Contract talks stalled with Bills' top pick Maybin - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
Negotiations between the Buffalo Bills and the agents for rookie DE Aaron Maybin have once again stalled. John Wawrow of the AP has the latest.
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well at least neither side is being childish
and blaming the other publicly. at least we got that going for us, which i nice.
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The fact that this isn’t vitriolic is good news, but only when comparing it to the Smith and Crabtree holdouts. (Ironic that Smith was Buffalo’s top choice, followed by Maybin.) It’s still not great news.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 18, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I shudder to think what would have happened if Smith was picked by Buffalo.
I was in the camp that felt “Screw the headcase, the talent is worth it:” but now I’m glad Smith wasn’t there for us to take. Some have compared Maybin to Jason Peters, which I think is quite hyperbolic, but with Smith, it doesn’t seem like a stretch at all. Definitely glad we dodged that bullet.
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by killascript on Aug 19, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Quality film reference!
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by thefourwinds on Aug 18, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Would a good guess be that they’re both off by say 2-4 million total, and 1-3 million guaranteed? I really thought something would have been done by today to get a jersey on the kid in order to play a few downs against Pittsburgh. I figured once Segal & Co were done with Vick, this would move quick. So much for thinking…
About a 10
on the lameness scale
I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying
You would think
there’d be alot more anger. I think everyone’s just doing a wait and see.. We know maybin will make the team. What we don’t know is will copeland or ellis.
I’d like to see what Maybin has, but ah well, let Copeland or Ellis fight it out a little more!!
whats there to get mad about
im almost certain everyone on this blog has come the realization that this was a possibility awhile ago. with so many threads about this guy not signing, i think everyone is just done with it until he signs.
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 18, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Greedy greedy!
It is getting to a point of ridiculousness now. What is the holdup?
We need this guy. I’m not about to be moved by some good practices and a few plays against backups for our current DE’s. Come on Maybin, segal and the team!
~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 18, 2009 9:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It is getting to a point of ridiculousness now.
Agreed there. They have parameters in place. Is Buffalo low balling him? I can’t imagine wanting to be lumped in with character swags like Smith and Crabtree. If something doesn’t happen tonite, my guess is that it won’t until the Bills pack up from Rochester and bring it back home.
Is Buffalo low balling him?
I wouldn’t be surprised if their offer is closer to Moreno’s than Raji’s… I happen to think OBD has a history of refusing to overpay players.
It should be closer to Moreno’s than Raji’s.
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by Ron From NM on Aug 18, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
It should be in the middle, shouldn’t it? I know Crabtree is right above Maybin, but he’s unsigned, so… Raji is the closest comparable ceiling.
I happen to think OBD has a history of refusing to overpay players.
When have the Bills ever lowballed a rookie? And why should they overpay Maybin?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I don’t think anything in that statement indicates I think they should overpay Maybin. I’m certainly not in favor of throwing more millions at an unproven player than are necessary.
My point was that if Maybin is asking for more than OBD thinks he’s worth (i.e. asking to be overpaid), they are not going to budge from their position.
Definitely not an encouraging report
I’d love to know exactly what they’re far apart on. There’s a pretty good baseline out there now, excluding Crabtree.
Diggin a hole
As of Tuesday, Maybin has missed 21 practices, 15 walkthroughs, countless film study sessions and two preseason games since the Bills opened camp in suburban Rochester on July 25. And it’s becoming increasingly likely that Maybin won’t take one snap at St. John Fisher College, because the Bills’ final day of camp is Wednesday, after which they’ll relocate to their headquarters in Orchard Park for the remainder of the preseason.
Regardless of fault, blame or anything else… for a rookie to miss this much vital learning time is significant. Considering this young man played only 13 games last season and is stepping into the “big boy shoes”…. he needs to be pushing his agent and the Bills need to be listening….. very rarely is a player that spectacular that missing such valuable time doesn’t adversely affect their ability to maximize their talent. Yeah, we are only going to be using him to enhance our ability to get to the QB but when a seasoned veteran TE or RT sees this kid using only the skills gleaned from 13 games at Penn St., all the talent in the world isn’t going to stop them from taking him out of the play or just plain old handling him. Get the deal done folks….. this guy could be useful and he is being hurt by missing this time at practice!
What if . . .
Maybin is injured…somehow…
although that would mean he’d want to sign any contract i guess…
When your a rookie…..you gotta just focus on getting to your team, getting better, and concentrating on learning and adapting to the NFL. All he’s doing is wasting valuable time in which he can prove how good he can…..Goodell has to come up with a better way of getting rookies signed without any holdups…too much power for players who havent played a single NFL game…
"BEAST MODE"
Ok seriously, WTF?
What is taking so long to di this. It should be generally simple at this point. WTF is the holdup?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 18, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
"....he’s dying," Maybe he can't breathe
and is at the doctor’s……getting his head pulled out of his a$$!!!!
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
by Joe P. on Aug 18, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m tired of commenting on this subject, but I just had to rec your comment, Joe!
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by thefourwinds on Aug 18, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. I know how you feel, man :-)
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Starting to get really angry over this
I like Maybin, I was estatic when Buffalo drafted him. He’s a fellow Penn Stater, so I even have more affection for him than a normal Bills fan, but this is getting insane.
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by Ron From NM on Aug 18, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I was with you, Ron. It’s interesting that so many people are now saying it doesn’t matter that much if Maybin signs — we’ll be ok without him. Which gets back to why I wish we had traded down and picked up two really good players who would have contributed a lot right from the get-go and also would have signed. If we wanted a DE there was Everette Brown in the second round or better yet Paul Kruger, who by all reports has been looking great in the Raven’s training camp. Will Maybin be better than them? Maybe, but the real question is whether he would be that much better than Brown or Kruger PLUS the guy we could have had around pick #20 to #25 if we had traded down.
I don’t think the agent is playing for the money as much as he is for reputation and next year’s clientele. Being an agent is just a nasty job. Seeking to climb up to the top of the agent ladder, he can’t be seen as weak or other agents will have that advantage in hiring talks with next year’s players.
Anybody a member on Foxsports Scout.com?
Apparently they have a Q&A with an agent on Maybin’s holdout…
by Squirmin' Thurman on Aug 18, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions
Here are some highlights of it....
Link
BFR: What do you believe is going on with Aaron Maybin’s contract negotiations?
Agent: All the other agents that have other guys are trying to blow up the salaries that they get. That’s part of their jobs. I get it. That’s not to say that an agent shouldn’t advocate on behalf of his client. He should. But similarly, you should advise your client to what is reasonable. What does holding out do to your long-term, on-the-field prospects?
BFR: Any chance Aaron makes an impact once he gets in then?
Agent: I think no. I could be wrong. He could be an exception and do it but realistically, even look at Jason Peters or any guy that sits out and misses most of camp. Some of them will still do well. But it’s the rule, rather than the exception that guys that go through an extended holdout do very poorly. Especially, when they’re trying to transition from the college to the pro game. This is where they’re making all their adjustments. This is where they’re learning to make their adjustments with contact against guys with that skill level.
You could throw Maybin into situations but then he’s just a situational player. I don’t know if that really helps the Bills.
Cool, just what we needed….ugh
BFR: So does this holdout basically come down to Segal?
Agent: Yeah.
BFR: Could Maybin turn around and fire Segal as his agent then?
Agent: Rarely. There probably are situations like that, but they’re so infrequent. They’re basically married to this guy. At this point, if they did that, there’s a lot of public egg on Maybin’s face and his family. They’re not sure. They’ve never dealt with this before. They don’t know what to do.
Isn’t sitting at home and holding out leaving egg splattered all over Maybin?
BFR: As a close observer to this situation, what do you think is going to happen here?
Agent: I think the Bills have probably made an offer but I’m sure that Joel Segal won’t even get serious discussions going until he sees what (Crabtree’s) number is. That’s where the need for a slot system exits, like what you see in the NBA.
That means we aren’t seeing Maybin until September….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 19, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
That
Is awesome
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 19, 2009 1:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wreck'd
Mother of pearl, this is so stupid.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Aug 19, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
but I’m sure that Joel Segal won’t even get serious discussions going until he sees what (Crabtree’s) number is
Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaat. I take back what I said about Maybin just being a player that wants a reasonable deal. If he’s waiting for Crabtree’s number it makes him just as much of a greedy a$$hole as Crabtree.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 19, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
What part of “Segal” made you want to blame Maybin?
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
the if you really want to play, it is time to fire your agent part!
painting Maybin as the victim is not going to work anymore. Time to grow a set and do the right thing, Maybin.
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Was I painting Maybin a victim? I didn’t think I was. But he and Segal are NOT equals in this.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well......in your defense you are only using a small brush,
where others are using a Wagner power sprayer :-)
The point is, Maybin IS the employer and Segal is the employee. How would it look if Maybin fired Segal? Maybin would win huge points with the fan base and Segal would look like the d-bag he is. If I were Maybin, I would tell him to get me a deal by Fri or you are fired. I don’t think Segal wants to take that kind of PR hit to his agency.
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
where others are using a Wagner power sprayer :-)
Umm… oups?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 20, 2009 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions
He did hire him after all….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 19, 2009 12:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not really up on this topic
What happens if he isn’t signed? Do the Bills have a wasted number 1 pick? Is there any compensation if Maybin never comes here? Is he free to sign with anyone else next season?
upon reading up at the 49ers blog i can actually answer that
if he isnt signed by week 10, he can re-enter the draft. at that point the bills would be forbidden to pick him again, and he would be free to sign with any of the other 31 teams. this would be tremendously stupid of him (and crabtree) because both would drop in next years draft and they would end up with less. and besides what team in their right mind would draft a player like that high again knowing theyd just hold out for more money. money now is worth more than the same money later anyways. especially a pick like maybin (where many thought it was a reach to take him at 11, not saying i did, im just saying many did). maybin would drop pretty far in the next draft, especially with the idea that next years draft will be a deeper one.
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 19, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
So not to stir the pot but...
how is what Maybin’s doing entirely different than what Jason Peters did while in Buffalo? Why is Maybin being given a pass (while never playing a professional down), yet Peters was slow-cooked like a stuffed pig in the pre-game lot?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 19, 2009 8:04 AM EDT reply actions
Biggest reason to me is that Peters was under contract. He had already agreed to do a job for a certain amount of money. Maybin never did that. Peters went back on his word.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 19, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah – how easy I forget that Peters actually had agreed to a contract…hah!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 19, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus, it’s a completely different experience trying to get fair market value as opposed to getting fair value as a rookie. The signing system is a totally different environment.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
it's beyond obvious
Maybin’s got his wagon firmly hitched to Crabtree’s. We all know that Crabtree’s gripe is that he was “predicted” to be taken higher and “should have” been taken instead of DHB. While it’s a ridiculous argument, somehow it makes sense in his warped mind/world. Maybin’s only justification for holding out is a very distorted angle on the slotting system, with hopes of Crabtree somehow getting a premium as justification for Maybin “slotting” based off of that premium. That type of reasoning should be an insult to Bills fans and a warning of how this kid’s mind works. Nothing but pure greed, period. The claims of him being beside himself about not being on the field with his team strikes me as a blatant insult on my intelligence, since his actions prove beyond any doubt that extracting every last dime is a higher priority than actually playing football.
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Read the interview above with an NFL agent that Kurupt supplied from Foxsports. It suggests that the problem is not that Maybin himself is greedy, but that he is trapped by his agent. Yes he could fire the agent, but as the interview explains that would cause him big trouble as well. It’s a rotten system and badly needs to be changed in the next CBA, but in the meantime it is much more accurate to put most of the blame for this particular fiasco on Maybin’s agent rather than on him. Once Maybin does sign I would be surprised if he isn’t a solid citizen for the Bills.
But if you read what the agent said, the only downside of firing the agent is “public egg on [Maybin’s] face.” I find it very difficult to believe that this holdout isn’t proving to heap more public egg on his face than if he committed to getting an agent that would help him get on the field for a reasonable contract.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 19, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
But if you read what the agent said, the only downside of firing the agent is "public egg on [Maybin’s] face."
No, it’s only the biggest. He also has to wait a full week before signing a new agent.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
As opposed to waiting until Crabtree signs in Sept? Pardon me if I’m missing the problem here….
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by thefourwinds on Aug 19, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where’s the proof that Crabtree’s the hang-up? There have been conflicting reports on that. Just last week, it was reported that significant progress was made after the Moreno deal. And the idea re-surfaced here because of what a random agent not involved with the negotiations believes.
My only point is this: WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THE HANG-UP IS. So to suggest that one party do something is faulty, because we don’t have anywhere near all the information. It is what it is.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Where’s the proof that Crabtree’s the hang-up?
from the one and only public comment by Maybin’s mentor “publicist” Lavar Arrington. Every other theory lofted is pure speculation. I’ll stick with the quote from the only source on the inside that’s offered any explanation so far,
“This Crabtree kid is putting people in this predicament,” Arrington said. “I just think people’s hands are tied until this guy gets around to doing what he’s going to do.”
What more do you need? I believe WE DO KNOW WHAT THE HANG-UP IS. Unless, of course, pure speculation trumps quotes from involved parties.
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Yeah, but as his “publicist,” THAT IS ARRINGTON’S JOB – he is SUPPOSED to take the blame off of Maybin, his “client.” Of COURSE he blamed Crabtree.
If you want to use that motivating factor as proof that Crabtree is really the hangup, be my guest. I see it purely as a public ruse to parade a little sentiment for Maybin. If Crabtree is the ONLY bad guy, then Maybin is misunderstood and everybody loves him again. Obviously it was short-lived.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
So your saying the problem is not Crabtree but it is Maybin? Either way, I don’t see any reasonable explanation, short of grasping at straws
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All I am saying is that no one really knows. It’s all speculation, so to get terribly upset at one side is the same as guessing which person to be mad at.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Would it be so bad if he fired Segal and expressed his desire to get signed ASAP?
~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 19, 2009 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No it would not
Just like the Peters situation, you could see this coming from a mile away. Isn’t his good friend Aarington supposed to be helping him with decisions like this? Thanks to these two Bozos, Maybin has set himself and the Bills pass rush back. He has basically flushed his ability to contribute for the first few games of the season. Thanks a lot fellas. Greedy SOBs.
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
I guarantee you that Russ Brandon and Jim Overdorf wouldn’t think so, but it’d be pretty bad for Maybin himself.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I would do, but he and his family are probably worried that if he does that he is sending a message to the Bills that he is desperate to sign which might cost him $2 million or so in the final deal. There are lots of situations in life like this when you figure that if you just stick things out a little longer you will get the result you want, and that that would be better than starting over from scratch. That can often be wishful thinking, but it’s not hard to see why someone would do that when a lot of money is at stake. Again, my guess is that Maybin himself is not motivated by greed but more by a desire not to make a bad mistake. The irony, of course, is that he is probably making a mistake.
by Macktruck on Aug 19, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yep. That sums it up PERFECTLY.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Good post....rec'd
I would only add that at some point you have to know when to throw your cards in. Or, maybe a better analogy would be if you give your friend the key to your car because you have had too much to drink. Your friend told you he was OK to drive, but he couldn’t stop from weaving all over the road. At some point, you have to tell him to pull over, take the keys, go your separate ways, and walk home. If you don’t, you are as responsible for the accident he got into has he is.
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Good post, although I tend to lean towards Joe’s opinion in addition. At some point, Maybin and his family have to say enough is enough. We’re probably not near that point yet, though.
Maybin is probably in too deep at this point to simply cave so we’ll see.
~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 19, 2009 2:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe he wants the "Quan"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fizqifumk&feature=related
Well, he has got the tears down. Maybe someone should tell him he is supposed to sign first.
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
how does he lose $2 million from where he’s already slotted? there’s been no indication that they’ve even come to the table. He’s rapidly approaching the point in time where his value decreases as time goes on.
"it was an almost completely fabricated rumor"-Brian Galliford
I didn’t say that he would lose the $2 million — just that he is probably worried about it. Remember, he has never been involved in anything like this before, and he is actually a bit younger than the typical NFL rookie. As for knowing when to say “enough is enough,” it’s easy to see from the outside that he should probably do that by this point but I’m not sure it’s as clear from the inside.
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I’m aggravated but using this as a reality check. I would have loved to see Maybin come in and immediately contribute becoming the pass rushing, sack monster we’re all hoping for. But the reality is that even if he emerges as a dominant player, its is unlikely to happen this year – hold-out or not.
Remember the frustration Houston fans felt when Mario Williams was selected first over Bush and Vince Young. He was being declared a bust before his career even began and now he’s a force. Its not too much to expect Maybin to emerge as a dominant DE in time, but I’m not freaking out about this now. Its just business.
maybe everyone has seen this
oops, lost my link http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=lCd4dWrTrcU
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Hasn't played a single down yet!!
- This is prime example of something having to be done regarding “rookie compensation”. You can look at many busts like Ryan Leaf, Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, etc., who made a lot of money and didn’t contribute.
- Prove your worth first Maybin!!!!!!!!!




















