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Bills put up lackluster performance at Lambeau

In their worst of three pre-season games to date by light years, the Buffalo Bills dropped a 31-21 road game to the Green Bay Packers in a mistake-filled snooze fest.  For all of the good signs the team displayed in the two games prior, the team regressed in every way tonight, trailing 24-0 at the half.  Let's hope it's out of their system.

Clearly, a stinker of a pre-season performance is nothing to freak out about, but a little concern is warranted.  The play was that bad all around.  Initial reactions are after the jump.

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To say the offense struggled is putting it mildly
Here's a stat line for you from Buffalo's offense in first-half action (which consisted mostly of the starting lineup, who played about halfway through the second quarter): 4 turnovers (1 INT, 3 lost fumbles), multiple penalties, 3 sacks allowed, 5 plays for negative yardage, a mere 6 first downs.

It was bad all around, but in particular for QB Trent Edwards.  His interception, on a deep in to Lee Evans, was a slightly late throw that was simply a good play by the Packers cornerback.  His lost fumble, however, was bad - he hung onto the ball far too long in a pristine pocket, took a blind-side sack and lost the ball.

Edwards had easily his worst night of the pre-season thus far, finishing 7 of 11 passing for a mere 45 yards.  The no-huddle under his command (and for the most part when he wasn't in, too) was lackluster and barely worth the effort involved, as there wasn't any urgency to the attack.  I couldn't begin to tell you why the offense was so uninspired in the first half, but there didn't seem to be any fire.  Where's Terrell Owens when you need him?

Mistakes on defense, too
Buffalo had 7 penalties for 73 yards at the half, and some of the biggest of those came on defense (an Ellis Lankster pass interference comes to mind).  Though they were helped out by the Bills' aforementioned turnover issues, Green Bay's stellar offense generally had its way with the Bills' defense.  QB Aaron Rodgers completed 8 of 9 passes for 98 yards and 2 scores (Greg Jennings, Donald Driver).  Ryan Grant piled up 43 yards on 10 carries with another score against a Bills run defense that had been dominant through two games.

The one bright moment for the defense as a whole tonight came on their first possession of the game; Green Bay was handed the ball on Buffalo's 37-yard line after Edwards' interception, but the drive resulted in no points after the Packers turned the ball over on downs.  LB Keith Ellison made a tackle for loss on Grant on 4th-and-1 to end the drive; from there, however, it was all downhill as the offense continued to set the defense up to fail.

A few players actually impress
I'm sure most of you will focus on the gloom and doom of one sloppy pre-season game, but it's worth mentioning that a few players had strong performances for the Bills:

- QB Ryan Fitzpatrick made some nice throws, completing 12 of 16 passes for 116 yards and a TD (though he did have a terrible INT as well).

- RB Dominic Rhodes looked quick and agile running into the third quarter, finishing with 39 yards on 6 carries.

- WR Steve Johnson caught 3 passes for 52 yards, including a couple of really nice catches down the seam.  The kid is a player.

- TE Jonathan Stupar continued his strong pre-season with 5 catches, 63 yards and a touchdown from Fitzpatrick.  That bumps him up to 15 catches in basically a game and a half of football; he is the clear go-to guy for Fitzpatrick and Gibran Hamdan.  It's gonna be hard to cut this guy.

- I've got nothing for you on the offensive line - I'm guessing Ron will have something to say in the near future, but I plan on taking a closer look tomorrow.

- Defensive ends Chris Ellis and Copeland Bryan continue to impress, albeit against second- and third-string linemen.  Ellis took a bad penalty on special teams (late hit out of bounds/horse collar), but he also applied nice pressure on a few occasions.  Bryan registered a sack and a forced fumble for the second consecutive game.  That argument for keeping six defensive ends makes more sense every day.

- Rookie LB Nic Harris was all over the field, finishing with a game-high 9 tackles.  He's got great instincts.

- CB Reggie Corner registered his second interception of the pre-season.

All in all, things probably could not have gone much worse for the top units on both sides of the ball.  It's probably good for the team to have this type of performance, as it keeps them from getting complacent after a couple of nice pre-season outings.  Something has to change to keep these guys on their toes and playing full-out on the football field; hopefully, this will be a nice wake-up call.  (It helps that it's the pre-season from an effort standpoint.)  Buffalo will be back on the practice field Monday - hopefully with a few extra wind sprints tossed in - and take the field in Pittsburgh a week from today for their fourth pre-season game of the season.

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no hamdan on the positive list?

i think he looked good tonight. has more yards than fitz and if omon had speed would have had a TD too….

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 22, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hamden looked good with out a doubt

We could leave it at that but there were a couple passes poorly thrown, 50 yards of his passing total was all Omon, and he has Jenkins, Johnson and Stupar to throw to against Green Bays bottom portion of the roster. Yes he did look good.

by VanScottM on Aug 22, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

each qb had poorly thrown balls

i think they should test out if hamdan can do better against the 2nd and 3rd strings…..and saying 50 yds was due to omon is like saying without stupar fitz wouldnt have any numbers. i mean stats speak for themselves, and each qb deserves their numbers

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 22, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You got to give Omon some Credit

He got hit like three times pretty good but stayed up and took it as far as he could. Baker could of made the throw, that was all omon

by VanScottM on Aug 22, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont you see

that you can explain away almost every stat if you look at it that way?

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 22, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hamden did look good

BG could of very easily included him in the positives portion. I was just trying to identify with why he wasn’t included. I could of also added the level of pressure on Trent and Ryan slowly started to dissipitate entering the second half. I could mention that YAC is a stat also but it doesn’t distinguish the punishment the receiver went through to get those YAC stats. Hamden looked good and Omon made an awesome effort on that play.

by VanScottM on Aug 23, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 23, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm curious how Hamdan would fare versus 2nd or 1st units

Some of his passes did look ugly but what he clearly was doing, was protecting the ball by throwing his passes a bit short and away from the defenders. It wasn’t the most pretty to look at but it certainly worked as he was the only Qb not to turn the ball over and did drive for 2 TDs out of 3 drives. He also had that very nice 3rd and 20 conversion with a 22 yard throw to Johnson.

Another thing is that a surprsing lot of growth from our 3rd string receivers, te’s and rb’s in the receiving game has been seen the last two years. All in all I think Hamdan is doing a very good job behind the doors.

by DrAtomic on Aug 23, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Second!

For you Kry. :)

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by jj24 on Aug 22, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

being here in Jacksonville

I was not able to see the game but I did listen to the internet 97 Rock broadcast…….. two things stuck out to me (particularly in the first half)…… one….. Murph saying “Rogers…. with time”… ie.. no pass rush and Murph saying “Edwards drops back……pressure is on”….. was the OL & DL that bad when the first unit was in??……. I mentioned to my wife, who was listening with me, that this Maybin kid better be all that and a bag of chips or we may never get a sniff of a QB this year.

by Scott In Jax on Aug 22, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought Trent had enough time to get off throws. As Brian said the time he fumbled was because he held on way too long. Rodgers’ pocket was set up well the whole night but there was a lot of time the defenders were collapsing the pocket around him and he made a good throw. Rodgers gets the ball out of his hand fast but the pass rush was nothing to write home about.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We always play bad in GB. I blame it on that. I didn’t get to watch or listen to the game because my wife and i took my parents out to eat at Mellow Mushroom where I was kickin’ back and drinking Chimay…..lucky me. :)

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by jj24 on Aug 22, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lackluster performance is being kind to the first team O

The rest of the group can be credited for the title. Could of very well been night mare in Green Bay. What Green Bays 1st team did to us is what we expect our Offense to do to opponents with T.O. Still The turnovers and penalties, didn’t allow them to respond in any positive way at all. They very well could of needed this. Teams like the steelers defense should be even more deciplined. So we can find out what a week of preperation will do heading into Pittsburgh.

by VanScottM on Aug 23, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I missed the game due to living in Seattle, and was stuck with the Steelers vs. Redskins

I will watch the game anyhow, because I will want to see what we did wrong with my own eyes, I think the replay will be during one of my sessions at the gym, so at least I can use the treadmill and see this debacle. One thing I have to say though is this, how in the world did we get within 10 points when we played this badly. I am happy to see it since it does mean we are keeping things close, considering some of the blowouts in recent years against first rate O’s like GB, this is a good sign.

Also, glad the here Hamdan had a good game, I like the dude….

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by WABillsfan on Aug 22, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ALL of the Bills points were scored by the 2nd and 3rd teams. If the first teams stayed in, it may well have been a 50-0 score.

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by dzil on Aug 23, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or a 24-28 score – since that kind of prediction is impossible to make

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by TEMSON on Aug 23, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fitz's interception

This pick came on a 4th and 1 or 2 in field goal range with the score 21 to 0. The net gain was further from goal than the line of scrimmage. He tried to make a play, fortunately it wasn’t returned for a touchdown.

by VanScottM on Aug 22, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We forced some fumbles

But couldn’t recover any of them.

by VanScottM on Aug 22, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nic Harris

just keeps getting better. The kid really wants to play and I think he will get his chance. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him as a starter before the season is over.

by Blaise42 on Aug 23, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

From what I saw

(and yes, I fell asleep early into the 2nd quarter) the team looked slow and uninspired. Edwards was very hesitant.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 23, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m not really looking forward to catching the replay tomorrow. After pouring over the game recap and boxscore and reading through comments, I expect the game to look exactly like the Bills we’ve grown to love. I see that the first team D couldn’t get to Rodgers or stop the run/pass, Trent couldn’t lead the team into the endzone and there were mistakes galore. It seems that the team was totally uninspired and played simply weak football, the Dick Jauron staple. Is that correct? I really, really want to be optimistic (snicker if you must), but a third straight mediocre (in this case horrible) performance leaves me expecting the same as last year. Why are we constantly subjected to such similar teams every year????

Now they get to play Pittsburgh next week, hooray! Amazingly, I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually play well.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 12:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

From what I saw, Schobel and Kelsay actually generated a good push on both GB tackles. However, they weren’t able to get by, and any time they got close to driving the tackles into Rodgers, he was able to step up into open space.

Trent did not have the same luxury. Hang and the rooks didn’t give him a lot of room to step up and avoid the rush tonight, and he didn’t do himself any favors with his decisions. There’s gonna be a lot of three-step-drops this year. A lot.

by Mark Parisi on Aug 23, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thing is, you can get all the “good push” you want, but if you can’t get to the QB or even harass him, it doesn’t mean a thing. You mentioned Rodgers was able to move up in the pocket, which is another problem our pass rush has had. Our DT’s NEVER get any push to collapse the pocket, but that’s rarely mentioned. It’d be nice if they were able to do a bit more for our pass rush….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that’s a very big part of the problem. Kyle Williams has a lot of grit and hustle, but he doesn’t do much when it comes to pushing the pocket. We need a big, wide-bodied DT to go alongside Stroud.

by Macktruck on Aug 23, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d love to have added a guy like Rod Coleman when he was available. He’s one of the better pass rushing DT’s in the league. We need someone along those lines….

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our best chance to add a DT is next year, unfortunately.

My top rated draft prospects (no order): McCoy, Suh, Odrick, Jones, Cody, Austin. With the exception of Cody, all are fits in our 40 front. Unless we tank, we won’t get a shot at McCoy, Suh, or Austin. Odrick and Jones are good fits, and would be available.

UFA’s: Pickett, Robbins, Hampton, Wilfork, Seymour, and Jolly. Seymour’s probably not interested in playing in a 40 front. Hampton will probably get re-signed since he’s Pittsburgh defensive lynchpin. Wilfork would be the perfect fit, but I doubt he gets out of NE. Pickett, Robbins, and Jolly will probably be available.

by Der Jaeger on Aug 23, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it’s a good draft class for DT’s, that’s for sure. The UFA market is solid too, but I’m not sure how many will be available to the Bills.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see NE letting Wilfork get to UFA. NE signs Wilfork during the season, and franchises Seymour, IMO. The upside is that Burgess will end up a UFA, along with OL Neal, Kaczur, and Mankins.

I think the Steelers will re-up Roethlisberger during the season, and franchise Hampton. The Packers have Kampman, Jolly, and Pickett all up for UFA, and I see them retaining Jolly.

So I think we may be able to add Pickett or Robbins, at best. Barry Cofield, Dusty Dvoracek, and Domata Peko are up for UFA. Luis Castillo is also available, but I don’t see him fitting our system (he’s a 5 technique end).

The DE class is pretty good as well. Peppers will be available, but I see Carolina putting the tag on him again. Four Bear ends are available (Mark Anderson, Alex Brown, Israel Idonije, and Adewale Ogunleye). As mentioned before, Burgess and Kampman are available. Dumervil, Jason Hatcher, Little, and Tapp are available. With that group, I’d go with Tapp.

OLB’s that could transition to end: Matt Roth (a little too like our current ends), Gocong (same), and Haralson. Ware will never see UFA, but Shawne Merriman might. Rivers is a UFA, along with Sproles, McNeill, and Castillo. If Rivers isn’t done during the season, he gets the tag and Merriman hits the market. The selection of Larry English leads me to believe this is more than just a possibility. Not saying that we should bank on it, just something to monitor.

by Der Jaeger on Aug 23, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Big Ben got a big deal last year.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the first team, both sides of the ball, looked incredibly familiar last night. they did not provide much too be optimistic about.

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by dzil on Aug 23, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but the first two games did. Can’t exactly just toss those out the window, now, can we?

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my reference is to last night, not anything else.

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by dzil on Aug 23, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Dick Jauron coached teams very very rarely commit that many penalties in a game and rarely turn it over 5 times if JP Losman isn’t the QB.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m still trying to understand what the offense has done at all this preseason to be optimistic about. 3 points from the starting O is 3 points. They looked ok against Chicago, but it was dink and dunk and settle for FG. That’s nothing new and nothing that’s going to help us win. Points are the name of the game, and they aren’t generating any.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll say it again: NO TERRELL OWENS. I don’t think y’all are quite grasping just how ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL it is for this offensive scheme to have two outside threats. We’ve been watching last year’s offense for the last two weeks because IT’S THE SAME OFFENSE. I’m quite certain that will change when T.O. returns.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope that you’re right.

by NolaBillsFan on Aug 23, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally understand

and that’s why I still have some hope.

BUT, what happens if TO misses some time this year? What happens in 2010, although that doesn’t really matter at this point? Without TO we should just expect no touchdowns and terrible performances from the O? Does TO help the OL and run game? Sure he will help us with a few more bigger plays, but there are deeper issues than just missing TO right now….

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Last time I checked, this is still a team game. TO or no TO.

by billskk69 on Aug 23, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, yes, that’s basically what I’m saying. We need BOTH Lee and T.O. And if one of those two guys go down, we need Steve Johnson to step up in a big way. If that doesn’t happen, we’re screwed. That’s what I’m saying.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot to mention we may be screwed if Edwards doesn’t make some progress with TO & Evans or without them. Team can’t be this bad without 1 player. I mean if that is the case then Josh Reed/Parish can be cut. The talent is there even without Owens.

Its Coaching and Edwards. I still reserve hope for Edwards. But Jauron’s comments after the game were infuriating as well.

by Berg79 on Aug 23, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right!

But I’m also saying that there is a lot more wrong than just missing TO!

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are saying the same thing. Replace Jauron with a credible coach and replace Edwards with a QB even along the lines of Garrard, Eli, Pennington, and I think the team would be great and the WRs would be fine even without TO.

Look I’m not going to knock Edwards too much as I am giving him patience until at least week 5 but Jauron deserves what he gets.

by Berg79 on Aug 23, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish we had Garrard. Big strong QB, mobile, strong arm and willing to go downfield. I love that guy. He doesn’t get the credit he deserves.

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree he is my sleeper fantasy QB!!!

by Berg79 on Aug 23, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

T.O. has said that there will be no T.O. (i.e., he won’t be able to be effective) unless the o-line does its part.

by Macktruck on Aug 23, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I expect the game to look exactly like the Bills we’ve grown to love.

Uh, no, K. They were far, far worse than the Bills we’ve grown to love. The Bills we’ve grown to love still don’t make anywhere near that many mistakes.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a generalization, I’m expecting that. I’m not even including the mistakes. It’s more about a dink and dunk offense, an OL that can’t open holes, an uninspired effort and a D that easily bends. Would that be fair?

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

These Bills were undisciplined, making mental mistakes. That is not a hallmark of Jauron-led teams.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That game has the stench of alcohol induced vomit all over it........

time to hit the showers and regroup for the next bender.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 23, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That game has the stench of alcohol induced vomit all over it……..

and chocolate cake.

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by jj24 on Aug 23, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

well played.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 23, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What nice preseason outings?

The cold hard fact is that the first-string offense has stunk up the field for three games in a row. Granted they didn’t play much in the HOF game, but they were in for a third of the game last week and this week and their total scoring production is three points. As Chris Brown was noting on the Bills website, tonight they didn’t manage to
get past midfield. A pathetic inability to score (aside from an occasional FG) against any team with at least a decent defense has been our main problem the last several years. At this point it looks like it may well continue another year.

I don’t care what anyone says — pass protection while the first-string was on the field was not good. At times it was ok, but at other times it was poor. Never good. What’s my definition of good? The protection that Green Bay provided Aaron Rodgers, who, as Steve Tasker remarked, “seemed to have all the time in the world.” The run-blocking was of course even worse until the 2’s and 3’s came on in the second half. Only then could the Bills run the ball consistently and effectively.

In short this o-line is screwed up. Someone will surely reply that they just need to “gel.” Ok, but the second-string o-line consists of guys who were thrown together just this year and they were looking downright cohesive by comparison to the 1’s. The problem runs deeper than that.

Last year we had a very good right side on the line with Butler and Walker working well with each other, especially on running plays. Why in the world would anyone want to break that up when the team is entering such a crucial year? To put them back together on the right would mean having Bell start at LT. He may not be perfectly ready (though he looks close to it to me), but I doubt he would make more mistakes than Walker seems to be making. Walker is an excellent RT but, as we all know, does not have the quickness to excel on the other side. Whatever else one can say about Bell, he is incredibly quick. And having Butler as an OG again would be much better than starting two rookies.

I vent my opinion for what it is worth. I’m sure the coaching staff is going to continue with its experiment well into the season, at which time all hopes for the playoffs will be lost. I look forward to Bobby April taking over as HC after the bye week.

by Macktruck on Aug 23, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was never on the Bell should play bandwagon, but after watching Walker the first few games and hearing that he was poor again tonight, I’m starting to think it should be a consideration. And maybe more than that. I don’t think Walker can succeed at LT, and have felt that way since he was moved there.

Maybe the OL does need to gel, but it sure seems they have a LONG ways to go before week 1. Unfortunately, week 1 is right around the corner.

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I was the only one...

but when I was watching I didn’t think Walker was the biggest problem. Wood got beat clean on one sack. It’s time to gel and learn for these rookies. Call it an excuse all you want but that’s exactly what it is. They need time to figure it out.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When they showed some highlights on Sportscenter, Raji absolutely DESTROYED Hangartner. It was a pitiful display. Maybe Walker and Butler aren’t the biggest problems, with the interior taking the cake, but they aren’t exactly a pair to be comfortable with yet.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After the playoffs are realistically, but not mathmatically, out of reach, expect Juaron to reshuffle the line. Not before.

"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.

by Joe P. on Aug 23, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s done it before…. with the playoffs still in reach.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

Butler/Walker was a great combination. And I agree that Bell looks pretty good and at the rate he is learning, we could expect a rapid maturation during the season.

Our line should be:

Bell / Wood / Hangman / Butler / Walker

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by keysh67 on Aug 23, 2009 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SO now you've moved five guys to new positions in offseason.

and you’re going to do it again in the preseason? That would be friggin suicide.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, your right. It would be much better to stick with your mistake to the bitter end.

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by Joe P. on Aug 23, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where did Matt say the bitter end?

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it might be too late when a change would actually get made. I’m not saying one should be made, but if they ever do make one, it’ll likely be early to mid season and too late….I kind of agree with Joe on that…..

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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.

by Joe P. on Aug 23, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should that be the motto for the Dicky J era?

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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does fit.

We must stay calm and be sure not to overreact…..better to wait and be sure you are making the right decision even if it is too late to make a difference in your season.

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by Joe P. on Aug 23, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a sec… You’re essentially saying that Bell would do better than Levitre when Levitre hasn’t been the one problem. If there was one guy on the line that was sabotaging it, by all means change him out for Bell. But that’s not the case. Different players are breaking down on different plays. It’s a unit thing, not an individual thing. Let them keep playing together.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I’m saying is that the whole configuration is wrong — not just one guy. I’m saying that we can restore the right side to a configuration we know will work with Butler and Walker. Then at least that part of the line will be solid. I suspect Bell will actually be an upgrade over Walker at LT by week four or five of the season (and until then we can line up a TE right next to him to give him extra help) and I figure Wood will be as good at LG as he is at RG.

A big question is Hangartner. He is looking more and more like another in that long line of bargain-basement Centers that the Bills have been bringing in since Kent Hull. What happened to him last night wasn’t pretty. So I wonder if Joe may be right — if the best bet would be to put Wood at Center and Levitre at LG. That sounds a bit crazy to me at first glance, but if Hangartner continues having as much trouble as we saw last night it might make sense. All through the offseason I have been assuming that Hang would be one of the few dependable elements of the line since he is a vet playing his familiar position, but now I’m not so sure. Another option — perhaps the best one — would be to move Wood to Center if it becomes clear that Hang is not going to get the job done and put Kirk Chambers at LG. Yes, you dont want a rookie making line calls if possible, but you also don’t want a Center who is easily bullrushed by every NT that comes along.

by Macktruck on Aug 23, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good thoughts. Rec’d.

The point about Butler/Walker on the right side is a good one. At least we know what we’d get out of them there, and it’s pretty decent. I don’t think it’d be a problem for them switching over there either. It might take a few practices or a game or two, but they’d transition much quicker there they than did to their current roles.

The question is whether getting Bell in there is an improvement all across the line. Levitre has improved since Tenn. hasn’t he?

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t notice Levitre much last night, which may be a good thing. He did have one very nice pulling play in the second quarter. But I am sure that Butler with his experience and talent is a significantly better OG than Levitre for 2009. The bigger question to me is whether it would be better to have Levitre out there than Hang, who has really disappointed me so far. Of course that would mean putting a rookie at Center (Wood), but he is very powerful and very smart. It’s not something you want to do, but then again you don’t want a Center who gets pushed back badly (we have had too many of them). So what I’m basically saying is that the Bills need to go with the least bad combination. Save the ideal line for next year (at least we can dream of it).

by Macktruck on Aug 23, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suspect Bell will actually be an upgrade over Walker at LT by week four or five of the seasonI suspect Bell will actually be an upgrade over Walker at LT by week four or five of the season

Based on what? training camp? He has never played in a meaningful NFL game and you want him protecting Trent’s blindside? He was a seventh round pick a year ago. He has low experience. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. There is no way Bell is better than Walker at this point.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It might be, but it also might be a change that needs to be made if this keeps up. I agree that all the offseason work might go out the window, but there hasn’t exactly been any signs of dominance yet.

We need better play out of the OL, and if a move can accomplish that, we might have to do it before its too late. Thing is, I just don’t know if putting Bell at LT and sending Levitre to the bench is going to be enough….

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the line doesn't get it together by next game,

I would go for broke. Bell – Levitre – Wood – Butler – Walker. I was never sold on Hang. Better than Preston is not saying much.

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by Joe P. on Aug 23, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would like the same but it wont happen this year

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by billsoferie on Aug 23, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bell doesn’t even look like a tackle on the field. His lower body seems long, making his center of gravity high. I think he could be effective against speedy edge rushers, but bulls may just mow him down. I hope I’m wrong, but I think he needs a bunch more meat on the bottom before he’ll be ready.

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by dzil on Aug 23, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that’s completely wrong. Look at him again. He is very big around his hips and thighs. A number of people have commented that he has the absolutely perfect build for an NFL OT. There are valid questions people can raise about his technique and experience, but not about his physical equipment.

by Macktruck on Aug 23, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point it looks like it may well continue another year.

Well, that’s probably true – IF you honestly believe you’ve seen every wrinkle, every nuance, every tempo change that the no-huddle has to offer in three pre-season games. Oh, and NO T.O.

Come on.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean they're not trying to win the preseason game?

Why wouldn’t they throw every wrinkle and every piece of the no huddle and their coaching knowledge at the Packers in the preseason??? /sarcasm

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, and I bet they told Edwards to play like crap to lul Bellicheat into a false sense of security

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by Joe P. on Aug 23, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The truth finally comes out, and who says we have creativity??

by NolaBillsFan on Aug 23, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It just makes one wonder

that if they are playing this badly (last night) in a “vanilla” version of the no huddle in a preseason game, can they handle adding wrinkles, nuances tempo changes, etc.? I personally still find it very hard to believe the Bills will use a no huddle all game long come time for the regular season.

by billskk69 on Aug 23, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They’re definitely going to use the no-huddle.

They’re still stuck in that vanilla rut where every pass is out of the shotgun and every run comes with Trent under center. That will change come the regular season, but it certainly makes the job for GB’s defense pretty easy.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know that will change though, Bri? Remember the predictability of our run game the past few years? I know we want to believe that is gone, but how can we so easily say that will change in the regular season? I want to believe, I WANT TO BELIEVE!!!!

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terrell Owens. Seriously. That’s why I believe it will change. Clearly, I don’t know it will change.

The team hitched its hopes to Owens this off-season; I think that’s pretty clear. Well, they hitched them to Edwards, but it’s obvious that Edwards needs Owens.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So was my listing TO as the #2 most indispensable Bill in the Schobel story accurate?!? Haha. Glad you had TO as your #2 Bill to Decide the season and are backing it up.

I’m really hoping you are right with TO. I just can’t help seeing the other areas on O (blocking, run game, predictability, etc) all looking so bad and not expecting the return of TO to remedy all of that….

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't buy the whole T.O. excuse

Red zone….yes, but why can’t Parrish provide us a deep threat.

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by Joe P. on Aug 23, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

…or any threat?

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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see why Parrish is not effective in traffic,

but all he has to do is run fast down the sidelines, right?

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by Joe P. on Aug 23, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think he’s all that fast until he’s on an uninhibited dead sprint. He definitely doesn’t look fast enough when trying to beat a DB….

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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not if he can’t get off a jam.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then put him in motion or admit he is completely useless as a WR

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by Joe P. on Aug 23, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or admit he is completely useless as a WR

That’s pretty much what I’m saying when proclaiming the critical importance of T.O. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TO only a part of the answer, and not the biggest part

I’m really hoping Brian is right about TO as well. But I don’t think he is. There are some really big-play receivers in the league, but aside from maybe just a couple of exceptions, they don’t make THAT big a difference. The offense isn’t going to run through TO, however “absolutely crucial” he is to it. He’s going to have some impact, if he can hold on to the ball and not self-destruct emotionally, but I could see him having a solid year and the Bills still having a lousy offense.

by Applsoss on Aug 23, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not going to run through T.O. It’s going to run because of him. You can’t double cover Lee and Owens so you have to pick one. That frees one of them up. Do you think people are saying the same thing about Steve Johnson or Josh Reed? No. THe Titans CBs, some of the best in the league and INTs last year, were playing off ten yards because they were afraid. You saw how the first team O moved the ball on their one drive of the game. They were great because T.O. was in.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing….Isn’t Green Bay, and every other team, playing rather vanilla as well? How can they have success, but we can’t?

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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point. Agree 100%

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by Joe P. on Aug 23, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t Trent mention post-game that they were disguising blitzes and coverages all night?

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about their offense? What about other teams?

We have 3 points for our first team O, TO or no TO. Our starting D has allowed what, 38 points or so?

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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of those TD drives was one play. It got four yards or something. There was a drive where the Pack got the ball on the 34 or thereabouts and didn’t score. The D was in bad position after bad position because of the mistakes on offense.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, so they’ve allowed 31 points when they aren’t put in at the 5 yard line. Not exactly a huge difference in the point I was making.

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by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh you meant in all the games… I get it now.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They have not huddled this offseason. Langston Walker joked he wouldn’t know where to stand in a huddle.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian, Come on. We aren’t simply missing TO. The OL has been getting abused at times, we can’t run the ball and Trent is dinky dunker. Tempo changes and new wrinkles will definitely help, as well as a healthy Eldorado, but there has to be a ton of concerns right now about the other parts of the O….

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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not just dink and dunk…. when TO was there he was going downfield. He went downfield to Lee last game. Last night… was just dink and dunk. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Parrish was fast.....why didn't we have him going deep?

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by Joe P. on Aug 23, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because he never catches those anyways. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying don’t be concerned. I’m saying it’s ridiculous to expect THAT to be the norm.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough, but simply saying TO and changes in tempo will solve a lot of ills might be ridiculous too. I’m simplifying your arguments, I know, but I’m just getting more and more worried as the OL stinks it up and Trent looks like last year’s post-hot-start Trent….

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you hit the nail on the head. When the O line breaks down, Trent has no other choice than to dink & dunk. That’s why he can throw bombs in practice vs. these preseason games. Our D which we practice against still has no rush.

by billskk69 on Aug 23, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s exactly the problem. Nothing would help more than an effective running game, which would keep opposing D’s from being able to shut down all our deep receivers. But a running game requires run-blocking, and that’s something our first-string line can’t do at the moment.

by Macktruck on Aug 23, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

And that’s why our redzone O, if we get there(!), will be such a concern….

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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terrible game

But the positives are there are no major injuries to starters and the Bills were able to push out a 3rd and short.

Anyway, I wanted to add this…per Chris Brown’s write up post-game on buffalobills.com

Inactives
Those Bills players who did not play Saturday were CB Drayton Florence, TE Travis McCall, LB Aaron Maybin, LB Pat Thomas, LB Ashlee Palmer, WR Terrell Owens, DT Marcus Smith. WR James Hardy is still on PUP.

I find that calling Maybin a LB is interesting. I see us using the young man all over, and whereever he can contribute. We need him….but I still am trying to resist the temptation that he will be any more than a rotational pass rusher with little impact, at least through the first 8 games

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Aug 23, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They called him a LB when he was drafted, too, and they were wrong then. They did get a third and short first down by running Lynch for a couple. Good point.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the line just looked lost against that D

We have to be ready for this. More scouting of the 3-4 for this week I hope as the first should just prepare for 11/14 and use this as a launching pad

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by killascript on Aug 23, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't read into that.

Playing LB is much more difficult than playing DE in a 40 front Cover 2.

Likely just a misprint.

by Der Jaeger on Aug 23, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish we would hire coaches like Capers. He has a long history of great defenses. It looks like fun to be a fan of a good coached team.

by Buffalonian on Aug 23, 2009 1:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I second that thought

You’ve hit the tail on the donkey my friend! God I hate our coaches, I hate watching DJ make up is lame excuses in post game conferences, claiming that we just need to do better – no sh@#t watson! What a pile of crap! Trent Edwards said that they weren’t expecting the multiple looks they got (They were expecting a vanilla 3-4 defense) and that they did not do a good job at adjusting in the game. The really gets me mad because
a) we’ve seen and lost to 3-4 defenses before so I know we didn’t practice against a scout team during the week but who cares, they should still be able to recognize and adjust. This just proves to me that they are not as good as I was letting myself believe they were.
b) the coaching staff are clueless. I was pissed off last year after each loss because we were unable to make the proper in-game adjustments and I can see now that I can expect the same again this year. These coaches suck big time. Pre-season games are also useful for the coaches to practice their game management skills – unfortunately for us, our coaching staff do not realize that they need to.

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by keysh67 on Aug 23, 2009 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NFL teams do not game-plan for pre-season games. That was painfully apparent on the first touchdown – anyone who has ever watched a GB game knows that they like to run those super-quick slants inside the 10-yard line, but Leodis was eight yards off of Jennings. That touchdown came with ease. Had they game-planned, Leo would have known that route was coming.

I guarantee you that you’ll have plenty of opportunities to bitch out the coaching staff during the regular season. Save your big guns for then, my friend, because it’s rather ridiculous to start it now.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d just feel better if I knew that there was a head coach yelling obscenities at the players who looked like crap last night. Instead, cagey Dick will just off into the distance, followed by “I think there’s still some areas we need to work on”.

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by dzil on Aug 23, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

stare off, dammit.

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by dzil on Aug 23, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF?

These guys aren’t paid to have intensity or yell or scream. Do you think Tony Dungy won a Super Bowl by dropping f bomb on his players? Coaches should be level headed. They should be able to make decisions and deal with players without losing their cool. People get so pissed when Jauron doesn’t give them any info in a press conference but he is doing the right thing by not saying that stuff or throwing a player under the bus. People get so pissed when he isn’t screaming on the sidelines. Did anybody else see him giving the ref the business yesterday for calling offsides on Schobel? The guy obviously cares and deals with personnel. So what if he’s not red-faced and loud-mouthed?

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coaches should also be able to make adjustments and put their players in position to succeed. I don’t care that Jauron is stoic, but at some point it’d be nice to have someone that shows a little fire and gets his players fired up. We’ve lack intensity and played weak for as long as he’s been here. That’s no coincidence.

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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The offense was in a position to succeed. Then T.O. got hurt, Trent decided to hold onto the ball too long, the Bills committed 13 penalties, and the OL got little to no push on run plays.

If I were Jauron I’d be pissed. I bet he is, too.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that’s what you hear publicly. I am quite certain he’s not that nice behind closed doors.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Jauron’s behind door policy hasn’t worked for 3 years so maybe he needs to show some emotion. I mean people (not me or you) compare his demeanor to Levy’s but they are nothing alike as Levy’s showed the passion Jauron lacks.

And sometimes that passion needs to come out to the press

by Berg79 on Aug 23, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To me this is the issue. There are different styles of coaching and both work. Some are calculated and some are emotional. Some are stoic and some are animated. So if Jauron is going to be the calculated and stoic type of coach, for the fans it has to manifest in great decision making. We have to see the fruit of him being calm during adversity. The issue is the fans don’t think he is smart enough behind the proverbial closed door. So therefor if he is incapable of being the one style, the fans want him to at least show emotion. If he is incapable of that or unwilling because he wants to maintain his composure, then he is no longer deserving of the benefit of doubt.

by Buffalonian on Aug 23, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Start now?

I haven’t stopped bitching about coaching since last season.

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by BillsNYC on Aug 23, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was painfully apparent on the first touchdown – anyone who has ever watched a GB game knows that they like to run those super-quick slants inside the 10-yard line, but Leodis was eight yards off of Jennings.

Wait a minute. If it’s so obvious for anyone who has watched GB (and I agree), how in the world can they not have had Leo up on the line? They don’t have to 100% gameplan for a team, but come on, at least be prepared. And do you really need to watch film of GB or anyone to know not to play 8-10 yards off the WR inside the 10? That’s common sense.

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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why on earth wouldn’t the coaching staff have prepped their second year starting CB on GB’s basic tendencies? Isn’t teaching young players how to read film and make use of their preparation on the field part of what you want to accomplish in the preseason? Don’t we want Leo to practice that so he gets good at it?

by Macktruck on Aug 23, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously. That’s just a flawed excuse. Gameplanning doesn’t even account for that TD. It’s just football common sense to have your CB’s up on the WR inside the 10. It’s just another example of bad coaching.

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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why on earth wouldn’t the coaching staff have prepped their second year starting CB on GB’s basic tendencies?

Because the game doesn’t count. I feel pretty certain that if the game meant something, they’d have discussed that.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are they keeping a DB 10 yards off the ball inside the 10? This has nothing to do with who we were playing either. It’s just common sense, isn’t it?

And why can’t they prepare Leo for what he’ll need to do during the season? Is it really that difficult to spend an extra half hour going over this?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I looked back. He was 5 yards off of the WR. On the other side, McGee was about 3 yards off with slight inside positioning. It really just looked like McKelvin lined up wrong.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well then, that’s fair, I guess. 5-10 yards off is ridiculous though.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The game might not count...

But the results do. If you don’t prepare the team to play & perform well against an opponent that you know the tendencies, then how can you evaluate their skills? Put them in a position to make plays and then evaluate them on their ability to cash in.

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by keysh67 on Aug 23, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There ya go

That’s something I’ve been trying to say, but just haven’t been able to find the words!

You need to practice how you play and be prepared at all times. Doesn’t the staff want to properly prepare their players to face certain situations, in order to properly evaluate their performance? If you’re sending guys out to play against looks they haven’t seen, then they are already in position to fail.

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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poor donkey

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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

!

Did Trent really say that?

How in the world can this team NEVER ADJUST to anything thrown at them??? I keep expecting some sort of change/improvement, but it’s the same crap with this coaching staff!!!!

I think we can start writing Jauron’s press conference answers for him. They’re oh so predictable!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never adjust = Bad Coaching.

Everyone seems to know this.

Maybe Ralph will pony up for a real coach after they go 7-9 again.

by Berg79 on Aug 23, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gruden

in my opinion would do wonders with Edwards.

by Buffalonian on Aug 23, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed. Shannahan too

by Berg79 on Aug 23, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shanahan over gruden after what I have heard from Tampa bay fans

Most think gruden inherited that SB team and then proceeded to ruin it. Shanahan is a well respected coach who I think would really bring in quality coordinators and help our running game. I mean look as his track record, with his teams you don’t even need a stud rb to have have wonderful success!

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 23, 2009 5:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I am anxious for TO to stoke the fire

Get some passion flowing – at least make it look like someone actually cares about the outcome

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FEED the BEAST!

by keysh67 on Aug 23, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember

We used to have Dick LeBeau at one time. Ted Cottrell is no slouch either. Hmmm…it would be nice to have either of them right now. BTW – I like our defense, I just am still not convinced our D line can rush the passer or stop the run. They can do it OK, just not great, which is what you need to be a playoff caliber team.

by billskk69 on Aug 23, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jairus Byrd

I know he was on the field, but did anyone notice how he looked? I didn’t see him do anything much.

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by dzil on Aug 23, 2009 8:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To everyone who's up in arms over yesterday:

Look out! That piece of sky almost landed right on you! :)

Sidenote: B.J. Raji looked damn good on Sportscenter. He bull rushed his way right into the backfield a few times. We need to let guys like him overpersue and take themselves out of the play, a la Chris Kelsay. Of course, that’s easier said than done when it’s a DT.

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by jj24 on Aug 23, 2009 8:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am so glad we didn't have to watch the Bills pass on him

"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.

by Joe P. on Aug 23, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad you added that last part. You can’t exactly let a DT take themselves out of the play when they are bowling over your Center or Guard and collapsing the pocket!!!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple positives from last night:

Keith Ellison made a fantastic play to stuff Ryan Grant for a loss. The coaching staff continues to take the football when they win the coin toss.

Areas of concern for me: the team continues to be befuddled by the 3-4. And yes, I know it’s pre-season and all that jazz. It’s still a concern and still a reality for the coming season.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 23, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And yes, I know it’s pre-season and all that jazz. It’s still a concern and still a reality for the coming season.

Exactly. It is nothing more or less than a concern. One can be concerned without having their brain explode. Props to you. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I made it through the 80’s, 90’s and early 00’s without any explosions of the head. I can wade through the brush for now. =)

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 23, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But…but…Hangartner practiced against a 3-4 last year….

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by BillsNYC on Aug 23, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, he didn’t…

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't get excited over exhibition games

But IS disturbing when your first string cannot a score a TD in three-out-of-three games. So much of this team depends on Trent Edwards’ play this year…….and, frankly, I don’t see his pocket presence as any different from last year.

by ccthemovieman on Aug 23, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I continue to be more impressed with Fred Jackson this preseason than I do with Lynch. He’s got a great outside burst and a great ability to sneak through when running routes.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 23, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that

and I hope he starts the final two exhibition games to get more experience running behind this new line.

by ccthemovieman on Aug 23, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will admit his pocket presence was terrible last night but in the first two preseason games I think he has looked good in the pocket. He just holds the ball too long because he doesn’t want to waste the play.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you, Brian

For not even attempting to sugar-coat last night’s giant-sized turd.

Bit I’m one who has to say that last night’s effort does put the first two preseason games into the distant past category, at best.

How can this group ever be allowed to get away with a lame effort? After 3 7-9 seasons? There is no excuse, preseason game or otherwise.

And I said here several weeks ago that after the first 3 weeks, it may be very difficult to remove Jackson from the starter role, and all disagreed soundly with me at that time; that Lynch would resume his role no matter how Jackson performed. I stand by my position, particularly if our head coach has any evidence of manhood. Jackson is primed to perform extremely well in those games.

As for Steve Johnson, and I’ve said this before as well: he needs to to be on the field. He is that good.

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by ChipShot on Aug 23, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jackson is not better then Lynch.

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by TEMSON on Aug 23, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That may be true, but he’s playing better than Lynch in this offense right now.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 23, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which means nothing. Anyone who thinks Jackson is going to leapfrog Lynch on the depth chart is just as misguided as those who think Hamden is going to leapfrog Fitz, Omon/Hall is going to leapfrog Rhodes, or Stupar is going to leapfrog Fine/Schouman. It just isn’t going to happen barring injuries.

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by TEMSON on Aug 23, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I didn't say Jackson was better that Lynch

But he is more dependable (obviously), and performs better behind our line. And I didn’t say he would pass Lynch on the depth chart. What I said was that after the first 3 games, he should leapfrog him.

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by ChipShot on Aug 23, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I disagree, I don’t think he should leapfrog Lynch based on 5 or 10 runs in the preseason – and also he won’t.

I also don’t see how he’s “obviously” more dependable based on a couple preseason performances. If you mean because Jackson hasn’t gotten suspended – I’m not sure that’s relevant.

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by TEMSON on Aug 23, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

Lynch has only run against the 1’s while Jackson has had the luxury of the 2’s. Not all the time but he has run against the 2’s also. And a good stat for the preseason, lynch = 0 turnovers. Jackson = 1 turnover. I love Jackson, but I don’t think he’s better than lynch.

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 23, 2009 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

How can this group ever be allowed to get away with a lame effort? After 3 7-9 seasons? There is no excuse, preseason game or otherwise.

I wholeheartedly agree. This team should NEVER have poor efforts or lack intensity. But they do….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no more chance

Thats true I love my BILLS but another 7`9 season I think tats it for me

by abayarde on Aug 23, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey abayarde, don’t lose hope that quickly. You’ll stick with the team even through another 7-9 season and coaching change. We all will.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone who doesn’t deserves the scorn of the true fans.

by Mark Parisi on Aug 23, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A question then...

Would 6-10 keep you on the wagon for another year?

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by ChipShot on Aug 23, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel bad for Brian. It must get tiresome repeating the same mantra over and over – “it’s just the preseason, stop going freaking crazy” – but it appears as though that’ll continue right up until MNF.

The highs and lows of Buffalo fans – extreme is an understatement.

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by TEMSON on Aug 23, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You don't have to feel bad for Brian

He chooses to be optimistic, others choose to be pessimistic. Any kind of emotion is good for driving website hits. He doesn’t have to “talk people off the ledge”, he chooses to, maybe because that’s his nature.

In my personal opinion, the fans should be pissed that we haven’t seen much improvement in our record/areas of weakness in the past 3 or so years. The fans spend hard earned money to go to games, buy the gear, etc. Also, even if you don’t support the Bills willingly, your tax money is spent to improve their stadium.

At least this year Ralph is trying to bring some excitement/entertainment by signing TO. At the end of the day, sports is just entertainment. And if we are going to go 7-9 again, at least it will be exciting this year!

by StroudFanClub on Aug 23, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He doesn’t have to "talk people off the ledge", he chooses to, maybe because that’s his nature.

Getting close to being done with that. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And while I do think Fans should be pissed about past years of 7-9

I don’t think people should be writing them off so early this year.

I believe our past draft, although we leave value on the table by not trading down and still getting our guys, was a step in the right direction by improving the O-Line. I believe TO will open the offense up for Lee Evans, which will do wonders for the entire offense.

But, if TO plays well, and Lee Evans still doesn’t match some of his early years stats, I will have a real problem with considering Evans an elite WR in this league.

by StroudFanClub on Aug 23, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FOr the first time in years it’s not anger over this team it is more of a disheartening feeling bc you feel there is no hope with Jauron coaching. I want to get angry like last year bc that will mean I have expectation which means I have hope.

by Berg79 on Aug 23, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, I’m sorry, but there’s no longer any hope because we played badly in a preseason game?

This is what I’m talking about – get a grip people, it was a PRESEASON game.

Next week, if we play well against Pitt, people are going to be writing posts about our superbowl chances again.

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by TEMSON on Aug 23, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, the fewer people you talk off the ledge now, the fewer you have to talk off the ledge later. It’s just common sense. :-)

by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 23, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its gonna be a long season

Lets face it, the Bills looked awful. Its not going to get any better with uninspired play calling and less than stellar coaching. They should make Steve Tasker the head coach, he had a lot more insight than the current staff. The OL looks weak and may jell in a year or 2. You would think in the preseason they would air it out a bit but no we get the conservative run on 1st down zzzzzz offense. Defense was picked apart and if this was a regular season game it could have been 50-0. The only hope is we are so bad we get a new coach.

by thundarr357 on Aug 23, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They passed on the first play of the game… :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some opinions

on the so- called int. from Edwards to Evans. These stripes need to throw the flag on these over the back and premature hits. Its a game changing non call that happens against the Bills way too often. It needs to be pointed out so this isn’t a reg season fiasco. Our receivers are too good not to get these calls every time!

by marks4412 on Aug 23, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t think that that was a missed call on Evans. The CB might have been a hair early, but it wasn’t blatant in the least.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Way Way WAY Off Topic But:

Our Fantasy Football League (League 3) is set to draft tonight at 10pm, but we are still missing one person.

To our Commish, do you know if this person is signing up?

Brian, Is there a list of alternates that can step in?

Thanks in advance for the help!

by StroudFanClub on Aug 23, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t have one. If someone wants to step up, feel free.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll play

If it’s not filled already

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 23, 2009 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

League 4 needs one more player as well if anyone is interested.

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-Marv Levy

by TEMSON on Aug 23, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

again

i am, but please one or the other. im already in another league.

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 23, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can join league #3:

Here is the link:

http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/showLeague.do?leagueId=74338&invite=true

League name: Buffalo Rumblings League 3
League password: gobills (this is a private league and requires a
password)

Draft starts at 10pm so please sign up quick! Thanks!!

by StroudFanClub on Aug 23, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well league 4 needs one as well.

http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/showLeague.do?leagueId=74348&invite=true

BR League 4
password: rumblings
draft: Aug 30 at 3:00PM

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by TEMSON on Aug 24, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anybody watch Aaron Rodgers and think “what if”?

What if Donohoe hadn’t traded up for Losman and instead waited until the next year to find a QB for the future? We were in position to pick Rodgers, and man how sweet it’d be to have that guy now. He’s one of the best young QB’s, maybe best QB’s, in the NFL.

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by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He also has some solid WR and was also tutored by Brett for how many years?

by Ghetts on Aug 23, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Favre did much ‘tutoring’. Didn’t he pretty much ignore Rodgers?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea

Favre is notorious for not ‘tutoring’ younger qb’s. It’s part of his god-complex

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 23, 2009 5:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Does anybody watch Aaron Rodgers and think "what if"?

Not much point in thinking that, in my opinion. Remember, Brady wasn’t Brady when he was drafted in the 6th round, just like Rodgers wouldn’t be the player he is now if he were thrown to the wolves right away. So much of a player’s development is dependent on the environment they’re in; it’s not surprising there are so many more Leafs than Mannings.

Rodgers looks good because he’s had time to comfortably develop. I think if he were playing in the warzone behind the OL that Losoman had to, he’d be a much different player.

by Mark Parisi on Aug 23, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coaching is 99% of Rodgers success.

by marks4412 on Aug 23, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh, what? So it’s 1% Rodgers? He’s a darn good player and very talented….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 23, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blatant;

is not what i wrote ; Brian.The replay speaks for itself. why don’t you ask Evans, since hes the pro and not you ’ wide receiver" . These guys know !! It either IS , Or it IS NOT. This is detrimental to our success. Patriots,Cows.g,ants, get these blooming calls, why not Buffalo??

by marks4412 on Aug 23, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

First thing’s first – if you click “reply” on a specific comment, I don’t have to sit at my desk trying to figure out what you’re replying to. Just a suggestion. :)

Second – if you’re saying either it is or it is not, then I’m going with is not. Edwards was late on that throw, and it was a really good play by Nick Collins.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getting testy after three weeks of Chicken Littles, huh, Brian? :)

Can’t say I blame you. Then again, I can’t say I blame them either. We, as fans, are starved for a team that rewards the hope we’ve invested in it.

by Mark Parisi on Aug 23, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

woah

Freaking out much everyone?

Pre-season games are not usually indicative of regular season performance. That’s all that we need to know. The 2nd string usually shines because they are playing for their jobs… 1st stringers are just trying not to get hurt and to get back up to game speed.

Relax

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by ForeignArrow on Aug 23, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

thank you

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by TEMSON on Aug 23, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby April

After seeing the command and respect he has from the entire team at camp, I’d install him right now as head coach. Yeah, I know, I know, the timing is more than a reach. But who can endure what is shaping up to be another season of being out coached and out prepared on a weekly basis en route to another 7-9 or worse?

It’s no coincidence that he is easily the most visible and audible coach on the field at training camp. Hell, without the ridiculous straw hat this year, I was never able to find Jauron at one practice…invisible. A year ago, I didn’t feel that strongly about April. I do now.

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by ChipShot on Aug 23, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So Bobby April isn't part of the coaching staff?

If he is so prepared, how come he let a punter run a 40 yard TD? If he is such a good coach how is he letting the bad coaches be lackluster? This Bobby April nonsense has to stop.

He’s the most visible coach because he’s the ASST HEAD COACH. It’s his job to be the most visible. Jauron was at every practice, often times leading the charge during a change from one end of the field to the other.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s his job to be the most visible.

Uh, whaaaa? Isn’t his job to coach the ST’s and get the most out of his players? Most visible? What does that even mean?!?!?!

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by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ChipShot's words... not mine.

Bobby April is the most vocal coach out there. He has a megaphone because he deals with half a field in his formation. Jauron was front and center. So were Fewell and Schonert. He’s reaching for straws. Frankly I never saw April working with anyone unless it was ST time.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A little bit offtopic, but you guys have to watch the highlight vid of BJ Raji and what he did to our starting OL. Woooo that guys is rediculous.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81214432/Pre-WK-2-B-J-Raji-highlights

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by Chriz on Aug 23, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He

was on the ground half the time… and he doesn’t have anything other than a bull rush. He is strong, though

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SuperBowl Poll!
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Tra Thomas Anyone??
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Why not Brohm?

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