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Of course, the whispers that the Bills have been sniffing around backup quarterback options is related directly to Mike Vick. That's unlikely. But the fact that they're sniffing around quarterbacks is interesting unto itself.

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jeesh you got that up quick

I just saw the tweet, read the article and came to the site to post, but you already had something up! haha, good stuff.

Two observation (and you’ve pretty much already hit on them)

1. The Vick stuff is bogus and getting old. Florio just can’t seem to let it go. It ain’t happening!!

2. That said, I can see the team sniffing around back-up QBs. I haven’t been able to follow training camp as much as I’d like, but from what I’ve heard and seen from Fitz, he leaves a lot to be desired. Does anybody have a list of QBs still available? Maybe Farve will take a back-up role (JOKING!!).

John I.

by jri111 on Aug 12, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Vick stuff is bogus and getting old. Florio just can’t seem to let it go. It ain’t happening!!

I know that Russ said no to Vick – but Jerry Jones also said TO was going to stay there. It’s tough beleiving these guys when a lot of them flip flop. i’m not saying that Vick is still an option here – but it sure wouldn’t surprise me if Brandon did a 180 on that

I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying

by J2 on Aug 12, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

russ didnt say no. he just said not right now. he may have thought the bills were set wit their qbs but maybe their not now.

by billsstein on Aug 12, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Via KFFL

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Check it out.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 13, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You beat me to it, Brian. You might want to erase the story I just put up.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To me, by the way, the most interesting aspect to it was the concession by the PFT author that Vick might not fit into Buffalo’s no-huddle attack. Frankly, I don’t think he has the mental agility to handle it.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Griese!!!!!

I would love for the Bills to sign Griese. He would be a muh better bakup then Fity and ould atually teah Trent a thing or two… or ten.

And if these reports are correct then it would mean that the FA is also realizing that Fitzy might not be the QB that they thought he was (which is plain to see for most of us).

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The stench at backup QB

has finally made it to the FO. Better late than never? Who have they been sniffing around? Come on….we want the details!!!!!

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They should’ve taken Brian Hoyer in the draft and this wouldn’t be a problem.

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by sireric on Aug 12, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your darn right!!

Haha…..did you really think I would fall for that? Hoyer might not be better than Fitz or Hamdan this season, but maybe next season you could see him backing up Brady. How about we trade Youbody for your boy Josh Johnson?

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=4706

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would do that in a second. Not only is he a good QB, but lets not forget that JJ is Marshawn’s cousin. Having family nearby could be a good thing for him.

No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.

by sireric on Aug 12, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should say, good QB project.

No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.

by sireric on Aug 12, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed. Now, tell Brian to call Russ.

I will be needing a small commission for putting this deal together.

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or a really, really, really bad one…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 12, 2009 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly.

"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
"In my heart, I know I'm funny." Lt Steven Hauk, Good Morning Vietnam - 1987

by thefourwinds on Aug 12, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am with sireric...

Josh Johnson can play QB, he has all the tools but was raw coming out of SD…he has been a favorite of mine for a while, I trade for him in Madden… : )

by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 13, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where there's smoke....

something is going to happen, and with Jauron being more akin to TOny Dungy in terms of personality, there could be a fit there.
I don’t about Vick, but if you figure that you have to imagine a back up playing 1-5 games minimum for our Bills, then you want the best guy out there.
I don’t know about Vick being ready until the second half of the year….BUT, Vick can be the 3 for a while and depending on when/if Edwards does go down, you can decide then who to put in. Not to mention, if Fitz is taking a dump on the field, you have nothing to lose than having the engineer of a record breaking rushing offense out there in charge of your team

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Aug 12, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Vick is the best available guy out there as far as overall talent goes, but that doesn’t mean that he’s the best guy for us. I for one think that he has nowhere hear the smarts to run our no-huddle offense, and thats what we should be looking for in a backup.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Segal Connection?

Here’s some rank speculation for you:

Segal, who represents both Maybin and Vick, uses Maybin to get the Bills to sign Vick to a one year deal. Sure, it’s blatantly self serving but then Segal is an agent and pretty much everything they do is self serving. Maybin signs a 5 year/ $26 million deal—which is pretty much the consensus ‘fair’ deal—before Crabtree finally gets his deal done and Buffalo agrees to sign Vick to a 1 year deal for $2ish million.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

More fuel for the speculation fire

PFT is reporting that Crabtree is likely to hold out into September. If OBD wants Maybin in the fold before the season starts then Segal might have more leverage than he otherwise would: get Maybin to sign for a reasonable deal and get Vick an opportunity to ‘prove’ himself.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won’t rest easy until Vick is signed somewhere else.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd!

I think your 100% corect on that. And we seem to be agreeing on a lot in the last few days. There is absolutly no way that I want to see Vick in a Bills uniform.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy, everyone sure hates ole' doggkiller.

I bet when it gets down to it, Marshawn is just as big of a problem causer as Vick is and everyone loves him. Vick has been rehabilitated. Everyone deserves a second chance.

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by taskersd on Aug 12, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My not wanting Vick on the Bills has NOTHING to do with what he did off the feild. I am a firm believer that he has paid his debt to society and should get a second shot (if he earns it on the feild).

Why i don’t want him in a Bills uniform is because of the type of QB he is. We run a no-huddle offense, that means our QB needs to be very accurate and a very good decision maker and a better game manager. Vick is none of those. His accuracy is horrible (he couldn’t hit the wide side of a barn), his decision making skills are worst and he has never managed a game in his life.

Don’t get me wrong, Vick is a terrific athelete, he’s just a horrible fit for the Bills.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree. I don't think he "deserves" to be given anything. Let him take a year to earn the chance.

I am done with the topic of Vick. I am not getting drawn into this debate again.

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m on the second chance boat, although my comments really aren’t aimed at what Vick did. I was more referring to the situation. If Segal and Maybin are willing to hitch the signing of Maybin’s rookie deal to getting Vick signed and are willing to face the same stigma as Vick, then they deserve any of the scorn they get.

By the way, I couldn’t imagine this would be the case. Why would any player, especially a rookie want to be viewed alongside Vick, then they are friggin nutty.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 12, 2009 5:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Segal or OBD would be real open about how it all worked out. I’m just seeing that the same agent represents both and that (a) Buffalo really wants Maybin to sign and (b) Segal really wants a home for Vick that doesn’t involve random full body cavity searches.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just for the record, I also think Lynch is just a nightmare waiting to happen.

I am for Vick having opportunities, but don’t think Vick is capable of running a no-huddle attack like the Bills are creating.

"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
"In my heart, I know I'm funny." Lt Steven Hauk, Good Morning Vietnam - 1987

by thefourwinds on Aug 12, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wondering why?

“Just for the record, I also think Lynch is just a nightmare waiting to happen.”

Any reason you would like to offer to support this? He has done far less (trouble wise) than others in the NFL, freakin’ Marvin Harrison has been shooting people in Philly. Stallworth has been playing real life GTA. B. Marshall’s been beatin’ girls up and actin like an all-around idiot. Lynch was involved in a minor traffic accident that was blown out of porportion due to horrible legal advice and was detained in Cali for sitting in a car, yes I know there was some weed in the car and a gun in the trunk, but almost every player in the league smokes pot, and the gun was in a locked container. He isn’t some thug from Oakland, I know, when he was at Cal, so was I. he is far from a trouble-maker.

by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 13, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marvin Harrison’s gun was involved in a shooting. Not necessarily Harrison.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 13, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you’re looking for a double-blind study on why, no, I can’t offer you that. But it’s my responsibility to know people, what makes them tick, their motivations, etc. So I offer you my hunches and a little analysis.

Lynch comes across as just about the biggest doofus in the world, with very little sense that his actions have consequences. He has said all the right words, but his actions indicate that he doesn’t understand one of these not-so-serious incidents could easily become a serious incident under just slightly different circumstances (e.g. what if he had actually run over the that lady last year? It wouldn’t have taken much of a difference in circumstances).

Look at what happened in practice the other day, with Lynch trash-talking his own team for an hour, until it brought them to blows. Yes, it’s good to see that the Bills actually have a little fire in them, but there’s yet another scenario where Lynch’s doofus personality could easily lead to a more serious incident.

IMO, it’s only a matter of time before one of these extremely minor occurrences leads to a major incident. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong, and I hope I am. But I’m not holding my breath that Lynch has “learned his lesson.”

"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
"In my heart, I know I'm funny." Lt Steven Hauk, Good Morning Vietnam - 1987

by thefourwinds on Aug 14, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Gregg Rosenthal serious?
The Bills have practiced almost exclusively in the no huddle during camp, and I’ll let the readers and league insiders out there decide if Vick would be a good fit for that offense. He couldn’t be much more different in profile from Edwards and Fitzpatrick.

Yes, Vick can be VERY different from Edwards. Edwards is a game manager type who has an accurate throwing arm and makes good quick decisions. Vick is a lifetime 52% passer who when he doesn’t see someone open, takes off running. These two are very different types of QBs.

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by sireric on Aug 12, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No no. He literally meant that Vick could not be more different than Edwards. He was saying that they ARE different.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 12, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

doh!

I read that twice just to make sure I wasn’t reading it wrong. I must have read it wrong twice.

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by sireric on Aug 12, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must have read it wrong twice.

Double whammy! Ouch.

"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
"In my heart, I know I'm funny." Lt Steven Hauk, Good Morning Vietnam - 1987

by thefourwinds on Aug 12, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I’m about as surprised as Florio is annoying. The day the team signed Fitzpatrick is the day they should gave been sniffing around for other backups. If Trent were to go down for a few games, right now our season would probably go down with him. We need someone better than Fitz, unfortunately there might not be much out there…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 12, 2009 4:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I think Losman has until September 1st to back out of his UFL deal. I’m sure that’s where you were going with that…

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all. Losman is dead and gone to this franchise.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 12, 2009 4:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn’t being serious…

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what i'm talking about!!

haha, I think most of the Buffalo community would collectively implode!

John I.

by jri111 on Aug 12, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who would you take?

Michael Vick
JP Losman
Brian Griese
Gus Frerotte
Cleo Lemon
Quinn Gray
Brad Johnston
Brooks Bollinger

That’s a scary list…I guess I will just pray for Edwards health.

by BuffaloWill on Aug 12, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah it is

Although, I’ve always liked Quincy Gray. I don’t know if the no-huddle would be a great fit for him though.

John I.

by jri111 on Aug 12, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You con probably cross Frerotte off that list too. I don’t think he’d be willing to come play for Buffalo. When he signed in Minnesota last year he did it under a compromise where he could travel home to be with his family in Tulsa for a few days each week.

Griese is somewhat intruiging, but he’s the only guy I would consider.

by kaisertown on Aug 12, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about my Josh Johnson for Youbody trade idea?

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I personally think we need a veteran back-up, a game manager and someone who has played a good amount. I’d have to go with Griese myself from that list, but overall, yuck. Hope someone decent gets cut somewhere.

by thejimbo on Aug 12, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not opposed to Griese

Bring him in too. But I have to wonder how Johnson would stack up against Fitz and Hammy. Would anyone be upset if we axed Fitz and Hammy for Griese and Johnson? Johnson is likely to get cut and so is Youbody . Why not get something for him?

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally I’d like to keep Hammy around for a bit longer, I liked what I saw out of him last weekend, he looked better then Fitzy IMO.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't see the game

If that is true and Fitz is not the player the Bills thought, then cut Fitz and let Hammy and Josh Johnson duke it out.

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t mind seeing that at all… but I’d still prefer a seasoned vet. Mind you there is something to be said about thinking ahead at the QB position.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pardon my ignorance...

Who is Josh Johnson?

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by thefourwinds on Aug 12, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was someone sireric had on his mock draft two years ago

I believe he had a side bet with someone here that Johnson would be drafted before ? (I can’t remember the other QB). sireric won the bet and whoever lost (again, can’t remember) had to write a fanpost detailing sireric’s greatness.

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sireric vs.Foreign Arrow

Johnson vs. Andre Woodson

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by sireric on Aug 12, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh Johnson is a QB who was drafted by Tampa Bay in the 5thround last year. He is famous around these parts thanks to me. I put up a mock draft that had the Bills taking him in the 3rd round, needless to say it didn’t go over well.

view the carnage here

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by sireric on Aug 12, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good times :-)
sireric, God is calling
he wants to give you the draft order. They rest of us will have to rely on the mock drafts of people who take the time and effort to pick contrary to how the draft will actually go down.

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would come down to between Brian Griese and Brad Johnson for me. Neither has impressive physical tools anymore, but both are very intelligent game managing QB’s that could probably take over our no-huddle if they needed too.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brad Johnson is older than dirt! And is about as mobile. He wouldn't live to see the 2nd half.

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but Griese would still be a good idea.

My point is that I don’t just want a QB thats smart enough to run the no-huddle, I also want one with enough experience to teach Trent a few things.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be best, but isn't that what the coach is for?

AVP is an ex-QB after all.

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And so is Schonert. Granted, AVP and Turk barely have more starts between them than Trent already has, but they’ve been playing/coaching the position for a long time. I’ve never understood the tutor thing. I’d bet there is no correlation between young starting QBs success and how knowledgeable and experienced his backups are.

by kaisertown on Aug 12, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brad Johnson looked finished in Dallas last year. He was 41 for 78 (52%), 427 yards (5.5 per attempt) and threw 2 TDs and 5 INTs in 2.5 games before getting benched in favor of Brooks Bollinger. Johnson also got sacked 8 times. And he’s at least 40 years old.

by kaisertown on Aug 12, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed, he looked terrible.

by thejimbo on Aug 12, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was worse than terrible

I had freakin TO last year on fantasy team and Johnson could throw past 15 yrds downfield, I heard he is playing for the local V.A. team…

by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 13, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, getting benched because the team thinks Brooks Bollinger is better is about as bad as it gets.

by kaisertown on Aug 13, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about Vinny!

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by taskersd on Aug 12, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Testiverdy? Cause thats the only Vinny I’d like on my team. lol

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff George

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by MARVelous on Aug 13, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bills signed Fitzpatrick early in free agency, and clearly targeted him. So for them to change course a few weeks into training camp seems odd.

I don’t buy it, particularly Vick.

by Pistol on Aug 12, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. I’d be surprised if Buffalo signs somebody to compete with Fitzpatrick and shocked if that player were Vick.

by kaisertown on Aug 12, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trent in December? What about Vick?

My questions to all Rumblers is… when the weather gets rough in December, would you use Vick and the wild cat 30 – 50 percent of the time and Trent the other 50 – 70 percent of the time? If the weather is no factor in the late games, use Trent! If the eather is bad you can put Vick-QB and two RB in the backfield and run the wild cat instead of Roscoe. Atleast Vick will give you a throw option. We don’t have to use him if the weather is fine. We could have used Vick for 5 – 10 plays in the Cleveland snow game.

What do you guys think? Please respond.

by hilliarddavid on Aug 12, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I REMAIN.......opposed to Vick under any circumstances, at least for this season.

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t use the Wildcat 30% of the time, no matter who is running it. We’ve been practising it with Parrish and Jackson at QB to use as a trick play transitioning into our no huddle, not as any type of base offense.

The way I see us using the Wildcat is Trent throwing a quick pass, everyone running back up to the line with Trent on the outside, Prriash at QB, run the Wildcat play and the (while staying in no-huddle) having Trent return at QB.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

30 %

Was just refering to those games that might be played in really bad weather. You figure that if the weather is really bad, you would run the ball a lot anyway, so why not throw Vick back there 3 out of 10 times and see. If the weather is good, then you would only use the wild cat for 3 – 5 plays.

by hilliarddavid on Aug 13, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Geronimo??

Know if there is any truth at all to the rumor the Bills are looking at quarterbacks still (not Vick in particular)?

by thejimbo on Aug 12, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hope on the Maybin front?

PFT is speculating that the reported length of Crabtree’s holdout (into September) may prompt Raji and Maybin (taken 9th and 11th) to sign reasonable deals (which would be 5 year deals for about $32 million and $26 million respectively) instead of waiting for Parker to get it into his head that San Fran isn’t going to cave.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They can’t wait forever. At some point not too far off these players need to get into camp or pretty much lose their rookie seasons. I’d guess the crazier the Crabtree thing gets in the next few days, the more likely Maybin is to sign.

by kaisertown on Aug 12, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we can count on Parker to provide the crazy.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever they do they better do it quick if they want him to pick up the offense.

I still am not apposed to signing Vick. He is better than what we have in the back up department or the other options out there, aside from maybe Griese.

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by billsoferie on Aug 12, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d favor the Bills getting Griese any day (lots of puns to be had in there).

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 12, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we already have Wood. And he can play center too…

“Wood lines up, Griese ready to receive… Greise hands off the ball, run up the gap behind Butler…”

you get my drift.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Aug 12, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whenever I hear Griese’s name, whether it is Brian or Bob I think of this.

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by sireric on Aug 12, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

“he was” LMAO

by dzil on Aug 12, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GREAT CLIP!!!!

I was laughing so hard I couldn’t see through the tears in my eyes. rec’d.

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably been stated in here already,

but I don’t see the Vick signing happening because he “could” be out for 6 weeks. That doesn’t help the team on gameday, if they wanted or needed him. I actually don’t buy the argument that he won’t be in shape to play the game. His conditioning may be off, where he’d get winded more easily, but this is like riding a bike. Look at Vinnie Testaverde and Steve DeBerg.

Or…look at Todd Collins. The guy went nearly a decade without playing a game snap, then took the Skins’ on a decent ride 2 seasons ago.

I think all that might be holding the team back is his availability – honestly, I do. Mind you, that’s what I think.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 12, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Testaverde or DeBerg went 2 years without being on NFL teams. True, they were buried on the depth charts for long stretches…

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn’t Griese on the Bucs up through last season?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 12, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 13, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummm....

so when did Vick become a decent Q.B.? his numbers literally sucked when he was at his best.

by dzil on Aug 12, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, I don’t want Buffalo to sign Vick…..but Vick sucked his way to a playoff victory over the Packers in Green Bay and he sucked his way into the NFC title game.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

by scrambling, not through the air. Vick at QB would guarantee TO being wigged out by never seeing a catchable pass

by dzil on Aug 12, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may recall that Atlanta never saw fit to give Vick guys like Evans and Owens to throw to. He’s not a great passing QB by any stretch. However, he did win games.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need that

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone"
-Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Aug 12, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need what?

WRs like Evans and Owens? Buffalo has that.
QBs who aren’t great at passing? Buffalo has tried that; it didn’t work out too well…though Rob Johnson, JP Losman, Todd Collins and Kelly Holcomb couldn’t run nearly as quickly as Vick.
Win games? Yes, Buffalo needs that.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot Hoop Girl as a Jill :-)

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, that would be sweet but her talents would go to waste. No Jill could do what Hoop Girl does…..and keep her arm attached to her body.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, i was referring to the winning.

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by billsoferie on Aug 12, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sorry but the “Vick had no WR’s to throw to” arguments doesn’t go far with me. He had guys like Crumpler, Jenkins and White, which were all decent to very good receivers when he was in Atlanta. Plus all of his receivers saw their numbers grow when they had Leftwich and Harrington throw to them when Vick was suspended. Joey Freakin’ Harrington was throwing better passes then Vick was in Atlanta!!!!! I rest my case.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you've got it backwards

Atlanta had Crumpler at TE, a great target for any QB.

They drafted Jenkins and Roddy White. Neither developed with Vick. After Vick left, White became very good (an just resigned with the team). Jenkins also developed into a good #2 receiver who was also recently re-signed.

Mora and Co. only had Vick reading half the field, similar to how Kordell Stewart started out (and Steve Young for that matter). Vick never developed though, because after his initial read, he never matured to work through his progressions. And that held up development for both White and Jenekins.

by Der Jaeger on Aug 12, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, people were calling Roddy White a bust after his 2nd season. In the two years without VIck, White has totaled the 4th most receiving yards of any player and is only 6 yards behind Brandon Marshall for number 3. Michael Jenkins was considered a bust too with Vick around. He and White had both never had a season with 40 catches. Jenkins has had over 50 catches in the two seasons since Vick left. Vick was the problem with that passing attack, not the receivers.

by kaisertown on Aug 12, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but he did that using his feet, not his arms. We need a QB with a good head and an accurate arm, Vick has neither.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm wondering

after being so chatty the last couple of days, is Geronimo’s silence on this discussion an omen? Now I’m scaring myself…

by dzil on Aug 12, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He’s been replying on a couple of other threads.

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by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

about Vick?

by dzil on Aug 12, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, other stuff.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that’s my point. does his silence on Vick mean anything?

by dzil on Aug 12, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha. No, it does not.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 12, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks, brian. I feel better now, lol.

by dzil on Aug 12, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vick...

It really blows my mind that there is ppl out there that does not think signing Vick is a good idea…what do we have to lose? have you guys seein Fitz he’s been terrible i never think i would say this in my life but i rather have JP!!! Vick cant run the no huddle Vick’s accuracy Vick this and that…the guy may not be ur typical qb but he is a game changer and thats what we need, bring him in on certain situations and some1 had a good point when it gets cold and snowy out there ohh man it would b trouble VICK LYNCH and Jackson/Rhodes!! ru guys kidding me!

by FocusedKnowledge on Aug 12, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what do we have to lose?

our self-respect for starters.

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's a good idea.

He was a sub-par QB two years ago. How is there any way he could be as good now as he was then?

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 13, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SOME INTERESTING DEVELOPMENTS IN TAMPA COULD AFFECT US

I saw above a suggestion of trading for Josh Johnson. We may not have to, per rotoworld.com a few minutes ago:

Coach Raheem Morris says the Bucs are unlikely to keep four QBs on the roster during the regular season. First-round pick Josh Freeman and Luke McCown, who got a $2.5M signing bonus in February, are safe. Josh Johnson is the underdog, but no part of Byron Leftwich’s contract is guaranteed. Byron could still be the odd man out if Johnson plays well in preseason and McCown wins the starting job.

Hello Byron Leftwhich. Personally, I still think Byron should start for them but if they are not expecting much this season, it makes more financial sense to start McCown and let Freeman take over midseason, making Leftwich expendable. I would take Leftwich or Josh Johnson.

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by poz on Aug 12, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would like Leftwich

he would be a good back up, but thats about it, and I wouldn’t see too many people clamoring for him to start if Trent throws a couple Ints

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Aug 12, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would still dangle Youboty or even Parrish in front of them for Johnson and see if they bite

though Leftwich would be a good backup.

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they are desperate for receivers....

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by poz on Aug 12, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roscoe!

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 13, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leftwhich would be a good option at backup. His arm isn’t supper accurate, but he’s still an effective QB, as he has shown us last year in Pittsburg. Personally I wanted s to sign Leftwhich at the start of free agency, I would love it if we could get our hands on him now!

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 12, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leftwich is a good back-up who shouldn’t play long stretches.

Remember Ty Law talking about this biggest difference between Brady and Bledsoe being the time from the beginning of the throwing motion to the ball being released? He mentioned that Brady was much quicker and thus harder for DB’s to jump on.

Bledsoe had a Marino-like release compared to Leftwich. A team that has time to prepare for him with a game or two worth of current film (assuming he’d play more than two games in a stretch) would do well. Read New England and the NY Jets.

by Der Jaeger on Aug 12, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Leftwich has possibly the slowest release and throw motion of any QB I’ve ever seen. It’s amazing. It’s like a pitcher winding up.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Aug 13, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it’s really unbelievable how long it takes for Leftwich to let go of the ball after deciding to throw.

by kaisertown on Aug 13, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CBF, I felt the same way in the beginning of free agency. I wouldn’t mind Leftwich.

by Fucilli5 on Aug 12, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Brown at buffalobills.com

I can swear I saw a post from CB on buffalobills.com addressing this. However, I can’t find it now, it might have been taken down.

He said that his guess (and only his – not the line of management) was that the Bills would be interested in guys like Frerotte or Griese, and not Vick. I would definitely agree that Vick won’t fit in Schonert’s system.

I’d also be interested in Leftwich (mentioned above). However, I’m not sure that he’d come to a situation where he’d have no chance to start. I also think that keeping him as a backup would be a waste of his talent: he looked stellar in relief for Pittsburgh and I think he got a raw shake with Jacksonville. That is not to say I’d prefer him to Edwards, who has a very bright future ahead of him, in my opinion.

by crp2103 on Aug 12, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice breakdown

I find it interesting that Steve Young didn’t have a better completion percentage than that given the West Coast offense he was running.

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by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After 1991, he was above 62%, and hit 70% at least once. Almost all the years from ‘91-’97 were high completion percentages. The 62% was in ’98. I discounted ’99 (54%) since he played 3 games and was hurt.

His first four years were in the 50’s. ‘89 and ’90 were in the 60’s, but he has less than 100 attempts each year.

by Der Jaeger on Aug 12, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed...nice job Der Jaeger....rec'd

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by Joe P. on Aug 12, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young was bad early in his career, but the completion % looks low partially due to the era. Last year there were 21 starting QBs who completed 60% of their passes. In the mid 90s when Young was dominating, there were only about 10-12 guys who completed that many passes. In the late 80s when Young was posting those percentages in the mid 50s, only a handful of guys had their completion % up over 60%.

Take a look at Jim Kelly’s career stats. In his 11 pro seasons, Kelly completed 60+% of his passes four times.

http://www.nfl.com/players/jimkelly/careerstats?id=KEL581385

It was just a different time for QBs where there were more 5 and 7 step drops, fewer 3 and 4 WR sets and less checking down.

by kaisertown on Aug 13, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thought on Vick:

I think everyone saying that Vick doesn’t fit because he couldn’t run the no huddle is dead on. But it even goes way, way past that. Vick was a good QB and would probably be one of the 32 best by the end of the season if somebody signed him to start. But I’ll stand by previous statements that there isn’t a single team in the league that wants Vick as the backup QB. Not only would he struggle in the Bills’ system, he needs a coaching staff willing to completely design an offense around him. That’s why I think his best fit this year is as a wildcat QB for a team that could potentially hand the reigns over to him in 2010 or 2011. But I can’t imagine him winning a QB competition against even a bad player in a pro style offense. He needs an organization to commit to him. It’s the same problem that other mobile QBs have had when teams try and turn them into pocket passers and it’s the same dilema teams will have with guys like Tebow on draft day. You can’t fit a square peg into a round hole.

by kaisertown on Aug 13, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BINGO
…he needs a coaching staff willing to completely design an offense around him.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 13, 2009 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As in, "The was a farmer who had a dog..."?

I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by Joe P. on Aug 13, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well played!

by kaisertown on Aug 13, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at this point how can any coaching staff build an offense around him? Hes 29 right? scrambling QBs have to start passing as their legs wear out around 30 and hes been in jail for two years putting him well behind the eight ball in that department. I think no one will build an offense around him and that the only way he signs is as a back up who plays a versatile yet important role in an offense.

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by poz on Aug 13, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would guess that a team isn’t willing to commit to him either. But it’s really the only way he’ll ever be a good QB again. I think that if a team were bold enough to sign him now as a wildcat QB and start slowly building an offense for him for next season that he could be a good starter for another 3-5 years. And considering the price a team could get him at, it wouldn’t be a terrible idea. I don’t know if you can win a SB with Vick, but I think a good coaching staff with a decent defense could be a .500 team with Vick in 2010 and a playoff team in 2011 and 2012.

In a bubble where the football was all that mattered and teams didn’t have to deal with selling tickets, public perception or anything like that, signing Vick to QB a team for the next 5 years would be a better investment than drafting a QB in the first round.

Imagine if a dome (and currently doomed) team like the Rams were to sign Vick and continue to build an offense around S. Jax and the OL and be a crazy run heavy team, almost like a gimmicky college offense. And Spagnoulo could focus his drafts almost solely on defense and maybe build up a dominant unit. That would be a team that nobody would want to play in a couple of seasons.

by kaisertown on Aug 13, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea good point

if the Lions had known about Vicks availability maybe they dont draft Stafford this year and grab someone else.

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by poz on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can’t be surprised to hear about the Bills looking at Backup QBs. We’ll see what develops.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 13, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see how Gibran Hammy does this preseason. Could he handle it? He’s been in the system long enough.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Aug 13, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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