Crabtree fiasco could accelerate Maybin-Bills negotiations
by Brian Galliford on Aug 12, 2009 10:21 PM EDT
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PrintLast night and early this morning, we discussed the holdout of Buffalo Bills DE Aaron Maybin and the massive hit in popularity the rookie has taken during his 20-day holdout. Though we tried to make the point that no side is completely to blame for the holdout, the biggest hurdle to a deal remains 49ers WR Michael Crabtree - who along with his agent, the notorious Eugene Parker, is attempting to alter the slotting process for rookie wages and score a fat deal.
Today, word broke that Crabtree's holdout could stretch into September; speculation is arising that Crabtree might not sign until the days prior to San Francisco's season opener. (There is precedent here; another Parker client, former Bills OT Jason Peters, pulled the exact same stunt prior to the 2008 season.) Rather than continuing to slow down negotiations for Maybin (as well as three other unsigned first-round picks), however, this latest bit of Crabtree news could get the ball rolling in Buffalo.
Kawakami on Crabtree
Tim Kawakami, who writes for the San Jose Mercury News, broke the news about Crabtree on Wednesday. His explanation:
Crabtree’s absence might be jeopardizing his ability to produce right away, but he’s not jeopardizing any serious money until the week of Sept. 13 – that first game check. That’s when Crabtree and Parker will have to make their largest decision. Do they go all-in and start bypassing game-checks in order to put even more pressure on the 49ers?
Kawakami is convinced that the holdout will last until September - and again, knowing Parker's history, that shouldn't be surprising. The real point here is that Parker is the only agent that plays his game this way, at least as far as we can tell. Mike Florio, for one, thinks that Joel Segal might not be as willing to wait so long to get his client signed.
Florio on Maybin (and B.J. Raji)
Once Florio caught wind of Crabtree's possible intentions, he began hearing that Maybin (and Raji) could see the pace of their respective negotiations pick up.
... we're now hearing that the ongoing discrepancy between Crabtree and the 49ers might soon prompt the guys picked before and after Crabtree to go ahead and do their deals...
The rest of the article discusses how the possible signings of Raji and Maybin could provide a boost to the 49ers' stance in negotiations with Crabtree. But we don't care about that. We care solely about the fact that the possibility exists that Segal and the Bills could pick up negotiations in an effort to avoid the stench of Crabtree.
Because honestly, folks - no rookie's name is mud like Crabtree's is right now. Any rookie/agent duo that follows suit at this point is risking the same PR nightmare that Crabtree is currently dealing with; likewise, Segal has a chance to boost his credibility by becoming an agent that shows patience in getting his client fair deals, but isn't so crazy that he holds them out until right before the games count. Next year's rookie class would certainly take note of that fact.
Bills, Maybin will remain silent
Bills COO/GM Russ Brandon spoke with the AP on Wednesday, telling John Wawrow that there has been no progress in the negotiations with Segal and Maybin. Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but that may have just been a timing issue. Maybin himself, on the other hand, offered a little hope to his fans during his temporary Twitter sign-off on Tuesday, telling fans that they would "see A.M. very soon!"
Chances are strong that if the speculation is correct and Segal is considering speeding up negotiations, he'll wait a day or two to make sure that Crabtree and Parker are as stubbornly entrenched in their holdout as they're made out to be. For the first time since Maybin's holdout began nearly three weeks ago, however, there's a glimmer of hope. We'll see if it snowballs here in the next few days.
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The greed that Segal and Maybin showed in this does mar them a little bit. And yes it was greedy hitching themselves to Crabtree, IMO.
~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 12, 2009 10:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I can hardly call this greed. The literal definition of “fair market value” is what the market is willing to pay. One way to pretty accurately determine this is to compare with the prices of similar goods (or in this case players). So, waiting to determine the prices of those goods/players is a perfectly reasonable stance.
Think about this: If you only had your primary earning capacity for a span of 10 years, maybe 15 if you’re lucky, wouldn’t you try to maximize your earnings during that time? It’s only a rational thing to do.
Further, I don’t want to hear arguments about how most people don’t get anywhere near that type of money. This is a professional sport, obviously, he’s not like most people, and most people don’t have the commitment or drive it takes to get where he’s gotten. If you have a problem with salaries of professional athletes, stop watching the sports (both live and televised) – the increasingly expensive TV deals and ticket/concession prices are what’s fueling the explosion of player salaries. If there is less demand for these items, their prices will necessarily drop and as a result so must the player salaries.
You have something in common with Parker
You’re both ignoring reality.
First, the definition of fair market value as it pertains to the NFL is not “what the market is willing to pay” but much closer to price at which buyers and sellers both having reasonable knowledge of the property and being under no compulsion are willing to do business. Specifically, Maybin can’t offer his services to the market as a free agent can; he is only permitted to negotiate with the Buffalo Bills. His only other option is to sit out the year and re-enter the draft. Given the short career shelf life that you yourself cite, that’s certainly not in Maybin’s economic self interest. And that doesn’t even begin to include that money in hand now earns interest that money in hand later never will.
The reality is that draft picks in the 5-20 range sign for about halfway between what the slot behind and the slot ahead got in terms of contract. Fair market value, as defined by years of NFL draft contracts, is pretty well established.
Moreno, at #12, got $23 million
Maybin, at #11, will eventually sign for about $26 million
Crabtree, at #10, has no reason to believe that he’ll get more than $29 million
Raji, at #9, will eventually sign for about $32 million
Monroe, at #8, will eventually sign for about $35 million
Heyward Bey, at #7, got $38 million
The pattern is so recognizable and predictable that some on these boards predicted the Bills would be shelling out about $26 million on a 5 year deal….months before the draft even happened. The $26 million represents an increase of some percentage over the deal McKelvin got last year when he was the #11 pick. This is the reality of the NFL draft as it is currently structured.
Parker’s tenuous grasp on reality doesn’t change the fact that Maybin will receive fair market value when he signs for his $26 million. It also won’t change the fact that Crabtree, when he does eventually blink, will be getting a fair market deal when he signs for about $29 million.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.........It really is that simple........what a waste of time.
These agents have to pretend they are doing their jobs so they get paid. In the case of rookies, are agents negotiating a contract really necessary?
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
I fail to see how what you’re saying is different from what I said: fair market value as determined by the price of relatively similar things. If you consider the person drafted above you as a slightly “better” good and the person below you as a slightly “worse”, your price should be roughly the average of the two.
Sure, Maybin is probably hoping for the chance to get a bit more, just as the Bills are trying to get a bit less. This is only rational as the buyer and seller both want to minimize and maximize the price, respectively. So, waiting out the process isn’t greed, it’s determining the fair market value (and actually a pretty rational compromise between both parties). Could the system be more efficient (and the salaries a bit lower), yes, but that’s hardly Maybin’s or Segal’s fault.
The truly “greedy” ones are Crabtree and Parker, who are bucking the system and trying to get more by holding team hostage long after the market’s prices have been fairly settled (assuming he continues to hold out after everyone else signs).
The difference is that NFL rookies aren’t dealing with a free market so they don’t have the leverage of pitting one team against another; they either play for the team that has drafted them or the just don’t play at all. Fair market value, therefore, really isn’t set by the market. Your line about rational compromise is much closer to the truth. It just so happens that the rational compromise is a known quantity. Sure, the Bills would probably like to play something closer to $23 million and Maybin/Segal would like to get something closer to $29 million….so the rational compromise is $26 million, and that’s the neighborhood where we’ll see a deal done.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
What’s missing from your argument, and what the holdup in most draft pick negotiations is, are the components of the contract, specifically the amount of guaranteed money. That is what seems to make these talks drag out. Those decline for the most part as your picked lower, but they don’t meet any set percentage like the overall contract value does.
That doesn’t seem to be the case here. Crabtree is trying to get considerably more than the $29 million. The last I had heard he was wanting the same (or more) as Heyward Bay’s $38 million.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
What a psycho. Come back to earth Crabtree.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Aug 13, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
why even pay the three percent
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by BRIANMULHALL on Aug 13, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
to ron from nm
i can find no problem with your projection, except crabapple has no interest in the size of the contract. he (if i am right) has to worry about the guaranteed amount as i do not think he can play at least this year. he has kept the foot injury under wraps. he has not been seen to have any hard practice or stress put on his foot. if the 49ers will just leave him be they will save a lot of money, tell him large contract no guarantee.
by crazyoldman on Aug 14, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
When Arrington opened his mouth blaming this all on Crabtree (and Parker), that pretty much indicated the greed aspect of this situation. The 12th pick, Knowshon Moreno, had no problem signing while the pick before him (Maybin) remained unsigned. Because Maybin and his camp seem willing to wait it out and see if Crabtree will get a bigger contract than his draft slot indicates, sure looks like a greedy move to me. The “fair market value” is in place with Moreno and Orakpo’s contracts. Holding out and waiting for a bigger piece of the pie is greedy, IMO.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I hate to agree with you on this one, but with no clear end to Crabtree’s situation in sight and the fact that it’s looked this way for Crabtree for quite some time, Maybin is looking greedy. It looks like he isn’t willing to accept what other players would.
There is plenty for Maybin to work with and he doesn’t need Crabtree signed. This was a totally different situation when Knowshown was still sitting around at home too.
What is Maybin supposed to accept? There’s no relatively close/appropriate ceiling. The next signed pick above Maybin is Heyward-Bey, who signed for $38 million. If you split the difference between those, you’ll actually get a number much higher than the $26 million (see above) Maybin will most likely receive. The actual number will vary with what Crabtree (or Raji) accept, to set the ceiling.
Watch the deals come down. At the end of the day it will be something close to the $3 million difference per slot between Heyward Bay and Moreno. The ceiling for Maybin is set simply by the number of slots between the #12 pick and the #7 pick and the $23 million (#12 pick) as the floor and $38 million (#7 pick) as the ceiling.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
The Next Labor Agreement
If they don’t achieve a sensible rookie pay scale in the next bargain, perhaps the owners could get the union to agree that the rookies start earning their annual pay the day training camp opens rather than as of the first game of the season. Consequently, they’d lose a chunk of their annual pay for any time missed if they don’t have a deal on day one of training camp. That may cause the agents to try get bigger contracts for a holdout, but if a salary cap is still in place it won’t give the owners much flexibility to cave in to the demands, and it shifts a lot more risk to the draftee and his agent. Since none of the union members are unsigned rookies, they may be willing to agree to a contract provision that doesn’t impact the current membership.
Some sort of arrangement where rookies are on a set pay scale but become RFAs or UFAs after a year or two might go over with the players and the owners. You’ve got to figure that a simple tweaking of salary cap rules would put the players and owners on the same side and leave the incoming rookies and agents on the outside looking in.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with K. It is greed to a certain extent. Moreno’s deal has been in place for long enough now that Segal could have at least started negotiations with Buffalo.
In my opinion, this is just a case of a few agents (primarily Parker) trying to set themselves up for success once the league moves into a new CBA. I think most around here know of my disdain for agents.
Almost universally, most acknowledge that some sort of rookie scale will be put in place with the next CBA. This will definitely put a hurting on agents. Why would you need an agent if you’re salary is predetermined upon your draft spot?
These guys are playing their last chips before a new CBA. I question why these current unsigned rooks are letting themselves be played like pawns in this.
Players will still need agents for negotiating new deals unless the owners are willing to step up and guarantee contracts.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but their value to rookies would be diminished, correct? And if so, that would really hurt the profession is you ask me. Agents are trying to force their way into the game.
Yes, they’d have limited value to the rookies—mainly in the realm of endorsements and such.
I’m for getting agents out of the process entirely; rookie pay scale and completely guaranteed contracts so easy to understand that even you or I would know exactly what was required by each party. True enough, players would still need agents for endorsement deals and such but those don’t effect the team as a whole.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s unfortunate is that agency in itself is a good thing – it’s just that most people involved in the business are slimeballs.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 12, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Free agency is a terrific thing for players. It ensures that they will get fair market value, not in the artificial de facto rookie pay scale fair market value that currently exists. Once a player is a free agent he is able to get whatever the market will bear because there will be a market if he’s got the skills.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Aug 12, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ron, I was talking about agency, not free agency.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 13, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Agency – the concept of one person representing another’s interests on their behalf.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 13, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
is that agency in itself is a good thing
How are they good things? They are mearly middle men who ultimately drive the cost down onto us?
The concept of an agent representing the interests of people who don’t know what all the implications are of all the fine print, of pointing out how a short-sighted decision now will affect them in the future, of helping a person keep a level-head during an emotion-laded situation, this is a good thing in itself.
As I said, the problem is that agency in professional sports has become almost completely populated with slimeballs, so that the agents are no longer performing the services they ought to be, but rather operating on their own interests instead of the best interests of their clients.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 13, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you on getting agents out of the process entirely – I’ve been on that bandwagon forever. But I don’t agree that agents are important to endorsements and the like.
Think about this – there will be 48 guys dressed for 32 teams the weekend of the opener. That’s 1536 players. How many of those guys really have significant endoresment deals? Maybe ten? Don’t count local deals – radio deals and small tv spots (even in large markets) are usually chump change compared to a players contract. They do those more out of a “look at me, look at me” mode then anything else.
Segal and Parker are merely trying to protect their own interests going forward. They are using the unsigned 1st rounders. They know they may only have one more year of the golden goose, and are doing everything they can to save that goose.
every where else in the world you pick your job
in the nfl your stuck with a team for 4 5 even 6 years you want what you can get
by Patsfan4life on Aug 12, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
so all of those unemployeed people we have here in the USA just can't make up their minds ?
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
You really like comparing the NFL to the real world, don’t you? :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 13, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He started it :-)
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Nowhere else do you get paid tens of MILLIONS of dollars for working out and hitting someone holding an oblong spheriod. These guys have never taken a NFL snap. They DO NOT deserve anything.
Stuck with a team? What about the Pats? The player should be honored to be there for 4-6 years? But he’s stuck in Buffalo??
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by NeverendingOptimism on Aug 13, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't know if this will bear or not....
Mike Sando on espn.com has a blogish type post up in which he talks about Crabtree and the last time the 49ers had a WR holdout. He points out that JJ Stokes was a virtual non-factor for the entirety of his first season. If the 49ers have direct contact with Crabtree my guess is they would be pointing the similarities out every time they talk/text/tweet.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
Jerod Mayo last years 10th pick (ours) got like 19 mil with 13 million for sure
but crabtree will want more as he thinks hes a top 5 pick and pest player in the draft and and such
I’m going to love it when he flops.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 13, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha. So… do any of y’all have a comment on the article? As in, this might be good news? :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 13, 2009 6:42 AM EDT reply actions
Uh, oh yeah…the article. You’re 100% right on this possibly being good news. Hopefully, at least it’ll be a catalyst to get Segal and the Bills to start talking at least. I imagine once they start talking, it shouldn’t take too long to get a deal done.
The contractual impasse for rookie first-round draft pick Aaron Maybin reached its 19th day but both sides remained in negotiations Wednesday. That created the hope that a deal could be reached sometime this week.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 13, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
"Remained in negotiations"???
When did they start?
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
I don’t care when they start as long as they finish this week.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Aug 13, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
I think it really can only help. Segal would be wise to open up the lines of communication with OBD.
at this point it is becoming clear that Parker is not handling the crabtree situation logically. this example could have been used w/Macghee, injury issue, probable top 3 pick w/out the injury. with parker’s logic Drew Rosenhaus could have argued that he would have been a top 3 pick. granted Macghee’s injury was far worse and he was drafted much lower in the first round but the premise is still the same.
Agent Works for The Player
If Maybin wanted to be reasonable and accept the “roughly right” process that Ron laid out, he’d have a lot of money and he’d be here. But he’s being “advised” by a his Penn State mentor who had a history of overvaluing himself and holding out. As soon as I saw he was hooked up with Arrington I suspected he’d be a holdout. Blaming the process on Crabtree is a copout. Arrington was also famous for dis’ing Joe Paterno and his coaches in Washington. He was a very good player, but didn’t fulfill his promise.
not that simple
I believe the players union puts pressure on the agents and the drafted players to not sign right away unless it is a great deal relative to the year before. some of these players come from very simple means and would, if left up to themselves, would sign the first contract offered to them.
not that complicated
I don’t disagree with your points … that’s clearly the reality. But 25 other first rounders have signed. It is still a fact that Maybin is the boss. 20 years ago I used to just die on the vine over crap like this. Now I just don’t care. You want to play, then show up. You don’t want to play, I’ll watch on Sunday either way.
Joel Segal & Agents
Don’t forget Segal has his hands full as Vick’s agent. I’m sure his time is taken up trying to find Vick an opportunity to get back in the NFL… After all who has the potential to make a more of a splash $$$ wise a proven (no chuckles please) former NFL golden boy or a unproven rookie DE/LB. For good or bad Vick has more of a potential to be Segal’s cash cow.
Agents….
Yea, we all get pissed at agents such as Parker but if the players didn’t have agents they would certainly need to have a attorney. I’d rather have the agents pissing me off then have lawyers take the place of agents. Could you imagine the legal nightmares that the attorneys would cause trying to negotiate —-just think of all the possibilities of frivolous lawsuits!!!
Your honor—When I signed my client RB Joe Schmo he was promised 20 carries a game, well he has only been getting 12 which ruin his chances for a Gator-Aid contract—-I’m suing on Behalf of my client…
Your honor—When I sign my client as a DE/LB he was told he would be a blitzing LB that would rack up sacks by the hand-full. Well, your honor the defensive coaches had the audacity to ask him to drop into pass coverage, now he can’t get the sacks needed for him to receive an endorsement from Nike!! I’m suing on behalf of my client!!!
Agents will always be a neccesary evil but I will take them over an Legal Eagle anytime.
That could be happening already but isn’t. A lawyer would charge a player a set fee as opposed to a 3% contingency, which would certainly cost a player much less.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
Could is the big word but would they set a standard fee or go to a percentage like an agent—-way to many ambulance chasers out there out there to leave the opportunity to make money. I’m sure the attorney would set a standard fee it would would equal what an agent would receive. Just look at what attorneys make today on lawsuits or what they charge percentage wise, sometimes they walk away with more money then their clients…
Do you seriously think a player would really have a hard time finding a lawyer to take, say, $5000 per hour to dot all of the ’i’s? Lawyers make oodles on contingency from clients who have no way to pay a lawyer a fee out of pocket. NFL players aren’t in that position.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
At $5000 per hour they should be lining up. I deal with lawyers quite a bit in the business I’m in, I’ve learned to believe in the saying “The Wheels of Justice Move Slowly” especially if they are getting paid by the hour.
At $5000 per hour Maybin’s agent would have to work 156 hours to equal the amount he would have paid an agent at 3%. While lawyers might milk it a little (okay, a lot) even I’d be amazed if one had the stones to try to convince his client it took an entire week—without sleep—to look over the contract.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
A lawyer would charge a player a set fee as opposed to a 3% contingency
Not necessarily.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 13, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
John Clayton also reported last night that progress was being made on Maybin, and that he expected a deal within the next 24 hours, maybe 48 hours. Seems legit to me…
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 13, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions
Not only that, but the Buffalo News said talks are on going. Maybin finally may be a Bill and I for one am excited.
Yep, I linked the Gaughan article above.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 13, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
That'd be nice
~K
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Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good to hear.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 13, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems odd that the ball is really getting rolling now based on Crabtree not signing until September, as it was just last week that there was talking about re-entering the draft next year.
The reason for that is that the idea that Crabtree would re-enter the draft is so preposterous and unbelievable that it didn’t change anything. The info came from Crabtree’s idiot cousin as well – not Parker.
The holdout until September thing is far, FAR more legitimate.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 13, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t Bo Jackson re-enter the draft after TB had issues with him? He fell well into the late rounds the next year, if I recall. He was a #1 pick the year prior.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 13, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently Tampa Bay didn’t want him playing baseball so he didn’t sign with them, choosing instead to sign with the Royals. The next year the Raider took him in the 7th round (183 overall).
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
7th round – what a steal!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 13, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Buffalo News today
Mark Gaughn in his training camp breakdown says that the Bills are negotiating with Maybin’s agent
The Bills CAN win any game
Haha – once again, I linked it above. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 13, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey Brian! Did you know that Mark Gaughn wrote an article saying that the Bills are neg… oh, you already know… :)
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by NeverendingOptimism on Aug 13, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? I heard that the Bills and Segal were negotiating.
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I don’t read every comment on a post…it wasn’t in the post, I wrote a quick comment…you guys are brutal sometimes
The Bills CAN win any game
Haha – we’re just joshin’, killa. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 13, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
"player's holdout could possibly most likely maybe go into September"
….This passes for “breaking news”?
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but to the question posed:
I think it is good. I good believe Maybin really really wants to get on the field (not as much as he wants to get more money, which is inherent). But maybe all this fans backlash is getting to him, and starting to tip the balance of his priorities. I can only hope. I always hope he doesn’t start his career with a grudge against the fans from all this. I just hope he watched Bruce’s speech and sees how loyal we can be if he shows up and puts up in his career.
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by The Biscuit on Aug 13, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Any player who starts his career with a grudge against the fans when that player has been holding out would have his head on backwards.
From what it seems, Maybin isn’t THAT messed up. I do wonder about how healthy Arrington’s influence will be.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 13, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing I don't understand
is how Maybin can and should be compared to Moreno and Crabtree. I feel that there should be a subsystem in place wherein players of similar position are slotted and paid accordingly. Crabtree is a WR, Maybin a pass rush “specialist.” Well i’ll tell you one thing: holding out while the selfish prima donna catching passes from a sub par QB in SF threatens to sit out, is nothing special.
I wanted them to sign Orakpo anyway. Let’s hope things smooth out and this turns out being the best signing of 2009 for this team.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 13, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions
I wanted them to sign Orakpo anyway.
“I wanted to play mousetrap. You roll your dice, you move your mice; nobody gets hurt.”
"I know I'm a true receiver..." Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo Bills - May 2009
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by thefourwinds on Aug 13, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
"I wanted to play mousetrap. You roll your dice, you move your mice; nobody gets hurt."
Now that was funny!!!
Can’t claim credit myself – it’s a line from a kids movie (VeggieTales).
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by thefourwinds on Aug 14, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaron the honeymoon is in Camp.
The marriage begins September 14. Get signed and enjoy the honeymoon. If he signs for approximately the 26M expected, than this is all not worth it. If he signs for more and doesn’t produce the fans will eat him alive and all these rumblings will feel like a mosquito bite. The fans at the game are much more vocal and don’t have the time to articulate their feelings. 26M Aaron, lets get it done, and get ready for the whole thing. You want your money’s worth and so don’t we. Anything beyond next Tuesday is unacceptable.
Well
I did post my opinion on this last night but for some reason it got deleted. So maybe that means I shouldn’t post on here again
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 13, 2009 2:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That was a mistake, actually, because I’m dumb. Your post duplicated, and so I deleted the dupe, but then forgot that I deleted the dupe and deleted the second one too. It’s my fault. My sincerest apologies.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 13, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
it seems i am the one that needs to be apologizing
i was unaware that my post was posted twice. sometimes the iphone isnt as perfect as we all think. sorry about that. either way, i think this holdout is ridiculous and only creates bad pr for maybin. although all that bad rep will disappear when he makes that first sack week one against the pats.
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 13, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
No need to apologize – double posts happen all the time if the site hangs a little bit. No big – it was my fault for having short-term memory loss. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 13, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
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