Charting Buffalo's draft class through training camp
The Buffalo Bills are set to wrap up 2009 training camp at St. John Fisher College when their 9:30 AM practice is finished this morning. After roughly three and a half weeks' worth of practices, walk-throughs, meetings and two pre-season games, the Bills will head back to Orchard Park later today to continue their preparations for the regular season.
We'll be recapping the big stories to emerge from camp for you later on this afternoon (as well as covering the final practice), but for now, we want to focus on the rookies. The Bills drafted eight players in late April; while only six of them have seen extensive field action, there have been positive signs from the group as a whole.
Round 1, Pick 11: Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State. Nothing to report. Maybin remains a holdout, and once practice wraps up this morning, he'll have missed the entirety of his rookie training camp. Though progress was made towards a new deal late last week, a signing is not imminent. Signs point to Maybin not being ready to play in the team's regular season opener on September 14 in New England.
Round 1, Pick 28: Eric Wood, OG, Louisville. Maybin may be making himself unpopular to a portion of the Bills fanbase; any fan of football that likes grit, toughness and a killer work ethic, however, would appreciate Wood. He missed practices early in camp, but has caused a ruckus - quite literally - when he's been on it. Wood has taken virtually every rep at right guard with the first team offense since signing his contract, and the results, while inconsistent, have been very positive.
Wood is exactly the type of player that personifies everything that Bills fans appreciate in a player. He's smart, tough, and plays football the way it's supposed to be played - with zero regard for the welfare of the man lining up across from him. He has made his share of mistakes to this point, but he's also showed why he was a first-round pick, playing more consistently than one might have expected from a college center making a position switch. This year, he has a chance to be Buffalo's best run blocker. Next year, he might be an offensive captain. This guy's got a future.
Round 2, Pick 42: Jairus Byrd, FS, Oregon. He missed several workouts without a contract, then promptly missed several more while recovering from sports hernia surgery. Only this week did Byrd finally make it onto the practice field at Fisher, working with the third-unit defense at free safety. Byrd will play in at least two pre-season games - it's still unclear if the coaches will let him onto the field this weekend in Green Bay - and, as far as we can tell, that gives Byrd an outside shot at being able to contribute in the safety rotation starting in Week 1. But there's no denying that he, too, is behind.
Byrd got a bad rep in pre-draft workouts when he ran a 4.67-second 40-yard dash on a bum leg. Working out in individual drills, however, it's plain that Byrd is a gifted, natural athlete with tremendous hands for a DB. If he can catch up on the mental side of things, he'll be just fine as a rookie - i.e., he'll contribute.
Round 2, Pick 51: Andy Levitre, OG, Oregon State. Folks forgot pretty quickly that Levitre, too, is making a position switch after he struggled early in his first-ever NFL pre-season game. Moving inside to left guard from tackle, which he played in college, Levitre has made significant strides as well. He's already beaten out Kirk Chambers for the starting left guard slot, and his impressive improvement between the Hall of Fame Game and the Bills' second pre-season game left a lot of fans encouraged.
Levitre is every bit as tough as his draft classmate, Wood. He might even be a bit more outspoken. Levitre is undoubtedly a bit rougher around the edges - he wasn't drafted as high as Wood for a reason, after all - but both players seem to be progressing at roughly the same rate. It helps to have a veteran on each side of them, but don't discredit Levitre (or Wood) - he's a good football player.
Round 4, Pick 121: Shawn Nelson, TE, Southern Mississippi. Though he has missed and left practices with various ailments, Nelson has shown the type of raw athleticism that makes him such an intriguing mid-round prospect. There's no question that his potential is through the roof. His touchdown reception against Chicago was a thing of beauty, and exactly how the Bills plan to use him as a rookie.
Nelson has been working predominantly with lower units as a pure tight end, but he's also seen a significant amount of first-team reps as a slot receiver, particularly during red zone work. This is the right approach for Nelson - he's not the type of player to pick up an entire playbook immediately, but if the coaches can put him in the right situations, his athleticism will allow him to contribute. Once he has full control of his body and the offense, there's no telling just how good Nelson can become.
Round 5, Pick 147: Nic Harris, LB, Oklahoma. Harris closes his first NFL camp firmly entrenched as Keith Ellison's top understudy at SAM Linebacker. Though there is quite literally no chance that he'll start right away, Harris has shown the abilities that made him an intriguing fit, even while making a position switch from college safety to NFL linebacker - he is very active, tough enough in the box, and instinctual in coverage. He now plays a position where his limited athleticism does not impact his play. He'll be a good pro linebacker, but right now, he looks like strictly a specialist while he continues to learn the nuances of the position.
Round 6, Pick 183: Cary Harris, CB, USC. Though he had trouble getting reps early in camp, Harris has started to show signs of life in recent practice sessions. When I saw Harris at camp a little over a week ago, he looked completely lost; he has improved to the point, however, that he's now making plays on the ball. He was always a good fit for Buffalo's zone-based scheme, and though he's not exactly a playmaker, he has a shot to develop into a nice depth player in this system. Buffalo is so deep at cornerback, however, that Harris isn't anywhere near likely to make the final roster. He'll have to stick on the practice squad.
Round 7, Pick 220: Ellis Lankster, CB, West Virginia. From the moment that Lankster began intercepting passes and stealing reps from vets in the mini-camp setting, it was apparent that the Bills had found themselves a late-round gem. Lankster's flair for the dramatic has remained prevalent in the camp setting, and his two-interception performance against Chicago made him a household name. Lankster is tough, smart, athletic, and most importantly, he has a playmaking knack - something that the vast majority of the team's defensive backs lack. There is no way Lankster doesn't make the roster, making him one of the few seventh-round roster locks league-wide at this point. He clearly needs more polish, but right now, he looks like he could end up being Buffalo's fifth corner heading into the season - ahead of veteran Ashton Youboty.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I love it....
Makes me feel that I am on the cutting edge of breaking news. Of course now I go to bed and when I check next, you have had an entire day to gather new posts. Best of both worlds!
Heading over to practice again this AM.
Let’s hope the rain holds, rather than what the 10am forecast predicts. What
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 19, 2009 8:09 AM EDT reply actions
I will be there as well. With a wet phone that I hope works.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 19, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
sounds stupid, works wonders
submerge your phone into a big bowl on uncooked rice, or, although its a little more messy salt, and it will suck all the moisture from your phone. Ive brought one or two phones back from the dead with this method
by ballinbills1315 on Aug 19, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the guys at Verizon gave me the same advice. Thanks. Verizon had a set up outside and they didn’t lose any phones but lost a laptop due to the weather. Ouch.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 20, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Practice was really laid back today.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 19, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Great breakdown—-it looks like another strong draft class to go with the 08 & 07 draft classes (06 has produced 3 starters and depth). Sooner or later the talent will translate to victories on the field. This is the year the Bills turn the corner and become the surprise team of the AFC. They need to get the 900lb gorilla off their collective backs—-better known as the Patriots and they are gearing up to do it. They will split this year with the Pats and the Bills will be off and running!!!!
i can not wait for season opening victory on Monday night!
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by poz on Aug 19, 2009 10:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just wondering – is there any chance Byrd will return punts? Maybe replacing Jackson as Parrish’s backup – especially when Jackson is starting. And I’m definitely getting tired of seeing Rhodes and Hall back there when they both have muffed punts this year…
I highly doubt it. He’s not a world-beater there, though he’s certainly capable. I think they’d put McKelvin back there before anyone else, but it’s all Parrish anyways, so backup punt returner isn’t really an issue.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I will tell you he hasn’t returned one all year. Parrish is first with McKelvin and Rhodes getting some reps as well. Bruce Hall is getting some too. I haven’t seen Fred Jackson back there in a while and have never seen Byrd.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 19, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Would Langster
be a candidate for returning in the punt or kickoff game? He’s got great speed and apparently has experience in the past throughout his college career. I like everything I’m hearing and seeing out of this guy. Use him in any way you can to improve this team!
Go 7th rounder . . . . Gotta love it.
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Gotta love the 4.3 speed
but forget that for now…I’d rather see the Bills develop a young corner without making him return kicks.
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by killascript on Aug 19, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Who has 4.3 speed? I know Lankster doesn’t.
He also wasn’t a good return man at WVU, I doubt he would magically become one now anyhow!
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by Kurupt on Aug 19, 2009 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lankster was clocked as low as 4.44; I believe he ran 4.53 in pre-draft workouts.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Good enough to keep up with the bigger WRs in the league
That is fine by me…
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I’m pretty impressed so far with this draft class (as much as one can be in the beginning of the pre-season). Maybin is the only spot on an otherwise great draft, or so it appears at the moment. The Bills have appeared to find several gems this year.
Other than Maybin, Cary Harris is really the only one without much of a chance to make a significant contribution this year. Of course, what happens with Maybin remains to be seen.
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Maybin's Contract Delay
Possibly the Bills don’t want to bring Maybin in and put him on display in a public setting. This may be stretching things a little. Once they move back to OBD practices are a little more controlled as far as being open or closed. We still don’t now much about Aaron at the NFL level. We still don’t know how situational he is going to be utilized. I am saying that maybe the urgency isn’t there for the team as it is for us Rumblers. I continue to compare his skills to the bisquit even though there is no foundation for my comparison. I just remember that when Bennett arrived, the opponent didn’t have a plan for him.
Unfortunately, Byrd will see little to no playing time this week. This would be a good game for him. Aaron Rodgers and company and there passing attack will be a good test for our safeties. Time for them to step up and show stuff along with continued pressure up front by the big guys.
Yeah, that’s not close to being true about the Maybin thing. He’s not there because he’s not there. The Bills wouldn’t let a trivial little thing like that prevent him from getting coached.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
But at this point he’s missed all of camp so the odds are that he won’t have any impact for us this year anyway. At this point OBD should call his bluff and wait him out. He’s thrown away any possibility of making any sort of impact this year so why give in to any ransom money? The other huge advantage of waiting a bit more is that it is motivating Ellis big time to the point where he might have a much larger role than anyone could imagine at the beginning of camp.
I’d love to get Maybin in but at this point he’s missed so much that it’s probably smarter to just wait it out and not sell the farm.
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re: Maybin's Contract Delay
Is it too late to take a mulligan on the Maybin pick? That of course is a joke (kind of). But seriously, I REALLY understand now why teams trade down in the draft. The whole idea behind teams getting higher draft picks based on the previous year’s record is to help them be more competitive. At this point I’ve pretty much written him off for 2009. He in essence will be occupying a roster spot that belongs to another unfortunate player who most likely has been here since day one or beyond working his tail off. That hardly seems fair. Look, I understand the whole business thing and it is in the hands of Maybin’s agent blah, blah, blah…OK fine. But to add insult to injury, we will be paying this guy big bucks once he does show up. The way I see it, the only way this guy plays this year is if injuries hit the team like they normally do and he is forced off the pine. Then he will be thrown to the wolves with little or no preparation. I think I’d personally rather have a lower round pick that can actually contribute or future picks to do the same. Look at how some our late rounders are doing so far. That at least is encouraging. Nothing personal against the guy, but let’s face it – the Bills don’t even know what they have in him yet. In fact the knock on him coming out of college was that he was a one year wonder. What if that turns out to be true? Something to think about.
I can tell you that I was very high on Connor Barwin as DE/OLB and he had 2 tackles & 1 sack in his debut. Another guy that I liked a lot, a linebacker who in my opinion could play DE is Clint Sintim, he had 1 tackle, 3 assists, 1 Sack & 1 FF.
Both these guys were drafted in the second round. Another guy that I liked was Paul Kruger, also picked in the 2nd round had 2 tackles & 1 sack. All these guys were drafted after Byrd.
I still think that Pettigrew, Wood, Barwin, Levitre would have been a much better draft. Pettigrew would be a huge help in the run blocking and protecting Trent. Our biggest concern is the line and Pettigrew would have been huge in helping solidify that point. Withg Ellis getting better and a guy like Barwin, we could have had a great D-Line. Ps: I would have still drafted Nelson where we did had he been available.
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Pettigrew and Nelson??
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 20, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes Sir
Nelson was a steal in the 4th round – Pettigrew would have been a huge upgrade over both Dereks and Nelson remains more of a receiving/TE so it would have worked.
I remain concerned about the line and I think a guy like Pettigrew would have been a big help in that area. Barwin is like a young schobel and would have been perfect in Buffalo.
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Thanks for the recap, Brian. You got me pumped for some football action!
Let’s see how the Maybin thing unfolds. Maybe we can get someone to get Maybin’s agent moving on a deal. Anyone know the phone number for Terry Tate, Office Linebacker? The Bills’ front office has a job for you…
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by Blitz on Aug 19, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Anyone know the phone number for Terry Tate, Office Linebacker? The Bills’ front office has a job for you…
Awesome! Rec’d
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by thefourwinds on Aug 19, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahh yes, Terry Tate
One of the greatest marketing ideas to ever hit the tv screen, I always enjoy seeing chumps get laid out like this
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Brian, I know your right, but if he signs with in the next five days he could be a well kept secret against Billy and his boys. Maybe the team isn’t as desperate as I am. I am looking forward to beating these guys and a surprise Maybin pass rush is as good as Parrish returning a punt. Even though Aaron Maybin has zero NFL pass rushes.
Everything you say about this draft class is right on the mark, with one small exception. I don’t think Andy Levitre “beat out” Kirk Chambers at LG. Anyone who has been watching them lately would know that Chambers is the better lineman at this time. What happened is that Sean Kugler decided to put Levitre in as his starter on the belief that the rookie will be a better OG in the long run if he gets a lot of experience this year. That’s a valid decision for a coach to make (although I don’t personally agree with it), but it’s not true to say that Levitre won the job in some kind of open competition. If there were a real competition taking place Chambers’ stellar performance against the Bears last Saturday would have won him some rotations with the 1’s, but that of course did not happen.
Levitre and Chambers have been about the same to me going through this whole thing. Why wouldn’t you therefore start Levitre when Chambers can be a competent back up at other spots?
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 20, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought Chambers looked much better than Levitre in last Saturday’s game. Of course he should — he’s an experienced vet and Levitre is a rookie still learning the byways of the NFL. Chambers is also bigger and stronger than Levitre at this point. I understand why Kugler has annoited Levitre as his starter. I’m just saying that Levitre didn’t beat Chambers out in any kind of real competition.
OK. I wasn’t watching the OL all night but on the plays I was I don’t remember Levitre getting beat. I don’t remember Chambers getting beat either. I don’t care how they look I care about the result and I could be wrong.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 21, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Re: Maybin's Contract Delay
That’s a way out theory that the Bill’s aren’t signing Maybin to not put him on public display.
Here’s my way out theory—-Maybe his agent and Maybin are worried because: even though he had 12 sacks in the Big 10 (If he had gotten them in the SEC—I would be impressed) and didn’t start until game 4 for Penn St. last year, they know they need to squeeze every nickel and penny out of the Bills because he may be a 1 contract and out of the league player.
He is no Biscuit, who defensively dominated college football in “87” and was drafted No# 2 overall behind “Menga” Vinnie Vinny Testaverde.
Yep – that, too, is way out. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess the mind does tend to wander.
The bills have never stooped to less than professionalism in their history in the league. Where some teams are notorious for filming sideline coaches signals and picking up players from opponents rosters after they have been waived just to attempt to get an edge prior to game day. The element of surprise can be a valueable tool. I do concede that the theory is way out there. I am just trying to make sense from all the logic that isn’t going on.
why is it harder to get sacks in the SEC than the Big 10? Care to place a kindly wager on how many Big 10 o-linemen in the NFL as opposed to the SEC? :)
by LeClaireBill on Aug 19, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
probably true, from top to bottom
but, that should not discount or discredit maybin’s ability.
particularly, since a good deal of the SEC is passing 25% more of the time. more sack opportunities. the Big 10 is a foul weather, run the ball conference. must be nice to play games in sunshine and blue skies all the time.
and just to be a Hawkeye homer:
2004 Outback Bowl: Iowa: 37 Florida: 17
2005 Capital One Bowl: Iowa 30 LSU 25
2006 Outback Bowl: Iowa: 24 FLorida 31
Iowa vs. SEC – 2-1
All I need to know about UF was described to me by Robert Gallery. with Iowa leading 34-10 in the 4th qtr, according to Gallery, the UF d line was still talking smack about how bad Iowa sucked. huh? must not teach reading at UF. at least not scoreboard reading. :)
by LeClaireBill on Aug 20, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Goose,
Just went to RF365 to see what was up, and I see you have written a few articles. Why not post them here?
What can we do for you Mabin? You want us to say it with you… "Show me the money!!!!!!......WE LOVE THE BLACK MAN!!!!!......SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!" Now, will you please get a new agent and sign the contract!
Good recap of our rookies, who have – with the exception of Maybin (obviously as he has not been in camp at all, shame on him and his greedy nature) and Cary Harris – done a good job of getting accustomed to the pros and the added physicality. Wood has looked every bit as good as advertised and by the end of this season, we’ll all be referring to him as our best O-lineman; there’s no doubt in my otherwise mercurial mind about that. Byrd is going to be a very good safety in this league, I believe, and I simply base that upon his fantastic playmaking ability (that already now would be arguably the best on our entire defense) and incandescant instincts. Levitre will with time and patience from us, impatient Bills-fans become a solid starting guard if not more. He definitely has the intelligence, toughness, strength and necessary athleticism to be that.
Shawn Nelson is already our best and by enormous lengths most talented TE, although the coaches prefer gritty and well-blocking white boys (i.e. Schouman and Fine), so his role will likely be limited this year. That being said, hopefully our coaches do realize the obvious – that he has capabilities that Fine and Schouman only dream vividly of, such as fantastic hands and incredible athleticism. This could make him very useful in the red zone.
Nic Harris will sooner or later unseat Keith Ellison as our starting OLB, though OBD will probably go with experience (I don’t blame them for that). Harris has the size, speed, intelligence, toughness and athleticism to be a very good SAM-LB in the league.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Aug 19, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
Byrd is going to be a very good safety in this league, I believe, and I simply base that upon his fantastic playmaking ability (that already now would be arguably the best on our entire defense) and incandescant instincts.
Yeah but we really have no idea what he is going to do.
Shawn Nelson is already our best and by enormous lengths most talented TE, although the coaches prefer gritty and well-blocking white boys (i.e. Schouman and Fine), so his role will likely be limited this year.
Don’t count your chickens. Nelson has been brutal to watch in blocking drills. If he was a WR he would be fine but he is trying to be a TE. He needs those blocking reps.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 20, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Thanks Guys for such great coverages & breakdowns….. it is much appreciated! I believe I have my mantra for this season……. “Get Lankster on the field as much as possible! They Guy’s a playmaker”…… 7th round steal…… snicker snicker
Let’s see how he performs against starting WR’ and QB’s before annointing him the next great draft find!
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by Kurupt on Aug 19, 2009 4:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if you won $100 on nickel slots, would it be a good deal?
he won’t be playing against starting wr’s and qb’s anytime soon. but, i would argue that a cb 7th round pick from West Virginia, who by leaps and bounds out performs a cb 6th round pick from powerhouse program Sourthern Cal is indeed a great draft find. a 7th round pick that displays a knack for “big plays” that you bemoan with regularity – and rightly so – I would think you’d be tickled.
its kinda funny to read the jauron/db drafting angst that goes on, and then lankster makes a very positive impression, and everybody wets themselves.
annoint him all pro? no. a good draft find? sure appears to be. any 7th round pick that shows enough to make the team is a good find.
by LeClaireBill on Aug 19, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
a clarification
I’m not anointing him anything, however, this defense had ( I believe) 10 interceptions last year combined. It is that fact combined with, as Brian states in the write up a “playmaking knack that most of the other db’s don’t have”, that gives me a sense that as a 7th round pick he might turn out to be a steal. Remember the old adage, db’s are wr’s that can’t catch ……well this guy appears to be the exception to the rule at OBD and in my humble opinion turnovers are arguably the key to victories. As a rotating nickle or a dime back….. I like our chances with him over the rest of the reserves.
by Scott In Jax on Aug 19, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybin has to be greater than Smith and Talley combined to have fans wait this long
With this long a holdout I truly hope he is worth the wait. Sports reporters are talking about how Crabtree is being silly yet Maybin is acting just as bad. TO has a better attitude than this guy. Once he is signed I predict in less than 2 years if he is as good as people say he is – another holdout for more money. This is the worst Penn State selection ever made by the Bills
TO has a better attitude than this guy.
That, my friend, is a bold statement.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 19, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
but hard to argue with
T.O. is here making nice the his fans, teammates, and the coaching staff.
I would love the Bills to win games, but I will be happy if they are competitive without snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
I agree with you
I was never a TO fan because I find he is often too self centered and I never had a chance to get to know him. I must say that from what I’ve seen so far, I am extremely impressed by his professionalism at practice and his relentless work ethic. This is something you don’t see unless you really follow the team he plays for.
I am extremely glad that we have him because our young stud receivers (johnson & hardy) are learning from a real pro.
Now that all being said, I really really hope that he can contain his selfish, self absorbed, egotistical comments once the going gets a little harry but even with this risk I think he was a huge improvement for our team and could certainly be the missing piece
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How long did Buffalo wait for Kelly?
3 years?
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Yeah, but Kelly was actually playing during that time and there was not much thought he would ever come back.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 19, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the worst Penn State selection ever made by the Bills
Even I’m not sure I’d go there yet. Booker Moore turned out to be a bust, but only because he developed a serious medical condition that no one could have predicted.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 19, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not trying to be a pessimist, but a couple of obvious truths (at least to me):
The Bills do too much “system based” drafting, especially on the defensive side of the ball. They don’t draft the best players available, they draft the guys best suited to their system. If it was a proven, effective system, I wouldn’t care. But I think the reality is that in a couple of years Jauron won’t be the coach and his replacement will inherit an undersized, speedy defense with a few draftees (namely Harris and Maybin) that might not necessarily work in a new system. They’re going to groom Maybin as a 4-3 DE despite what anybody thinks, and Harris is another undersized OLB. They’re two guys that just might be ’tweeners in a couple years when they have a different staff on board. There are numerous examples of this front office/ coaching staff doing similar things in the last couple of years Ellis and Whitner are the first that come to mind. McCargo too.
-A draft class generally looks better and more appealing when the talent that was on board beforehand isn’t very good. Someone above referenced good drafts in ‘07 and ’08. Where are the results? People look at drafts and see that they got starters in X number of positions. Who cares? If those starters aren’t good enough to make you a playoff team it’s a perpetual cycle of mediocrity. If anything, those being starters is a poor reflection of who the team had in their spots to begin with.
Don’t get me wrong- a lot of the depth players look good. Wood seems to be a player….Maybin, Levitre, and Byrd have combined for about 1 quarter of good football in the 2 preseason games. Gotta temper expectations, I think.
by Make a play Whitner on Aug 20, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions
Very well said!
Where are the results? People look at drafts and see that they got starters in X number of positions. Who cares? If those starters aren’t good enough to make you a playoff team it’s a perpetual cycle of mediocrity.
Just looking at #1s since the past 5-6 years
2004
Lee Evans – OK but Tommy Harris was there and I’m not sure that he would not have been a better pick?
JP-Losman – Total blunder (Especially since we could have gotten Bob Sanders with our #2 spot)
2005
Had we not blundered the JP Losman trade, we could have gotten Aaron Rogers or Jason Cambell at #20
2006
Whitner over Ngata was a horrendous choice. But let’s keep in mind that Cutler & Cromartie were also on the board
Then we sell the farm to get back up for McCargo?? Mangold was still there as well as Kiwanuka But if we would have stayed put we could have gotten Marcus McNeil
2007
Marshawn – Excellent pick
2008
Leodis – Another excellent pick.
So if I look back and let myself dream a bit… Tommy harris, Aaron Rodgers, Ngata, McNeil, Lynch & McKelvin
I know you cannot second guess like this but still, just imagine…
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The drafting has been pretty mediocre especially since we haven’t gotten any superstar players. Opportunities were there. Trading away so many draft picks for Losman, McCargo and Poz really hurt us…
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Yeah, well hindsight is always 20/20. You can look back and the pick superstars then. But drafting is never 100%, you are always taking a chance…
Overall I have been relatively happy with the drafting the past couple years. NOW of course I had my own picks that I would’ve prefered, but then again, I’m not a coach…
Draft rule number 5 - Never reach for a player to fill a need.
Draft rule number 6 – Never trade picks to move up for a player that hasn’t fallen at least one round lower than you had them rated.
by the way, since I am just making this up, I don’t actually have numbers 1-5, yet :-)
Draft Rule #1: Never, ever watch the Draft in the residence of “sireric.” The awkward is palpable. You’re freaked by his not wearing pants. He’s offended you entered his residence with pants on. Just avoid this scenario altogether.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 20, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone: I’m hear for the Pants Party.
sireric: Sorry, this is a No-Pants Party. Please leave my property.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
No-Pants Dance*, you mean.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 20, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and really NSFW, but this is so Eric in that circumstance.
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"Our style is simple but not that easy. Roll up your sleeves and play good, solid football." -- Marv Levy
by Brian Galliford on Aug 20, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions

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