Time to Draw the Line
I'm generally a Bills optimist. I have the team making the playoffs each year, albeit at a wild card position. So that got me thinking, why don't I feel the Bills can compete with New England in the East or with the other AFC teams for a Super Bowl berth? What reasons are there? New England seems like they own the division, but in the end they are just a football team like us, made up of players and position coaches just like us. I have to believe that it is not all poor playcalling and coaching which holds us back. So for the purposes of this FanPost, I'm throwing that out.
Now, if there are personnel weaknesses on our team (and there are), where are they? That's when the realization hit me about the weak points of our team. We are good at the fast, skill positions, on both sides of the ball. And our lines on both sides of the ball are suspect. and our question marks are the offensive line's ability to produce and our defensive line's ability to create pressure. On offense, running back is a stacked position. Nothing more need be said there. At wide receiver, despite our injuries at the position in camp, Buffalo maintains one of the deepest corps in the NFL. QB is a question mark, with a solid Edwards not entirely set in statuesque form yet in Buffalo, and Fitzpatrick as our potentially inconsistent backup. But so is the offensive line. We have Langston Walker at left tackle. He's capable but would be better at right tackle where he can face power rushers, not speed rushers. Our two rookies at guard are going to receive some lessons on the job this year from defenders, and even Kent Hull would have a tough time dealing with Kris Jenkins and Wilfork. Hang is decent, but no Hull.
On defense, our secondary seems to be the strength of the team. Donte Whitner's questionable playmaking ability being the only real chink in our armor. Our linebackers would be fine if we only had to play 2 on the field at a time (Poz and Kawika) -- and thankfully, any time the Bills go to a nickel, dime, or quarter defense, that's what we'll get. The trick is getting the defensive line to establish a talented, attacking presence.
Let me make this clear: I'm not advocating the replacement of a single Buffalo Bill. I'm also not calling the lines bad and the rest of the team good. My key argument here is that our front office seems to have ignored the basic football principle of building a team from the lines. It's true that busts and underachievers have been part of this. But the team's brass has to this point failed to plan for that contingency. It might be time for Russ Brandon to draw the line. Implement a line-based offseason strategy and focus on making our lines healthier.
I guess what I am trying to say is that efforts have been made. But should we desire to compete for the NFL title year in year out, we should look at the yearly contenders. The contending teams almost always have a Top 5-10 caliber offensive and defensive line. Therefore, we should not stop working until we, too, have such. Simple logic.
P.S. Thank you Bills FO for getting Wood and Levitre!
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I wouldn't say we're completely overlooking the lines
3 out of the first 4 picks in this draft were lineman, and we also went and got Hangartner in free agency. Also the year before the team went and got Stroud and Johnson, and drafted Ellis and Bell. Year before that we went and got Dockery (bust) and Langston Walker and tried to get Darwin Walker (A for effort I guess). And during Jauron’s first draft we got McCargo, Kyle Williams, Brad Butler, Terrence Pennington (gone) and Aaron Merz (fail). And there was the Anthony Hargrove situation that at least looked good at first
My point is that its not like the Bills consider the lines a secondary priority. Other than letting Ngata go by and re-signing Kelsay I can’t think of many ways that they’ve compeltely messed up managing the trenches.
Did I mention the tank is a tank?
Agreed, not a secondary priority
But we’re not investing the effort into making it a primary priority, either.
how so?
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 1, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, like I said. It would behoove us to work on the lines until they are Top 5 or Top 10 quality. I think this should be the main focus of our acquisitions. I’m not asking to spend every spare draft pick or dollar under the cap for free agents, but over the last few years there have been lost chances to fortify the lines. Aside from draft day this year, the signing of Stroud, and the day we got Langston and Dockery, there’s been really no work on improving our lines. Yet as soon as we didn’t have quality Depth at wide receiver and running back, we nearly tripped over ourselves in immediately filling those holes. We picked up Dominic Rhodes even though we had Omon and Hall, simply because for three games, we would not have Lynch. We pursued Coles and Owens like we couldn’t stand going a season without a great receiver to complement our corps. The urgency was there. It hasn’t been there with the lines. This is frustrating because it is hard to imagine a return to the Super Bowl without a dominant or even outstanding line.
by Dyl on Aug 1, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I’ll say this. There wasn’t a whole lot of great OL on the market this year. As for DEs, they had a guy in Ellis and then drafted a guy plus they have a Pro Bowl DT in Stroud and a Pro Bowl DE in Schobel. We don’t have a great third DT but come on the lines are as good as they were going to be without Peters.
Aside from draft day this year, the signing of Stroud, and the day we got Langston and Dockery, there’s been really no work on improving our lines.
I love how you say this like we should ignore it. There are three acquisitions plus the draft this year where they picked up a bunch of guys. Don’t forget Hangartner signing, too. It’s like “Four moves are good but eight would be better.” Baby steps.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 1, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I put it that way because these moves should be seen as acceptable, capable, average. I feel that over the course of the last two years, we have done an average job for a team seeking to build nasty lines capable of dominating. And in the immediate past before that, our moves were considerably less so. You say baby steps, and here’s the thing. These have been exactly that. If we want an above-average NFL offensive or defensive line, we are going to have to at the absolute minimum continue the pace we have been setting since these moves. I have a feeling a lot of Bills fans and maybe the front office see those efforts as bolder than we necessarily need, superhuman, or huge instead of expected or routine.
If Andy Levitre and Eric Wood turn out to be stalwarts, then that takes care of 2/9 of our work. We need to continue getting better at a faster pace than we are getting worse and older. So yes. Four moves are good. But over the course of the next few years, if we go for less than this “good” whilst more attention goes to DBs and offensive skill players, that will be detrimental to our team’s solidity. Constantly shuffling tackles to guard to centers to tackles (Trey Teague, Mike Gandy, Mike Williams, Kirk Chambers, Brad Butler) is not symptomatic of an injury-ridden line. It is an indication of a line that has been patched together rather than built.
by Dyl on Aug 1, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
But what you said was the Bills weren’t making them a top priority. But then you say the moves were capable. Not every move is going to work out.
Without the Peters fiasco we still have very good guys like Peters, Walker, and Butler in the same spots they were last year. Upgrade Hang and draft a guard somewhere in the top two rounds. That is a built line. The problem comes when a piece you signed and groomed whines his butt out of town. It’s as if Peters had a season ending injury to his ego.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 2, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Come on Matt
We don’t have a Pro Bowl DT or DE. Those guys were Pro Bowlers years ago and aren’t the same players now. They’re still good, solid players, but to claim they’re Pro Bowl level is a bit much.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Even calling them solid is more than he was doing. That is half the DL. THe other half is Williams, who I really like, and then you get the cluster at DE where we just spent our first round pick. It’s not like the Bills haven’t addressed the DL. Maybe not as much as they could or should have but they have added pieces.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 2, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I think our lines are are on an upgrade right now…with mini camp and OTAs under our belt we pulled in a nice group plus our drafts. Now with Training Camp under way the guys are starting to get rooted in their stance on the field.we have tons of tapes to play back and tweak things. We’re on Day 5 with one draft pick let to go and we started Camp early we still have time to shift as needed to get our stuff tighter on the lines
Malcom De King Numba 70 DE yaaadddaamean!
you say thank you for Wood and Levitre
but we also picked up Maybin for the line. 3 of our 4 first picks were on the line. The FO may be a step ahead of you Dyl! And thats a good thing! It seems like for the past few seasons we were always finding weaknesses before they did. Maybe they got it?
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
Hopefully you're right
I’d like to see another offseason like we had this year to be totally convinced, though. :)
Can't put my finger on it, but the O-Line looked good in practice Tuesday.
Really, without live football, it’s a hard thing to describe. They just looked like they wanted it. They were obviously working hard.
It’s not like they pancaked Stroud and Williams or anything. Maybe just a businesslike attitude that says, ``We’re going to take it to you.’’
I have not one jot of football evidence to present. Nobody whooping and jumping up and down. They simply looked good.
I am so looking forward to see if this translates onto the field.
by Defensewinsgames on Jul 31, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions

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