Projecting the Buffalo Bills' final roster, V4.0
If you've been hanging out with us for at least the past three weeks, you're probably aware of the drill: after every Buffalo Bills pre-season game, we update our roster projection for the upcoming season. For point of reference, here is last week's projection.
It was a busy week in Buffalo, as the team made more roster moves to deal with minor injuries. Strong performances from several key youngsters in the team's 27-20 victory over the Chicago Bears on Saturday obviously necessitated a few tweaks as well. Our full projection, with a depth chart, a projected practice squad and an explanation for the last five on and the first five cut, is after the jump.
You know what comes first: our roster projection in depth chart form. Please note - we've got 55 names on the roster; two are start-of-season exemptions in our eyes: RB Marshawn Lynch, who obviously is suspended, and WR James Hardy, who might not play in the pre-season, and thus stands a strong chance of starting the year on the PUP list. There is no reason for the Bills to rush Hardy back onto the field.
| Pos. | STARTER | Backup | Reserve | Reserve |
| WR2 | 83 - LEE EVANS | 17 - Justin Jenkins | 84 - James Hardy |
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| WR3 | 82 - JOSH REED | 11 - Roscoe Parrish | ||
| LT | 68 - LANGSTON WALKER | 77 - Demetrius Bell |
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| LG | 67 - ANDY LEVITRE* | 73 - Kirk Chambers | ||
| C | 63 - GEOFF HANGARTNER | |||
| RG | 70 - ERIC WOOD* | 66 - Seth McKinney | ||
| RT | 60 - BRAD BUTLER | |||
| TE | 80 - DEREK SCHOUMAN | 86 - Derek Fine | 89 - Shawn Nelson* | 88 - Jonathan Stupar |
| WR1 | 81 - TERRELL OWENS | 13 - Steve Johnson | ||
| QB | 5 - TRENT EDWARDS | 14 - Ryan Fitzpatrick | 10 - Gibran Hamdan | |
| RB | 23 - MARSHAWN LYNCH | 22 - Fred Jackson | 33 - Dominic Rhodes | 44 - Xavier Omon |
| LE | 90 - CHRIS KELSAY | 92 - Ryan Denney | 93 - Chris Ellis |
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| 1T | 99 - MARCUS STROUD | 97 - John McCargo | ||
| 3T | 95 - KYLE WILLIAMS | 91 - Spencer Johnson | ||
| RE | 94 - AARON SCHOBEL | 58 - Aaron Maybin* | ||
| SLB | 56 - KEITH ELLISON | 54 - Nic Harris* | ||
| MLB | 51 - PAUL POSLUSZNY | 59 - Pat Thomas | ||
| WLB | 55 - KAWIKA MITCHELL | 57 - Jon Corto | ||
| CB2 | 28 - LEODIS McKELVIN | 29 - Drayton Florence | 26 - Ashton Youboty |
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| SS | 43 - BRYAN SCOTT | 37 - George Wilson | 21 - John Wendling |
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| FS | 20 - DONTE WHITNER | 31 - Jairus Byrd* | ||
| CB1 | 24 - TERRENCE McGEE | 27 - Reggie Corner | 46 - Ellis Lankster* | |
| K | 9 - RIAN LINDELL | |||
| P | 8 - BRIAN MOORMAN | |||
| LS | 72 - RYAN NEILL |
We might as well give you a practice squad as well.
| WR C.J. Hawthorne |
| OT Chris Denman |
| C Brandon Rodd |
| DT Derrick Jones |
| LB Marcus Buggs |
| LB Ashlee Palmer* |
| CB Cary Harris* |
| CB Lydell Sargeant* |
Full list of "cuts": QB Matt Baker, RB Bruce Hall, FB Corey McIntyre, WR Felton Huggins, WR Shaine Smith, TE Travis McCall*, OT Nick Hennessey, C Christian Gaddis, DE Copeland Bryan, DE Ataefiok Etukeren*, DT Marcus Smith, DT Corey Mace, LB Alvin Bowen, LB Ryan Manalac*, FS Ko Simpson, FS Antwain Spann
Five In
WR Justin Jenkins: Jenkins is making life easy for Bills coaches right now, in particular with how they can handle Hardy. He has been on every first unit for Bobby April's special teams units this pre-season. More importantly, he's produced relatively well when he's been in offensively. Because of Jenkins, the Bills don't need to rush Hardy back onto the field simply for receiver depth. Plus, Jenkins can help on game days until the coaches are ready to sacrifice some special teams to get Hardy onto the active roster.
TE Jonathan Stupar: He really shouldn't be on this list based on his pre-season production; his ten receptions in roughly five quarters of play is consistent, solid production. This guy can play. He's clearly not a go-to target or an above-average athlete in any way, shape or form, but for a second-year player with very little experience, he's remarkably consistent. He's the type of player that the coaches will make room for.
DE Chris Ellis: I have left Ellis off of the roster on several iterations of this exercise; after his strong performance Saturday, however, I couldn't resist the temptation to include him. I've seen Ellis sleepwalk through drills at practice, but he was busting his butt against the Bears; his sack and fumble recovery on consecutive plays speak for themselves. He can produce when he wants to work. If he can work hard consistently, he should develop into a pretty nice player. By no means, however, is he a lock for the roster - Aaron Maybin will be on board at some point, and Copeland Bryan is giving him a run for his money as well.
LB Jon Corto: I knew going in that I'd only be keeping six linebackers. It was tough to keep Corto over some other, perhaps more talented players, but all indications right now are that Corto will sneak onto the roster as a pure specialist. He remains a first-unit special teams player on all units; obviously, that counts for a lot in Buffalo.
S John Wendling: Wendling got some second-team reps on Saturday night as an in-the-box run defender (at strong safety, obviously), and he looked pretty solid doing it. His special teams prowess is well-known. He was the last player on the roster for me, however, not because of what he brings to the table, but because I was thoroughly unimpressed by Ko Simpson's play. Wendling is a known commodity - and right now, that gives him an edge over Simpson.
Five Out
FB Corey McIntyre: Give Buffalo's coaches some credit - they know they're going to have a hard time keeping McIntyre around, but they're giving him opportunities to earn a spot. McIntyre, who has never logged a carry in a regular season game, carried the ball six times against the Bears, and looked borderline competent doing so. He, too, has value as a special teams player. Right now, however, the fullback position is completely phased out of the no-huddle offense, and that, ultimately, should ruin McIntyre's chances of making the roster.
OT Jonathan Scott: The "Other Scott" has been pretty average of late, and on a roster loaded with back-end special teams options, average isn't going to cut it when you're the ninth-best lineman on the team. He still has a shot at the roster, but right now, he's likely going to be the victim of the numbers game. He doesn't provide any game-day value as a ninth lineman.
DE Copeland Bryan: The coaches are going to hate cutting Bryan. He's as dependable as young players come - hard-working, semi-athletic, and able to contribute in a few different ways. His problem is that he'll never be anything more than he currently is. It's tough to cut dependable young players. But at best, he's 5A in the Bills' (fully stocked) DE rotation.
LB Alvin Bowen: Bowen has made some big hits in the practice setting, but other than one big tackle in the Hall of Fame Game, he's relatively invisible on the field - even on special teams. He's a solid athlete, but other young Bills linebackers are making bigger plays. Right now, his chances at a roster spot are slim. He does, however, have practice squad eligibility - but even that is a stretch.
FS Ko Simpson: While George Wilson continues to impress me on the field, Simpson was thoroughly underwhelming against Chicago after a decent performance against Tennessee. He's more limited athletically than even Wilson, and with Jairus Byrd set to hit the field possibly this week, Simpson's stock is most definitely on the decline.
Your own comments and projections, as always, are welcomed below.
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TE Jonathan Stupar: He really shouldn’t be on this list based on his pre-season production; his ten receptions in roughly five quarters of play is consistent, solid production. This guy can play. He’s clearly not a go-to target or an above-average athlete in any way, shape or form, but for a second-year player with very little experience, he’s remarkably consistent. He’s the type of player that the coaches will make room for.
Based on his play, I think you are even slightly under-rating him. He sure looks like a go-to guy, even though it is only preseason. This guy just finds ways to get open. One problem though, I really can’t see the Bills carrying 4 TE’s. I think Schouman is out right now. He really hasn’t played all that well, and definetely not as well as Stupar.
Stupar = 2010 version of Steve Johnson?
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by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 17, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
I also don’t see how Copeland Bryan doesn’t make the team… Coaches like him and he has played pretty well in the preseason. Other than that, I basically agree with your synopsis.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 17, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Your going to be doing one of these after each game, aren’t you Brian?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 17, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions
Haha, um, how could you tell?
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 17, 2009 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions
lol, I saw a trend develop;-)
Great job though, and I like the fact that Youboty stays on this time. But I’m not sure if I would keep Wendling over Buggs. I guess that one would come down to who plays better on special teams, and Wendling has proven his worth there so it does make sense.
Who would you cut after Lynch and Hardy come back?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 17, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Copeland Bryan is making this team
After reviewing the film for a second time I recognized that Copeland was blowing his guy up on almost every play causing disruption in the backffield. He flushed the Qb out of the pocket a few times and made a great play causing a fumble. I believe he will jump Denney on the depth chart with one more solid performance. He will make this team. Our team has needed defensive lineman for years and it looks like we finally found a young guy who can play.
hard decision
Ryan Denney played pretty well last year considering he only started 11 games, he had 39 tackles 4 sacks and 7 passes defensed and a forced fumble. The problem is we have alot of these mediocre veterans who do have experience and we have these rookies who are unknown commodities. I think if Copeland Bryan is consistently getting into the backfield the next couple of weeks then maybe things will get interesting with him and Ellis one of those two makes the team and hopefully Ellis is able to be put on the practice squad and we have another year to worry about it.
Ellis has too many games to be on the PS. He played 7 games and the max is 6 if I am not mistaken.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
If I had to choose between the two
I would say Ellis. Denney has had his shot, and though he has been here since ’02, I think his time is up. Go with the younger guy.
Get the Bills back to the big game!
But Denney has produced at the NFL level and Ellis has not. Last year it was Denney on the field when Schobel went down. Ellis was barely on the team.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That was then, this is now. Ellis was a rookie last year, and didn’t have a lot to contribute. My gut says that may be changing. I think the new DL coach will bring out the best in Ellis.
Denney has been a consistent player over the course of his career, but hasn’t been a big playmaker for the most part. I think Ellis could be an upgrade to a position sorely in need of it. To me, that’s worth the gamble.
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Based upon this second preseason game you are absolutely correct. Unfortunately Ellis has been so hit or miss in camp and the other game. He takes plays off and the coaching staff really hates to see that. Regardless of what he does he will be one of the last cuts or one of the last guys to make the team. Denney isn’t going anywhere.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I very nearly kept Bryan over Ellis. They’re not keeping 6 ends, and I think Ellis has a slight advantage over Bryan because he was a third-round pick.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 17, 2009 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think not keeping 6 end could come back to bite them. Age and injury history are the concerns for me.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 17, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that they keep 5, but from what I’ve seen so far this offseason, and with Ellis getting first team reps and Bryan getting second team reps I think that Denney may be the odd man out here. And keeping the two tyoung guys over the older vet also handles the concern over age, does it not?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 17, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
When did Ellis get first team reps??? Denney was the first off the bench when Schobel sat out of practice. Bryan has been getting second team reps ahead of Ellis and it happened again Saturday night. When the 2nd teamers came on the field it was Denney on the right and Bryan on the left. Then Ellis rotated in. There is a 0% chance Ellis makes the team over Denney.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Earlier this week in pratice Ellis got first team reps. Read it on a practice report here on the rumblings.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 17, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m starting to think that, like crazycoach39 said, Denney could be in trouble, because I can see the Bills keeping Bryan, Ellis and Maybin.
The Bills need playmakers and you know what you’re getting with Denney – a guy who won’t embarrass you out there and solid against the run, but a guy who won’t get a consistent pass rush. But that’s really someone you should be able to find on the street.
In the draft the Bills looked for play makers early – Maybin and Byrd, and I think Bryan and Ellis both have more of that than Denney. Add in that Denney’s set to make $2.4 million and I think that not only does Denney have a chance to be cut, but it shouldn’t be a surprise if he is (or traded).
why not Kelsay then?
arguably comparing stats Denney was more productive than Kelsay and played less time.
I would agree except for the fact that Kelsey presently seems to be largely improved over last year. It could be his work with Bob Sanders, or it could simply be that he finally woke up. Either way Kelsey is miles ahead of Denney so far this preseason.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 17, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe he will jump Denney on the depth chart with one more solid performance.
I was thinking the same thing. Everyone is looking to predict that one surprise cut at the end of camp, and if both Ellis and Bryan keep on making those kinds of plays, and if Kelsey keeps on playing (surprisingly) well, then Denney might just be the odd man out. Denney is a run stufffer that occasionally puts up a sack, meanwhile Ellis and Bryan are starting to show better pass rushing skills (especially when compared to Denney’s). We may just see Denney being cut in favor of younger players that are better at the pass rush.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 17, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Stupar makes the team if we dont keep a FB
I think we might lose a DB and keep 7 LB’s, which means Youboty gets traded and Buggs or Bowen makes the roster, depending on preseason performance / practice squad eligability.
Also considering the age of Schobel, Kelsay and Denny, Bryan could be considered instead of Denny, although given Denny’s scoring record he might become an 8 WR! :-)
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Right now if Maybin stays unsigned and Hardy stays on PUP I could see this roster happening with one exception
Bryan has been making plays and while Omon has been workmanlike, I think we could see the coaches gamble with only 2 RBs to start the year with the plan for Lynch to be in and they keep Bryan on board to see which of the two, Ellis and Bryan has what it takes in the first 3 regular season games….
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by WABillsfan on Aug 17, 2009 1:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
2 rbs...
i wouldn’t go all in with that ;)
Later Losman!
by rockybillboa on Aug 17, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really have a problem with keeping Stupar on the roster, other than the fact that he’ll never be active on gameday.
I would have liked to keep seven LB’s, especially because Jon Corto is no capable LB at all. He can play ST, but that’s it. It’s going to be difficult for the coaches to decide, as there are many bubble-players on our roster, who could contribute.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Aug 17, 2009 2:13 AM EDT reply actions
I can't see going in with 4 TEs
It would be akin to wasting a roster space. TEs (especially Bills TEs) aren’t valuable enough to keep in that number. They probably need to keep 3 because the no-huddle utilizes them and they need to unfortunately get rid of the fullback whose position is now obsolete.
Thing about the how the Tight Ends have played in Buffalo is they are capable of going out for a pass once in awhile but are their mainly to block. I think Buffalo wants to luck out on that hybrid blocking/receiving Tight End that become some of the more dangerous players in the game but they haven’t found one. And as a result right now they have 3 young mediocre Tight Ends that don’t truly excel at either craft although I think Derek Fine may have more potential than the other two (Scouman and Stupar) If a TE has to go because of Stupar I say it’s Scouman
All of them are growing still but Fine has good bulk and is a good blocker and helps on Special Teams. He is slow but has good hands and capable of getting open. I think that is what the Bills want. If Nelson develops into what we hope to be, Fine is exactly the kind of TE that we need. Especially if he gets even better as a blocker. If we go double tightends we can run Lynch through Fine’s side or have Lynch pass block and send Nelson out. The offense opens up through the TEs where before it was hampered by them.
Nelson obviously has potential on a whole new level as far a being a receiving TE goes. But even if he doesn’t become an every down threat think about this: James Hardy(6-5 220), Terrell Owens(6-3 224), Shawn Nelson(6-5 240): Goal line. People are complaining that Trent can’t score in the goal-line just wait until you see what the Bills are about to do. This is the part I CANNOT wait for. If these three guys are healthy at the same time and shake off the rust your going to have the defense in a panic because you’ll have 3 guys with that amount of speed, that amount of weight and strength, that amount of height all running different routes plus whatever other nasty things the Bills throw at them. Two years ago we didn’t even have Hardy at all and our red zone efficiency was basically: SMASH MARSHAWN SMASH. Last year we had Hardy only for a little while but no one else who had any height. This year we have THREE players like that.
by pasaluki on Aug 17, 2009 5:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
TEs (especially Bills TEs) aren’t valuable enough to keep in that number.
I’ll tell you this: the Bills aren’t going to cut a good player just because of the position he plays. If Stupar keeps producing in games, there’s no way he gets cut. The fact that he can cover and block on special teams is icing on the cake.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 17, 2009 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I would rather keep DT Derrick Jones
Is Stupar PS eligible?
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Yes.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Then put Stupar on the PS. I highly doubt someone scoops him up.
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Agreed. I’d put Stupar on PS and bring him in as soon as theres an injury to any position on offense.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 18, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But so can alot of other players. I’m not against Stupar per say and I’m not saying that he should get cut. But if he stays, Schouman should go. I just don’t see the use in a 4th TE who will never see the field when last year the Bills had CBs and LBs dropping like flies and are were having troubles on the lines this year too.
All I’m saying is Corey McIntyre can play Special Teams too and can block like hell I imagine, but the Bills are likely going to cut him because of the position he plays.
Let me ask you this: if the Bills had 3 TE and a FB active on game days last year, what is the difference between that choice and keeping 4 TE active and cutting Schouman?
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 17, 2009 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Er, not cutting Schouman… cutting McIntyre.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 17, 2009 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
You said it yourself the no huddle changes the personnel you need on the field. I think they are going to sub in 2 TE sets fairly rarely as is probably only in power situations. If one of the TEs goes down it’s nice to have a backup but there isn’t going to be 4TE situations in a no huddle.
Granted if they were running the K-Gun version of the no-huddle it would probably good to have extra TEs.
But you could very well be right the Bills last year had that whole mess with Darian Barnes and then bringing in McIntryre so I’m not sure they really know what to do with that extra spot.
Actually they have used a lot of 2 TEs.
Schouman and Fine, mostly, but Nelson has been in there as well. They have been lining Schouman up in the backfield on passing downs while putting Fine on the other side tight or splitting out Nelson.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s where I disagree. As Brian said, instead of 3 TEs and 1 FB they might keep 4 TEs and 0 FB. That’s Stupar’s only hope.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 17, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you been impressed by Schouman? I really have not, I would keep Stupar over him. Do you really see them keeping 4 TEs?
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by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 17, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Completely Agree
I agree with everyone that Stupar doesn’t have a ton of upside, but hasn’t Stupar been being placed with the 2nd team offense? I am I don’t really hear anything about Fine/Schouman and yet Stupar is the better blocker and should be the one kept in the backfield. The fact that he is going out for passes and it actually getting thrown to really shows the confidence DJ has in him.
I was thinking the same thing
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Imagine adding Steve Johnson (6-2 202) to the mix in a empty backfield set with the other receiving behemoths. It’s almost unfair to the opposing defense. All Trent has to do is take Clint Eastwood’s advice in the movie In the Line of Fire and “aim high”.
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Keep Stupar
I agree with you Brian, I like keeping 4 TE’s simply because they are all so young and seem to be getting better. I wouldn’t cut a promising player unless it was essential.
I would rather keep Derrick Jones, because he could be a factor in the D-Line rotation, but as the 4th TE, Stupar wouldn help the Bills at all…
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Keep Jones too
I’d keep Jones too. If I had to cut anyone I think it would be Jenkins. I don’t think we need 7 WR’s on the roster with Shawn Nelson healthy.
Is there no way to keep Copeland Bryan?
Just seems he’s coming into his own right now, and we could sure use the help on the D-line.
Is it just me, or do the Bills have a lot of pretty good second and third team depth right now, possibly better than last year. Tough to cut a lot of these guys. Good problem to have.
by Defensewinsgames on Aug 17, 2009 8:15 AM EDT reply actions
Trading Parrish
Is there any chance of trading Parrish at this point? I agree with most of the roster, but it’s hard to think of cutting Bryan, Simpson (1+ year starting experience), and a couple of other names, too. If we could get a 3rd or 4th round pick for Parrish – we’d be able to keep one of these guys who is good enough to contribute.
Among many others Saturday, I thought Nic Harris looked great.
After watching Bruce Hall and Dominic Rhodes muff punts in consecutive weeks, I like Roscoe right where he is, thanks. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 17, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
DiCesare and Sullivan of the Buffalo News have both had decent analyses of Parrish in recent editions.
Parrish has been on the trading block for months (at least this year). Either the Bills want to keep him, or the offers being floated are too low.
My adrenaline jumps every time this guy handles the ball. Hate to see him go.
by Defensewinsgames on Aug 17, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
DiCesare's didn't even mention Parrish's fumble
If he’s on this team and gets chances at WR, he can’t pull a Robert Royal
The Bills CAN win any game
Ah, you are correct Killa, that was a bit of a black eye for a guy trying to crack the starting lineup
Was glad to see them go back to him on the next play or shortly thereafter, where he made a nice grab. Wasn’t able to do much with it, however. Don’t worry, he may not be T.O., but he’s no RR. That’s enough with the initials for one morning.
It’s such a pleasure and relief to be debating which second and third string guys deserve to be kept. I love the fact that there is so much competition for backup positions, and it brings out the best these guys can bring. In the past few seasons we seemed be choosing the best among the mediocre.
I think this team can do some damage this year.
by Defensewinsgames on Aug 17, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
AND MCKELVIN /MCGEE TO SPELL HIM THE ODD TIME
MARONE THE BILLS ARE GOING TO BE FIERCE
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by rockybillboa on Aug 17, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see them trading Parrish
From my understanding they didn’t do it when they had the chance. And honestly until someone steps up as a decent punt returner to fill the void he is the best we have. Freddie can do it but I don’t see them wanting to do that since he will be our main back for the first 3 games – Rhodes muffed and just doesn’t have enough burst to impress me… I really don’t see them putting Leo on punt and kick returns along with being the #2 DB
At this point, I’m inclined to agree with you, Ghetts. But Parrish has to be willing to happily accept the continuation of his role as PR, and not as much of a wideout option. Otherwise, we may see decreased production out of him on returns as well.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 17, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
u must be crazzzy if u think they're cutting copeland bryan....
i think you are crazzy to think they will cut this guy when he is clearly better than Kelsay n’ Denney and not to mention he provides constant pressure….please, stop choosing Seniority over talent. Kelsay has consistently been horrific as well as Denney is virtually in the same mold, if you ask me. though denney is a little better they are cut from the same cloth and schobel. Copeland bryan is young and better than Denney n’ Kelsay so why would we keep Kelsay n’ Denney…. Lets just start Schobel on one side n’ Bryan on the other w/ Maybin n’ Ellis backing them up….To me that is pretty darn good and i know they would be productive….so please just stop w/ this kelsay n’ denney mess because even you know those two guys wouldn’t start on any other roster in the league…..
You obviously think he is better than Kelsay and Denney. It’s clear the coaches don’t since both of them play ahead of Bryan.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there something (or someone) that says Hamden will make it past the final cut? Can’t the FO find a free agent QB just as good if the unthinkable happens? Just asking the question.
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It’s a good point. With Trent’s history I would want Hamdan on the squad. I highly doubt he would be signed by someone else if we cut him so we could always resign him if necessary. They like what he brings to the team and the QB crops in terms of his communication.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently Hamdan brings enough to the team to justify taking up a valuable roster spot that arguably could be better spent elsewhere?
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He is getting to know the game plan especially the no huddle – I would hate to take a chance on that. Also you can only have 2 QB active on game day, so he will never be active (unless Trent isn’t) so really doesn’t hurt anything
You could have 3 active. But that is redundant because of the “emergency QB” designation.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hence why the 3rd QB is always dressed even if he is not on the active roster.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 17, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Really, cause I had heard you can only have 2 active which is why people were baffled with the Dolphins picking White. because if you make White active then he has to be your back up – darn ESPN for giving me bad info…
Well… In the Dolphins case it makes sense to have three active. Pennington is the starter and Henne is the backup. If White is the emergency QB he can’t play unless both of the other QBs are injured and then they can’t come back into the game. Now if Pennington is the starter and White listed as “backup” with Henne as the emergency QB, White could come in and run Wildcat and Pennington could lead the regular offense. Then if Pennington got injured Henne could come in and play the rest of the game but the other two QBs couldn’t play then. It’s a weird system.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said, it’s a weird system. Don’t get all in bunches over it.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 18, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's the most important part...
He can be on the field gamedays. It comes down to who can dress on Sundays. By designating Hammy the emergency QB they can keep 43 roster spots open plus having Edwards and Fitz dressed. Not keeping Hamdan on the roster wouldn’t open up any of those 43 gameday roster spots. In the grand scheme of things the Bills generally only keep people on the roster that will see the field. The big exception was Demetrius Bell. The number that is even more important than the 52 on the roster is the 45 active on gameday.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So, could the Bills cut him but then sign him as a ‘coaching intern’ like the Eagles did with Nagy? Of course, they weren’t successful in moving him to the roster, but that was because of an AFL contract…
In theory.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But it doesn’t make sense. As long as he’s not practicing he can be a team employee. What’s the big deal in them hiring him as a consultant?
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 18, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Trade
It would sure be nice if the Bills could package either Denney/Kelsey/Ellis or Bryant with Roscoe and upgrade the depth at the LB spot.
I still feel that Lankster ends up on the practice squad too.
Roscoe’s worth more to this team as a player, than as trade bait.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 17, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
The depth at LB is fine. Nic Harris has played well. They like Ashlee Palmer, though his injury hurts his chances. Pat Thomas has started games in this league. Plus in Brian’s projection he has Buggs and Palmer on the practice squad you could call up at any time.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Keeping 4 TE's or 3 TE's
Until Nelson establishes the ability to Block on a consistent basis we are only talking about Three real tight ends. We will find in the next two weeks that these tight ends will need to block and block well. I am expecting the Packers and the Steelers to apply pressure in our no huddle attack that will prove their true tight end legitimacy. We may find one tightend on the LOS and one in a back field with Jackson. Remember that our O-Line will need alot of time to get through some of the things they haven’t seen yet.
Secondly, Rotation on the D-Line. Defensive End or Defensive tackle we will need rotational players that can play at a high level. Bryant, Ellis, Jones and Mace could be the fresh legs we need. Nobody says that we have to go with traditional formation. Look what the patsies are experimenting with. I would like to see if Bryant could be a third DT. Either way I would like to see us keeping a combination of Ten. Let Carry Harris go hasn’t shown much to this point.
Finally, if Marshawn wasn’t suspended for three games, we wouldn’t be discussing one of these guys, IMO.
You have a point about D-line rotation that I think has not been mentioned, VSM
That being, if our No Huddle fizzles at times, as it has in both preseason games, then your defense bearly gets a blow before they have to be out there within a couple of minutes. That means you need at least two elements in your favor: your linemen have to be in very good condition, and you need a good rotation of fresh guys ready to come in as soon as Stroud, Williams, Kelsay or Schobel gets gassed.
With that in mind, I hope these guys are doing sprints every practice. And I certainly keep Bryan and Ellis, and I’d go for Jones, too, assuming he looks at least competent as a rotational player.
I know our head coach would love to have 20 DB’s on the squad, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
by Defensewinsgames on Aug 17, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Our offense had its first 3 and out only when our 4th QB was in and was backed up to our goal line – the no huddle seems to be pretty effective at picking up yards…
The first team offense’s second possesion was a 3 and out. But it took just as much time off the clock as a 3 and out last year. It’s not a hurry-up it’s a no-huddle.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally, if Marshawn wasn’t suspended for three games, we wouldn’t be discussing one of these guys, IMO.
Is anyone arguing over Xavier Omon being cut when Marshawn comes back? The DE and DT stuff you are talking about exists regardless of the Lynch suspension.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t, he was dressed for too many games last year.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 17, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmmm
I could see the end of the line in Buffalo for Denny even though he is solid dependable rotation player. The Bills have to infuse some youth with the potential to get better at the DE position and Denny could be the odd man out. He won’t be out of a job long and would provide depth for many teams.
If Lankster gets cut (which he won’t), he won’t get the chance to make it to the Bills practice squad because some team will pick him up—-most likely the Bears who need DB depth and just watched him make 2 ints in the Bills version of theTampa 2, which of course the Bears play….
LBs and OLs
Keeping 6 LBs and 8 OLs make me uncomfortable, especially when keeping 5 Safeites and 4 TEs. Even more troubling to me is the 4 LBs other than Poz and Kawika — boy, that’s not a good list for the heart of our defense (so, in a sense, I agree with the 6 LBs — we can just pick up anybody later if we need one). I would drop Wendling and Schouman (don’t scream!) and keep Bryan and Bowen (but find a better LB from a roster cut veterans list after the final cuts).
Why would you keep Bowen if you’re just going to replace him anyways? Besides you can stick Bowen and Palmer on the PS and sign them to the active squad later if needed.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree with you. I just think we really have a weak LB corp. Curious to see how Angelo does in TB.
But my point why even mention keeping Bowen? Why not just say we can sign someone else later. Besides, I don’t know what LB you think is going to be cut that would be an upgrade over anyone on our roster.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 18, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
All I want to know
Is what honestly has Derek Scouman done to warrant the #1 spot at TE? Now you could definitely counter with, ‘what have any of them done?’ and be right but Scouman we have more information on and more game film on him. And I like Hamdan as much as the next guy and he’s improved, but I’m starting to wonder if these players aren’t still on the team because their Trent’s buddy o’ pals and we have an Offensive coach from Boise State.
Ha, I hadn't even made that connection.
Kugler probably has spoken up for Schouman in the meeting rooms. And he played for the Broncos when Kugler coached there. How much influence does Kugler have on this team, anyway?
I’d say Schouman is a dependable, competent TE who still has upside. And, he’s got Trent’s confidence. That has to count for something. Like Kelly’s security blanket, McKellar, he’s always out there in the flat if you need him.
Is he Tony Gonzalez. Nope. But then every team in the league is looking for another one of those guys. Nobody, including the Bills, has found him, with the possible exception of the Chargers. Maybe you don’t get Pro Bowl TE’s in today’s NFL. I’d be satisfied with Schouman as a starter until we see what we have in Nelson.
by Defensewinsgames on Aug 17, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Nelson won't start this year.
His blocking skills are undeniably terrible. I’ve seen him whiff on Chris Ellis and others at camp.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
???
Since Schouman seems like a lock an Nelson has made the team is there a possibility that Stupar beats out Derek Fine and takes his spot. I haven’t read much on Fine and what type of camp he is having.
I doubt it. They like what Fine brings in terms of his blocking plus he doesn’t have bad hands. If I was a betting man, I would bet on 4 TEs and no McIntyre.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here. Or 3 TE, no McIntyre and Stupar on the PS.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 17, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Might sound strange..But,
I was thinking that Nelson just looks too fast and too strong to keep at the line..Maybe bump him to the Slot receiver..He’s a perfect fit for that I think..If we can’t trade Roscoe,then maybe Jenkins could go to the PS for the time being..Stupar reminds me of Paul Costa from years ago..Not as big of course,but the same kind of guy that always finds a way to get between defenders and get that first down..Plus,Stupar right now seems to block at least as well as any other TE we have..
by FanFromThe80s on Aug 17, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions
Jenkins has no PS eligibility left.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 17, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybin
Is it ok now to say how rediculous Maybin’s agent is being? For 3 weeks we have been told that this is just the normal process of slotting, and that it is Crabtree’s fault, and that others are waiting around Crabtree. We have been tweeted by Maybin that he wants to get to camp, etc., etc., etc. I would like to now be released from the self-imposed restriction — we can now say that Maybin and his agent are acting against our interest (unless, of course, it is the Bills that are being rediculous . . .)
Looking at the roster here, I can’t help but wonder who the weekly inactives would be. Hamdan would be the 3rd QB obviously so who are the other 7?
-the 6th WR certainly. Hardy when he’s off the PuP list, but if he starts there, then it might just be Stevie. Would the team keep Jenkins, but keep him off Teams? I would hope so with Stevie taking his ST reps, but who knows with the staff…
-9th OL
-Stupar probably
-Ellis
-Lankster
Who are the other two? Would we keep just 2 RB’s active each week with Rhodes (or Omon early) not dressing? How about only 4 active Wr’s? TO, Lee, Reed and Roscoe are weely actives, but can they afford to leave a 5th inactive? How about McCargo if he’s playing hard and well? I can’t leave any of the 3 backup LB’s inactive because they’ll all be big ST contributors. The team will want Byrd out there on D, and Wilson and Wendling are both huge ST guys. I guess Youboty or Corner would not dress each week as one of the final two inactives. That’ll be some tough choices each week.
Of course it won’t be thaaaaat difficult when injuries are in play, but when healthy there should be some tough choices. Practices during the week could be huge!
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by Kurupt on Aug 17, 2009 5:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You should go to my posting – a bit of a different roster, but I put down who I think should be inactive/active
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 17, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Great comment.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the third RB was a gameday inactive. I’d bet on McCargo and the fifth DE easily. That’s three. I could see them going 4 WRs and keep Nelson on the field as their “fifth WR”, even seeing all 4 TEs active for that purpose. That is intriguing.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 18, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
cuts
I’m surprised to see Alvin Bowen on your cut list…I’ll admit I haven’t seen him do much, he has been invisible, just seems like the coaches have been so patient waiting for him to come back…Copeland Bryan seems an unlikely cut as well…
John Wendling, aside from his ST skills, which I think are questionable…he gets down the field first but can’t seem to lock up the tackle…seems like a player to be cut to me.
by takethebillsandtheover on Aug 17, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions
Why would it be surprising if a player who has been invisible gets cut? And I’m not sure how the coaches having been waiting for him to come back. They worked out a ton of OLB’s this offseason, brought in Pat Thomas who has played OLB, drafted Nic Harris and have Bowen pretty far down on the depth chart. Seems like they expect very little out of him to me…
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by Kurupt on Aug 18, 2009 12:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
play maker
I still feel that Lankster ends up on the practice squad too.
Given this guy has been making big plays in practice and in games thus far, shouldn’t he be on the active roster? Particularly in light of the Florence injury?
Great breakdown by the way. As a displaced Buffalonian I so enjoy being able to get candid, well thought news on my Bills….. keep up the good work
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by thefourwinds on Aug 17, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He made it on Brian’s roster.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 18, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Run Defense & pass rush
I saw someone comment here about the run D being stellar the first 2 PS games but I could not find it to directly reply. As an Ohio Bills fan, I did not get to watch the 2nd game, so I cannot comment on that. But in the first game (especially in the first half when most of the starters & their bac ups were in) I was not impressed at all. I don’t have the stats, but it seemed to me that the Titans were ripping off 5-6 yards every carry and carrying half the Bill’s D with them. In fact all I could think was “here we go again.” That thought was only reiterated as the 1st & 2nd string offense took the field and drove fine between the 20’s only to settle for field goals (and in Trent’s case, a pick). I also saw very little pass rush out of anyone on the D. It sounds like the Bears game was a different story. Hopefully that is true and the Titans game was just a case of the jitters. I’m hoping for a better season and it all starts up front, primarily on the D. I hate to be a pessimist, but whatever scenario plays out roster-wise as noted above I am not convinced one bit the run D or the pass rush are fixed.
Buffalo’s first string defense has given up 19 yards on 9 carries this pre-season (in four drives, with a TD to LenDale White). The only run they’ve allowed of 5 yards or longer was to White on the run before his touchdown.
Further, Buffalo has given up just 66 yards on 24 carries in the two first halves they’ve played (i.e. the first two quarters of each game). That’s first- and second-unit defense, giving up 2.75 yards per carry. Exactly three runs (all in the Titans game) have been for 5 yards or longer. 5 runs have been stopped for loss, and three more for no gain.
So yeah. The run defense has been excellent. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 18, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
point taken
Like I said,I didn’t know the stats & didn’t see the second game. It just SEEMED to me that the Titans were moving the ball fairly effortlessly on their first couple drives. Even if they did, it sounds like they were very stout in the Bears game.
Thanks for the stats. That is reassuring.
And after all, this is just preseason.
Oh, don’t get me wrong – the Titans were moving the ball. They were just doing it through the air. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought MrFurious1 made a great point in a separate post about the Center position. And if it’s true that Brandon Rodd has been getting all the center reps that Hangartner doesn’t get, it seems to me you’ve got to leave a spot on the roster for Rodd.
Does anyone really believe that Seth McKinney could just step right into the Center role of this no-huddle attack when he’s not getting any reps there now? i can’t believe the coaches would be that short-sighted. I believe we have to take into account that Brandon Rodd will be on the 53-man roster as the backup center.
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It's a fair point.
I just haven’t seen anything from Rodd to justify his staying on the roster. He has been beat consistently.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 18, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
NIC HARRIS
Has anyone seemed to notice that this kid has a nose for the ball and seems to be a playmaker when he is on the field? I think we will see him overtake Ellison’s job pretty quickly. Talk about wanting playmakers on our defense…. thats exactly what Ellison isn’t. I wouldnt mind seeing him out there with the first team to see how he performs
How are the DT's faring?
i havent seen too much information on stroud and the rest of the defensive tackles. i saw the defensive line as a whole has been decent but are Stroud and the rest of ’em holding their own?

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