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Ten Bills to Decide 2009, No. 4: DT Marcus Stroud

The Buffalo Bills traded third- and fifth-round picks in the 2008 NFL Draft to the Jacksonville Jaguars for the rights to DT Marcus Stroud.  The goal in acquiring Stroud (and in releasing veteran Larry Tripplett) was to fortify a Bills run defense that was ranked No. 25 in the NFL the previous season, surrendering 124.6 yards per game.

There's little doubt that the presence of Stroud brought about solid change in Buffalo; Stroud started the season out brilliantly and cooled off, but was always consistent in his play.  Despite that fact, however, proof that one man does not a dominant run defense make emerged, as the Bills improved to only No. 22 in the league in run defense, giving up 121.6 rushing yards per game - an improvement of only three yards despite a far easier schedule.

Despite the minimal improvement, Stroud had a solid season in Buffalo - and was rewarded for it by receiving a contract extension that keeps him in Buffalo for the next four years and pays him $28 million.  He turned 31 in late June, and after staying healthy for a full 16 games in his first year in Buffalo, he appears to have put microfracture surgical issues and steroid allegations firmly behind him.  He is now the unquestioned anchor of a slightly overrated Bills defense coming off of a No. 14 league ranking.  His importance is paramount to a defense that needs to help its offense out more than it has in years past; that importance increases when one ponders what the Bills' options are should Stroud falter or succumb to injury.

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First and foremost, it's important to mention that while the Bills made a statistical leap forward last season in terms of defensive rankings, they didn't improve as much as we'd all like to believe they did.  The pass rush was still horrendous, turnovers were few and far between, and the aforementioned run defense was essentially the same outfit, even with Stroud on board.  Not all of that is Stroud's fault, obviously, but it's not as if we can't expect him to play more consistently, either.

Stroud picked up two of his 2.5 sacks in the season-opening win against Seattle.  While his play was consistent throughout the entire year, the absolute dominating brilliance he displayed in that first game didn't re-surface throughout the remainder of the season.  Expecting Stroud to perform at that level throughout an entire season is foolish, but more flashes of that dominance throughout the season would go a long way toward creating a more consistent defensive unit.

Unfortunately, Stroud's importance goes beyond his play and his contract.  The Bills have a solid four-man rotation at defensive tackle - and Stroud's starting mate, Kyle Williams, is severely underrated by the masses - but the reserve combination of Spencer Johnson and John McCargo are, at best, spot contributors.  Williams himself probably isn't anything more than a vastly underrated number two defensive tackle.  With Stroud in the lineup, the Bills are solid at DT.  Without him... well, things then become a bit more of a stretch.

The Bills are in a tight spot on their defensive line.  They have some talent, but the critical pieces - Stroud perhaps chief among them - need to play a full season of games, and they need to play far better than what was on the field in 2008.  I've called Stroud the anchor to the defense, and I'll stand by it.  If Buffalo loses the anchor to their defense, or if said anchor doesn't anchor so well, the Bills are in serious trouble.

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I’m surprised you don’t use the Football Outsider rankings. I’d think that be a lot easier than listing the raw numbers and then saying why it’s over or understated. This is generally a sophisticated enough crowd where you wouldn’t be talking over people, and those that you would could learn.

by Pistol on Jul 8, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well… we work the Outsiders in, just like we did in a post last week. But they’re not the be-all, end-all of understanding good football. No stat is. So I stick with the raw numbers, because it’s not as if they’re unimportant.

And now, back to being on topic. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 8, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait… I might know what you’re driving at. According to FO, Stroud and Williams combined to help the Bills finish sixth in the NFL last year in stopping the run between the guards. Is that what you were talking about?

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 8, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, no. I didn’t know that.

I realize they’re not the be-all, end-all, but they provide a lot more context than the raw numbers. So in a case like this you could just give the FO ranking which makes most adjustments, instead of going ‘they were 22nd, but that was against an easier schedule than 2007, however, the offense’s turnovers didn’t put them in good spots as they were on the field more, but the STs did help with field position, and there were those 2 games where it was really windy so there was little passing".

I just think it makes your life a little easier, and is a little more telling.

Anyway, that’s just a pet peeve of mine. I certainly enjoy reading your work regardless.

by Pistol on Jul 9, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stroud started the season out brilliantly and cooled off

Is there a possibility Stroud’s cooling off was related to Schobel’s eventual injury? Schobel played in every game before the bye week if I remember right. Could Schobel’s presence, and opposing offensive lines respect for him, have resulted in offenses focusing less on Stroud? If so, could that be a sign of good things in 2009 if Schobel is back to 100%?

Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jul 8, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would have to agree. I think with 2 solid DT and 2 speedy/stupid fast DE’s, as long as they stay healthy, I see a big impact with Maybin. and Denny/Kelsay could be gone next year, but that may be to much to wish for

I can do everything through him who gives me strength. Philippians 4:13

by NCbillsfan12 on Jul 8, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stroud

contributed by upgrading the run defense primarily, but his presence helped his teammates out (at least somewhat). I shudder to think of this defense without him, and that pretty sums up his value in Buffalo.

How do you spell relief? H-A-L-O-T-I N-G-A-T-A. Oops, the Bills whiffed on him for a safety. Sorry, Bills, but it’s going to be a long, long, long time before the front office lives that one down.

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jul 8, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

his presence helped his teammates out

I think we should see a huge improvement from Poz going into his second full year and playing behind Stroud who definitely occupied blockers attention last year. I don’t think its necessarily true that he upgraded the run defense primarily however. If I recall, Stroud was able to get a decent push to cause adjustments in the pocket more than a few times. Its not his fault the defensive ends couldn’t take advantage.

Oops, the Bills whiffed on him for a safety. Sorry, Bills, but it’s going to be a long, long, long time before the front office lives that one down.

Its so easy to criticize draft mistakes but I think if you look at the big picture the team has been pretty good in recent years. We have a great young core that I think gives us something to look forward to in the near future and thats because of the draft. McKelvin, Lynch, Edwards, Poz, Wood, Nelson, Levitre, Williams, Stevie J, even Hardy are solid prospects. Thats a lot of good prospects to have. Haloti may be a big whiff, but they’ve done more right than wrong in my book recently

Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jul 8, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Granted, it is easier to criticize from the sidelines than to make those decisions

The front office has made some pretty good picks overall in the last few years. (And I don’t mean to resurrect a dead horse, Brian, but how much better would this defense be with Ngata on the roster?) IMHO, when you draft and you have a choice between two prospects, all other things being equal (and of course they’re not quite equal), you take the lineman every time. But that’s just me…

By the way, I agree with your assessment of Stroud, and have been very happy to have him on the Bills’ roster. Hopefully Buffalo will get more production out of the DE position this time around to complement his talents.

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jul 8, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sound logic

this is 100% correct

you take the lineman every time

Which is part of the reason I didn’t like the Byrd pick (again, Brian not to beat a dead horse).

In a 4-3 a middle linebacker benefits so much from a strong DT duo and hopefully Poz makes his step into the top 10 MLB category this year.

As for DE help, is it too much for us to expect improvement? We can’t go anywhere but up at that position right?

Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jul 8, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DE HELP (yes, K, I did put those two words next to each other)

I’m keeping my fingers crossed…just in case.

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jul 8, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can’t go anywhere but up at that position right?

Right

But we shouldn’t expect drastic improvement. If Schobel can give us 6-7 sacks I will be ecstatic. If Maybin can add around 5, that’ll also be awesome. Small improvement is better than no improvement, but we still have a ways to go at this position….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 9, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why is it

that the Bucs had only four more sacks than us and still ranked 5th in takeaways….what are we doing wrong!!!

Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jul 9, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better safeties? More opportunistic CB’s?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 9, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it has to be something like that but it sort of kills our excuse that our secondary doesnt make plays because we dont have a pass rush. Now I’m worried about our secondary. I saw that stat last night and now im concerned about our entire defense.

Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jul 9, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1 name, Ronde Barber.

He’s probably the most consistant CB in Football.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 9, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, the Ngata talk is crap...

Please stop with the Whitner/Ngata draft debate…it is probabbly the most irritating comment continuously made on this site…everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it does no good to anyone so please keep it to yourself. I love this site, I am here everyday reading the write-ups and the subsequent posts, but when I see the Ngata talk, I usually close the window. I can’t bear anymore of it, its like the Michael Jackson funeral coverage going on five years now.

Stroud & Williams baby! S. Johnson is above-average for a back-up DT, and here’s to McCargo steppin’ up big this year (I really, really hope)

by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 8, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea why does Spencer get so much hate? I kind of thought he was impactful when playing. I think he’ll be even better with another year in the system

Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Jul 8, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I’ll agree that Ngata is by far the beter player NOW, I remember watching the draft on tv that year and every expert on that show were calling Ngata increadibly overated and slow and applauded the Bills pick of Whitner. At the time, it looked like the right pick. So can we please stop criticizing the FO for not picking Ngata, because this is starting to get to me.

We can’t change the past ppl, we have Whitner now. MOVE ON!

by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 9, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be so nice if Mcbusto was who

he should/could be

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone"
-Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Jul 8, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It would undeniably help Marcus quite a lot if John McCargo could actually, you know, make somewhat of a contribution to this team and this defense, which he hasn’t done to this point. McCargo has incandescant athletic ability, which we for some reason have seen too few glimpses of during his tenure in Buffalo. If Bob Sanders, whom I have a lot of hope for compared to the vastly overrated and always-yelling Bill Kollar, can lit the fire under McCargo that Kollar failed to, we could have a true diamond on our team, but that’s a HUGE if. Big John needs to get around the 300-305 pound area that he played succesfully under in college, and if he – in addition to working and studying harder – does that, it could go a long way in helping Stroud.

Of course, it would also help us out a lot if Spencer Johnson would actually become a more consistent pass-rusher as he was in Minnesota.

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jul 8, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Defense

Someone once said: “The best defense is offense”. The lack of offense, especially ball control, it what makes the defense look bad. In your article you mentioned that the play of Stroud and some of the other defensive players tapered off toward the end of the season. Perhaps they just didn’t feel like risking injury to get field position for an incompetent offense. The “anchor” for the offense has to be the quarterback, and, when you don’t have a first rate quarterback, you lose. The Bills need leadership in that position, and until they get it, they will continue to be losers.

by Geolover on Jul 8, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As much as I feel Stroud should be on this list and should be this high, it’s not exactly because of his actual play. It’s because his absence would mean we have to start Spencer Johnson or John McCargo. That’s a major downgrade.

Even though our run D was just as poor last year with Stroud as it was the previous year without him, I shutter to think what it would be like without him again. Hopefully this year he’ll have an impact in more than just one game. We need him to continue occupying blockers, but to also make some plays here and there.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 9, 2009 12:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bills schedule was easy in terms of the overall talent that we faced, but I wouldn’t call the sced easy in term of what our run defense had to deal with. Our division boasted three very succesful running teams last year. NE finished sixth in yards per game, The Jets were 9th and Miami was 11th. And since Brian used yards per game I’ll stick with that and point out that Oakland finished 10th, Denver was 12th, KC was 16th, Seattle, Jacksonville and SD finished 18-20th. Buffalo did play STL (25th), Cleveland (26th), SF (27th) and dead last Arizona, but it wasn’t an easy schedule vs. the run.

Buffalo also struggled with some big gainers that hurt the overall line. I know most teams gave up some big runs, but that Eddie Royal 71 yard run, Jerome Harrison 72 yard run and stupid stuff like the Favre bootleg, Donnie Avery reverse, the 50 yard run for Leon Washington and a couple of bad weather games really make Stroud’s addition tough to notice with end of the year stats.

by kaisertown on Jul 9, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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