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Packers 31, Bills 21: Film Review, Defense

The Buffalo Bills are coming off of a lackluster performance in a 31-21 road pre-season loss to the Green Bay Packers.  While I still maintain that this isn't happening, there was plenty to be concerned about for the Bills in all three phases of the game.

As it's the pre-season, and the games are still pretend, I only watched enough of the game back on DVR to get through the starters.  I'll skim the second half later today (to publish Tuesday) to take a look at some younger players.  Talking points from Buffalo's defensive effort are after the jump; we've already looked at the offense.

Defense didn't have it easy
I'm not big on making excuses.  When I say, therefore, that the Bills defense wasn't treated fairly on Saturday night, I'm saying it fully aware of the fact that Bills defenders are paid to stop opponents from gaining yards and scoring points.  They didn't do a very good job of it in Green Bay.  They didn't get very much help, either - Buffalo's offense was so abysmal that of a whopping seven first-half possessions, the Packers started four of them in Bills territory (all coming off of turnovers).

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It also didn't help that Green Bay's offense - very potent and severely underrated just a year ago - is absolutely loaded.  They've got a tough, physical, young offensive line, and a solid running back in Ryan Grant.  More importantly, they've got a hell of a young quarterback in Aaron Rodgers, and they're four deep in quality receivers with two more athletic tight ends.  This is a unique offense in the NFL - they can beat you in virtually any fashion.  Let's not underestimate the importance of that fact.  Again, I'm not making excuses - the defense was bad - but they were put in extraordinarily disadvantageous situations.

Cute offenses could tear us apart
Just as they have in years past, the Bills have struggled with misdirection and play-action plays throughout the pre-season.  The most glaring example was on the Rodgers-to-Greg Jennings touchdown strike (on a drive that began at the Bills' 5-yard line).  Rodgers took the snap from under center, did essentially half a play-action fake (never extending his arm), then whipped around and fired a strike to Jennings on a quick slant.  CB Leodis McKelvin didn't have a chance on the play, but the half-fake was enough to keep LB Kawika Mitchell out of the throwing lane, as he tried to sneak forward on the run fake.

The linebackers are the major issue on fakes and misdirection, at least to my eyes.  Paul Posluszny generally reads fakes well and reacts strongly, but Mitchell and Keith Ellison often get caught in the wash or standing like statues as they try to reverse direction quickly.  They're not superb athletes.  Offensive coordinators have figured that out.

Green Bay ran a lot of cutback runs Saturday night, too, exposing another potential weakness - backside contain in run defense.  The defensive line generally does a great job of preventing a push; the Packers countered by moving them sideways.  They'd design a run to the right (or left), have their linemen crash to the right (or left), the linebackers would flow in the direction of the play, and a tight end and/or a pulling guard would trap backside.  The Bills always have a backside defender in position to make the play (usually Bryan Scott or a nickel back), but that generally happens four to six yards downfield.  Watch it for yourselves if you get a chance - this happened quite frequently.

My concerns about the pass rush are minor.  For now.
I liked a lot of what I saw out of Aaron Schobel.  He looks physical, and though he didn't exactly provide a ton of pressure, he was a handful for LT Chad Clifton on more than one occasion.  He can still get it done from time to time.  He just needs a running mate - if lines have to actually consider the other end on the field (welcome to Buffalo, Aaron Maybin), the pass rush might be OK.

The entire line looks quite physical - now we just need the athlete.  Said athlete starts practice on Monday.  I cannot wait to see him on the field next Saturday in Pittsburgh.

I have two minor (for now) concerns, however.  The defensive tackles aren't getting the job done in pass rush.  They're still one-move-and-done for the most part, and they're generally moved to either side pretty quickly.  Counter moves, fellas.  Also, Buffalo's blitz packages - while obviously very straightforward and "vanilla" (everyone's favorite buzzword this time of the year, though I prefer "sweet cream base"), never get home.  Here's hoping that changes when the games count - the blitz calls certainly will.

Miscellaneous Items
None of these topics is worth bigger paragraphs, so here's a quick rundown of the rest of my notes.

- It's a crying shame that Keith Ellison is so limited athletically.  I mentioned his getting lost in the wash - he's quick to rectify it, usually, but still a split second late.  Ninety percent of the time, he's exactly where he should be.  He was the team's best back-side defender in Green Bay.  His stuff on fourth and one in the first quarter was a thing of beauty - though it should be mentioned that that play never happens if Kyle Williams doesn't destroy his blocker and create an alley for Ellison to run through.

- I wasn't anywhere near impressed with Bryan Scott on the evening.  His run defense wasn't up to his usual standard, and far more troubling, he was torched a couple of times in coverage by second-year TE Jermichael Finley (who is going to be a star in Green Bay).  He had a batted ball in the second quarter on a blitz, but that was a bad decision by third-string QB Brian Brohm.  I've seen much better out of him.

- Speaking of safeties, they all were pretty terrible.  Donte Whitner still doesn't look completely comfortable playing deep in coverage; he has had some nice fills in run support from his free safety position, but looks a little slow to react in coverage.  Meanwhile, Scott, Ko Simpson and George Wilson - who aren't in the same league as Whitner athletically - look completely outclassed covering tight ends and slot receivers.  I'll watch Jairus Byrd closely later this evening, but boy, it'd be nice to get his athleticism into the lineup sooner rather than later.

- On penalties: most were pretty blatant.  Ellison and CB Ellis Lankster both had very obvious, very untimely pass interference penalties.  Schobel lined up offsides on one play - a penalty that shouldn't have counted, given that Packers WR Jordy Nelson moved toward the line of scrimmage prior to the snap, which should have been a false start/illegal procedure.  Dick Jauron was pretty miffed about that, and got on the refs for it.

All in all, it was sloppy.  It's no secret that this Bills defense isn't the type to acquit the offense very often when the offense sets it up to fail.  This defense can make plays when they have leads and can get a little undisciplined, but it's not a defense built to carry the team on its shoulders.  The offense needs to do its part to make this a dependable defensive unit.  That clearly didn't happen in Green Bay.

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Sweet home Orchard Park.

by the Uncommon Denominator on Aug 24, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Journey is NEVER appropriate.

by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 24, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d!

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by J2 on Aug 24, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

neither is linking to that stupid chicken, nearly ruined my day.

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by dzil on Aug 24, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha, recommended.

by thejimbo on Aug 24, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, the D may not have had it easy due to the offense, but it’s not like they put up much of a fight. The two longer TD drives were pieces of cake for the GB offense. They are very, very good, I will say that, but the D needs to put up a better front.

My concerns about the pass rush are minor. For now.

Hehe

A physical front 4? A little bit, but not consistently. 4+ypc for Grant and all day to throw for Rodgers isn’t exactly playing physical. And I’m not sure how Schobel is looking good….he’s getting engaged by the tackle and shows no ability to get by him. That’s not good to me….He needs a lot more than just a running mate out there to start getting pressure on the QB.

Why was Marcus Stroud wearing sleeves?

The DT’s really don’t provide much of a push in the pocket at all. Rodgers really had no problem stepping up in the pocket. One time he stepped up so far he almost reached an engaged Stroud.

How much different will the blitzes be during the regular season? They looked pretty similar to blitzes we saw last year, right down to the same result. What should we expect for different looks?

Bryan and Ellis looked good as reserves. Man, I hope they get some first team reps next week. We HAVE to see if they can do it against first units.

McCargo and Spencer Johnson looked pretty good out there too. It’s a solid DT group we have, but not spectacular in any way. Those two are solid reserves.

I had almost forgot about my love for Finley last year. He does appear to be a star in the making for that offense, as if they need another.

Does Whitner ever look all that comfortable or instinctive out there? He’s always been a step or two late in the passing game. For a guy who studies so hard and wants to be better, he just can’t seem diagnose quickly enough. Maybe that’ll change this season.

Byrd is thick. He looks like a RB out there. He didn’t look too bad, particularly tackling in the open field, but he is pretty slow. I don’t know if he’s going to add too much athleticism to the lineup. He’s one of those smart players that gets the job done by knowing where to be and when to be there, not so much with his athleticism.

Lankster came back down to earth, didn’t he? Unnecessary pass interference and facemask penalties, and a couple of times he just got beat by his man. But that happens with a young, raw DB. He does have a ways to go still, but he has ability and most importantly, seems to really understand the game.

That Terrell Sutton kid is pretty good, isn’t he?

Overall, the first unit D looked pretty atrocious last night. If we play like that against NE, we’ll lose by 5 TD’s. I don’t think they’ll play that poorly too often, but there are way too many concerns. I’m hoping there will be some wrinkles Fewell employs to get after the QB, because we need it. Something has to be done to help the DB’s out. They can’t be expected to consistently cover WR’s running slower developing crosses every time. They need help!!!!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 1:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sure, the D may not have had it easy due to the offense, but it’s not like they put up much of a fight. The two longer TD drives were pieces of cake for the GB offense. They are very, very good, I will say that, but the D needs to put up a better front.

Haha – you just said exactly what I said while making it look like you were disagreeing with me. Very tricksy. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 24, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was late and I don’t even think I was trying to disagree. I agreed with you that, my response just didn’t indicate that, haha.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nasty Tricksy Rogers with his play action

"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.

by Joe P. on Aug 24, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I’m not sure how Schobel is looking good….he’s getting engaged by the tackle and shows no ability to get by him. That’s not good to me….He needs a lot more than just a running mate out there to start getting pressure on the QB.

That’s what I see with Schobel as well. I’m skeptical that things will change when the season starts.

The DTs are especially frustrating because they never seem to get any kind of push (especially when you see Raji come in in his first game and get push). Maybe in obvious passing situations the Bills should slide DEs (like Denney and Kelsay) inside.

by Pistol on Aug 24, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m skeptical that things will change when the season starts.

well – i’ve seen nothing from him in recent memory that would make me beleive this will change. But that’s where Maybin and hopefully Ellis come in. Gotta give OBD credit for drafting Maybin and Ellis.

The flip side to that – I expect the good coaches – Bellichick etc… to run the draws on us in 3rd and long and still pickup good yardage when Maybin is in – because he’s going to be pass rush first. Hope they realize that

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by J2 on Aug 24, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point, maybe we’d be better off with his cousin Bo, at least he’s got some youth and will prolly be sacking Losman pretty often this year.

by thejimbo on Aug 24, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I give the first unit D a pass

only, and IF only you think that the don’t want to get hurt.
Tivo it again and think of Jauron saying “have fun but don’t get hurt” and you realize everything is entirely different. That defense just didn’t want to hurt themselves. Vanilla. Playing exactly 1 quarter and then giving in. The coaches didn’t care. They wanted their players to survive into game 1.
If you watch the entire game, same thing. Offense didn’t matter. Early penalties hurt all drives and fumbles killed them.
Jauron told his players to survive. Pre-season means nothing.

by JoeSelkirk on Aug 24, 2009 1:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, if that’s the case why are they even stepping on the field?

by Pistol on Aug 24, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha
They wanted their players to survive

I can see Fewell’s (or Freewill….as in the offense is free to impose its will) pregame speech to the players now,

fast forward to the 2:15 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poxnVl2bBPQ&feature=related

"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.

by Joe P. on Aug 24, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did notice at least one stunt by the line in the 4th quarter on the drive Bryan had three consecutive stops. On the 3rd and 20 play (11:03) he ran behind the DT and straight up the middle untouched, then ran smack into the running back for no gain. But that might have been the only play that would be flagged for illegal defense in the Pro Bowl…

by Krenn on Aug 24, 2009 5:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great review

I also like the way Brian’s optimism plays off Kurupt’s pessimism on this site.

Brian, one thing I have to disagree with you about is your optimism with regard to the ability of single players to make so much impact. On offense you’re holding out a lot of hope for TO to be the guy we’re counting on to change everything/make the new offense work. Maybe that’s exaggerating what you’ve said a bit, but not much. I think that’s iffy. I’m just hoping he holds on the ball and doesn’t blow up mentally. And on defense you say this:

The entire line looks quite physical – now we just need the athlete. Said athlete starts practice on Monday. I cannot wait to see him on the field next Saturday in Pittsburgh.

Maybin has a lot of potential, but we don’t have that much to go on as far as evaluating him yet. I figured he be a work in progress most of this year anyway, and that was before he missed all of training camp.

I hope both TO and Maybin can really contribute, but I don’t see either of them as being the keys to turning things around. The vets have got to step up.

by Applsoss on Aug 24, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whoa. Yeah, I called T.O. the key to making the offense work, but I was speaking solely from the way defenses can play us. I didn’t come close to proclaiming Maybin anywhere near as important as Owens. I was merely saying that the Bills have solid end play, and now they just need to get the athlete up to speed to have a pretty well-rounded group. I don’t think that my excitement to see him on the field means that I’m saying he’s the key to the defense. He’s not. Playing with leads is.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 24, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Playing with leads is.

that’s basically how this D is designed right? to play with a lead?

So yeah – I think T.O. is a huge part of this as you point out. He will open up things for Lynch/Jackson.

Then Maybin/Schobel can do their thing when they have a lead

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by J2 on Aug 24, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't anyone else annoyed with this?
that’s basically how this D is designed right? to play with a lead?

Is there a defense that is better playing from behind? I doubt there is a defensive coordinator in the league who like to start a game by spotting the other team a few TDs. What you are really saying is our defense doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell at stiffening and stopping other teams once they get behind, or at scoring some points by creating turnovers …… probably because they are worn out in the 4th quarter from our Offense going 3 and out.

"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.

by Joe P. on Aug 24, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone seen the stats on our defense this preseason?

We are about top 10 in yardage, but 27th in points allowed – even for preseason, ouch!

by Ghetts on Aug 25, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, that's not nice.

It’s not like I say anything that others don’t say! I call it how I see it and other than the pass rush and coaching staff, I don’t see any truly lost causes out there. There’s a lot of improvement that can be made out there and I expect there to be some. Whether that’s enough to turn this team into a winner and overcome their issues, I don’t know.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defensive Concerns

I am probably one of only a handful of Bills fans who is not concerned about our front 4 from BOTH a run standpoint and a passrush standpoint. However, I am very concerned about the OLB (both of them) coupled with Scott. Scott needs to be a stud on run plays to compensate for his mediocre pass coverage. I watched a play 5 times where Grant ran for about 16 yards and Scott just missed him when it appeared everyone up front did there job, Poz shot blocked one land and Scott needed to make the tackle for a 2 yard gain in the other lane. That coupled with getting burned twice by Finley is concerning. We play very few elite WRs but our schedule is stacked with fantastic pass catching RB’s and TEs who I feel will torture Ellison/Mitchell/Scott. I know it won’t happen but I still would like to see Nic Harris start.

“Dick Jauron was pretty miffed about that, and got on the refs for it”

Um….got on the refs? That would mean DJ actually spoke during the game and I would need proof to believe it. Maybe he said excuse me is a soft wisper.

Again I re-iterate I hope DJ gets some opportunities to practice throwing challenge flags AND GETTING THE REFS ATTENTION in the last 2 preseason games.

by Berg79 on Aug 24, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t Scott dealing with a knee that he just injured last week? Sure, he’s cleared to play, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t affecting him.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 24, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes he was injured last week. But, it doesn’t make too much sense if he is still banged up to play him in preseason. I assumed he was relatively healthy or the team wouldn’t have risked further injury.

by Berg79 on Aug 24, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scott was also very solid last year and did a good job shutting down some very good TE’s (Gates, Winslow off the top of my head). I’m not worried about him, he’ll be pretty good for us.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We play very few elite WRs

Disagree

Randy Moss
Andre Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Steve Smith
Roddy White
Marques Colston
Wes Welker

Others that are pretty good:
Dwayne Bowe
Antonio Bryant
Even Braylon Edwards, since we’re the only team he played well against last year.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think that is so tough compared to other schedules. Bowe is overrated, Bryant is hurt and only had one year. I’ll give you Braylon. That would mean only 8 games against top 15 WR’s and only 3 NE (2) & Colts against a pair of WR’s who would be considered top 25.

However, all these Rb’s are studs catching the ball. Top 10 in receptions for RBs last year include MJD, Slaton, C. Johnson, L. Washington, K. Faulk, R. Bush, D. Ward. And these gusy are no slouches either J. Norwood, J. Addai and R. Brown.

Top TEs we face include: Keller, D. Clark, Gonzo, Daniels.

All in all I only see 3 games on the schedule were we don’t face either an awesome pass catching back or TE: KC/Clev/Car. I see 8 games were we don’t face a WR in the top 20. Jets, Miami, Jax, TB, KC (I am not a believer in Bowe), Tenn.

by Berg79 on Aug 24, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It probably isn’t much different from other schedules, but you can’t deny that we play against more than just a few elite WR’s.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jauron got really irritated. Go back and watch if you can.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 25, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cute Cutbacks

I think on a lot of those Grant cutbacks they overpursued at first. Especially, the DT’s would put themselves in a position to be blocked sideways after they thought they were pushing a sweep outside that Grant cut up the middle for decent gains.

Also, I’m not as sure about 94. And what does Ryan Denney have to offer that can’t already be provided by Kelsay. I’d like to see some Ellis/Bryant action against first teamers next week.

by thebillsmakemewannapout on Aug 24, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how much of the PA issues our D has is directly due to the severe LACK of PA that we use in our O

I mean, if they aren’t seeing it from our own O, how in the world are they supposed to get better at defending it?

The cutback run is going to be harder to stop, and that falls squarely on the shoulders of our OLBs, they MUST get into position to prevent that while flowing towards the action of the ball being carried either L or R, this is where Nic Harris becomes a big plus, along with Palmer who is still out. Both may not be as field smart as Ellison or Mitchell right now due to lack of time in the D and our playbook, but they are superior athletes. That does help against teams known to run a cut back style of run offense.

Our D had better make strides this week, as this is the big one for both of our first teams since this is the one preseason game they will play a full half in, its going to be interesting to see how they handle the Steelers…

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by WABillsfan on Aug 24, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nic Harris

I noticed him around the ball a lot in the 2nd half. He was right there on a RB or TE in pass coverage, and he had a couple of nice stops against the run as well. Overall, our backups played a heck of a lot better than our starters, but of course they also played against the GB backups so it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

by Renegade23 on Aug 24, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone said Scott has trouble with athletic safeties after the game the other day. Normally that’s where I like him the most but he got handled against the Pack.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 25, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seems they had him chasing Finley across the field. He’s good when he mans TE’s up.

Our CB’s were struggling just as much on the Packers’ crossing patterns. With no pass rush, these guys have little chance to stick with their guys the entire play….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 25, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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