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2009 Bills Training Camp: Day Six Open Thread

The Buffalo Bills will take the Growney Stadium field at St. John Fisher College in just a few short minutes for their eighth training camp practice of the season.  It's also their second night practice, and it's safe to say that this should be a fun night for all in attendance.

Rookie offensive guard Eric Wood (pictured at right during this morning's walk-through) will be hitting the practice field for the first time after signing his five-year, $13 million deal on Wednesday night.  We hope to read plenty of optimistic tweets from thatguy34, who is subbing in for MattRichWarren as our de facto camp reporter this evening.  Any updates thatguy34 sends our way will be updated after the jump, so make sure to refresh early and often as the evening wears on.

Once practice ends, the Bills will unveil their brand-spankin'-new white throwback uniforms, which they will wear in the 2009 season opener on Monday Night Football in New England.  They're going to look great, folks.  The evening will conclude with fireworks.  That's all for later at the moment; right now, make the jump to talk about the important stuff - what's happening on the field.

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7:11 PM: Jon (which is thatguy34's real name, and much shorter to type than thatguy34) reports that eight players are sitting this practice out: WR Steve Johnson, TE Shawn Nelson, DE Copeland Bryan, DT John McCargo, DT Marcus Smith, DT Ventrell Jenkins, S Dustin Fox and S Jairus Byrd.

7:21 PM: The Bills are running throughh some one-on-one blocking drills at the moment, and Jon reports that tight ends Derek Schouman and Jonathan Stupar are more than holding their own against the Bills' defensive ends.  Schouman reportedly tossed Jermaine McGhee aside with ease.

Derek Fine has done well, too, though Jon did mention that he's been beaten twice by Aaron Schobel and Ryan Denney.

From the end standpoint, Chris Ellis has shown a few nice pass-rushing moves, including an impressive swim move and some of the quickness that made him a third-round pick a year ago.

7:28 PM: It's not just the tight ends blocking, folks - the running backs are working against the linebackers in blitz pickup drills.  Kawika Mitchell blew by Xavier Omon with ease, but 2007 draft classmates Marshawn Lynch and Paul Posluszny had a nice tussle, with Lynch, according to Jon, barely getting the upper hand.

7:30 PM: The team has moved to 11-on-11 work.  Eric Wood, as expected, is splitting first-team reps at right guard with Seth McKinney.  That said, this should be music to your ears: Jon reports that Wood and Brad Butler opened up a gaping hole on a run play.  Kinda makes me wish I was there to see those two blue-collar badasses work together.

7:37 PM: As proof that Terrell Owens is, in fact, human, he has dropped three consecutive passes in one-on-one drills with the cornerbacks.  Justin Jenkins, meanwhile, is channeling his inner-T.O., as he's posted two nice grabs.  In running drills, Fred Jackson made a nice cut up the middle for a big gain - only to be flattened by a nice lick from John Wendling.

7:39 PM: Roscoe Parrish is running the Wildcat again, but Buffalo's defense is defending it rather well.  A Parrish keeper was stuffed by Ryan Denney.  Parrish handed to Lynch on two plays after that, and both of those went for minimal gains as well.  As long as our defense is handling the Wildcat, I'm good; this offense probably won't be a big part of Buffalo's attack next season.

The one curious wrinkle to the Wildcat is running an option play out of it, which the Bills have done on a few occasions tonight - quarterbacked by both Parrish and Fred Jackson.

7:59 PM: After some run-of-the-mill punt coverage drills, the Bills are now working 7-on-7.  Drayton Florence continues to line up as the first team nickel back.  Trent Edwards hooked up on a long touchdown strike with Terrell Owens over Leodis McKelvin, but threw a poor ball in the next play that McKelvin broke up.  Bryan Scott intercepted a tipped pass and took it to the house.

Here's a lineup tweak to note: Reggie Corner and Ellis Lankster are running with the second-team defense outside at cornerback, with Ashton Youboty lined up inside at nickel.

8:12 PM: This is a fun one from Jon: "Dear Lord, Ryan Fitzpatrick looks bad.  His passes have no zip and every one is behind the receiver." How absolutely fantastic is that?!

8:19 PM: The team has moved to 11-on-11 work, and - yes - we've seen another screen pass.  Geoff Hangartner and Seth McKinney were out in front as lead blockers, and the offense picked up a nice chunk of yardage.  The four guards currently in competition - Chambers, Levitre, McKinney and Wood - are rotating in with the first series every few plays.

8:22 PM: I asked for an update on the linebacker rotation, and Jon kindly obliged.  Pat Thomas (Mike), Jon Corto and Alvin Bowen are currently the second-unit 'backers.

8:31 PM: Bobby April has K Rian Lindell kicking 50-yard field goals.  With the entire team huddled around him screaming.  Sweet.

8:43 PM: Marcus Stroud sniffs out a reverse.  Practice is winding down, with the first team offense facing off against... ball boys?

8:57 PM: That's all she wrote for the field portion of the night, which is all we'll cover here.  The team is about to show a 50th Anniversary video and then unveil the new uniforms.

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Eric Wood

To say I have been waiting all day to see Wood (insert jokes here) would be a major understatement. I am hopeful he can wipe the rust off real quick.

by Ghetts on Jul 30, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope so too. He’s got the tools to be really friggin good.

by the way, welcome to BR and sorry if I came off a little harsh down below in the comments. It’s the first time I’ve ever stuck up for Parrish in any way, shape or form, so it was a little scary for me. :)

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 30, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The more I hear/read/see of Stupar...

The more I am beginning to think the Bills will not have any FB on the roster come the NE game. I used to always believe heavily in having a good FB, but I don’t think the Bills have fully utilized one in years. And honestly if Fine or Schouman went down I would much prefer Stupar over Nelson in the blocking game.

by Ghetts on Jul 30, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep. Stupar’s had a great camp to date.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 30, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bye Bye McIntyre.

I really would not mind dropping FB off the roster this year and carrying 4 TEs. Stupar sounds like a real possibility for a TE/HB combo if they have him focus on backfield blocking.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 30, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

God, I would love to see a dominant strong side of the line.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 30, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

even though I thought Walker and Butler were quite good last year.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 30, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed – I know there are a lot of people out there that our skeptic on Walker – but I thought he did really well last year, even when he had to switch to LT. Also, I don’t know if many people noticed but I saw a lot of plays open up to the outside (running plays) on the right with Walker vs. getting stuffed easy on the left with Peters…

by Ghetts on Jul 30, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am happy to see the Bills D is holding its own against the Wildcat. Though if it were up to me I would never have the Bills offense using it.

by Ghetts on Jul 30, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

We do have the personel to make it successful though, Parrish really could run it. Do I want to see it installed? Not really. I do like direct snap plays though, thurman used to take a number of them.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 30, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah… it just wasn’t successful last year (for the Bills at least) and I think with our current personnel I think it is a waste of a play unless of course Fred Jackson or Parrish has a rocket of an arm to burn the safeties when they crowd the line…

by Ghetts on Jul 30, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

the problem with us is no one has to be honest because we never ever throw the ball. Even if its just a little screen or dump off into the flat to keep the D honest, but I just dont see Buffalo ever passing the ball, which makes this formation inefficient.

by ballinbills1315 on Jul 30, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that it wasn’t successful, but we do have the personel for it. Parrish was a HS QB and passed for over 2,200 yards in his last season.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 30, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I think both Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch have proven they can throw the ball well. I’m not saying we need to run Wildcat, but I’d love to say some more halfback option plays.

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by thefourwinds on Jul 30, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean no offense but HS quarterback is different from anything he NFL can throw at you. On top of that the Bills have already shown they are not big on putting Parrish in a position to get hurt. And if he is throwing the ball there is a greater chance of a blind hit that will cause an injury…

by Ghetts on Jul 30, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

The point is

He can throw… Ronnie Brown is no NFL QB either, but he only has to throw one out of every 15 or 20 passes to keep opposing defenses wondering IF he will pass, and thats the point. It’s not that you have to have a balanced offense with the Wildcat, but just 1 maybe 2 throws an entire game will keep the D much more off balance and allow for bigger gains in the running game.

by ballinbills1315 on Jul 30, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand

But as an example, The Steelers of early 2000 had both Jerome Bettis and Antawn Randle El tossing the ball up on Option pitches as did Mr. Brian Moorman last season. Randle El was a HS QB as well. I’m not arguing that it’s not a great idea, but I do think we have the players to run the formation.

On top of that the Bills have already shown they are not big on putting Parrish in a position to get hurt.

Not get hurt on punt returns?? My god, that’s one of the most dangerous places to be on a football field… Gunners coming full speed, complete chaos. Personally, I think the reason the coaches haven’t Parrish hasn’t gotten in a position to get hurt, a.k.a. be a real contributor to this offense, is due to inconsistentcy in his route running and bad hands.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I think the reason the coaches haven’t Parrish hasn’t gotten in a position to get hurt, a.k.a. be a real contributor to this offense, is due to inconsistentcy in his route running and bad hands.

I need to clean this up.

Personally, I think the reason the coaches haven’t put Parrish in a position to get hurt a.k.a. be a real contributor to this offense, is due… (the rest is above.)

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 30, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby April has K Rian Lindell kicking 50-yard field goals. With the entire team huddled around him screaming. Sweet.

Hilarious… and hopefully effective.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 30, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Bobby April

seems to be the only coach on this team with some imagination. He doesnt just do the same drill over and over. Yea sure it would be fine to set up some speakers and have Lindell kick, but he always seems to come up with new and different ways to get the same techniques worked on, which in my opinion makes it fun for the player and keeps them wanting to practice. That could explain why his unit is often the best on the Bills team.

by ballinbills1315 on Jul 30, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, April is a great coach that seems to love his role and getting the most of his men.

Honestly, I can’t name another ST coordinator in the NFL, but that’s probably because I’m a ridiculous homer. :)

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jul 30, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Camp Observations

I attended two practices this week, and I left with the following impressions:

1) Our offense is being overhauled. I believe we are reverting to a pass-first, or pass to open up the running game philosophy. The run-first idea didn’t work last year, and our personnel is set up for a wide open attack. As was the case with the K-gun, we will see plenty of dump-offs to the RBs, and dare I say this, some screen passes.

2) Yeah, it appears they are looking at novel ways to get the ball to Parrish, but I observed the same thing a year ago at camp. Don’t get too excited.

3) The no-huddle offense is here to stay. Not only that, but the Bills are getting off plays in less than 15 seconds after the previous play has ended. Last night the play clock was reset for only 20 seconds after each play, and they still had time to spare. The OL immediately gets into their stances. Tongues were hanging out, but if our offense gets used to the concept, imagine what it will do to opposing defenses.

4) Edwards looks efficient and confident, as does Fred Jackson. Josh Reed continues to quietly perform as consistently as anyone.

5) I like the addition of Dominic Rhodes more and more.

6) I could be wrong, but Chris Kelsay looks bigger and stronger, and is playing with a mean streak. Okay, maybe this is the sun and humidity taking its toll on me…

7) One would think that given his circumstances, Marshawn Lynch would not be one of the last players on the practice field each day, and that he would appear more serious than jovial when on the field.

8) TO is having fun with some of the younger receivers.

9) Leodis McKelvin will lead the league in KR average this year. Bank it.

10) I wish we had a better option behind Trent. This scares me to death. We opted for the Harvard guy over a Kyle Boller or Leftwich or Batch. I won’t be shocked if Hamdan wins the backup QB battle, and it will not be because he overwhelmed anyone.

I've been feeling Buffalo ill.

by ChipShot on Jul 30, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice post
Marshawn Lynch would not be one of the last players on the practice field each day, and that he would appear more serious than jovial when on the field.

The former bothers me more than the latter.

I wish we had a better option behind Trent.

I thought Fitz was going to be an adequate backup QB when we signed him, but I have to admit he is making me nervous. Is Griese still available?

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by Joe P. on Jul 30, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

10) I wish we had a better option behind Trent. This scares me to death. We opted for the Harvard guy over a Kyle Boller or Leftwich or Batch. I won’t be shocked if Hamdan wins the backup QB battle, and it will not be because he overwhelmed anyone.

I really wish I knew what the front office saw in this guy. I watched him last year and I thought he pretty much stunk throwing the ball. I just can’t believe they are willing to go with this guy if Trent goes down…

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by Kurupt on Jul 30, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

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