With Maybin on board, which Bills DE gets the axe?
by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 12:44 PM EDT
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PrintThe Buffalo Bills and rookie DE Aaron Maybin have agreed to terms on a five-year contract, with Maybin expected to matriculate to Orchard Park and sign the deal as early as Friday. The signing is not official as of publish time, but for now, it appears that Maybin's four-week holdout has come to an end. Maybin will not travel to Green Bay this weekend for the Bills' third pre-season game; instead, he'll take the weekend to get situated (and plan meal schedules and bag-carrying techniques for his new teammates), then begin practicing on Monday.
With Maybin finally on board, Buffalo's depth at defensive end is now quite crowded. The team has six players that can contribute, or have contributed to the team within the past couple of years. All are solid NFL talents. But it's incredibly unlikely (we'll stop short of saying "impossible") that all six will make the roster.
Veterans Aaron Schobel and Chris Kelsay are locks. Ryan Denney, who is in the final year of his current deal, also looks to have a stranglehold on a job, though we'd stop short of calling him a lock as well. Clearly, Maybin isn't going anywhere any time soon. If the Bills keep a fifth defensive end - and despite the strong pre-season play from ends Chris Ellis and Copeland Bryan, that is still not a certainty - Ellis and Bryan would duke it out for the final spot.
Our question to you is simple: which end gets cut? Which end would you cut? This isn't a poll, because the poll would be rather predictable. Kurupt, you can sit this one out, because we know how'd you answer. My (not earth-shattering in the least) thoughts on the subject are after the jump.
Denney is a lock, too
A semi-popular opinion making the rounds through the fan base right now is the idea that, if the Bills are keeping five ends, Denney should go. He's in the final year of his contract, his talents are redundant in the sense that he does many of the same things that Kelsay excels at (fingers away from the keyboard, K), and that cutting him loose would open a door for all three of the Bills' younger ends (Maybin, Ellis and Bryan).
This, in my estimation, is a terrible idea. Denney may not be the most exciting player on the roster, but he's dependable. We're also talking about the team's leader in sacks from a year ago. With the exception of 2007, when he dealt with a foot injury for a large portion of the season, Denney has consistently chipped in 3-5 sacks per season as a reserve role. That's not easy to come by, particularly in a package that includes above-average run defense. Denney isn't going anywhere, folks - and that's a good thing for this team.
Ellis vs. Bryan
The idea that Chris Ellis and Copeland Bryan are now in some epic struggle for the fifth DE slot, to me, is faulty. Keeping five defensive ends is not something the Bills would do lightly; they have numbers issues at several other positions, and would only consider keeping a fifth end if that player meets three criteria: he has performed in practices and pre-season games; he has youth, talent and potential; and the coaches believe he can help them on any given game day, including on special teams.
Let's put it this way: Copeland Bryan is a player that the Bills coaching staff loves, but he's not going to play himself onto a roster unless there are extenuating circumstances. That's exactly how he made the roster in 2008 - he had a strong pre-season, and Ellis was not anywhere near ready to contribute. Bryan made the team because, with Ellis a virtual nonentity, the team needed a fourth end. They've already got four ends, and Bryan has missed a significant chunk of practices with a hamstring injury.
Ellis, on the other hand, has two things going for him: he meets all three of the criteria outlined above, and he's out-played several other bubble players on the Bills' roster, including Bryan. Therefore, I believe it very likely that Ellis has earned a spot on the roster. He's not filling the "fifth DE" role, because that role does not exist. He's on the team because he deserves it. So, in perhaps the least climactic conclusion of my blogging lifetime, I'm calling Bryan the odd man out.
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Ellis made the team because, with Ellis a virtual nonentity, the team needed a fourth end.
huh?
i really hope that they keep ellis on the team for the year. i don’t know if he’s even ready to contribute this year, but he’s definitely come a long way.
Whoops – first Ellis should read Bryan. I fixed it.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I say they all make it.
Why not keep six. The elder three we now what we get, the two returning are hungry and playing like it, and Maybin needs to get his feet wet and arms around the QB.
Why not keep six.
Because 2 of them won’t be active on game days. We need to keep guys on the roster that have a shot at actually playing on game day.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 21, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
would you rather keep bryan or lankster? bryan or a fourth RB for the opening of the season? bryan or one of our favorite receivers?
i’d cut bryan in a heartbeat.
this was supposed to be a reply to vanscottm.
by the_prophet on Aug 21, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not a fourth RB for the opening of the season. It’s a third running back for the opening of the season, because Lynch won’t count against the active roster until his suspension is over.
If we’re talking about Bryan as the VERY LAST person to make the roster as a sixth end – I find that extraordinarily unlikely – he’d have to beat out guys like Corey McIntyre, Justin Jenkins, Jonathan Stupar, Jonathan Scott, Brandon Rodd, Jon Corto, Ashlee Palmer, Marcus Buggs, Ashton Youboty (who I believe is the sixth CB right now), and John Wendling.
There’s no way they keep 10 defensive linemen, IMO.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I am confused
You say
Keeping five defensive ends is not something the Bills would do lightly; they have numbers issues at several other positions, and would only consider keeping a fifth end if that player meets three criteria:
then
He’s not filling the “fifth DE” role, because that role does not exist.
Whatever role he is filling, I agree that Ellis will be the guy.
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
With the latter quote, I’m merely playing with the notion that if he makes the team, he’s not making it as the fifth end. He’s making is because he deserves it. It’s meant to imply that they won’t keep five ends just to reach that number.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He deserves it in what way?
Because he is as good as our #4 DE and/or because he contributes on STs, which is where I thought you were going with that train of thought.
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He deserves it because he’s picked up his work ethic and had a couple of strong pre-season games. If he keeps it up, there’s no way they can cut him, particularly considering his draft status. There’s no way he sees the field before an up-to-speed Maybin, though.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Would he be active on game day?
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
He’d have trouble getting active.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. That is why I was wondering about his role on STs.
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He has been in on special teams.
He’s just not an “every team” kinda guy like Corto or Wendling.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 21, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Matt....so his STs role will not be enough to have him active on game days.
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
I doubt it.
If I did a game day roster he wouldn’t be on it without an injury to a DE.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 21, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
What?!? You’ve been saying all along that his draft status means nothing!! What’s going on now?!?!
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I never said it “meant nothing.” I said his draft status didn’t make him a lock for the roster. It obviously gives him an advantage over other players at his position, Bryan specifically.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, but I`d still much rather see us keep all of our pass rushers (Maybin, Ellis and Bryan) and get rid of one of our slow vets (either Kelsey or Denney).
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 21, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So why would we keep numbers at another position, say 3rd) or 7th LB just to get to a certain number?
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because the Bills already have a desirable number at DE. A fifth DE is a luxury, no matter which way you shake it. They won’t keep a luxury player unless they have numbers they can get away with at other positions.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I would say that Ellis IS the 4th DE, in the sense that he can be a full-time player at the position. Maybin was never going to be more than half a DE this season, and with his holdout he could be even less than that, especially during the first half of the season. Given the very real possibilitiy of injuries, you need four basic DE’s. Otherwise you might have to throw Maybin in full-time if two other DE’s went down, at which point opposing teams would start running at him on every down.
In effect, I’m suggesting that Brian is right, but I’m supplying a different argument for reaching the same conclusion.
by Macktruck on Aug 21, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I guess if that’s the way you want to term it, that’s fine. But if the Bills are keeping four ends active on game days, Maybin gets the call before Ellis when both are healthy. Every time.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh very true Brian, but the moment Kelsay, Denney or Schobel has an issue injury wise
Ellis comes in the next week to fill that 4th spot, and honestly, with the ages of the guys ahead of Ellis and Maybin, we KNOW someone will be missing a chunk of the season.
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Again, a good reason to keep both Ellis and Bryan and to get rid of one of our old guys.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 21, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I don’t consider a 5th or 6th DE a luxury when the first three can’t rush the passer. Guys like Ellis and Bryan are needed because they can help in ways the others can’t.
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess I don’t consider a 5th or 6th DE a luxury when the first three can’t rush the passer.
And that, my good sir, is why the Bills won’t keep 6 ends. They don’t see it that way.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And its no wonder this team has had such a poor pass rush. The stats, lack of pressure and rsults speak for themselves. I cannot believe they think the pass rush is good enough unless they think Maybin is an All-Pro right away, which would be nutty…
~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why does Maybin need to be an All-Pro to have a competent pass rush?! Come on, K.
Maybin needs to be solid. Not spectacular, but solid and quick. He needs to play like a first-round pick.
Schobel needs to stay healthy.
The Bills, for the first time in a decade, need to play with a few freaking LEADS.
A sixth DE isn’t going to do boo for us even if all three of those things happen.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Maybin needs to be very, very good. Of course, he doesn’t need to be an All-Pro, I was just being hyperbolic! Either this staff thinks our vet DE’s are more than adequate rushers, which they aren’t at this point, or they feel Maybin will be an extreme difference maker right away. What exactly are they seeing in our pass rush?
I know a 6th DE won’t do anything and a 5th might not either, but that’s not really the point. I’d expect one or both to be weekly inactives. I think we should keep the depth because there are numerous question marks and issues about the top 4 DE’s and because I think Ellis/Bryan are better than other bubble players….
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it is kinda similar to keeping Bell on the roster last year. The coaching staff didn’t think he was ready to play, but didn’t want to risk losing him either.
Keeping both Bryan and Ellis this year doesn’t really help us out a lot this year, but it helps us next year.
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Yes exactly! Although I think both could definitely help, they just won’t get many opportunities. Bell wasn’t going to contribute last year at all. I don’t see why looking to the future a bit is all that bad. The staff can’t put everything into this year…
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 3:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They can if it is their last
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
My jury is still out.
I understand this problem. I also understand we have suffered to long in pass rush. I feel we should keep 10 DL and if 6 are DE’s then fine. We have 24 years of experience with the main three and four Bryan, Ellis and Mabin. Big drop off there. Age and injury are always concerns.
Exactly
~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have been flip flopping between Bryan and Ellis this entire preseason. But the more I have thought about things the more I am leaning towards Ellis, and that is only due to his upside and the fact that Maybin signed with a few weeks to get his feet wet.
I also don’t see anyway the Bills keep 6 DE. When you look at the active players on game days there is most likely only going to be 4 active DE. If you have 6, then you have 2 sitting out. While if you have five, there’s a good chance they can deactivate someone to make room.
On the Denny stay/goes argument, I think he stays this season, but is gone next – so long as Ellis plays well.
Denney only had one year on his contract.
So it’s a smart bet.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 21, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I see no reason to keep Denney this season to be totally honest.
Both Denney and Kelsey are mirror matches of each other`; they`re decent at stopping the run but they can`t pass ruh for sh!t. I`d much rather let Denney go and keep our young pass rushers.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 21, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Denney does many things well. He is dependable and is a solid backup as he proved last year. He is not prohibitively expensive nor is he a bad influence. Why would you cut him? You know he’s going to see playing time and be ready for it…
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
All of that is true
and don’t get me wrong, I like the guy and think that he is very usefull for our line. But I’d rather we look to the future, and I like what i’ve been seeing out of Ellis and Bryan latly. So unless we keep 6 DE’s and develop 1 or 2 of them like we did to Bell last year, then i"d let go of Denney.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 22, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What the heck makes Bryan so great?
He as barely good enough to be active last year over the rookie Ellis. Why are we “playing for the future” by keeping Bryan who would hopefully not make the team next year anyways?
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Touche
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 22, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Because we are desperate for anybody that even slightly resembles a pass rusher.
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I understand that. Bryan has looked good against the back ups.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I say give him first team reps next week. We know Kelsay and Denney and Schobel aren’t getting to the QB. Let’s at least see if Bryan, and Ellis, have any chance of helping!
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I would be on board with giving Bryan, Ellis, and Maybin looks with first team next week.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
5 DE's make the roster IMO
Maybin, Ellis and Denney all have the right size and athleticism to contribute to ST units.
Schobel and Kelsay start.
Denney makes the team because he is the only other proven end on the team. Read into this: proven does not equal good or great. Just that he’s proven that he can play at the NFL level.
Ellis contributes as the fourth end and on ST. He’s shown signs of life lately. I compare Ellis to Alex Brown- not a physical monster, but enough talent to be a solid contributor with some development.
Maybin is the 5th end and ST contributor. If he’s ready, he contributes on defense as a situational pass rusher. I think that’s not too much to ask, as he’ll focus on pass rushing his first year.
Bryan’s a feel-good story type of guy who tries hard but isn’t going to make it.
Do you really think the Bills will risk the #11 pick as a (non)wedge buster? I doubt Maybin sees a single down on special teams….unless April nabs him to rush the punter.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 21, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be amazing to see maybin coming off the edge on a punt…
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by NeverendingOptimism on Aug 21, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Many facets of special teams...
Maybin as a wedge buster is trying to prove your point by highlighting an extreme and foolish use.
But Maybin on the punt block, FG block, and XPT block teams is possible. Punt teams or FG teams are also possible, but much less likely.
unless April nabs him to rush the punter.
And thats EXACTLY what April should push for! Maybin has pretty good speed, why not use it to try and block a few punts?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 21, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not use someone faster? Say a DB?
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Haha, and you want to keep six D-ends?!
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 22, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, not to block punts!
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Keeping all six DE’s would be great.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 22, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Question:
We had heard about the possibility of Maybin playing a little LB in some 3-4 looks. Could the Bills keep 6 DES and one less LB?
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I was thinking of that too, but wonder if it would work since his holdout went so long
I assume Maybin will have his plate full learning his responsibilities at the DE position.
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He will be predominantly on the line. They’ll stand him up on occasion. If they wanted to cut a LB to keep six ends, I suppose it’s possible (and a good thought), but I think they’ll only have 6 LB on the final roster to begin with. If they chop that to five, they could really screw themselves over.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
and having to count on Maybin as a reliable DE and LB as a rookie who missed all of camp do not sound like a good idea.
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Cornelius Bennett came to the Bills in 1987 after not having been in anybodies camp until week 8. No practices, no training camp, no nothing, and he recorded 8.5 sacks in 8 games. He did have Bruce Smith on the other side of him, but It can be done.
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Was that on your new Bills DVDs :-)
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We traded for Bennett half-way through the season, right?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 21, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm… didn’t know that?
Who drafted him and why wouldn’t he play for them?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 21, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Colts.
He never agreed to a contract with them so they dealt him. They ended up with Eric Dickerson out of the whole deal with RB Greg Bell going to the Rams. Check it all out here.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
It just proves we both want the best for this site.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Just trying to get the final details. Why didn’t Bennett want to sign with the Colts? Did he pull a John Elway?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 22, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t know. I tried to look it up but couldn’t find it. I did find this though. Anybody who hates Notre Dame like I do will love it.
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In some of the newspapers it’s funny to hear Jim Irsay say “he’s playing here or entering the draft next year” in an attempt to force Bennett’s hand.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy cow, I didn’t realize that the Colts sent all their 1st and 2nd rounders also.
3 firsts and 3 seconds plus Bell and Gill. What a boon for the Rams.
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Yeah but did you see who they spent them on?
I’m pretty sure they blew each pick.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Beat me to that, MRW. The Rams could have become a juggernaut with all those high picks. Instead…nothing.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 22, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
The Colts. He was the #2 overall pick and they couldn’t come to an agreement on a contract, so the Colts traded him. It was a three way deal.
Bills get – Bennett
Colts get – Eric Dickerson
Rams get – Bills 2 1st rounders, 2nd rounder, and Greg Bell
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Seems to me like we ended up as the winners at the end of it all.
Alhough Dickerson was a hellova RB.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 22, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He had two excellent seasons for the Colts.
And another good one before he started to wear down.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He was also Cornelius Bennett, with a whole lot more proven success at his level than Maybin has yet.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 21, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You know they are going to keep at least one or two LBs on the practice squad. It wouldn’t be suicide to go with 5.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 21, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not even going to mention Him.
Why can’t we keep 6? For a position in such desperate need of pass rushers, both Ellis and Bryan seem capable enough of being situational rushers. I’d much rather keep them than Omon, Stupar, Simpson, Hamdan, a 9th OL, a 7th LB or McIntyre. The two DE’s can help us, I just don’t think the others can.
Plus, why dump youth and talent at a position that needs to be overhauled at the top soon? Denney and the other guy aren’t pass rushers in any way, and we’re simply hoping Schobel can return to 2006 form with Maybin contributing right away. And let’s not forget the injury issues with Schobel and Denney.
6 at DE is a lot, but so I’d rather do that than some of the other position numbers.
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 1:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
totally agree
if we are to have a solid rush, we need alot of rotation and I like Bryan and Ellis more than Denney and you know who…although I think they are all about the same currently besides the Vets experience
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How many situations do you foresee in which we’ll need three situational rushers?! Situation! SITUATION!
Your best argument is your third blurb, at least the first sentence of it. That’s what Bryan is pitching right about now, and it’s his only hope of making the roster.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Your best argument is your third blurb, at least the first sentence of it.
Plus, why dump youth and talent at a position that needs to be overhauled at the top soon?
Agree. If I’m Copeland Bryan every time I am in the same room as Jauron and Schobel, and or Kelsay I am cracking age jokes. I am also going to loudly ask Denney what he thinks about his impending free agency.
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Don’t age, injury and lack of production count for anything though? We can never have enough pass rushers especially when we don’t have any at the top of the depth chart. This is a move to help now, but mostly for the future…
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is a move to help now, but mostly for the future…
You said a TON there.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Always do on this subject…haha
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 3:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't you dare get rid of the Hamster, I don't trust Fitzpatrick at all
McIntyre is gone I believe if we keep Stupar so we have 4 TEs and that is a possibility if we will be running almost all no huddle all season long, you need bodies to spell each other at the skill positions. Omon could go and the team may, just may risk running only two RBs during the first three games.
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Since you will almost never have 5 DE’s active on gameday you probly can’t justify keeping 6. If bryant is #6 of the 6 then it would require 2 injuries for him to become actice.
Agreed. I think this one is that simple. Unless the coaches think Bryan and Ellis both have a ton of unrealized potential and are willing to stash one like they stashed Bell, then somebody has to get cut. I’d keep Ellis solely due to the fact that I think his upside as an every down player is much higher than Bryan’s.
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Wow, we are talking about COPELAND BRYAN! We are talking about Stupar, Bell, Jenkins and Lankster! I don’t recall the last time we had depth and youth at so many positions, making things so interesting. Depth is really key in the NFL. One worry, though, is depth at LB — that is a very big problem. By the way, is Copeland Bryan eligible for the practice squad?
is Copeland Bryan eligible for the practice squad?
No.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 21, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t Bryan pass through waivers a time or two last year? If so, I’d say the Bills have a much better chance of re-signing Bryan if a DE goes down than Ellis. I think Ellis is more likely to get picked up by another team—maybe not even making it through the waiver process.
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Good point.
I say the same thing about Hamdan. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 21, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t he make the opening day roster?
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He did indeed. The Bills picked him up either as a street free agent or off of Chicago’s practice squad in 2007.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Ellis will get picked up within a day if he is put on waivers just the fact that he was a no#3 pick a team will bring him in. He is starting to show why the Bills took him in the draft.
Bryan would be the one most likely to pass thru waivers that could make it to the practice squad.
I still think Denny’s days are numbered and the Bills will try and trade him before cutting him.
Not to compare but what would the Pats do? Keep the old vet that is dependable but on the downside or go with youth that has speed and an upside? We’ve seen what the Pats have done in the past, they are not afraid to let the older players go and go with youth. What team has been more successful….
Bryan is no longer eligible for PS, but he could probably be re-signed if a DE on the roster went down to injury.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 22, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Wat would the Pats do? The Pats would keep the best players which is Denney. When have the Pats cut a solid vet like Denney in favor of a situational guy who lacks upside like Bryan?
Hmmm
If there is a choice to be made between Bryan and Denny I would agree it would be Denny, Now if Ellis is thrown into the mix they would go with Ellis over Denny and Bryan.
I agree with that. Although I feel like I’m on a different page then everybody else on this article. Maybe I missed the thread where everybody decided that Copeland Bryan was any good. I’d keep Ellis at any cost if I were the Bills. Too much potential there.
There was no post!
He is adequate at best.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I said it somewhere in this thread. Keeping Bryan and Ellis is a move for the future. They both have more upside then any other DE on the Bills not named Maybin. Bryan isn’t a world beater, but he has more of a chance to help this team develop a pass rush next year and years after next year then Denney, Kelsay, and even Schobel.
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That is true.
It would be more of a move for the future than keeping Denney. That doesn’t mean it would be a good move. Bryan hasn’t done anything that leads me to believe he will be a great DE in the future or the present.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He seems to have better speed then the top three guys. I think that is his most redeeming quality.
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You are probably right...
but he won’t see the field ahead of Schobel/Maybin.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
This isn’t a poll, because the poll would be rather predictable.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Who to cut
Why give up on the young and upcoming defensive players. They should cut denny. If possible they should cut Denney and Kelsey
How would you define "if possible"?
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 21, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Denney’s contract expires at the end of the year and we’d most likely let him go anyways. Why not keep the young rushers and actually try to have the resemblance of a pass rush this year? I mean we don’t really need 3 run stoppers do we?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 21, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
When Schobel gets hurt, we do…
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So much pessimism…
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 22, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
maybin will be 7th LB we keep
and we keep 5 DE’s.
5 CB’s, 5S, 4 DT’s make 26 players on D.
On offense
3RBs
3QBs
8OL
4TE
6WR make 24 on O
LS, K, P make 53.
just to be clear
we keep them all (Denney, Kelsay, Schobel, Ellis, Bryan and Maybin) in above scenario.
We haven’t had the old trio on the field for a whole season since 2006 so the need for backups to be here and ready should be evident.
Have to ask who your 5 CB are…
McGee McKelvin
Florence comes back after injury
Corner is at nickel for now
Have to keep Youboty because of Florence’s injury
-Have to keep Lankster, though not for him to play because he is too raw, but because if you don’t someone else will-
That makes 6 and I can’t see the Bills cutting any of them (they keep Lankster for the same reason they kept Bell last year)
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Tough Call
glad I don’t have to make it.
That’s all I got. But it’d be between Bryan, Denney and Kelsay for me. Ellis/Maybin/Schobel all make it – that we can probably be assured of.
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Cut Kelsay and Save Some Money If Possible.
If cutting Kelsay will save us some money then I would do it. He is way overpaid and I think Denny is just as good. Its not like we would miss this guy if he left, and with Maybin in the picture and drafted to eventually start, I think its a smart move to save some cap room. The only thing Im not sure of is if we would save cap room. To my understanding we only saved like 500K from cutting Dockery who we signed for some huge contract (I think 60 million or so). I will never understand how the money situation works/cap room works in this league but I would cut Kelsay if we could save a buck, because our backups are just as good.
I would miss Him
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
- probably hahaha
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 5:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oops that was supposed to be # 20
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Denney. The man has two E’s in his last name.
Cutting Kelsay would save money but the coaching staff doesn’t care about the dollars. They care about the players and Kelsay is a guy they like, whether any of us like him or not. They are not cutting him.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 21, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Scott In Jax on Aug 21, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed… unfortunatly. Theres no chance of Kelsey being cut. Denney on the other hand…
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 21, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Ellis ought to make the roster in my opinion, as he has really showed the prosper that we all hoped he would after his, shall we say, highly invisible rookie campaign. Ellis is already a very good run-stopper with very adequate strength, what he, however, still lacks a bit of is that ‘killer-instinct’ as a pass-rusher. Hopefully, he’ll accomplish that with time, because that would only improve our pass-rush furthermore.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Aug 21, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
i dont get not keeping 6 DEs
If I had a say I would argue vehemently to keep Ellis, Bryan and Maybin together as they could have a bright future in a rotation together. Those guys could be the next generation of Schobel, Kelsay and Denney but hopefully better. Why is it so hard for Bryan to make this team? First, why keep Xavier Oman around? People like to say he looked good against the Titans but he has never looked good before and I don’t even think he averaged 3 yards a carry that HOF game anyway. Marshawn comes back in week 4 and if something happens to Jackson or Rhodes in the meantime then put Josh Reed in as a backup. Odds are Jackson and Rhodes more than adequately handle the load. If an emergency does happen to one of the two we can afford to work Rhodes or Jackson old school 28 carries a game because they aren’t the feature back when Marshawn returns. Also, I’m getting kind of tired of this Stupar jazz. Either hes a fourth stringer tight end so cut him already or the fact that hes got us so excited means that Schouman or Fine isn’t that good so cut one of them. We better not keep 4 friggin tight ends, especially when one of them is Schouman or this Stupar character that I’m not all that impressed by. Make up your mind, they are all pretty average in my eyes except the potential for Nelson so its kind of pointless to keep em around for the sake of hoping one emerges. The only two I would definitely keep are Fine and Nelson. Finally, I know people like what he does for April but I’d keep Bryan over Wendling. There is room on this roster for Bryan
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by poz on Aug 21, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
ha! yea yours is said a lot more calmly than mine.
I like it.
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I love this post!!! rec'd
You can’t play it safe and have depth at every position.
I like the idea of keeping a young core of DEs, but Jauron is going to do whatever he thinks will save his skin this year. Cut X-mon or Rhodes, personally I have not been that impressed with either and Rhodes is on his way down, so I give the nod to X-mon.
If Stupar is going to be kept, then I want to see him get some 1st team reps on Sat. That means Schouman should be gone, sorry Trent. Otherwise, put Stupar on the PS and hope for the best.
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
You can’t play it safe and have depth at every position.
right. and the incredible part is we only have to risk thin depth at RB for three games!
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Very well sad with a nice hint of anger! Me likey, poz!
I totally agree with your argument as its the basis for mine. Ellis and Bryan, young pass rushers who might develop into good pass rushers, an area of major need, should be so much more desirable than a 4th TE or a run of the mill 3rd string RB that isn’t even any good. I can’t believe some of the guys they might keep over potential impact pass rushers down the line…
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by Kurupt on Aug 21, 2009 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the anger
is just growing at the unbelievable notion that Stupar’s rather unimpressive rise or a three game Lynch suspension may keep young talent at a needy position off the roster. How much work will a 4th string tight end really get? With a three headed ground attack Omon should be a clear cut.
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3 QB + 3 RB + 4 TE + 6 WR + 8 OL = 24 offense
6 DE + 4 DT + 6 LB + 6 CB + 4 S = 26 defense
1K + 1 P + 1 LS = 3 special teams
I believe that’s 53. And 3 RB stays 3 RB even after Lynch returns, because we’d just cut Omon.
It’s actually not completely unbelievable. And we’d still be keeping Stupar! :P
The biggest names we’d be cutting? Corey McIntyre. Justin Jenkins (in the event Hardy’s active; if not, he’s WR6). Jonathan Scott. Four of (Ashlee Palmer, Pat Thomas, Jon Corto, Marcus Buggs, Alvin Bowen). Ko Simpson. John Wendling.
It actually makes a lot of sense, and honestly, it’s the way I’d do it. I hope y’all understand that. I just don’t know that the Bills will work it that way.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Edit: we’d actually be cutting three of that group of 5 LB, not four. My bad.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm, I think we would then cut Palmer along with Bowen and Buggs
Those three all have PS eligibility left in their time, and if we lose one of our big guys we can just bring one up. But three LBs might be a bit high for the PS, along with Cary Harris who I see getting dumped down due to Lanksters work so far earning him a spot.
If Hardy is PUP’ed into the year, then Jenkins is our 6th. It would be sad to see Wendling go, but we need DLine bodies more than a one trick safety.
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it’s the way I’d do it. I hope y’all understand that.
Thanks for clarifying, I thought you were pushing cutting one of them. Incredible, the way you put it its should be a non issue. Good bye Corey I liked Darian Barnes more than you and hes gone, time to go. Jon Scott, thanks for the memories. If I had to toss up between Simpson and Wendling I’d say bye to Wendling. I know hes better on special teams but Simpson has game and starting experience.
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No no – we’d be cutting both Simpson and Wendling, and keeping four safeties. Neither of those guys is making the team over Lankster and Youboty.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 21, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
4 S: Bryan Scott, Donte Whitner, George Wilson, Jarius Byrd
All of which should/would be active on game days
ah good
they shouldn’t anyway. I also think four safeties is plenty and I like that Byrd can play corner in a pinch in a real emergency.
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It would probably be Whitner. He has done it before.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't care who goes as long as we take more chances with the DEs
And after reading what you have to say, Brian, I think that would work.
Everybody is happy: We get 6 Ends that can be subbed in all the time(well at least the good ones), and we get Jonathan Stupar, who has shown more in two preseason games than Tony Gonzalez has in his career, in fact Stupar it turns out is immune to death
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/06/AR2005090601785.html
and because he almost died but came back epically, carrying him on our roster will finally give us the power we need to win over Tedy Bruschi. Bills beat the Patriots this year!!
good article you found
i think you’ve started something with Stupar here…
if you have five dollars and Jonathan Stupar has five dollars, Jonathan Stupar has more money than you.
Jonathan Stupar can kill two stones with one bird.
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I can just picture
Dick Jauron addressing the team before the NE game and all of a sudden Jonathan Stupar just busts through the door.
Jauron is like “Jonathan…What are you doing here? We as we stated before like your energy and we like your enthusiasm. We like what you bring to the team. Your a good ‘football player’ but we as a franchise are moving on, in fact we cut you last-”
“IT’S CLOBBERIN TIME!!!”
“oh jonathan…”
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HAHAHAHAHAH!
I think I’m making my sig “Jonathan Stupar played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won.” You’ve inspired a whole wave of jokes about peoples adoration for Stupar that will keep me personally entertained for weeks, maybe well into the season or multiple seasons if he makes the team. Who knows, maybe I’ll make Jonathan Stupar t-shirts….
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Today fans in Orchard Park and around the world are in mourning after it was announced today that Tight End Jonathan Stupar was signed to the practice squad. T.O. mourned in his own way by returning the key to the city of Buffalo to mayor Byron Brown. Aaron Maybin, a bills rookie was seen trying not to cry up at the news. Talented Bills Defensive end Chris Kelsay praised him on his effort and his “nonstop motor”
Some say breaking his foot and not dying made Stupar the force to be reckoned with he was on the Bills roster.
The height of his career came when Brian Galliford of Buffalo Rumblings wrote:
The unexpected rise of Stupar, who spent the vast majority of his rookie season on the Bills’ practice squad, has made a good situation even better for Buffalo.
Galliford also wrote that Stupar was “a little rough around the edges and not outstanding at any one thing.”
When we examine the life of Jonathan Stupar we find a man who there there was nothing spectacular about but who made a spectacular difference in our hearts.
"It says here you can't shoot skeet worth a damn." -Chris Brown to Aaron Schobel after he won Stampede Sunday for that week
by pasaluki on Aug 21, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
I’m stuck at the office late and this is making it so enjoyable rec’d! I personally like
Some say breaking his foot and not dying made Stupar the force to be reckoned with he was on the Bills roster.
HHAHAH priceless!!
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Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
ok last one
“Studly Stupar Scooped up; Sticks with Patriots”
Bills fans greatest fears came true when not 30 minutes after being signed to the practice squad Jonathan Stupar signed with the New England Patriots in an offer Stupar couldn’t refuse. “A ten year deal worth that much money, I didn’t even know there WERE deals that long!” Stupar said.
Stupar seems likely to compete for the Patriots starting T.E., with the latter team cutting Chris Baker, Alex Smith, and Benjamin Watson from their team as soon as Stupar was signed.
“With this young talent, we simply don’t need other Tight Ends” said an unnamed Patriots executive.
Stupar has fast made friends on the Patriots club, especially with veteran linebacker Tedy Bruschi.
“Bruschi and me each had traumatic things that happened in our lives, and he is such an inspiration to me, did you know he had a stroke?”
Bruschi in a strange soundbite described how he would transfer part of his power and immortality into Stupar and make him a centaur vessel of the Golden God’s will.
“My will and by default the Golden God’s will is to destroy the Buffalo Bills.”
Concerned Bills fans claim that by not keeping Stupar on the roster they invited this doom on themselves
One Bills fan who requested not to be named spoke about his fears
“Right after he [Stupar] left I had this dream. Bruschi and Stupar on the two horses of the apocalypse stomping all over Ralph Wilson Stadium. There was another man on a horse, I couldn’t tell who is was because it took a long time to get on the field but I think it was Drew Blesoe!”
"It says here you can't shoot skeet worth a damn." -Chris Brown to Aaron Schobel after he won Stampede Sunday for that week
by pasaluki on Aug 21, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
WOW. rec'd
You need to write satire. You’re pretty good.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Aug 21, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
good stuff, rec'd both
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just for the fun of it.
Amidst all the cheering against the boisterous celebrations of his Super Bowl winning teammates, Tight End Jonathan Stupar sat quietly and reflected on the 2009 season.
Jonathan “The Legend Killer” Stupar recieved the moniker after an amazing 3 catch 77 yard performance aganst Buffalo. The name more than stuck and Stupar lit up some of the most talented Linebackers and Defensive Backs to ever play in the NFL. But the real Stupar is a humble man who gives kind words to his rivals.
“I know this isn’t done usually, but I want to thank Dick Jauron and Buffalo for giving a kid like me a chance. I know I didn’t make their team but the fans and especially the bloggers were great to me. And I wish I could win Buffalo a Superbowl to thank them.”
He also was gracious to his Super Bowl opponent, phoning Vikings Quarterback Brett Favre, and after a very emotional conversation convincing him to come back and play football once again.
Stupar, who once broke his foot and almost died, finished with admittedly average stats, but his effort and energy were lauded across the league.
In fact the only game the Patriots didn’t win occurred in a regular season bout that Stupar didn’t play as he was suffering from a stubbed toe injury.
“Watching Jon made me realize why I love this game so much, just the fun he’s having out there, his high motor is making me feel like I have a little more to give to this game.” said future Hall-of-Fame Tight End Tony Gonzalez.
Cowboys tight end Jason Witten still finished with the most catches but says he feels like their is a big target on his back.
“Yeah I definitely feel that way, this guy is a competitor and whenever you have two Tight Ends like that fightin’ it brings the most out of both of ’em.”
Stupar laughs and humbly suggests that he has alot to learn but most of his teammates know better. One thing is for sure, next year The Legend Killer is coming back and the man with the broken foot is now hoping to break FOOTball records!
"It says here you can't shoot skeet worth a damn." -Chris Brown to Aaron Schobel after he won Stampede Sunday for that week
woah woah woah…. Stupar’s uncle is Hostetler? Let’s cut the SOB right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
From wikipedia:
Hostetler was drafted by the Giants in the third round of the 1984 NFL Draft, where he served as backup to Phil Simms. In his first five seasons, he played sparingly, rarely making an appearance.
However, on December 15, 1990, Simms broke his foot during a game against the Buffalo Bills. The following week, Hostetler, who had thrown only 109 passes in his career for the Giants, took over as the starting quarterback.
This is getting like LOST everything is all interconnected.
hhahahahah!!
And the legend of Stupar grows!
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
Just drop the CMFB and you have space for Stupar already, or Wendling if Stupar can't make up the STs need
(443): My mom came into my room and told me to flip off the tv. I gave it the middle finger. Note to self: STOP SMOKING THIS S#!T
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Ellis
Like I have said in previous posts when people were talking about him getting cut, he has so much talent that he cost be a very productive starter in this league. I watched a ton of games he played in, and at times he was dominate. The reason he lasted in to the third round is his body wasn’t ready for the NFL. His body still isn’t ready to be an every down player, but give him another year of NFL training and it will be. If (and we will) we stick with him he will be the starter on the other side of Schoebel next year. Do not sleeper on him this year though. I am not one to make gaurantees, but he will end up 3rd on the team with sacks this year with at least 5. I think the coaches are going to do more of a rotation this year to try to avoid injuries. I could actually see him overtake Kelsy half way though the year, but I won’t promise that. Eveything I am hearing is that the light is just starting to go on for him, he just isn’t quite strong enough yet to hold up against the run play in and play out. That is why I see him needing another offseason to really start to see his true potential. Think Robert Mathis!
I’d agree with you and Poz if Ellis is actually active most weeks. Buffalo only has space for four DEs on the active 45, so Ellis is wearing street clothes until somebody gets hurt. If that somebody goes down (especially if it’s Schobel), then Ellis could break out.
heres the thing
why not let him dress for an early season game in place of a backup linebacker and see what he can do. I bet he does enough to stay active the rest of the way.
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
Special teams and rotating 5 guys for 2 spots doesn’t make the group any better. How do you break up that playing time so that it’s more advantageous than the four guys?
no your right
but what about the advantage of getting the young guys some game time experience? I get the feeling Denney wouldnt take kindly to being deactivated but why not alternate activating Ellis and Maybin and if they come on strong just deactivating Denney since hes a free agent next year anyway?
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
Ellis third on the team in sacks???
How can he be when he won’t be active on most game days? He is behind Schobel, Kelsay, Denney, and Maybin on the depth chart and it would take an injury to one of those guys for him to even see the field on game day.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Denney may not be the most exciting player on the roster, but he’s dependable. We’re also talking about the team’s leader in sacks from a year ago.
We’re also talking about the leading scorer of all Bills’ Dlinemen from a year ago.
"Only on Rumblings can you see fans getting into arguments about the pros and cons of cutting a fourth string tight end!" - poz
I think my biggest disagreement with the keep all six crowd is how good Bryan is. I think he’ll never be any better than an undersized situational guy and I think those types are easy to find and Buffalo already has a pretty good one in Maybin. I also think we’re riding a little high on Bryan based off his preseason performance against the Bears, but he and Ellis did all their work against a pair of OTs who wouldn’t make our roster. Beating undrafted Cody Balogh from the University of Montana (the state, not the QB) or 7th round pick, should be guard, Lance Louis from San Diego St. isn’t something to get that excited about.
Beating undrafted Cody Balogh from the University of Montana (the state, not the QB) or 7th round pick, should be guard, Lance Louis from San Diego St. isn’t something to get that excited about.
Its always good to have a voice of reason to throw cold water in our faces every now and then. Its why I always value your opinion highly kaiser. I still like the 6 DEs on the roster idea but you raise a very sobering point.
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
I don’t think Bryan is that good either, but I do think he’s a better pass rusher than Denney and Kelsay. And he’s still young. That’s why I’d like to keep him around as the 6th DE. He can be a situational guy, ST player and youthful depth.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Sure he’s a better pass rusher, but what 240 pound DE isn’t? Under the assumption that Ellis would be active over Bryan, what is Bryan’s role on the team this year? So your keeping him for the future, but does he really have that kind of potential? He’ll be 27 next year, and still behind Schobel, Ellis and Maybin on the pecking order and won’t Buffalo be looking to add another DE next offseason? If Ellis is ahead of Bryan, I don’t see where he fits in this year, next year or ever unless he has a lot more potential then I think he does.
Hey Brian
Do you know if Chris Ellis is eligible for the practice squad? I am not sure if it has been mentioned yet or not as I didnt read all the posts.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
He was active for 7 games.
He has an accrued NFL season and can’t be on the PS.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Wikipedia says 6…
Seahawks Insider says 8…
SO the short answer is I don’t know.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That makes 2 of us
I just went on line under ehow.com and they state 9 games—-I wonder if the government is involved—ha ha!!!
Regardless, I don’t think Ellis would clear waivers and would be on an NFL roster somewhere.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
My vote goes to dropping Kelsey and keeping both Ellis and Bryan.
But because our coaching staff will never do that, then I’d drop Denney and keep both Ellis and Bryan. Both of them have shown a much greater ability to pass rush then our 3 vets on the roster.
Schobel is good versus both the pass and the run. Kelsey and Denney are interchangeable, meaning that they are both good against the run but pretty useless against the pass. Ellis and Bryan are all showing to be quite good agaisnt the pass but are weak against the run. And Maybin is presumed to be excellent against the pass.
To me I’d like to keep 5 DE’s, 2 run stoppers and 3 pass rushers. Meaning that I’d either drop Kelsey or Denney. Personally I’d rather see Kelsey go, but since the coaching staff loves him so much, thats no gonna happen. So I’ll settle for releasing Denney and letting the youth movement take over.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 21, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions
packers-bills on nyc tv?
anyone know if the bills game will be shown in nyc? the giants are playing at 8pm, so that’s the network game … thanks
Let me say this about Copeland Bryan...
Does anyone own his jersey? Probably not. He’s probably a nice guy with a high motor who coaches love. I just think he may have topped out already. If they really liked him, they would let him go soon, so he can catch on with another team, or even the UFL. The only reason to keep him around is to guard against injury to the old timers, watch Maybin develop, and see if Ellis continues to improve. I think it’s safe to guess he’ll be in the second round of cuts…
Call me crazy, but…didn’t I see somewhere that the Bills were planning to use Maybin as a rush linebacker this year? Maybe we can have 5 DE’s, and 7 LB’s if we count it that way. Just a thought.
Anyway, nice to finally get that deal done. Thank you Terry Tate for making it happen! :P
Get the Bills back to the big game!
It will be situationally...
and in a 3-4 look. He will only be rushing the passer out of it as is my understanding. It’s just to get him a clean look at the QB and utilize his speed.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 22, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Lets watch the games before being so sure about our Defensive ends...
We have only played 2 of the 5 preseason games. In my opinion, Denney has done an average job ever since he was drafted. If Ellis and Bryan can at least be average they should beat him out. Let’s watch the next 3 preseason games closely. I believe Denney must bring something to the table soon although we have seen his resume for the last several years. There is no doubt thus far that Ellis and Bryan can get after the QB better than Kelsey and Denney. The way we have been pressuring the QB the last 3 years; thier (Ellis/Bryan) pass rush has to count for something. I’m hoping that these young guys continue to impress the coaches because I am so ready for a change.
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