Bills' ends are getting on well without Maybin
by Brian Galliford on Aug 18, 2009 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintDisclaimer: Many of you will read this piece and believe that I have reached some sort of happy place in my mind in which I've come to believe the delusion that the Buffalo Bills' defense will improve without holdout DE Aaron Maybin. Nothing could be further from the truth. Put that notion out of your mind. We need the rookie. Rather than beat the Maybin holdout story to a pulp, however, let's talk about the ends that are currently with the team - and, in case you haven't noticed, been playing pretty well.
Aaron Schobel, Chris Kelsay and Ryan Denney - all ends that have been with the team since 2003 or earlier - have been the focus of a lot of consternation from the fan base, and not without reason. Buffalo's pass rush has been terrible in recent seasons. You don't need me to tell you that. But with some help from a couple of talented youngsters in Chris Ellis and Copeland Bryan, Buffalo's defensive ends have played rather well through two pre-season games. It's certainly not enough to make anyone forget about Maybin - clearly, that hasn't come close to happening - but the ends currently under contract in Buffalo deserve some (very) early praise from us. Yes, even you, Kurupt.
Chris Ellis is the big story
We heard early on in camp that Ellis, the second-year player out of Virginia Tech, might have a tough go of it making the roster, particularly when Maybin signs. As that signing has yet to happen, Ellis has benefitted. He's also benefitted in that he's taken almost exclusively second-team reps throughout training camp with Copeland Bryan injured as well. Two pre-season games in, Ellis has been so productive on the field that he's now virtually untouchable, even factoring in an eventual Maybin signing.
No end has come close to matching Ellis' nine tackles, sack and fumble recovery through two pre-season games. He has been Buffalo's most productive player at the position by leaps and bounds. The sack and fumble recovery came on back-to-back plays in the Bills' victory over the Chicago Bears this past Saturday. Ellis' play has been full of hustle and a surprising knack to get in on plays; if he keeps this up, he might be poised to make a much-needed impact for a defense that could use it from this particular position.
Veterans steady
The much-maligned trio of Schobel, Kelsay and Denney have combined for three tackles through two games; then again, Schobel and Kelsay have only played four drives each. Kelsay, on a counter-move, was responsible for a hurry that led to an early Jay Cutler throw that was intercepted by CB Leodis McKelvin. Though he is the only end other than Maybin to not record a single statistic this pre-season, Kelsay's play looks improved.
Schobel is still Schobel. He's playing fast and strong this pre-season, and he'll turn it up a notch or two when the games count. Denney hasn't spent a lot of time in backfields to this point after leading the team in sacks with four last season, but he has been very stout against the run - and in case you hadn't noticed, Buffalo's run defense has been outstanding through two games.
Even Bryan, who missed plenty of practice time with a hamstring injury, quickly re-asserted himself into the race with a sack and forced fumble against Chicago. He was borderline unblockable on Saturday; Ellis has turned some heads, but Bryan's play - though there hasn't been as much of it - has been almost as impressive.
Still need Maybin
Again, I caution you not to read anything into this beyond the fact that Buffalo's ends are playing well right now. I'm not in the same galaxy as "Hey, we might be OK without Maybin!" Right now, with Maybin still playing the waiting game, the Bills have five players that can legitimately contribute in spurts on game days. There's something to say for having numbers at this most critical of positions. Maybin will add an element of explosion once he gets here. When that happens, the Bills will be six-deep, with players that can do a little bit of everything. Right now, the situation is good, however - these five ends are performing.
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Aaaaaaaaaand cue 6,000 Maybin comments and maybe a dozen about Chris Ellis. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 18, 2009 6:08 AM EDT reply actions
I think your exactly right Brian
Good article and this stuff needs to be said: these ends ARE playing better than expected and Ellis and Bryan have been surprises. I really don’t have any opinion about Maybin but I could tell from the 2nd preseason game that the Veterans and Rookies were playing well, and I hope it continutes.
So you were awake at 6 AM.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 20, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Ellis - hustle?
I have been confused about the Chris Ellis situation. One minute I am hearing that he is lazy and basically walking through practice. The next minute I hear that he is a beast on the field and is nearly unstoppable. Which is the truth and why the seemingly love/hate feelings toward Ellis?
Why can’t both be the truth? Why can’t he dog it in practice and turn it up on the field? There isn’t one defined “truth,” as you term it, with Ellis – I’ve observed casual and hustle from him on the field. He needs to find one work ethic and stick to it.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 18, 2009 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Why can’t he dog it in practice and turn it up on the field?
Apparently he’s been learning under the tutelage of Schobel.
So easy Marshawn Lynch can do it.
It is when you are fighting for a spot.
Schobel has a spot. Ellis didn’t.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 20, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Why does a quote from "The Replacements" seem appropriate for these guys?
“There is no tomorrow for you, and that makes you all very dangerous people! "
Besides Maybin, how many of these DEs would actually survive a regime change?
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
I think
Copeland Bryan was the story last week. He was absolutely getting after it. I thought he out played Ellis by a country mile, even though this was Ellis’ best game.
It’s an expression, and it comes from estimating distances out in the country, where everything is not blocked off in square mile increments. If you ask someone out in the country how far something is, you’re likely to get an answer like, “follow this road a couple miles (when it’s really about a dozen miles), then take the left fork in the road for a few more miles (another dozen and a half)…”
So a country mile really is farther than a city mile!
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by thefourwinds on Aug 18, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Flip Flopping Brian?
Ellis has been so productive on the field that he’s now virtually untouchable, even factoring in an eventual Maybin signing.
Last week I’m pretty sure you said he was not going to make the roster! You also said he has bad work ethic. Now that you’ve realized he will make the roster, try going to Buffalobills.com and listening to this video “Dick Jauron Meets the Media
(4:17) Posted 08/17/09”. Let’s see what Dick thinks about his work ethic.
Haha. I’m not backing down from my belief that Ellis’ work ethic wasn’t up to par when I saw him in two practices. But I said then, and I’ll say it again now: that was just two practices. I’m far more concerned with what he does on the field, and he’s been excellent there.
His work ethic remains inconsistent.
If that makes me a flip-flopper, then sure, I’m a flip-flopper.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 18, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair Enough
Did you watch the video though?
by buffaloboy90 on Aug 18, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope, but I will later on. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 18, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say that Ellis was dogging it the times I saw him in practice. Perhaps he had a minor injury during the two days Brian was there, or maybe he just had a couple of bad days. As the story in this morning’s Buff News suggests, he has done pretty well at training camp as a whole.
That’s entirely possible. I just know what I saw – he was skating through drills that guys like Kyle Williams and John McCargo were exploding through. They were running those drills violently. Ellis was not. There could be a million reasons why. As long as he’s performing, I couldn’t care less what I saw those two days. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 18, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha, I love it when people say they could care less!
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 18, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, don't even think about using my chapstick :-)
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Most of the time he looked fine. Yesterday Bobby April was looking for him and barking at him on the kick return drill. He wanted him to be a “kick off guy” to work against the returners. He yelled at him and Stupar and Stupar took a step closer and said “I’m right here coach.” He was standing five yards away but Ellis was down the field. Dunno if April called his name once before that or not…
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 20, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Denny...
I’ll stick to what I posted yesterday, Denny will be the odd man out, the end position needs a shot of youth and aggressiveness. When Maybin eventually signs combined with the play of Ellis & Byran and Spencer’s versatility the Bills will have no choice but to let Denny go or possibly trade him.
I agree – I think Denney is on the bubble. If you want a run stuffing DE just put a DT in at end. I wonder if Denney is a type of player that would be a good 3-4 DE. Maybe one of those teams would give up a late rounder for him.
And I’ll also agree than I think Bryan has been better than Ellis, and I think both are making the team, regardless of Maybin signing or not.
Has Bryan been playing on STs?
What do you think the Bills would get for Denny?
A late round draft choice next year vs. dependable rotation guy with a ton of experience, if not a spectacular performer, to compete with the young guys as Kelsay’s backup this year.
Last year we had injury issues on the line. I’m not sure Jauron, knowing he’s got this year, and this year only, to bring this team up a notch, sacrifices Denny for a late draft choice. Under those circumstances, Denny ain’t goin’ anywhere.
Now, if you were to tell me the Bills were cooking up a big three-way trade with, say, Detroit, St. Louis, and Denver, which involved Denny, Parrish, Youboty and Marcus Buggs, then I might listen.
I’m just sayin’.
by Defensewinsgames on Aug 18, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that it's between Denny and Kelsay
I think Schoebel, Maybin, and Ellis are locks and the odd man out is among Denny, Bryan and even Kelsay (because of the money). If it were me, I think I’d keep Denny and Bryan. I’m definately not a Kelsay basher, but I don’t think the dropoff would be noticeable and you could save a few bucks.
Denney
Denney (let’s give the guy some respect — its spelled Denney) is like Josh Reed. Just love the guy and he works really hard. Not a great player, but dependable. Just a 2nd rounder who played well and getting a little old. Just absolutely hate to see him go, but he will never give you more than what he already has (Denney — 4 sacks, good run defense; Reed — 50 catches, 1 TD).
In my opinion, you get the same type of production out of Denney as you do Kelsay (liittle to no sacks, but good run defense). The difference in my mind though is that Denney is super tall and always gets his hands up, making for more tipped passes and decisions by the opposing quarterback not to try to throw over him.
Alas, I know the inner circle feels otherwise.
Kelsay knocked a pass down two days ago at camp. They both have batted passes.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 20, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The Bills would get nothing for Denney. Nobody is trading anything for a 32 year old with an injury past in the final year of his contract.
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by Kurupt on Aug 18, 2009 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thinking purely long term
Trading or cutting Denney isn’t smart. Like them or not, Denney and Kelsay have proven that they can be starters, though average at best. Ellis nor Bryan have. Fact: we only have 3 game proven ends and 2 unknowns (Maybin, Ellis) and a semi-proven end (Bryan).
6 months from now, Denney will be a free agent. Schobel may or may not be the same player he once was. We’ll know if Kelsay has improved any. Maybin and Ellis/Bryan will have a year of games under their belt, and management will have a better feel for their future.
But for today, Maybin, Ellis and Bryan are unknowns. So is the effectiveness of Schobel to some degree. Better to keep a proven three (Schobel, Kelsay, and Denney) and an unproven two (Maybin and Ellis/Bryan) and keep adding next year. The edge rushers available via UFA and the draft is the best in a while.
I like your logic
and it’s enough to make me think they should and will keep all six. You have to decide whether you would rather have a sixth end, Justin Jenkins, Xavier Oman, or the 4th tight end. At the end of the day it’s probably not going to determine whether you make the playoffs or not, but given the injuries to Schoebel, Kelsay, and Denney and Maybin’s holdout, I think it’s pretty safe they keep 6 ends.
I'd rather try out the unproven guys with a higher ceiling
Better to see if we can get better than to stand pat on our mediocrity.
Didn’t he sign a 3-year extension?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 18, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
6 DEs
If they only keep 4 DT’s and 6 LB’s they could keep 6 DE’s to start the season. This is more likely the longer Maybin’s holdout goes.
Question: Is there any chance we see them give maybe Maybin some OLB work when he gets in? If and a big IF Maybin can be a backup OLB in case of an in game injury than this could allow both Ellis/Bryant and Denney to make the roster.
I’d much rather they keep a guy like Bryan or Ellis who may earn their position than Omon or Hamdan who are kept because there is no one else at their position…
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by Kurupt on Aug 18, 2009 9:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Omon or Hamdan
Omon makes the roster or PS only because of the Lynch suspension, then depends on the contribution from McIntyre. Hamden would be risky letting go, he is learning our offense and although doesn’t compare to Trent or Ryan could be worth a pick up by a team looking for No Huddle information for that defense. Our pass rush has been lacking for so long, I would hate to see any of these two leave.
Is anybody gonna pick up Hamdan? He will be there if we need him.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 20, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It is an odd dynamic right now. I mean with Edwards injury history it would be risky to go with only 2 QBs and with Lynch out you probably need 3 Rbs considering it is unlikely we are keeping a FB. However, considering we most likely won’t re-sign Denney and both Kelsay and Schobel are getting up in years in is important to find a way to keep both Ellis and Bryant. Especially Ellis.
Do you really need 3 RBs with Lynch out? You’re taking a small risk with just two active RBs, but the chance that both get hurt in a game is pretty low.
I can’t see it happening, but I’d just go with 2 RBs, and no FB, to start the season and free up a couple spots for useful players.
If you only keep 2 RB’s and 1 gets hurt then that RB has to play every snap the rest of the way regardless of fatigue or even if they get banged up for one play. There is a better chance the Bills keep 2 Qb’s than 2 RBs/
The team went with 2 active RB’s for the majority of last year. Omon dressed for like 4 games. I’d much rather just go with 2 RB’s again…
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by Kurupt on Aug 18, 2009 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you have captured the theme, Berg. This IS an odd dynamic.
You got guys you’re expecting a lot from – Lynch, Maybin, Florence and Owens just to name four – who will be out for awhile and unable to contribute. That means you keep guys you might not otherwise want on the roster.
On the up side, look at the game experience you get to give your backups and all the film you get on guys in a live football game, as opposed to just the camp film. As long as we’re expecting the big names to come back soon, this might not be a huge deal and could actually work in our favor.
The D-line is aging by NFL standards. You’ve got to have some guys in the pipeline ready to come along if one of the older guys goes down, or you decide not to re-sign him to a contract. Given that, I think it’s entirely plausible the Bills keep more D-line guys than they did last year. Bryan and Ellis as a minimum.
by Defensewinsgames on Aug 18, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I rec’d that kurupt, as I wholeheartly agree. I’m like the rest of you very encouraged by our DE’s abrupt development and hopefully the likes of Chris Ellis and Copeland Bryan continue to prosper now that Maybin is holding out.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Aug 18, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions
I, for one, appreciate the effort of these hard working over-achievers. At least THEY don’t think the future of the Bills revolves around Mr. Holdout.
Frankly, I can’t see what there is to support the opinion that Maybin will come in and make an immediate substantial impact at DE. I also would like to see him get reps at OLB whenever he finally decides to show up.
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A Denny Trade..
You never know when a team might get hit with an injury bug during the pre-season and are forced to make a trade. Denny could be worth anywhere from a 5th to a 7th. He is a legtimate 2nd stringer that could start in a pinch, provide depth and does have some pass rush ability.
Just my opinion but I believe Kelsay is going to have his best year as a Bill and will be highly productive. With Stroud & Williams in the middle, Schobel back, the LB unit looking stronger and the secondary young fast and improving, Kelsay is in the perfect position to fly under the radar and cause havoc…
The Bills have recently had their share of injury filled seasons aren’t they due for a relatively light year on the injury front.
I agree it would be nice.
The fact is we have so many unanswered questions about players because they have been injured and missed significant time. Even John McCargo and thats going back a few years. He is still only our 4th best DL IMO. Spencer Johnson has played well. Bowen, Ellis, Youboty etc… It has gotten old and indirectly has contributed to our multiple 7 – 9 seasons and the carreers of the players that have been healthy. Heck, Poz is beginning his second full season. The thing I don’t like about Ellis is he doesn’t practice the way he plays and Our O-Line needs that hussle in practice. Trent needs that pressure in practice, etc…
From what I recall, this thing with Ellis and practice is nothing new.
I’m sure he’s not earning extra bonus credit with Bob Sanders for lolling through the drills, but in the end you’ve got to evaluate him based on his performance on the field on Saturday or Sunday. Brian is right about that, distasteful as it may be.
In Saturday’s game he had a sack and a fumble recovery on consecutive plays, and generally played with passion. Hard to downplay that.
by Defensewinsgames on Aug 18, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
In Dick's last post practice conference
He stated that Ellis works very hard in practice…he is getting stronger every day (which we need him to do) and we really like him.
I don’t know what all this lolly gagging talk is about.
It’s about what Brian saw in his two practices. And Dick Jauron would never, ever, ever call a player out in the media. Try to remember a time when he called someone out. People complain about his interviews all the time but he gives away nothing in them and isn’t that what you want from a coach?
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 20, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris Ellis
I thought you said a while back that Ellis was kind of going half asked through some drills, just assuming he’d make the team and wasn’t really making an impact, or did he change his mindset, and like you said only feel the need to step up with some injuries.
Also didn’t someone say 4 or 5 days ago that a deal with maybin would be in 24-48 hours?
then 2 days later, someone said it again.
"Predictions sure to go wrooooooong......yeah!"
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
John Clayton made the 24-48 hours prediction on Maybin. Obviously, he was wrong. Everything I’m hearing right now says that there’s still a pretty considerable gap that needs to be closed before a deal is reached.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 18, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
MRW seemed to think it would happen pretty quickly, too! ;-)
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by thefourwinds on Aug 18, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah… I was just hoping he would be at camp so I could see him.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 20, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t blame you at all.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 20, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why I can’t stand to listen to Clayton. More wrong that right, I’m just surprised by this cause Coach Sal said they were close and that guy is money.
He said they were closer… and yeah, Coach Sal is good at what he does.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 18, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it safe to say it’s just a difference of opinion in overall money and bonus money?
Or said another way, they’ve agreed on the number of years?
It would seem the first issue would be an easier gap to bridge than the second.
I honestly couldn’t tell you. That type of information is rarely made available by “sources.”
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 18, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Considerable Gap
Phrases like this turn my stomach, but then I think about two speed rushers on the corner with Brady in their sites. I love the battle between Bryant and Ellis. They need to repeat last weeks efforts. It was Chicago’s first PS game and against there second / third team lineman.
Big Mistake
The Bills should have never gotten rid of strength and conditioning coach Rusty Jones during the Mularky era. After 20 years with the Bills he was dumped in 04 and the Bills haven’t been the same since….
I’ve often wondered why they dumped Rusty Jones. He seemed like one of the best in the league at his role. Why would you get rid of a guy that was clearly ahead of the curve?
Get the Bills back to the big game!
If I remember right Mularky brought in one of his acquaintances but he wasn’t close to Rusty.
FYI—-Jones was named 2006 National Professional Strength and Conditioning Coach of the Year by the Professional Football Strength and Conditioning Coaches Society in February of 2007.
Is Jones working with another team now?
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by thefourwinds on Aug 18, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone else
want to tell me again that I’m crazy or dead wrong for sticking by the fact that Ellis is 100% making this team? Once again, he is a second year third rounder at a position of weakness on our defense and is talented. There is no way in hell that the Bills cut this game, zero. Everyone can talk about guys like Stupar all they want but any team that keeps a promising 4th string tight end over a 2008 third round defensive end needs to get checked. Ellis is making this team, he should make this team, and once again, he will register around 6 sacks playing in a rotation. He will come in on passing situations and he is athletic enough to beat tackles to register around 6 QB sacks this year, we have been so used to mediocrity that when I say this everyone says this number is way too high. 6 sacks isn’t that much, average ends with pass rushing skills have reached this number before.
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What is this word “sack” you keep referring to? ;-)
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by thefourwinds on Aug 18, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Definition of sack
Etymology: Middle English sak bag, sackcloth, from Old English sacc, from Latin saccus bag & Late Latin saccus sackcloth, both from Greek sakkos bag, sackcloth, of Semitic origin; akin to Hebrew śaq bag, sackcloth
Date: before 12th century
1 : a usually rectangular-shaped bag (as of paper, burlap, or canvas)
2 : the amount contained in a sack; especially : a fixed amount of a commodity used as a unit of measure
3 a : a woman’s loose-fitting dress b : a short usually loose-fitting coat for women and children c : sacque 2
4 : dismissal
5 a : hammock, bunk b : bed
6 : a base in baseball
7 : an instance of sacking the quarterback in football
I believe he was referring to any of the previous 6 definitions – or perhaps he just meant number 4… :P
by Ghetts on Aug 18, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now that’s comedy…yeah, it would be good to see a few players “sacked.”
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by thefourwinds on Aug 18, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahaahhaahah
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6 sacks isn’t that much, average ends with pass rushing skills have reached this number before.
If it’s not that much why can none of our guys get it?
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 20, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it me, or does Ellis have some chicken wing arms? I finally caught the first half of the Bears game last night (the VCR tape shredded itself at the beginning of the 2nd half – and yes, I did say “VCR”). I was somewhat impressed with Ellis, and I was very harsh on him last year. If he continues to play like that (and maybe do some curls), he might be a keeper, and I’d be happy to flip flop on him.
How far apart can Maybin and the Bills be? They have to be literally hemming and hawing over a relatively small amount of money, relative of course to the overall size of the deal. I think it’ll be a shame if the kid can’t get a few snaps in the Steeler game.
Crabtree's Ploy is BS and So Is Maybin's if He's Hanging on Crabtree
Crabtree thinks that because he surprisingly dropped below Heyward-Bey that he should somehow get that slot’s money. Let’s see, does the opposite hold true??? If a team reaches on a player do they get to say, “I know I picked you 11th, but you were projected to go 16th so I’m going to pay you 16th”. That’s crap. Projections are just that, but the way you were actually picked is a fact. I remeber when the Bills picked McGahee, some people thought they should get to pay him less because he wasn’t ready to play. That is also crap. You picked me 23rd, pay me 23rd. Nobody made you pick me. I know there are two parties negotiating and the Bills don’t have the best track record, but it was Maybin’s camp that said it was Crabtree’s fault. Very weak indeed.
Aaron Who?
Not winning over Bills fans when we could have taken Ayers, Orakpo, Larry English, etc. – Maybe he will be back playing with Penn State!
Brian, you drive me NUTS!
but Bryan’s play – though there hasn’t been as much of it – has been almost as impressive.
Yet you don’t even have him making the roster, instead you have 4 TEs. Are you just trying to get me worked up!?!??!?!
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