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Predicting Buffalo's final roster, V2.0

A few days before 2009 Buffalo Bills training camp got started, we sat down with our Bills roster and our thinking caps and took a pre-camp stab at projecting the team's final roster - even though we were nearly two months out from the regular season.

My, how much things can change in a week.

John DiGiorgio and Justise Hairston have landed on Injured Reserve.  There have been some surprising developments on the lower portions of the depth chart that have shaken some of our projections up.  Several young players have had an impressive first week of camp, while others have disappointed and fallen off the radar.  In short, a week into camp, we're ready to take another look at this thing - if only to see exactly how much has changed.

After the jump, you'll find our roster projection, our practice squad projection, explanations on the last five players to make the roster and the first five we cut, and more.  As always, if you've got questions, feel free to ask - and we wouldn't mind seeing some of your predictions as well.

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Week 1 roster exemptions
I listed two players here in the first iteration of this exercise. With WR James Hardy on Active PUP and expected to practice sooner rather than later, however, I'm not including him here this time.  RB Marshawn Lynch is still very much suspended, however, so he stays here as an early-season roster exemption.  The Bills will place Lynch on the Reserve/Suspended list to begin the season; he won't count against the 53-man roster once that's done.  Then, when his suspension is over, the Bills will release a player to make roster room for Lynch.

Now that that's out of the way, here's my latest projection - in depth chart form.

Pos. STARTER Backup Reserve Reserve
WR2 83 - LEE EVANS 13 - Steve Johnson
LT 68 - LANGSTON WALKER 77 - Demetrius Bell
LG 67 - ANDY LEVITRE* 73 - Kirk Chambers
C 63 - GEOFF HANGARTNER
RG 70 - ERIC WOOD* 66 - Seth McKinney
RT 60 - BRAD BUTLER 79 - Jonathan Scott
TE 80 - DEREK SCHOUMAN 86 - Derek Fine 89 - Shawn Nelson*
WR3 82 - JOSH REED 11 - Roscoe Parrish
WR1 81 - TERRELL OWENS 84 - James Hardy
QB 5 - TRENT EDWARDS 14 - Ryan Fitzpatrick 10 - Gibran Hamdan
RB 23 - MARSHAWN LYNCH 22 - Fred Jackson 33 - Dominic Rhodes 42 - Bruce Hall
LE 90 - CHRIS KELSAY 92 - Ryan Denney 93 - Chris Ellis
1T 99 - MARCUS STROUD 97 - John McCargo
3T 95 - KYLE WILLIAMS 91 - Spencer Johnson
RE 94 - AARON SCHOBEL 58 - Aaron Maybin*
SLB 56 - KEITH ELLISON 54 - Nic Harris*
MLB 51 - PAUL POSLUSZNY 59 - Pat Thomas
WLB 55 - KAWIKA MITCHELL 50 - Alvin Bowen
LCB 24 - TERRENCE McGEE 27 - Reggie Corner 26 - Ashton Youboty
SS 43 - BRYAN SCOTT 37 - George Wilson 21 - John Wendling
FS 20 - DONTE WHITNER 31 - Jairus Byrd*
RCB 28 - LEODIS McKELVIN 29 - Drayton Florence 46 - Ellis Lankster*
K 9 - RIAN LINDELL
P 8 - BRIAN MOORMAN
LS 72 - RYAN NEILL

Again, there are 54 players on that depth chart.  Once Lynch returns, Hall will be released, and if we're lucky, he'll be re-stashed on the practice squad, because he's got some talent.  In the meantime, here's what the Hall-less practice squad looks like (yes, one would have to go if/when Hall was demoted):

TE Jonathan Stupar
C Brandon Rodd
OT Nick Hennessey*
DT David Lindquist*
LB Marcus Buggs
LB Ashlee Palmer*
CB Cary Harris*
CB Lydell Sargeant*

Just like last time, we'll do last five in, last five off.

Five in
OT Jonathan Scott.
Call me crazy, but I think the Bills would be pretty crazy themselves if they entered the season with eight linemen and two practice squad guys as the entirety of the depth chart.  I doubt that'll happen simply because of how much change has gone on.  I expect a ninth lineman to stick around, and Scott gets the call because of his natural tackle skills.  He wouldn't dress on most weeks, but it's nice to have a young vet practicing with the team, at least.

LB Alvin Bowen. It's quite difficult to figure how how many players will be kept at certain positions this year because of special teams rules.  Bowen is the sixth linebacker kept; the Bills will almost assuredly keep that many.  Still, with Bowen in heavy competition with Marcus Buggs, Ashlee Palmer and Jon Corto, he's not exactly a lock for a roster spot.  Strong pre-season showings will help his cause.

CB Ellis Lankster. I've got the Bills keeping eleven defensive backs.  We know they value them, and they've kept 10 in each of the last two seasons, but 11 is an awful lot.  In determining these final roster spots, however, the Bills like to take the best players - and, more importantly, guys with potential that can play some special teams.  Lankster is precisely that.  With each impressive training camp practice, he makes it that much harder for the coaches to release him.

SS John Wendling. There's a reason I pictured rookie S Jairus Byrd at the top of this post.  Right now, Byrd holds the keys to figuring out exactly which players the Bills will keep in the secondary.  He'll be out most of the next two weeks recovering from sports hernia surgery.  If, when he returns, he's so far behind that the coaches might look to deactivate him early in the season until he's ready, don't be shocked if the Bills release Wendling in favor of Ko Simpson, who can play defense while Byrd acclimates to the pro game.

RB Bruce Hall. Even with Lynch's suspension factored in, there's a chance that the Bills stick with just Jackson and Rhodes until the suspension is up - particularly if the suspension is reduced.  I don't expect that to happen, however, so Dick Jauron will likely take the conservative route and stash a third running back on the roster, just in case.

Five out
TE Jonathan Stupar.
He's had an impressive first week of camp, there's no doubt about it.  But Stupar isn't going to make the team just because Corey McIntyre doesn't.  The Bills are going no-huddle, after all, and with Derek Schouman and Derek Fine on the roster, the blocking niche that so perfectly suits Stupar is pretty well handled.  He's got a shot, but he's also at a disadvantage in the numbers game.

DE Copeland Bryan. Buffalo's coaches love this guy.  Right now, however, he's hurt, and he's facing long odds simply because he's the sixth end off the bench when Maybin gets in.

LB Marcus Buggs. When John DiGiorgio was lost for the season, Buggs immediately saw some second-team reps at middle linebacker.  That's likely to continue.  He's a small player, but he's also a very physical player.  The team likes that about him.  But they're going to keep Pat Thomas, as he has good, old-fashioned NFL experience, and I'm guessing the team will prefer numbers at other positions over a seventh linebacker.

LB Ashlee Palmer. As with every non-starting linebacker right now, Palmer has seen reps with the second and third units.  He's quite possibly the most athletic linebacker on the squad.  His game needs a lot of polish, however, so while he has an outside shot at making the roster, he's far more likely to land on the practice squad - if another team doesn't claim him for their own roster, that is.

FS Ko Simpson. Explained above.  See John Wendling.

As always, your comments are welcome - as are your own predictions.

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You cut Corey McIntyre and didn’t put Stupar on the active roster? I guess I can see that but don’t be surprised if Stupar makes the team outright. He has been lights out.

Interesting call on Scott. He’s been getting all the second team reps opposite Bell and has looked good, though it’s just practice.

Buggs is a dark horse right now to make the team but I agree with you they will take Thomas over him. Poz, Kawika, Ellison, Harris, Thomas, Bowen looks like the right six.

It has been interesting to note that Simpson is the third safety on the field over Wilson and Wendling. I would not be surprised if it was Simpson who stayed and Wendling who went even though I personally like Wendling better.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 1, 2009 7:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha. Oh, I know that Stupar could make the team. I’ve been saying it for weeks. :)

In the end, I still left him off because I firmly believe the coaches will focus more reserve resources on the defensive side of the ball. Keeping Scott was the final kicker.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 1, 2009 8:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I know you wouldn't be surprised...

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 1, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

lynch suspension

i am hopeful that an eventless summer will go a long way to improving the chances the 3 games is reduced to 1 for lynch… i know that its not likely but brandon Marshall last year had his reduced to 1 game and lynch is hopefully showing he deserves to play

Also a side note dont u guys think that the bills are so lucky/good that they never have to pick top ten in the draft… top ten picks aresso prohibitivley expensive and weve gotten the 11th pick two years in a row and what was lynch 12? i think so its just nice to be good enuff to save ur franchise a ton of money in the draft not saying that what their trying to do but it has happened …i know Jauron isnt popular but i think its hard to argue with the moves he has made they just havent gotten it done on the field

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by BRIANMULHALL on Aug 1, 2009 8:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Whitner cost us thirty million. He was by far the most expensive (obviously). The unfortunate byproduct of that “luck” as you put it is that we’re sacrificing some talent. Oh, and wins.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 1, 2009 8:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

$30 million for that? I totally forgot how ridiculous his contract is compared to his play…

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by Kurupt on Aug 1, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

whitner

he was an eith overall and that was in 2006 i was talking about the last three and u really believe that talent is sharply different from the 11th or 12th pick as complared to the top ten? i dont and the risk in terms of money spent is much more of solid bet … also im not sure if i understand the wins part of ur commnet how ar we sacrificing wins by drafting just outside the top ten my comment simply meant that even though are seasons havent been good i think we are lucky that in terms of our placement in the draft we never have to pay top ten money

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by BRIANMULHALL on Aug 1, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say Youboty goes ahead of Reggie Corner. JMO

by dzil on Aug 1, 2009 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I say the opposite based on how they’ve rotated in camp. But that could quickly change once the games start.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 1, 2009 8:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If memory serves the Bills dressed only two RBs for several games in 2008. Why, when everyone is fresh, would the Bills not do the same during Lynch’s suspension? Giving Hall the boot would allow the Bills to keep one of the guys you have as being cut for the duration (hopefully still only 1 game depending on the appeal) of his time in the Commish’s doghouse.

Also, keeping one of those guys, say Simpson/Wendling, through the first couple of games makes it less likely that Simpson/Wendling would be claimed by other teams. When inevitable injuries occur, Simpson/Wendling could then be added to the roster again. As for Hall, we already know that no one would be picking him up off the waiver wire.

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by Ron From NM on Aug 1, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed about Hall.....keep Stupar instead

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by Joe P. on Aug 1, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who do you cut when Lynch returns then?

Stupar? If Hall is kept, at least we know who the cut would be!

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by Kurupt on Aug 1, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why worry about that now. Cross that bridge when we come to it. We might not have to cut anyone

Edwards will most likely be on IR after the Pats game :-)

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by Joe P. on Aug 1, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t really have any qualms with this. I would love to see Stupar make the final 53, but I think you’re probably right in that he’ll be a casualty of numbers. I really liked what I saw from him the other night.

You don’t have Jenkins making the roster or one of the last 5 out? If I was Jauron (and thankfully, I am not), I would be more inclined to risk making it through Lynch’s suspension with two RB’s and keep Jenkins on the team. He’s excellent on special teams and he’s getting some real quality reps with Scuba Steve and Hardy out.

Hearsay report: The other night when I was at camp, there were a few old guys sitting behind me, one of whom attended some “quarterback club” dinner in a tent on the other side of the field prior to practice. Apparently, Jauron spoke at the dinner and there was some short Q&A. One of the questions was “Which young player has impressed you the most so far?” and Jauron responded without hesitation, “Jon Corto.” If that story is true, it is both slightly ridiculous and disappointing that Jon Corto has been the most impressive young player in camp thus far.

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by thatguy34 on Aug 1, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Good point on Jenkins

but I’d only consider keeping him if Hardy is still on PUP and/or him and Johnson are slow to get back on the field. Jenkins is an above average ST player, but his role (gunner) can be filled by a number of guys including Wendling, Stevie, Youboty, Corner, Florence, Lankster, Bowen, etc. I’d only consider keeping Jenkins if it might be necessary to play him on O, not for his ST’s ability.

I totally agree on Corto. As much as I appreciate his story and how hard he’s worked, we shouldn’t be keeping an undersized (and I mean undersized) LB like him, especially when we have other young OLB’s that have been looking good in camp (Harris, Palmer, maybe Bowen). No team is going to pick him up when we cut him, so in case of injuries, he can always be re-signed down the road. I’d rather keep the far superior athletes with the potential to start down the road than him.

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 1, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is about as good a guess on the final roster as anyone could make now. My only change would be to put Alvin Bowen on the PS (he has had a pretty weak camp so far) and replace him with Jon Corto (who is much more likely to contribute on Special Teams than Bowen). I also wonder if Marcus Buggs will beat out Pat Thomas for the ILB back-up spot. That could happen despite Thomas’s experience.

I would also make a few changes on the depth chart, putting Kirk Chambers ahead of Andy Levitre as the starter at LG. As I noted in a comment I posted yesterday, Levitre looks very small when compared to the other guys on the o-line. That was confirmed by what Mark Gaughn said in his Live Chat yesterday (on the Buff News website). Gaughn observed that Levitre reported to camp at 297 lbs instead of his listed weight of 305. Gaughn also emphasized what I observed yesterday — that Levitre has very “stout” and powerful legs. What Levitre doesn’t have and badly needs is more heft in his upper body. I’m sure he can address these problems in the offseason conditioning program, but until that happens he is going to be at a disadvantage in the competition to start, which is why Chambers may beat him out for this year. I also suspect that Chris Ellis may creep up the depth chart faster than most people expect.

by Macktruck on Aug 1, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Thomas had been getting reps ahead of Buggs for the most part so far. Both have played some second team MLB. I have been keeping an eye on it (and Brian poked fun at me) and I will continue to keep track.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 1, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve got Lydell making the practice squad? Nice, I’m glad to see he’s catching on, to some degree, somewhere.

Do you have Walker miles ahead of Bell, or is that gap narrower? Just curious.

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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Aug 1, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I saw Scott and was like….whaaaaaaaaaaa? But your reasoning is legit and it makes sense to keep him. With three guys who have never taken an NFL snap, it might be good to hang on to a young vet with some playing/starting experience. If we can squeeze the 9th OL in there without hurting another position, then Scott has a good shot.

What about Hamdan? Why does he get to keep making the team when he stinks? I’d rather go with 2 QB’s and a roster spot elsewhere. I know he’s Trent’s BFF but we might want to consider keeping a player that might actually help the team…

I’d have to believe Ko Simpson is ahead of George Wilson and Wendling. He’s been the third safety, as mentioned, and he’s actually a pretty good ST player in his own right. I think he’s stunk since he got into the league, but he’s better than Wilson/Wendling defensively, while being nearly as good or as good on ST’s, so he should be ahead of them…

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by Kurupt on Aug 1, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

What about Hamdan? Why does he get to keep making the team when he stinks? I’d rather go with 2 QB’s and a roster spot elsewhere. I know he’s Trent’s BFF but we might want to consider keeping a player that might actually help the team…

Gotta agree with you here, K. If Hamdan is so important to Trent’s psyche, pay him to hang around and do film study with Trent as an ass’t QB coach or something (could BFF be a paid position?). I’d also like to see something better out of the 2nd QB spot. But that’s been beaten to death here too.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 1, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could be extremely correct about Simpson. I almost gave him a roster spot. I still give the very slight edge to Wilson though. Looks like that could change soon though.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 1, 2009 6:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wilson on special teams. Simpson has been getting third reps on defense. If I had to guess now I would say Simpson makes it as a backup safety and Wilson as Special teams and back up safety with Wendling getting the axe.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 1, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hamdan sticks around because Trent gets injured. Crazy Legs Fitzpatrick will run around and try to make something happen and that is a risky type of backup QB behavior because there is increased injury potential. Hamdan stays because we might need him. Who comes in if Fitzy gets injured? Parrish? Yeesh.

by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 2, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

the bills have the best backfield in the nfl (1-3). yes, better than san diego’s, oakland’s, or tennessee’s.

by chaucer on Aug 1, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I might say Dallas’ is the best 1-3

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 1, 2009 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Who does Dallas have after Jones?

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 1, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tashard Choice. Marion Barber is the starter.

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 2, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Felix Jones, too…

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 2, 2009 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who does Dallas have after Jones?

:-)

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 2, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Come on Brian

don’t you read anything!!!

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 2, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, ’twas a joke. Office inspired.

Angela (to Phyllis): “You look sick.”
Kevin (to Phyllis): “And… sick!”

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 2, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talk about your random Office references….

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 2, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me that still makes our 1-2-3 better then Dallas. I honestly rank us second in the NFL in RB’s behind the Giants, thats how talented I think we are this year.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 3, 2009 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Giants?

Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw…and???? Andre Brown, Danny Ware? No way!

I think Dallas has a much better blend of RB’s. They have the hard running, between the tackles grinder in Barber. They have the big play threat that can do a variety of things in the running game, passing game and return games in Jones. And they have a quality all-around back in Choice that proved he is more than capable of handling a full load if necessary in Choice. They compliment each other quite well. We’re right there with them, but I think their variety gives them a slight bump.

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 3, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didnt know you posted on the bills blog too

anyways i think you may be right, but the top 1-3 in the league arent very apart from each other in this league, that said i think the bills definitely deserve to be in the discussion of who has the best.

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 1, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of the blue comment, but...

Does anyone else think that Byrd looks a lot like CB4 of the Toronto Raptors?

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 1, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

The hair...

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 2, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

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