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2009 Bills Training Camp: Day Seven Open Thread

When the Buffalo Bills complete this afternoon's practice at St. John Fisher's Growney Stadium, the team will have wrapped up its first full week of training camp. Fathom it.

With that "milestone" (we use that term loosely) in mind, we've got some stuff planned for over the next couple of days to recap the week's action and look ahead to the team's first pre-season game, which is a little over nine short days away.  In the interim, however, our de facto camp reporter, MattRichWarren, will be at Fisher today tweeting live updates as practice occurs.  His updates will appear here as well, keeping y'all in the know.  Jump on in for those updates once practice starts, at 2:25 PM.

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2:30 PM: Twiddle your thumbs for a few minutes, folks.  Camp Reporter is stuck in traffic.

2:45 PM: And we're live! Aaron Schobel, Copeland Bryan, Marcus Smith, Shawn Nelson, Lee Evans and Terrell Owens are on the sideline without pads.  Bryan, Smith and Nelson have been injured, and it looks like Schobel, Evans and Owens will be given a lighter workload today.  Roscoe Parrish and Josh Reed are the first-team receivers.  Chris Brown adds in that Terrence McGee has a day off as well, and that John McCargo, Ventrell Jenkins, Dustin Fox and Steve Johnson remain on the injury shelf.

2:53 PM: Trent Edwards is donning a baseball cap and appears to be getting a rest day as well.  Ryan Fitzpatrick is running the first-team offense.  Raise your hand if you think this will be a boring practice!

2:56 PM: It's nice and sunny, and the heat is cranked up higher than it's been this past week.  The pads just came off.  Demetrius Bell is getting some first-team reps at right tackle, and rookie guards Andy Levitre and Eric Wood are getting all of the action with the first team.  The team has been working on a version of the Wildcat in which Marshawn Lynch, Fred Jackson and Dominic Rhodes are all on the field.

3:18 PM: Just as they did on Wednesday night, the Bills are concentrating on red zone work in 7-on-7.  There are currently no first-unit skill players on the field for the offense.  In our continuous effort to keep track of the epic battle going on at reserve linebacker, the second unit today is comprised of Nic Harris, Marcus Buggs and Ashlee Palmer.

3:30 PM: Josh Reed and Derek Schouman have recorded touchdown receptions in red zone work; Reed's catch was highlight reel-worthy.  Meanwhile, perhaps the only other highly important veteran practicing, DT Marcus Stroud, made tackle/guard Chris Denman look silly on a pass rush.

3:33 PM: Y'all asked for an update on rookie sixth-round pick CB Cary Harris.  Here's where we oblige.  Harris was one of the last corners onto the field in 7-on-7 work, and he was just roasted for a touchdown by street free agent receiver Shaine Smith.  Things aren't looking good for the USC product.

3:45 PM: Asked for an update on the safety rotation, so here it is: clearly, Donte Whitner and Bryan Scott are running first team.  Ko Simpson and George Wilson are running second team (with Wilson at strong safety), and John Wendling is running third team.  No surprises, but things could get very interesting here once Jairus Byrd returns to the field.

4:04 PM: Peter King wasn't lying, folks - Ryan Fitzpatrick really does have a very strong arm.  Buffalo didn't do a lot of throwing today, but when they did, both Fitzpatrick and Gibran Hamdan were solid, yet also unspectacular.  Much better than terrible.

Also, a note on the defensive ends: with Schobel sitting, Ryan Denney is taking first-team reps at right end alongside Chris Kelsay.  Chris Ellis and Jermaine McGhee - the only other two ends on the field - are running with the second team.

4:08 PM: This one needs to go in verbatim. "Saw another screen. Wood running at the cornerback is scary for that DB. Just practiced the quick spike to kill clock. I clapped."

4:22 PM: That's all she wrote.  Recap coming later on this afternoon.

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Is traffic always that bad?

by Ghetts on Jul 31, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Eastsiders must be working hard on a Friday afternoon. =)

If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...

by thatguy34 on Jul 31, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have traffic in suburban Rochester?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Relatively speaking, of course.

If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...

by thatguy34 on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I plan for a twenty minute drive...

and it bottlenecks in Pittsford. Then I have to wait for FOREVER to take the bus.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 31, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Brian is there anyway to put in an auto-refresh button to these threads? Where we could just click it and say every 30sec/1min/5min it would auto refresh?

by Ghetts on Jul 31, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

right under the red “comments bar” click on auto-refresh

I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying

by J2 on Jul 31, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have it clicked already… maybe I am just too impatient for the reload time? haha

by Ghetts on Jul 31, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t that only refresh the comments though, not the entire page?

If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...

by thatguy34 on Jul 31, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that. You’ll have to F5 for the content to refresh, but the comments update automatically.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 31, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on Matt

you live in/near Rochcha, you should know the driving issues this time of year !!!!

by gatornation on Jul 31, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s only in Pittsford where the parking is. single lane road where there should be two.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 31, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was all excited for this thread until I read that Fitzpatrick is our first team QB… Prepare for about 10 int to the defense folks…

by Ghetts on Jul 31, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Raise your hand if you think this will be a boring practice!

On the contrary Brian, it should be rather entertaining. Matt could start taking bets on how long it takes for an errant Fitzpatrick pass to hit an innocent spectator.

If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...

by thatguy34 on Jul 31, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s funny up until the point that I remember he is our backup QB and then I cry…

by Ghetts on Jul 31, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

the raiders let go Andrew Walters today. I think he is a better option then Fitzpatrick, he doesn’t have the mobility but has a much better arm.

by gatornation on Jul 31, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bills should take a loooooooong look at him.

"I BET YOU IF WE PUT A 12 DOZEN GLAZE DONUTS AT THE OTHER END ON KICK RETURN JAIME DUKES WILL BE OUR NUM # 1 RETURNER …… HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES DUKE APPLE PIE PUNKEN EATER DWINKE SMASHER DING DONG FLABER" - abayarde

by Joe P. on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No thanks

Walter was pretty putrid and sack-happy when he was starting for the Raiders.

by Dyl on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

how does that differ from Fitz? Who has more upside?

"I BET YOU IF WE PUT A 12 DOZEN GLAZE DONUTS AT THE OTHER END ON KICK RETURN JAIME DUKES WILL BE OUR NUM # 1 RETURNER …… HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES DUKE APPLE PIE PUNKEN EATER DWINKE SMASHER DING DONG FLABER" - abayarde

by Joe P. on Jul 31, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, FITZPATRICK. By 900 miles.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 31, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really, why?

At least Walters is big and has a strong arm. What exactly has Fitz got over him?

"I BET YOU IF WE PUT A 12 DOZEN GLAZE DONUTS AT THE OTHER END ON KICK RETURN JAIME DUKES WILL BE OUR NUM # 1 RETURNER …… HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES DUKE APPLE PIE PUNKEN EATER DWINKE SMASHER DING DONG FLABER" - abayarde

by Joe P. on Jul 31, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scrambling ability

the only thing he can do even remotely decent

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 31, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either you think Walter is the worst QB ever

or you like parts of Fitzpatrick’s game???

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 31, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Walter stinks. His career QB rating is freaking 52.6. Which is just a hair higher than his completion percentage (52.3). He’s TERRIBLE.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, he was playing for the Raiders. Walker was supposed to be terrible too.

"I BET YOU IF WE PUT A 12 DOZEN GLAZE DONUTS AT THE OTHER END ON KICK RETURN JAIME DUKES WILL BE OUR NUM # 1 RETURNER …… HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES DUKE APPLE PIE PUNKEN EATER DWINKE SMASHER DING DONG FLABER" - abayarde

by Joe P. on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why does Walter get a reprieve for playing with Oakland, but Fitzpatrick doesn’t with Cincy? Their offensive line was disgustingly terrible last season.

I can’t believe this is even a discussion. Andrew Walter?!

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 31, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree – Fitz is better; I am just waiting and waiting for him to remember that the goal of throwing passes is to actually hit the receiver not miss them…

by Ghetts on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Hamdan wouldn’t have a lot of trouble beating out Walter for the 3rd spot.

by Dyl on Jul 31, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

We wouldn't be if Fitz

wasn’t playing the King of CAC QBs. From what I am hearing from people at camp, Fitz is not performing poorly due to a lack of understanding of the offense. He should be performing better.

"I BET YOU IF WE PUT A 12 DOZEN GLAZE DONUTS AT THE OTHER END ON KICK RETURN JAIME DUKES WILL BE OUR NUM # 1 RETURNER …… HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES DUKE APPLE PIE PUNKEN EATER DWINKE SMASHER DING DONG FLABER" - abayarde

by Joe P. on Jul 31, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that’s why Turk and Dick brought in Fitz, b/c he was supposedly able to pick up the offense super fast, with his 50 Wonderlic score and all.

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by thefourwinds on Jul 31, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why so Walter get a pass?

He doesn’t, but Fitz is playing like crap with us right now. Walters should get the same chance. Hammy is next to useless. We should bring in someone to compete with Fitz.

"I BET YOU IF WE PUT A 12 DOZEN GLAZE DONUTS AT THE OTHER END ON KICK RETURN JAIME DUKES WILL BE OUR NUM # 1 RETURNER …… HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES DUKE APPLE PIE PUNKEN EATER DWINKE SMASHER DING DONG FLABER" - abayarde

by Joe P. on Jul 31, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walter was released by the Raiders, finishing his Oakland career with a 52.3 completion percentage, 3/16 TD/Int ratio and 51 sacks taken in 333 attempts.

by Dyl on Jul 31, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Pats had no problem signing Walter quickly!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 4, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

… so? He’s their third QB!

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they got Fitzpatrick as our real attempt of a wildcat. Because everyone knows he can’t throw and is just going to end up running (for his life)

by Ghetts on Jul 31, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

With the crumby weather for much of the summer and teachers (and schools) out for the summer

it’s no surprise that traffic is bad. Plus, anyone who’s from the area can tell you that Pittsford is ALWAYS busy – the money there seems to need to work less to spend more.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 31, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

*crummy. I must have food on the brain.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 31, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMHO

I don’t think Cary Harris will make the team. I think Ellis Lankster has shown more flashes and what I have read about him he was pretty good at punt/kick returns in college. I wouldn’t be suprised come next year that Parrish is completely gone and Lankster takes over on punt returns…

by Ghetts on Jul 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

During the draft wasn’t everyone talking about how Cary Harris was slow and lacked intangibles. It that he would be a great zone based DB? Well I guess we now know that is not the case it isn’t looking too good for him at all right now

by ballinbills1315 on Jul 31, 2009 3:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, I am just wondering how it looks on the 53 man roster – I know we are ways away. But would they even have room for either of them? McGee, Mckelvin, Corner, Youboty, Florence are 5 that are locked in for spots. How many corners do the Bills usually keep?

by Ghetts on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the question.

I imagine the coaches will be watching Lankster to see just how much of a chance he has.
As training camp goes on, injuries and performance will be factors. Let’s just hope injuries aren’t.

by Dyl on Jul 31, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point.

At best, one of them makes the 53-man roster. The other will probably be cut, or end up on the practice squad.

by billsfan1970 on Jul 31, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think Cary Harris will end up being cut and Lankster will be on the practice squad. Even if we get injured Florence can play outside and they have been experimenting with Youboty as well. Plus we all know DW can play nickel cb and I am sure Byrd would do perfectly fine there as well…

by Ghetts on Jul 31, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say he was a pretty good return man. He was average, at best, but he does have that ability if need be.

Lankster has blown Harris out of the water thus far from the sound of it.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lankster has been on the field… Harris not so much. In my tweet I said I’d be shocked if he made the team at this point.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 31, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan Fitzpatrick really does have a very strong arm.

Apparently I just went on a bad day. His passes were wobbly all practice last night.

If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...

by thatguy34 on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

If he does, we better see it soon.

"I BET YOU IF WE PUT A 12 DOZEN GLAZE DONUTS AT THE OTHER END ON KICK RETURN JAIME DUKES WILL BE OUR NUM # 1 RETURNER …… HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES DUKE APPLE PIE PUNKEN EATER DWINKE SMASHER DING DONG FLABER" - abayarde

by Joe P. on Jul 31, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard at least two of his throws hit his WRs.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 31, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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