lose the game doing it..Offensive Coordinator is the position most suspect on the Offense right now..I think if Trent called His own plays last year,He’d throw the ball downfield more..With TO’s mouth running,You can’t overlook Him during the game and that could be a good thing for this team,but just for 1 year..

by FanFromThe80s on Jul 5, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs