Owens highlights growing Bills injury list
The big news out of Buffalo this morning is, of course, the toe injury of Buffalo Bills WR Terrell Owens. After spraining his toe at an undisclosed point in the Bills' 21-18 loss to the Tennessee Titans in the Hall of Fame Game, Owens missed the Bills' Tuesday walk-through as well as their evening practice. Head Coach Dick Jauron described Owens as "day to day," and would not speculate on whether or not the star receiver will play in this Saturday's pre-season contest against the Chicago Bears.
Unfortunately for Buffalo, Owens isn't the only player injured. Fellow WR Steve Johnson, who returned to practice late last week after a rib injury sidelined him, re-injured the rib when he got tangled up with rookie CB Cary Harris in a drill on Tuesday. Harris landed on Johnson to re-aggravate the injury; from what Johnson told BuffaloBills.com last night, he will likely miss practices for the rest of this week as well as his second straight pre-season game.
Injuries seem to be a constant issue in Buffalo, and it's for that reason that the Bills have had to sign six street free agents over the past few weeks. C Christian Gaddis is the latest, joining WR Shaine Smith, DE Ataefiok Etukeren, DT Derrick Jones, DT Corey Mace and S Antwain Spann as players that have joined the Bills since training camp opened on July 25. However, one injured player did return to the field last night - and as he's a key figure on a revamped offensive line, Brad Butler's return is an important one.
Keeping track of the O-Line
Butler participated fully for the first time since injuring his back early last week, and looked good as he re-assumed his spot as the starting right tackle. It's still unclear if he'll play this Saturday - the coaches and trainers will likely wait to see how his back responds to a full practice load - but for now, the return is good news. Meanwhile, Butler's understudy, Demetrius Bell - who has impressed this pre-season - took reps with the second unit at left tackle.
With Butler back in the fold, Buffalo's entire offensive line is once again healthy. The more they play together this pre-season, the better.
Linebacker dinged, too
Arguably the most impressive Bills linebacker in the Hall of Fame Game was undrafted rookie free agent Ashlee Palmer. It would figure, therefore, that Palmer suffered a severe ankle sprain in the game and could be looking at missing a significant chunk of practice time. Alvin Bowen took his reps with the second unit on the weak side (as well as a few reps on the strong side with the third unit).
Meanwhile, BuffaloBills.com reports that Pat Thomas and Marcus Buggs continue to flip-flop with the second and third units at middle linebacker. Buggs started with the second unit against the Titans; it's therefore logical that Thomas is gearing up to get those reps against the Bears. This is one of the more unique battles going on at the moment; no matter the winner, both of these guys have excellent opportunities to make the final roster.
More lineup changes to note
Aaron Schobel continues to get a lighter work load, but rather than Ryan Denney taking his first-team reps last night - as usually happens - Chris Ellis took those reps, and took advantage of the opportunity by registering two would-be sacks on Trent Edwards, cleanly beating Langston Walker on both plays. That's what we like to hear. Now we just need to see it in a game.
RB Xavier Omon, who impressed against the Titans, was injured in practice and missed some reps. The injury is not considered serious, but Bruce Hall gladly took his reps.
With Owens and Johnson missing time, Josh Reed, Roscoe Parrish and Justin Jenkins shot up the depth chart. Jenkins has had a strong camp and pre-season, and other than an ugly pass interference call against Tennessee, has impressed. Ponder for a moment, however, the prospect of the Bills playing any meaningful games without Owens. Who wouldn't mind if T.O. sat out the rest of the pre-season? We're not advocating it. It's just a thought.
CB Ashton Youboty continues to sit with a lingering groin injury. Three cornerbacks with whom Youboty is jockeying for time - Drayton Florence, Reggie Corner and Ellis Lankster - continue to reap the benefits of his sitting out.
Wednesday
Buffalo has a practice scheduled for the early afternoon on Wednesday. It is doubtful that players such as Owens, Johnson and Palmer will practice. Butler should continue to work; it will also be interesting to see if Youboty returns to action.
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I don't want to see owens out all preaeason,
but i would like to see only 1 or 2 drives.
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by billsoferie on Aug 12, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It also bothers me that
Chris Ellis is cleanly beating LW
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by billsoferie on Aug 12, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that kind of stuck out to me as well. I didn’t realize that Ellis had the kind of speed that gives Walker trouble. Of course, it could have been more quickness than outright speed; jumping back to the inside after making it seem he would run around the edge.
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by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Walker was surprised by Ellis' unexpected flash of effort and talent?
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Ellis only had one sack vs. Langston, the other came on Scott with Trent still at qb. This was evident in the video and Brown confirmed it.
by eze on Aug 12, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harris landed on Johnson to re-aggravate the injury;
At least we have now heard something about Cary Harris.
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by sireric on Aug 12, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that he couldn’t cleanly stop a still injured Johnson on a pass play in practise. Harris has PS written all over him.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or “Cut”
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by thefourwinds on Aug 12, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think that they would give him a year on the PS before cutting him, but yeah being cut is a very good possibility at this point.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
out completely...no, limited exposure..... definitely
Who wouldn’t mind if T.O. sat out the rest of the pre-season? We’re not advocating it. It’s just a thought.
One series per game, perhaps one quarter in the final preseason game…. there are a few others that might fall into this category as well…… besides, less for opponents to scout
by Scott In Jax on Aug 12, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there are a few others that might fall into this category as well
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by J2 on Aug 12, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trent, Evans, Schobel and McGee should all be on that list as well.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree about Edwards. He needs all the time that can be given to him. This season is a HUGE one for him.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 12, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh agreed, he needs as much prep work and practise as possible. But we all know of his injury history and I see now point in exposing him if we don’t have to. The coaching staff needs to find a good balance between giving him enough playing time without exposing him for too long. Idealy I would put him in for a quarter in the next 3 pre-season games and MAYBE the first half of the last game, but no more.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't looked at it...
but can anyone comment on if the Bills’ number of injuries is above, below, or on par with the rest of the league? You begin to wonder whether its a systematic cause for all of this (easy practices, strength and conditions program, Buffalo city water, chicken wings?). I’d be interested to see how we stack up to the league….
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by The Biscuit on Aug 12, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Typical
These are just typical Camp injuries…..I would say lighter than most just based on what I read. Minor things. Too bad about Palmer—he was really making an impression. If TO can’t go on Saturday—we’re gonna be short on wideouts. Good opportunity for some of the young guys.
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by Geronimo on Aug 12, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too add, Palmer, T.O.‘s toe, and Johnson’s ribs, have more to do with the fact that they are playing a contact sport, and little to do with conditioning.
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by sireric on Aug 12, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
duly noted, but not necassarly. If you’re wearing down and your lungs aren’t getting enough oxygen to your blood and in turn your muscles (or if you’re just tired all around), your body can’t brace and react quick enough to an impending stress in order to protect itself, no matter how big your muscles are. Flexibility also plays a role.
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by The Biscuit on Aug 12, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually.....
Dancing is a contact sport…..football is a collision sport. Sorry—could not resist. LOL
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by Geronimo on Aug 12, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played Sir :-)
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by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well informed insider AND a comedian. This is why I love this guy. You should come back more often G, I always love your posts.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean really with the news out of the Bucs and Panthers camps our injuries aren’t bad – both Antonia Bryant and Steve Smith will miss all of preseason and maybe even the first regular season game…
by Ghetts on Aug 12, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Owens
I don’t want him to sit out the preseason. Idle hands, and all that…. I’d rather have him involved on a limited basis, get some receptions in every game and hopefully a TD or two before the start of the regular season.
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by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it would mean he sits this game and then will be ready for the game vs. the Pack.
by eze on Aug 12, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palmer was the best LBer
I thought Poz played better than Palmer and I thought Harris outplayed him as well.
by eze on Aug 12, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alvin Bowen took his reps with the second unit on the weak side
Man if Bowen is down to replacing a undrafted FA on the second unit then I don’t think he has much time left on this team. I think that Brian was dead on when he said that Bowen will be released.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So we’ve got Thomas backing up Poz and Harris backing up/competing with Ellison. Who’s backing up Mitchell?
by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 12, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palmer was, and both Thomas and Buggs were taking reps on the outside apparently. Basicly all indications are pointing to Bowen’s days as a Bill being numbered.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i take the ellis news as a good sign
And I still like him as a long term answer at De. I know people are down on him after a no show rookie year but he was a third rounder and its hard to adjust to the strength and agility of nfl tackles. Ill wager he has a greater impact than maybin, is 6 sacks in a rotation too optimistic for ellis? I think its doable
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by poz on Aug 12, 2009 11:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, if he can really take the practice into the game. And I also think it might be good if Ellis really starts to flash some stuff on Walker. It will give Kruger more time to work with Walker about some quick moves. Esepcially since Butler is back in I think he might be spending last time with Bell – feel free to correct me if I am off on any of these-
by Ghetts on Aug 12, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Poz but I think that 6 sacks (which would have lead our team last year) is overly optimistic for Ellis THIS year. If he somehow manages to stick around, then I think it would be doable next year. But it’s a stretch that he’d do that this year.
I do expect him to greatly improve over last year if he sticks around though, but even that isn’t a garantee at this point.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think 4 sacks for Ellis would be optimistic.
by Dyl on Aug 12, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 sacks for any of our DE’s might be optimistic…
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by Kurupt on Aug 12, 2009 2:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Ellis is going to need an injury just to be active on gamedays. Buffalo can’t squeeze 5 DEs onto the 45 actives. I’d be happy with Ellis making the team and earning the coaches trust enough to play a significant rotational role if somebody goes down. Any production beyond a sack or two would be a bonus.
by kaisertown on Aug 12, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree. He would definitely need to really WOW the coaches just to be active.
by Ghetts on Aug 12, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind seeing TO not have a heavy work load this preseason only because from what we saw in the Titans game it looks like his timing with Trent and his over all skill are doing well. However I really wish Stevie would be healthy to be able to take those reps. I think besides Hardy, Stevie can learn the most from TO.
Also I hope if he is on the sidelines Hardy is all over him like fly on sh@t to work on his skills.
by Ghetts on Aug 12, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't an Impact by Ellis be Awesome for our Defense.
I am a Kelsey and Denny fan. The fact is though the pressure just isn’t there during obvious passing downs. We don’t need to settle for a wild card berth, if we could get the pressure on opposing QB’s ie Tom Brady, than play for the division title. I am still not expecting two much here. Ellis and Maybin are really the only two differences, plus Schobel’s return from injury, that we have to look forward too.
Maybe reviewing the game film some of these players are realizing that they are missing out on a great opportunity to contribute. Wouldn’t it be nice to see Ellis take advantage of that, then work on it in practice on an everyday routine. He will get alot of PT during the preseason, this is his time to show stuff in games. If this works he then needs to bring it to the practice field so the rest of the team can benefit from his skill and athleticism.
by VanScottM on Aug 12, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Palmer
really saddens me….that kid was a beast, and was just making plays all over…would have loved to have him for teams and to develop this year
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by MARVelous on Aug 12, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still thinks that he has a better chance at making this team then Bowen does, injury and all.
is Palmer PS eligible?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he is, he is a UDFA in his rookie year, the only issue is we might not be able to sneak him onto it
If he keeps having a really good preseason. It will all depend on his ankle injury of course, if he is out indefinetly, we probably could pull that off, if he is back next week, Bowen might not be around long. For those claiming how bad it would be for him to make the team over Bowen, let me point out a guy for you, Jason Peters, UDFA as well….
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by WABillsfan on Aug 12, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta hope the TO toe injury is minor. These things can linger and be problematic all season. If he’s not healthy, neither is our offense.
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by Kurupt on Aug 12, 2009 12:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if DJ and Fewell saw something they liked out of Ellis during the preseason game to earn him those first team reps?
So the LB depth chart as of now goes:
Mitchell – Poz – Ellison
Bowen – Thomas/Buggs – N. Harris
Corto – Thomas/Biggs – Bowen
Is Harris seeing any time on the third team too? Does Buggs actually have a shot at being the first LB off the bench if Poz misses any time?
by kaisertown on Aug 12, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they realize how desperate they are for help at DE and are trying to figure out ASAP if Ellis can help. Its probably also to cover for Maybin who won’t be playing any time soon.
My guess is Thomas would be the 4th LB and first off the bench due to experience. Unless one of the others really steps up, my money would be on Thomas…
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by Kurupt on Aug 12, 2009 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be willing to wager that as well, abnd I wouldn’t put too much stock in Bowen taking reps on the second team either. If Thomas and Buggs are splitting time as MLB on the second team, my guess is whoever loses the battle has a better chance of landing that backup OLB role over Bowen. Personally I’m hoping that we keep Buggs and put him on the outside.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d imagine Harris is ahead of Bowen. Thomas might be too as I think he has OLB experience. Palmer when healthy was ahead of Bowen too. I’d still be surprised if Bowen made this team.
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by Kurupt on Aug 12, 2009 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Your echoing my thoughts there K.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How long is Palmer supposed to be out? It doesn’t sound like the devastating full season injury we were hearing about. Either way, it sounds like he’ll miss too much time to win a job. I don’t know if I can see the team keeping him after playing in just one preseason game. Gotta see more than that. Fortunately, there’s a good chance he could be waived/cut without anyone snatching him up, so the PS to start out with would be a good idea…
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by Kurupt on Aug 12, 2009 2:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I was really impressed with what i saw against the Titans. I think that with a year on the PS (or half a year considering his injury) he could develop into a really good sub/ST guy. I really hope that we hold onto him.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of injuries, BUT...
There have been a lot of injuries, but so far, it terms of overall team success, none have been devastating. You hate to see anybody get hurt, especially young guys with potential (e.g. Palmer). That said, the team has been fortunate enough that none of their stars are key starters have gone down for an extended period of time. Butler missed a little over a week, T.O.‘s toe injury doesn’t seem overly series (and lets face it, he can afford to take extra time to let it heal properly – we know what we have in him, and the coaches know what he means to the offense). Other than that, the most serious injuries have been reserved to guys farther down on the depth chart. Again, you hate to see it happen to anybody, but it could be a lot worse.
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by jri111 on Aug 12, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Youbuty, really really needs to hope that Cary Harris doesn't have the light go on for him anytime this week
If he keeps sitting and Harris makes some sudden strides he could be looking at a pink slip out of town either as a cut or a trade, sitting with what many are now saying is a realtively minor groin injury is not good for you if your on the bubble, especially with Florence, Corner and Lankster lighting the field up…
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by WABillsfan on Aug 12, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They might stuff Youboty on the PUP list if necessary to buy some time to make a decision on who stays and who goes.
Personally, I think Cary Harris gets cut. He’s shown very little to date, and OBD isn’t going to lose sleep over a 6th rounder getting cut.
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by Blitz on Aug 13, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A player must begin camp on the PUP list in order to be on the list. Youboty can’t be PUP.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 13, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the same list where the team gets the first six weeks of the regular season to see if a player will return from injury? This is the list I was really thinking about.
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