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No end in sight for Maybin holdout in Buffalo

Less than four full days ago, the Buffalo Bills were a day into 2009 training camp, and had gotten there without four rookies.  Starting training camp a week earlier than most NFL teams, Buffalo had an unfortunate disadvantage in signing rookies before camp; the goal, as we perceived it, was for the Bills to try to wrap up their rookies before the rest of the NFL's teams reported for training camp.  That way, even while missing time, Buffalo's holdout rookies would be getting as much or more pre-season preparation as their draft classmates.

Just a few short days later, the Bills have been pretty successful in reaching that goal.  Fourth-round TE Shawn Nelson got a deal early and missed only one practice.  Two days later, second-round OG Andy Levitre got his deal and began practicing with the team.  Just yesterday, the Bills finalized deals for first-round OG Eric Wood and second-round FS Jairus Byrd.  (Both will report to camp, though Byrd will be sidelined for two weeks as he recovers from sports hernia surgery.)

That progress means that seven of eight rookies are signed, sealed and (mostly) delivered.  One rookie stands alone, still unsigned.  You could make the argument that he's the most important rookie the team has; as the No. 11 overall pick, he's certainly the most prominent.  The problem is, no one is quite sure how long it will be before Aaron Maybin reports to camp.

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It's got to hurt to be Maybin right now
As fired up as most people can get about rookie holdouts, the reality of the situation is that this scenario is far more painful for the player.  Aaron Maybin has very little control over his situation right now.  Sure, he can gently nudge his agent, Joel Segal, and ask him to try to hurry things along if he's feeling antsy.  But rookie negotiations take place between agents and teams.  This is a different animal than negotiating a deal with a veteran.  The process is far more structured.  The rookie (and the agent and the franchise, for that matter) is hamstrung by the built-in idiosyncracies of the rookie signing process.

If you follow Maybin on Twitter, you've probably realized by now that the talkative rookie defensive end has been rather quiet about the situation.  He's working out daily, staying in shape.  In short, he's doing what he's supposed to do - staying (physically) prepared and keeping his head down.  But you know that it's killing him.  It killed Eric Wood, and he only missed five days.  Maybin could be looking at a much longer solo workout schedule.

Factors preventing a quick signing
First and foremost, as signing rookies centers highly around which rookies drafted near a player have already reached deals (or certain landmark parameters in negotiations), Maybin's luck is short at the moment.  Only five first-round picks have signed deals - QB Matthew Stafford (No. 1 overall), QB Mark Sanchez (No. 5), C Alex Mack (No. 21), our very own Wood (No. 28) and DT Evander Hood (No. 32).  Zero players picked between Nos. 6 and 21 overall have deals yet - and Maybin is near the middle of that group.

His agent, Joel Segal, doesn't help, either.  Segal has a reputation for showing extreme patience in negotiating rookie deals.  ProFootballTalk.com's Mike Florio has aptly covered this situation, pointing out that the brewing lengthy holdout of No. 10 overall pick WR Michael Crabtree in San Francisco could have a profound effect on Maybin's negotiations.  True to form, Segal is exhibiting patience; there has been little or no communication between Segal and the Bills.

Another little-talked about factor in this situation is the position that Maybin plays.  He's a defensive end; more specifically, he's a pass rusher.  The Kansas City Chiefs drafted DE Tyson Jackson No. 3 overall, but he's a 3-4 defensive end.  He's a very different player than Maybin is.  Maybin was the first player of his type - i.e. the first pass rusher - drafted this year.  Washington's Brian Orakpo (No. 13) and perhaps Denver's Robert Ayers (No. 18) are relevant to track as this process unfolds.  But you can bet that Segal is angling for a little extra cash given the position Maybin plays and where he was drafted.

When will it end?
This situation, by all current appearances, will likely be Buffalo's most worrisome and lengthy first-round holdout in the Dick Jauron era (i.e. over the last four years).  Right now, there are far more reasons to be pessimistic about a rapid, peaceful resolution than to hope for a quick fix.  Today - Thursday, July 30, 2009 - the holdout hasn't hurt Maybin significantly, because as we mentioned up top, he has the same amount of training camp experience as any other NFL rookie (outside of a few teams here and there).

The problem is this: there's no end in sight.  Once the team hits its second full week of preparation on Saturday, the clock will really start ticking on Maybin.  As they say, the sooner this gets done, the better.  Just don't hold your breath.  This thing isn't anywhere close to being resolved.

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Well, this rookie-system absolutely sucks, that’s for sure. I found it pathetic to hear that Crabtree and his agent, the dispickably greedy Eugene Parker, are gunning for ‘top-three money’, as they feel that’s where his value arguably lies. I couldn’t disagree more with this tactic, because Crabtree was – regardless of how him being a WR effected his draft status – drafted, where he was drafted. The nine teams that passed on Crabtree felt that they were better suited, one can only presume, with another player than him on their team. The unfortunate consequence to all of this is likely a lengthy and exhausting holdout that will in all likelihood effect many other first rounders, including our very own Aaron Maybin.

I’m still – like the rest of you – holding out hope that a deal will get done sooner rather than later, as we desperately need Maybin to contribute right away and become a sufficient third-down pass-rusher at the very least. Right now however, it seems more than realistic that this whole debacle could drag on for a while.

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jul 30, 2009 7:12 AM EDT reply actions  

of all the detailed and intelligent analysis you’ve given this topic above, I would like to reiterate that this really sucks

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Jul 30, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions  

This is noteworthy, folks.

Adam Schefter is reporting that the deal for No. 7 overall pick, Raiders WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, is done. Whether Eugene Parker likes it or not, that’s going to effect Crabtree’s deal.

Bucs QB Josh Freeman (No. 17 overall) is in the fold as well. We’re up to 7 first-round rookies signed. Slowly, the ice melts on this.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 30, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Also of note: right now, unless my calculations are incorrect, the Bills have 81 players under contract and potentially available to them next year. Two of them are on Active PUP (Hardy and Hawthorne) and can be activated at any time. The training camp roster limit is 80.

Yesterday, when the Bills officially signed Wood and Byrd, they were at 80 players even (plus Hardy and Hawthorne). Then they waived injured WR P.K. Sam. Maybe they waived him because he’s injured, but they’re not currently using the roster spot – Hardy/Hawthorne remain on PUP, and 79 active players will be on the practice field tonight.

Just saying.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 30, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m reading into this post…The release of P.K. has freed up a roster spot for Maybin…Is that what you’re not saying?

:)

I love me some DB's...I might just be Dick Jauron's long lost twin!

by DBLuv on Jul 30, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybin's roster spot is open and waiting.

The spot is there for Maybin in anticipation he will be signed soon. Makes sense unless it drags out past the weekend. Brandon is probably sitting next to the telle type waiting for spots 5 – 21 to start getting contracts.

by VanScottM on Jul 30, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is the new WR Smith included in that number?

I thought they were at 80. Add Wood and Byrd plus Smith, subtract Sam and Digiorgio. I guess that makes 79.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Jul 30, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, the way you’ve typed it, it makes 81.

Then take out Hardy and Hawthorne. That’s 79.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 30, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarification.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 30, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we just get rid of McIntyre anyways?

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 30, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I have seen he is being phased out on special teams and in the offense. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see him gone.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Jul 31, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Given the extra pre-season time this year I won’t be concerned about maybin unless he isn’t signed by the 1st preseason game. As Brian stated above some 1st round picks are starting to sign which should speed up the process.
I think OBD has done a good job of getting their guys signed in a timely manner. some things can’t be overcome and waiting on 1st round picks is one of them. another is a notoriously slow reacting agent.

by gatornation on Jul 30, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unlike Crabtree, I think Maybin wants to be on the field now and will do what he can to make it happen
the holdout hasn’t hurt Maybin significantly, because as we mentioned up top, he has the same amount of training camp experience as any other NFL rookie

But it is hurting the Bills. Is there another team as starved for DE talent than the Bills?

"I BET YOU IF WE PUT A 12 DOZEN GLAZE DONUTS AT THE OTHER END ON KICK RETURN JAIME DUKES WILL BE OUR NUM # 1 RETURNER …… HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES DUKE APPLE PIE PUNKEN EATER DWINKE SMASHER DING DONG FLABER" - abayarde

by Joe P. on Jul 30, 2009 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

well

the Bills finished 28th in sacks so I would think there are at least a couple of teams that are as desperate as the Bills are.

by gatornation on Jul 30, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pay me now or pay me (more) later

Hopefully, the Redskinds don’t overpay for Orakpo before Maybin signs (Denver seems like they tend to overpay, too, but not as badly as Snyder). Of course, maybe that’s what Joel Segal is waiting for.

If I was the Bills’ FO, I would try to get Maybin deal done now – the choice appears to be overpaying a little now to get it done, or overpating more later after Snyder opens up his wallet for Orakpo…

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jul 30, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Well...

Does Snyder have any cap money after signing Haynesworth and Hall? Maybe not.

by WhyBillsWhy on Jul 30, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Signing

In my humble opinion if Maybin is signed any time before the 2nd pre-season game it will be a success in terms of timing. Maybin will not be a starter week 1 unless we see a injury to Kelsay or Schobel. He will need to learn certain packages and that does not take as much time as learning an entire offense like Woods/Levitre must do (and of course both those guys have a chance to start right away). I am comfortable with Maybin seing the field on 10-20 plays for the first quarter of the season and am not as concerned as I would be with a WR/QB/O-lineman or even a CB.

by Berg79 on Jul 30, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybin just tweeted this story.

@AaronMaybin58: Very depressing but more motivation to work harder!!! http://sbnation.com/e/732508

If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...

by thatguy34 on Jul 30, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha, that’s neat. I love this kid.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 30, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, that’s neat. I love this kid.

It is pretty sweet that the pros actually visit this site and check it out isn’t it? I mean we’ve had Whitner and Maybin plus i’m sure others.

Nice Job Brian and Co.

I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying

by J2 on Jul 30, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was stumbling around the site last night and checked out the stats for daily visitors. Somebody was visiting the site with an IP address originating at St John Fisher college around 2am…..My guess is Turk Schonert

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 30, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You search IP addresses? You have way too much time on your hands.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 31, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just that one time

It was a random thing to do, not an every day occurrence like for Brian!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 31, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t even know you could do an IP lookup.

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"Our style is simple but not that easy. Roll up your sleeves and play good, solid football." -- Marv Levy

by Brian Galliford on Jul 31, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

anyone of us can

I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying

by J2 on Jul 31, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if that’s technically what we’d call it, but it shows where the IP address originates (location). I forget, but I’m pretty sure it shows the IP address as well.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 31, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously- I just started following him a few weeks ago. Other than the inspirational quotes, it’s pretty interesting. Certainly seems to have the right attitude.

Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jul 30, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s very interested in what the media thinks of him. When I sat next to him on the plane, he scoured over two NFL preview guide mags on the plane and looked over the rookies and then the Bills previews. I like that he wants to meet the expectations set for him by others.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 30, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Maybin

We’re on your side – we’re going to be patient as well. Bring that hard working winning attitude when you sign to camp and everything will fall into place brother.

Buffalo nation has your back and we’re excited to see you help turn this ship around and bring the winning back to Buffalo. Work hard and we’ll see you when you get to camp – we’ll be the ones in the fans screaming “aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh yeaaaaaahh goooooooooooo bills!!!!!”. – that’s us buddy!

I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying

by J2 on Jul 30, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

ugghh

*fans – stands.

Brian can you put a request in so we can at least edit our own comments? I know I should proof read a little better…..

I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying

by J2 on Jul 30, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

lets put it in perspective

first, this is not the worst rookie holdout that could have happened as we needed Levitre and Wood to start so we can take some comfort that the o-line is gelling.

the bad news is that our new tackles need some practice working against speed rushers and we don’t have any but Maybin. I don’t want Butler and Walker to get too comfortable going against Kelsay and Schobel. They will be facing Freeney and Porter during the season.

Finally, we need Maybin to get reps and fast. Its already extremely difficult for a defensive end to make an impact his rookie season. The more time he puts in the better he will be in rotation and on passing downs. We need him here or we can expect our secondary to get pick apart again.

Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jul 30, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Hope this is just a hunch

Don’t hold my breath? This thing isn’t anywhere close to being resolved? I don’t mean to sound challenging, Brian, but is this more than a hunch? It sounds an awful lot like an educated guess. Or do you have sources?

by Dyl on Jul 30, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

The longer this drags on, the more it looks like last year for the Jags. Remember if you will (or since I’ll tell you!), Derrick Harvey did not sign his rookie contract until late August, the 27th to be exact. He missed nearly a month of camp and was pretty much a non-factor all season, picking up the majority of his stats and impact in the week 17 finale.

Of course, we’re still nearly a month away from August 27th, but if there’s no end in sight, we may be seeing a similar impact for Maybin.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 30, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Good news….I suppose….Brian Orakpo signed with the Redskins today. He was picked 13th overall, two after Maybin. Maybe this can be used as a template?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 31, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

very good news!

Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jul 31, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

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