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Did Dick Jauron call out Trent Edwards?

Buffalo Bills head coach Dick Jauron has arguably the single most tenuous hold on a head coaching job in the NFL as the league stands today.  Though he was retained last winter after three consecutive 7-9 seasons in Buffalo, Jauron was close to getting fired last December.  There's no question that 2009 is a make-or-break season for Jauron; the same can be said for many of the players that Jauron has put his faith in - and tied his future in Buffalo to.

The most prominent player of that group, clearly, is third-year quarterback Trent Edwards.  In two years, Edwards has flashed the tools and potential to become an above-average, consistent starting quarterback at the NFL level.  Jauron has stuck with Edwards as his starter for two straight off-seasons, despite not-unreasonable arguments to look elsewhere for a quarterback.

Is Jauron feeling the strain? It's very possible.  After Edwards turned the ball over twice and looked disturbingly unsettled in the first half of the Bills' pre-season loss to Green Bay, Jauron did not convey worry - but he didn't come close to publicly acquitting his quarterback, either.

"He's just got to be more careful with the ball," Jauron told assembled media at the conclusion of the 31-21 loss.  "But he can't be, you know, you can't be timid.  You've got to pull the trigger."  Later asked to clarify his remarks, Jauron stated the following: "I'm just saying on the field, you can't be timid, you can't go in fearful and play any position in this game, particularly at quarterback."

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Jauron doesn't do this, folks.
Entering his ninth full season as a non-interim NFL head coach, Jauron is pretty famous for being a players' coach.  If he has to handle a situation with a player on his team, he does so behind the scenes.  Nothing bad about a player is ever conveyed publicly.  You don't hear anything substantial through the media.  Public information is at a minimum, which is part of the reason why he comes across as dry and repetitive in press conferences.  Angelo Crowell is a good example - Jauron never said anything bad publicly about Crowell when he was placed on IR or again when the team apparently was interested in re-signing him this past March (before Crowell bolted to Tampa Bay).  Those aware of the truth in the situation realized that once Crowell hit IR in September of 2008, he wasn't going to suit up for this team again.

It's possible that Jauron's comments on Saturday night were intended to be a generality.  They certainly didn't sound like generalities.  Jauron seemed to be calling Edwards out, even if not in the fiery, passionate fashion Bills fans crave.  That (both the fired-up-temperament and the public mention of a possible weakness) is not something Jauron does.  That, folks, is about as bold as you'll see Jauron get in public.  Anyone want to bet that Jauron's words weren't far more pointed to Mr. Edwards behind the scenes?

Jauron has reason for concern.  Whether we like to admit it or not, the Bills' 2009 fortunes - and, a bit less importantly, the futures of both Jauron and his quarterback - rest on the shoulders of No. 5.  If he's good, the Bills will be good.  If he's bad, the Bills will be bad.  Edwards is good when he's decisive.  He just needs to be consistently decisive - and he's not anywhere near that level yet.

Concerns over Edwards' timidness
Edwards was first proclaimed "timid" by the fan base in a 2008 Week 11 loss on Monday Night Football to the Cleveland Browns.  After throwing three first-quarter interceptions, Edwards seemed overly reluctant to throw the ball down field, relying on short check-downs and the running game to move the ball.  Still, Edwards had the team in position to win the game late, but concerns remained.

And they still remain.  Though he looked more decisive after completing 13 of 14 passes in the Bills' first two pre-season games this year, Edwards returned to his hesitant ways on Saturday night.  On his second throw of the game, Edwards had WR Lee Evans open roughly 15 yards downfield, but after a slight hitch in his throwing motion - clearly put there by a hesitancy to make the throw, as the Packers had solid coverage on the play - the ball arrived late, allowing S Nick Collins to make a play on the ball.  The pass was tipped, and LB Brady Poppinga intercepted it.

On his third drop-back of the game, Edwards was sacked (though in this particular case, he didn't have a real chance to get rid of the ball).  On his fourth drop-back, Edwards - who later admitted he was undecided on this particular play - tried to move outside the pocket, didn't tuck the ball, and was sacked and fumbled.  Green Bay recovered and scored on the next play.

From that point forward, not one of Edwards' throws traveled more than ten yards downfield.  That's not going to do anything to quell the notion that you're timid, Trent.

The maturation process of a quarterback
Jauron is right to have a good deal of faith in Edwards.  He has the tools and football smarts to be something more than a game manager at this level - he's not an elite, blue-chip quarterback, to be sure, but a consistent, decisive Edwards can win teams a lot of football games.  After all, the Bills are 12-11 when an inconsistent, indecisive Edwards starts under center.  He's not going to reach his potential, however, until he grips it and rips it.  You can be cautious all you want, but mistakes will still happen - it's the NFL.  He has to trust what he sees; usually, he sees the right thing.  Now he's got to make it happen.

Perhaps Jauron chose his words carefully in this instance, as well.  Maybe the idea was to get the message across to Edwards both behind the scenes - which, again, I've no doubt has been accomplished - as well as in the public arena.  Then again, maybe he slipped up under the strain of the realization that if that Trent Edwards is present for most of the Bills' games in 2009, he'll be out of a job pretty quickly.

Either way, he's right.  Edwards has what it takes.  He can't take the next step in his development until he starts to play like a confident NFL quarterback.  His future, the team's success this season, and his head coach's future depends almost solely on his development.  Make it happen, Trent.  We can get behind a quarterback that proves he wants to win matchups, and win games, by his actions.  Time will tell if Jauron's subtle earmarking of this tendency will lead to a behavioral change in Buffalo's most important player.

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Great quotes by Dick

He needs to call him out, and I too believe he did. Edwards can’t be timid out there…and he has to get it together especially against the 3-4.
This is a good sign from the coach, we’ll have to see whether it translates to Trent. If it does great. If it only bgs him further, I don’t know.

The Bills CAN win any game

by killascript on Aug 24, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good write up

I just watched the 1st team offense on my dvr, and came away seeing the same old things that plagued this offense last year. “Indecision” by the QB. I mean you see flashes, when Trent gets the ball to his playmakers. The flat pass to Fred Jackson was a perfect example. Got the ball to Jackson on time and on target, he makes one guy miss and boom 13 yards. But Edwards, does not do enough of quick throws and that is due to his lack of deciveness with the football. He has to TRUST his reads, and do a better job of making pre-snap reads so he knows where to go.

After reading stories about the game, you’d think it was all doom and gloom. But after watching the tape, the real issue is, the Packers blitzed and the OL struggled some, but ultimately Edwards has 1 on 1 matchups with Buffalo’s skilled WR’s and RB’s and he didn’t get the ball out and to them on time. That’s an issue. Seeing Aaron Rodgers dominate our defense on those TD throws, makes you wonder if Edwards has that savvy and moxy to audible and read defenses and make those quick, timely decisions. He has to be the Trent Edwards he was in weeks 1-4 of last year, not the Edwards of the Cleveland game on MNF

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by MARVelous on Aug 24, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Brian. It’s good to point out when Jauron actually, you know, says stuff. I was listening to WGR this morning and this caller blasted Jauron for not calling out his players. If your boss called you out in front of the whole office you’d get the message but you’d be embarrassed at best or pissed off at worst. You’d probably get it done if you were embarrassed. God knows what would happen if you were pissed (postal workers anyone?).

I personally don’t think he was calling out Edwards in a hard core manner as much as he was saying it for everyone from the fans to Trent. You can’t be the hero without putting it on the line. I say that in my golf game before hitting a shot in a tree. LOL

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You should try closing your eyes when you play golf. It works just as well (or poorly) for me.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem is that it kills your putting game.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 24, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what happens when I put

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBWpq3y9KqI&feature=related

"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.

by Joe P. on Aug 24, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What happens when I putt

So easy Marshawn Lynch can do it.

by thatguy34 on Aug 24, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I have trouble being the ball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo0baknLDdU&NR=1

"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.

by Joe P. on Aug 24, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMFAO thats a great commercial!

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 25, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The putting is my problem. I could be a decent golfer if I didn’t 2-3 putt every hole.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had a birdie Sunday.

Knocked a 9 iron to the fringe and hit my putt way too hard… it hit the pin and dropped. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 25, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes it’s better to be lucky

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 25, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 25, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention the missed opportunity for Trent

There was no T.O. the last two weeks and there could be no T.O. next year. Yet to be determined. I was so excited to see this no huddle work with out T.O. only to be seriously dissappointed. This was a perfect opportunity for Trent to lead the offense and show leadership and command of his troops. It has not happened “YET”.

by VanScottM on Aug 24, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It seems to me the public pressure is at least slightly getting to both Trent and DJ. Trent calling out the fact that they are playing against looks they don’t practice against and not making on-the-fly changes, and DJ calling out that the QB has to protect the ball and pull the trigger.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 24, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought Trent's comments were fascinating, and it might reveal something about the Bills preparation.

It’s not the first time, either.

I mean, I guess you could interpret Trent as saying, ``Gosh, gee willikers, those guys didn’t play fair. It’s just preseason and here they are, throwing all these exotic blitzes and disguising their coverages and stuff. They’re not supposed to do that in preseason. We’re just going half speed, having a little fun for a series or two, and then watching the scrubs. They played, like, real football.’’

But I don’t think he was really complaining about the Packers not playing fair.

I think what Trent is really doing is calling out Turk Schonert for not preparing the team for what they were going to see, and then, even worse, not adjusting to it after he saw it on the field. Trent said something like this in his post game interviews last year, too.

by Defensewinsgames on Aug 24, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If this had been a regular-season game, then yeah, he’s calling out his coach. As the game didn’t count and the team doesn’t make a practice of game-planning for these games, he was decidedly NOT calling out his coaches.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 24, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi all, I’m new to replying. I’ve been excited as to the possibilities this year til this game. I’m no way near writing them off but this whole argument that this is just preseason is starting to bother me. If this type of defense has been our achilles heel all last year wouldn’t it be the best form of practice to actually prepare as well as possible for the game? I would argue this might just be showing the true weakness of this coaching staff because they shouldn’t treat it as a preseason game.

by vanarc on Aug 24, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well then wouldnt that be true for Richard's comments as well?

I mean if the game didnt count, why would Richard be calling out Trent?

Trent cant do the same?

You know, since it didnt count and all.

:-)

Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009

by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 24, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a MASSIVE difference between preparing for a pre-season game and executing a live play on a football field. It’s not even close.

No, the play ultimately doesn’t matter, but a bad throw is a bad throw in a live setting. The players still have to execute the play that is called. They can’t sit back and say “nah, I’ll just wait on this throw, it doesn’t matter.”

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 24, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, the new avatar is far better than the creepy Lost guy staring at the inner recesses of my soul.

by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 24, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

Rec’d.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 25, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still prefer the Watchers one myself.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 25, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WATCHERS?!?!

Watchmen.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 26, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DJ’s comment is quite a general one. In every game TE needs to be more decisive about throwing the ball and making reads.

TE’s comment is specific to this game. The were facing exotic blitz, coverage packages that they hadn’t gameplanned against.

But those fancy packages would not have been as effective if TE was throwing more decisively. So the general observation trumps the specific.

And honestly, there is only so much time to practice. And I would prefer they continue to gameplan against teams that they will play this season rather then get distracted just to win a preseason game.

by AussieBill on Aug 24, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the thing is atleast half of the games this year will be vs a 3-4.......

so getting some work against a 3-4 in practice woulda been smart IMO.

Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009

by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 24, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for sure

think that’s in everyone’s opinion, there’s a reason we went 0-6 in division play. The O-line’s gotta step up vs 3-4 D and trent’s gotta make better reads. he’s read’s 4-3’s well, too bad the only 4-3 team in the afc east is the Bills

by J. Mackin on Aug 24, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i understand where you are coming from.......

just seems kinda shady to me.

But I love Trent and hate Richard…….so take that for what its worth.

Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009

by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 24, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All this emphasis on “just preseason guys, come on,” but Trent called out the coaches this way (in the same subtle manner Jauron called out Trent) after many sour losses to the 34 last year saying that he did not have any practice against what the defenses threw at them (I remember in particular after the Browns MNF). Trent pointed out last year as well that they would watch films of what the defenses did the week before and when they played the Bills it was totally different.

Maybe this is Trent making excuses, but I doubt it; he, like Jauron seems to accept responsibility even when most of the blame should lie elsewhere. It seems clear to me that Jauron is consistently out-coached, and I have no reason to believe this year will be any different in that regard. A good coach prepares his quarterback for a game, and helps him adjust when he struggles early.

I continue to believe that Jauron and Schonert will always be a step behind in game planning, and are below average at best when it comes to making in-game adjustments.

by thejimbo on Aug 24, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All this emphasis on "just preseason guys, come on," but Trent called out the coaches this way (in the same subtle manner Jauron called out Trent) after many sour losses to the 34 last year saying that he did not have any practice against what the defenses threw at them (I remember in particular after the Browns MNF). Trent pointed out last year as well that they would watch films of what the defenses did the week before and when they played the Bills it was totally different.

Excellent point.

If it is just preseason, why is Jauron calling out Trent? Why is Trent making excuses?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the boy’s need to stop calling people out and start calling there own number and stepping up

by J. Mackin on Aug 24, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(I remember in particular after the Browns MNF)

The Browns game was truly different though. It was the first team to use a heavy coverage, say 8 guys, against the Bills. They didn’t prepare for it because the Browns never did it before and neither had any Bills opponents.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 25, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In further agreement

Schonert is the worst, he doesn’t prepare Trent and then blames him for making mistakes

For example, after the season last year he said:

"He missed some things," offensive coordinator Turk Schonert said. "I think as an offense we missed some things and it might have rattled him a little bit. We played some styles of defense that were a little different than what we had played earlier and he has just got to see those things."

Your job as an offensive coordinator is to prepare your offense to attack the defense you are going to see. The game should not be the first time your QB has to start recognizing and learning to play against the new defense. This is what practice is for.

by thejimbo on Aug 24, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap

I think I love it! Jauron finally showing the slightest bit of fire!

“He’s just got to be more careful with the ball,” Jauron told assembled media at the conclusion of the 31-21 loss. “But he can’t be, you know, you can’t be timid. You’ve got to pull the trigger.” Later asked to clarify his remarks, Jauron stated the following: “I’m just saying on the field, you can’t be timid, you can’t go in fearful and play any position in this game, particularly at quarterback.”

I think this also shows the pressure Jauron is feeling as a lame duck coach to win, and win ASAFP. His back is squarely up against the wall and he can’t afford to have a QB that plays this way. I’m glad he’s calling him out because maybe that’ll snap Trent out of it.

And isn’t this the same exact concern I’ve had this offseason and I was ridiculed for it? It was painfully obvious last year that Trent was hesitant to go down field, even timid as Jauron says. The fact that it’s being brought up already is a bad, bad sign. If TO is the magic elixir that helps cure Trent’s indecisive and hesitant downfield throws, then he will be a true hero for this offense. I see Jauron is getting sick of the dink and dunk garbage that results in no points. He knows we need the QB to get the ball moving and be decisive with his throws.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m really glad you added that F in there…..I’m going to start trying that in all my acronyms! LOFL, BRFB….This is great….you’ve opened up a whole new world to me!!!!

by bluecollarbuffalo on Aug 24, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

No problem!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

shouldn't it have read haFha?????

"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.

by Joe P. on Aug 24, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure DJ called him out, but I don’t think he did it in a bad way. I doubt Trent takes this the wrong way.

And with TO not playing, my one big question about Trent remains. To use the word, is Trent timid to throw downfield because he only has had one reliable player who is even remotely able to get open down field or is Trent too slow to make decisions, waiting for players to break wide open before throwing instead of anticipating routes and the defense. Is Trent throwing the ball to his reliable targets in his RBs and Reed, or does he wait too long trying to get a perfect read on the defense and make a safe play downfield. We won’t be able to answer that question without TO.

by kaisertown on Aug 24, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The trouble with some smart QBs

is they think to much. As Brian said, Edwards needs to grip it and rip it….he needs to stop thinking and react…trust his gut…show some b^lls…..or what Jauron meant when he

called him out, but I don’t think he did it in a bad way
….hey Ewards, quit being playing like a scared little girl and let it rip. I would much rather Edwards gets picked throwing a 30 yd post than a 10 yd curl.

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by Joe P. on Aug 24, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saying “balls” is allowed IMHFO, Joe.

Always go for the gold.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Aug 25, 2009 8:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

You could just use pelotas and have no problem.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 25, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer man berries......(teed up and ready for someone)

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by Joe P. on Aug 25, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I decided to play it safe.....Jauron must be rubbing off on me... Don't say it !

no need to go for the “warning” hat trick, this week anyway :-)

"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.

by Joe P. on Aug 25, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The key is it starts up front. In two games I haven't been sacked, really haven't been touched. It gives you a lot of confidence as a passer."

The above words come from Aaron Rodgers, quoted in a story by Mark Gaughn in today’s Buffalo News. He is explaining his success last Saturday night and during the preseason generally. And he is exactly right. I strongly disagree with Jauron if he was implying that the problem lies with Trent. That’s ridiculous. The problem has been that Trent has been getting very inconsistent protection, so that he doesn’t know on a given play whether he will have time to do his progressions or have to run for his life. Having no running game makes the situation twice as bad since defenders feel free to come after Trent on every down. With a very shaky o-line a young QB CANNOT be expected to build confidence. It’s just not fair. Give Trent the same o-line that Rodgers has and it would be reasonable to expect him to build up his confidence. Until that happens, it is foolish to ask Trent to do more than he is doing at this stage of his development (if he were a grizzled NFL veteran it would be different). Fix the o-line first and THEN ask Trent to deliver.

by Macktruck on Aug 24, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most of this except

for just one part I disagree with, and its not so much of a disagreement as it is a clarification. Everything you said is absolutely correct, it all starts at the O-line. With a good O-line and good protection, a QB has the time to look at his options and make a decision. This will help him get more used to his receivers’ tendencies, such as when they make breaks on routes, how they respond to different coverage types, etc. This will all help him become more confident.

if he were a grizzled NFL veteran it would be different

This is the part I disagree with. Young developing QB’s are not the only one’s who need a good O-line to help them with their confidence. Take a look at Marc Bulger for the Rams. When he took over the Rams as the starter after Kurt Warner left, he did pretty good. He wasn’t great or an elite QB, but he was solid and a definite starter and did good for the Rams for a few years. Fast forward to 2006 when their O-line really started to disintegrate due to injuries and inconsistant play from the backups. Bulger absorbed 49 sacks over the course of that season. In 2007, he took 37 sacks, and you could see he was starting to get gun shy.

And last year it got worse. He took 38 sacks and there was no hiding that his confidence was almost totally gone. He held the ball too long, he hurried throws that usually ended up being either off target or over/under thrown, he would spook easily and scramble out of the pocket where he had less protection. All these things stemmed from the O-line being very poor (I think they were ranked in the bottom 3 of the NFL all 3 of those years) and not giving him protection. That lack of protection is what turned him from a pretty good QB into a pretty bad QB in just a couple of seasons. While I agree with what you said, I just wanted to note that its not just young developing QBs that need a good O-line to keep their confidence up.

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by Chupathingy on Aug 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that’s absolutely right. A bad o-line will destroy any QB after a while. What I was suggesting is that good protection is even more crucial for someone just getting started in the NFL. He needs a chance to master his game at that level. After that really good vets can sometimes do ok for a while if they don’t have all the time they need, but any and all QB’s are highly dependent on their o-lines. That’s for sure.

by Macktruck on Aug 24, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true.

A vet can deal with a bad O-line for a while, but it will eventually get to them. Edwards hasn’t gotten to the point where he is fully comfortable yet, but without the O-line stepping up it may be a while before he does.

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by Chupathingy on Aug 24, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we thought that was bad

Monday night v.s the Pats is gunna be ugly

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by billsoferie on Aug 26, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is great...

We are applauding Dick Jauron for sounding like a head coach….listen to us.

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by ChipShot on Aug 24, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Has all the tools"

I cringe when I hear someone describe a Bills QB with that description, as I heard it time and time again with the inept Rob Johnson. Yeah, Rob had all the “tools,” all right – except brains, which could be used to read defenses and blitzes. Since Johnson was unable to do that, he got hammered time after time and then got “timid” and “gun-shy.”

To say Trent “has all the tools” right now is making a similar mistake. Let’s wait and see how he plays this season before labeling him with future greatness.

Good to see DJ verbally step up; you could see the frustration on his face during Saturday’s game.

by ccthemovieman on Aug 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To say Trent "has all the tools" right now is making a similar mistake. Let’s wait and see how he plays this season before labeling him with future greatness.

What? Since when is “has all the tools” synonymous with “he’s a future star”?!

The whole point of the article was basically to say that Edwards has what it takes, he just needs to make it happen. That’s a far cry from “yeah he’s gonna be GREAT!”

For the record – and feel free to not believe me, because I was a teen and did not run a blog at the time – but I never once said that Rob Johnson has “all the tools.”

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 24, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure you said “Rob Johnson is a tool”. I did.

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by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rob Johnson has my hammer. I want it back!

by Zumone on Aug 24, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I always laugh when a players "tools" come up.

Ah, the imagery! He’s sure got a lot of tools, he just hasn’t figured ’em all out yet.

Especially in baseball, it’s like a death knell. You never want to be deemed a “five tool” player. Your destiny becomes multiple extended stays on the DL.

by syrbillsfan on Aug 24, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you say "J.D. Drew?"

You must be Sox fan, at least that’s who comes to mind with your comment!

by ccthemovieman on Aug 24, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those were frustrating days

I argued on behalf of playing “Flutie,” because all he did was win,with the same players Johnson would lose with…..but most people kept throwing that “Rob has all the tools” nonsense in my face all the time…..so, I’m reminded of that every time I hear it.

This is different today – there is no QB controversy. It’s sink-or-swim with Trent. Let’s hope we “swim!”

by ccthemovieman on Aug 24, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

been frustrating since the start of the Post Kelly era

Flutie’s not the only one the office drove out of town, not quiet sure how we let Bledsoe walk just to replace him with Losman……love to have the 1st round pick back

by J. Mackin on Aug 24, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cliche but true

This is it for Edwards, if the team doesn’t do well this year, Dicks gone and chances are the new regime will want “there guy” at QB. could look at McCoy (i’m never for drafting someone from Texas, but this kid has the goods), Bradford, Clausen (i’m partial to this being a ND fan), even tebow. I’m hoping this doesn’t happen, i’m hoping in 16 games we’re talking playoffs and this is just a distant memory, but at this time it’s a distinct possiblity that we’re drafting a new QB in april

by J. Mackin on Aug 24, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ew

no clausen, until he shows he can play with the big boys. and judging by the ND sched, i dont think thats happening this year…..he has JP losman written all over him

by silverstreak3k on Aug 24, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Knew i was gonna have to defend Clausen

The kid just turned 20, he’s posted better #‘s the brady quinn and some guy with the last name montana and he’s being coached by an offensive genius (like it or not, you don’t co-ordinate the pat’s offense and not know what your doing) Clausen will light it up this year and break a few school records in the process, if he declares and we crap out this season Clausen would Be an excellent pick, him or McCoy

by J. Mackin on Aug 24, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Tebow.......

someone who has a proven record of being a winner………and part of a winning program. So what if he doesnt have all the measurables……..the only measureables that truly matter are W’s and L’s anyways.

Im sure Im in the minority in this case……..

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 24, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have no issues with tebow.....if

if McCoy, Clausen and Bradford are gone. But i catch your drift, TeBow can and has won, not sure i like them messing with his throwing motion, but i think he can succeed and he’s got the perfect personality for buffalo

by J. Mackin on Aug 24, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like tebow

his ability to play through EVERY injury is commendable. and something this team may need. Clausen is not a top qb though. where i think tebow should go about round 3, clausen shouldnt go till round 5. who does he even play this year? its nice to put up big numbers but beating st theresa’s school for the blind and deaf isnt much of an accomplishment. clausen needs to show he can play on a high level, and thats not happening at ND. and your argument about quinn for the moment is moot because he hasnt really done all that much yet. i would take mccoy, bradford,snead and tebow waaaayyyyy before clausen.

by silverstreak3k on Aug 24, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you go as far to say that

Tebow could be a Ben Rothlesburger

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by billsoferie on Aug 26, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice

good write-up. im glad jauron did make it public, it shows the fan base that he knows trents biggest problem. its nice to hear that they are doing something about it.

by silverstreak3k on Aug 24, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

great article. this is probably the boldest and most honest write up i’ve seen here about trent.

by chaucer on Aug 24, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, is this actual emotion that we’re starting to see out of Dick? If it is then maybe he should do it more often. I like this Jauron better then the old one anyways.

Captain of the "Promote Bob Sanders to Deffensive Coordinator" band wagon.

by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 24, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

anything he does differently from here on out can’t hurt. i mean, what he’s tried or done in the past obviously hasn’t worked.

by chaucer on Aug 24, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blown out of proportion (as usual)

A lot of this issue would go away with decent O-line play.

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Aug 25, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You’re not the first person to mention that the O-Line play is anywhere near as important as QB play. I could not disagree with this sentiment more. I could write a freaking 400-page novel on that subject, but for this comment, it suffices to say I just don’t agree with that in any sense. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 25, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree to disagree. From the defensive side of the ball, this is exactly why pass pressure is important. The defense tries to harass, if not sack, the QB in hopes of making him check down or making a poor decision. A very good O-line keeps most of that pressure off a QB, giving him not only time but a confidence boost to do what he needs to do.

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Aug 25, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Until we have decent O-Line play

We need Trent to avoid the sack which can lead to fumbles. We need to minimize the turnovers. Throwing the ball away and waiting for the next opportunity. The O-Line has been very inconsistent. IN between they have been average and allowed for plays. We will have some three and outs, but currently we are getting sacked, leaving them bumps and bruises on our QB and the occasional fumble… It should be harder at this point to develop the O-Line than a third year QB. He needs to make better decisions and he has experience against the 3 – 4 defense where our O-Line really hasn’t. That should of been foreseen, but I guess even the coaches missed on that one.

by VanScottM on Aug 25, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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