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Eight Bills position battles that will dictate roster decisions

In the spirit of the topic of the day - roster projections - I thought it might be a useful little exercise to break down some of the more ferocious battles going on at the moment for Buffalo Bills roster spots.  Obviously, with the initial roster cut-downs taking place a week from today, the intensity in some of these battles should be cranked up to another level.

This is only my opinion, but I believe that there are eight battles taking place right now in the eyes of the coaching staff that could have large ramifications on how the final roster ultimately takes shape.  My views on those eight battles appear after the jump.

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Ryan Denney vs. Chris Ellis vs. Copeland Bryan
   May the best two men make the roster!
- I know that the idea of the Bills keeping six defensive ends has swept Bills nation and captured the imaginations of the masses, but I sincerely doubt that the coaching staff would be willing to sacrifice a player at another position for depth at the position that might not dress on Sundays.  The good news is that the play has been solid enough to this point in the pre-season that the likelihood of the team keeping five ends is high.  Aaron Schobel, Chris Kelsay and Aaron Maybin aren't going anywhere.  That means that two of the three players listed above could stay.  The smart money says Denney and Ellis will stay, but don't sleep on Bryan - the coaches really like him.  If Ellis and Bryan continue to impress the way they have in the past two pre-season games, the coaches could get gutsy and take the youth route at a position that needs it.

   Projected winners: Denney, Ellis

Derek Fine vs. Jonathan Stupar
   May the best man make the roster!
- It might surprise you to see Fine's name in any sort of competition not involving the starting tight end role after the hype this off-season.  Derek Schouman is a near-lock to start, and rookie Shawn Nelson will see playing time in specific offensive packages to make use of his athleticism and length.  Meanwhile, Jonathan Stupar is the team's leading receiver in the pre-season with 15 grabs for 155 yards and a touchdown.  Fine has been solid enough, but nowhere near as impressive as Stupar.  Is it possible that Stupar could supplant the 2008 fourth-round pick on the roster? Again, the smart money says no, but you shouldn't scoff at the notion.  Stupar has been that impressive.

   Projected winner: Fine

Ashton Youboty vs. Ellis Lankster
   May the best man... well, this one's tricky!
- Unlike the first two battles outlined above, this one isn't so black-and-white.  The simplest way to put it is this: Ellis Lankster is a lock to make this team.  He will not be cut.  Case closed.  Where the wrinkle comes in is if the coaches feel that he can adequately be bumped ahead of Youboty on the depth chart.  With the top four corners pretty much set in stone at this point, Youboty and Lankster are duking it out for the fifth corner role.  If Lankster is perceived as ahead of Youboty on cut-down day, Youboty could be released or traded.  The coaches aren't thrilled with his injury history, which, despite his solid play when healthy, makes him a liability on the roster.  Smart money says both will make the team, but if the Bills want numbers at another position, Youboty could get the axe.  It all depends on how close Youboty and Lankster compare in the coaches' eyes.

   Projected order of finish: Youboty, then Lankster.  Six corners seems likely at this point.

Pat Thomas vs. Marcus Buggs
   May the best man make the roster!
- Paul Posluszny needs a backup, and unfortunately, it's not going to be John DiGiorgio, who'll spend a second straight season on IR.  Thomas and Buggs spent much of training camp flip-flopping Mike roles with the second and third defensive units.  Though Thomas has been considered the slight leader in this race all along thanks to his NFL experience, he's currently dealing with an ankle injury.  That ankle injury was once considered minor - yet it's kept him out of two weeks' worth of practices and pre-season games.  Perhaps that ankle injury isn't as minor as once thought.  Meanwhile, Buggs hasn't been spectacular, but he's a good athlete and can help on special teams.  Please stay healthy, Poz.

   Projected winner: Buggs

Alvin Bowen vs. Jon Corto vs. Ashlee Palmer
   May the best man make the roster!
- Just like at middle linebacker, Kawika Mitchell and Keith Ellison need backups.  The good news is that rookie fifth-round pick Nic Harris has cemented himself as Ellison's chief understudy.  That leaves one spot open - working under the very likely assumption that the Bills will open the season with six linebackers on the active roster, as they did in 2008 - for one of these three young outside linebackers.  Palmer is a ghost participant here - he was very impressive early in camp, but an ankle injury has caused him to miss two pre-season games, and could keep him out for the foreseeable future.  He seems destined for the practice squad.  Meanwhile, Bowen and Corto are essentially the same player - undersized, speedy athletes that will see most of their time on special teams.  I'll tell you this: the coaches like Bowen, but they love Corto.

   Projected winner: Corto

Ko Simpson vs. George Wilson
   May the best man make the roster!
- At a bare minimum, the Bills will keep four safeties.  Donte Whitner, Bryan Scott and Jairus Byrd are locks to make the roster.  Simpson and Wilson are currently duking it out for the final spot.  Neither has been particularly impressive in coverage, but Wilson has looked a bit better in run support.  The deciding factor here may be the fact that Wilson was a special teams captain in 2008, while Simpson... was not.  Meanwhile, John Wendling will have to wait to see what happens at other critical positions before finding out if he'll make the team as a pretend safety and a full-time special teams ace.

   Projected winner: Wilson

Xavier Omon vs. Corey McIntyre
   May the best man moonlight on the roster for a month!
- I know, right? This battle is keeping you up at nights, so epic is the role to be won and the contestants for the job.  Long story short, the Bills will need an emergency third running back to start the season while Marshawn Lynch serves his three-game suspension.  Both Omon and McIntyre have seen extensive special teams action, and both have gotten their fair share of touches at running back.  McIntyre has been serviceable, but Omon has made plays.  Still, this competition is not over.

   Projected winner: Omon

Jonathan Scott vs. Brandon Rodd
   May the best man hope that 9 offensive linemen are needed!
- It's not a lock that the Bills will keep nine offensive linemen, and as it sits right now, the top eight is very much set in stone.  Then again, the line has been incredibly inconsistent this pre-season, and a few players have had issues with minor back injuries.  It's possible the coaches might want to keep a ninth lineman around simply to have the player on the practice field and still familiar with the system in the event more depth is needed.  If that's the case, one of these players would stick.

   Projected winner: Scott, if and only if a ninth lineman is needed

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I think these are all dead on. Who would have though Denney and Fine would be on this list a month or two ago?

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Aug 25, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with all your sentiments – but hope as they might I don’t think they keep 9 o-linemen, I don’t think Bell’s injury is serious enough to prevent him from seeing the Pats game.

by Ghetts on Aug 25, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate the idea of losing Stupar, Bryan, or Youboty.

Of course, my evaluation, like everyone else’s, is based primarily on what they’ve done in a practice setting and against second- and third-team opponents in preseason, not top flight NFL talent when it counts.
Still, they each are skilled althletes that have made plays for us and I hate to lose guys like that, even if they only see the field occasionally.
Stupar has been an eye-opener as a secure option for Fitz and Hammy when everyone’s covered. It would be fun to see what he can do with the first team: seems like you could make a case for somehow making room for him. He leads the league in receptions!

by Defensewinsgames on Aug 25, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I kind of doubt Stupar or Bryan would get poached but Youboty wouldn’t clear the waiver wires—some team betting that he can finally stay healthy.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 25, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, thats why if we see Youbuty is going to be cut, it will be a trade to some CB needy team for say a 4th or 5th rounder

While he was a 2nd rounder himself, his injury history would drag it down to the 4th or 5th round in any trade.

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by WABillsfan on Aug 25, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Youboty was a 3rd rounder (2006). So maybe it wouldn’t be as much of a hit as you think.

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Aug 25, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have the Bills had the Sanyo logo/ad on the practice jersey all along? I haven’t noticed that in any of the pictures. Good for them.

Won’t Youboty make the team because Florence is a question mark to start the year? I really do not want Lankster playing in week 1 against NE.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 25, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Depends but that’s a good point about Florence. Still have a couple of weeks to see where he stands with his knee

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 25, 2009 1:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

LOL.........
where he stands with his knee

Nice……

Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009

by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 25, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the first year for the logos. First year they were allowed I think.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 26, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope we scour the cut lists for a RB. Omon and McIntyre do nothing for me. Neither has any upside, IMO, and I’d much rather be looking for a guy who might be able to come in and create a big play or two if thrown onto the field. It probably doesn’t matter though as Omon won’t be active on gameday. McIntyre could be though.

I also hope we look around for a vet LB, although that’s not really a priority. I am not comfortable with Harris/Buggs/Corto as the 3 backups. That’s brutal.

Finally, why is Schouman so far ahead of Fine? What has he shown? Fine looks like a better receiver to me, is bigger, and is a better blocker. What is up with Schouman not only being a lock for the roster, but as the starter, while Fine might not even make the team??

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 25, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Everything you say about Fine vs. Schouman is exactly right, but I fear Brian is correct in saying that the coaching staff will not cut Schouman. Maybe they will next year after he pulls his disappearing act once again during the regular season. But I won’t be at all surprised if they keep four TE’s given the level of Stupar’s play. I agree with all of Brian’s other calls.

by Macktruck on Aug 25, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know that Fine is any better (or worse) of a receiver than Shouman as neither have really produced in that area. Fine is certainly the better blocker.

Why go over the cut lists for a LB. Isn’t Derrick Brooks just waiting for the phone to ring?

I don’t think that either Omon or McIntyre would survive the end of Lynch’s suspension.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Aug 25, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t Brooks sign with New Orleans, or did it never get beyond the interview stage?

by Macktruck on Aug 25, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He almost signed, but didn't get a contract, he is now doing the training camp injury/failure waiting game

He will get picked up by some team like say the Giants or someone else needing his smarts when a starter goes down for the year.

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by WABillsfan on Aug 25, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to have a jitterbug style change of pace back brought in to help out

Hopefully someone like the Seahawk’s Justin Forsett, that kid is amazing and the type of player we need to make our backfield stonger. If you get a chance, catch the NFL Replay of their preseason game this past week against the Broncos, the kid just puts the team on his back and carries them.

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by WABillsfan on Aug 25, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lankster really a done deal?

Do you really think Lankster is set to make the team and not the practice squad? Seeing as how the Bills will be going with no more than ten DBs he’s got to compete against John Wendling. If we keep Wendling, we’ve kept five safeties which leaves 5 cornerbacks (Mc, Mc, Corner, Florence, Youboty). You could argue that Lankster beats Youboty, or Lankster beats Wendling. But that just means the case, if anything, is certainly still open, right? Just seemed like awfully strong wordage to call it ‘case closed’.

Fine v. Stupar could be one of those crazy decisions DJ makes because it’s his make or break year. Still, I think smart money sees Cagey Dick rationalizing keeping Fine. Fine is the best blocking tight end on the roster. And he doesn’t stink up his weaker trait of pass receiving (like Nelson stinks up his second skill of blocking). So he’s a good ol, solid ball player.

I’m channeling A-Train Thomas to justify choosing Pat Thomas. Jauron just likes players with experience. Sorry Buggs. We got enough special teams players and we need reliable LB depth like the desert needs the rain.

Ko’s gone. He couldn’t guard a 5th or 6th receiver properly this preseason. What a fall.

I am actually going to pick Corey McIntyre over Xavier Omon. McIntyre got some carries (what?!?!) this preseason, and he really looked like he could be a good short-yardage back. Like Zack Crockett. Mike Alstott. Obviously not of Alstott’s caliber, but he really pounded it in there. I’d kinda like to keep him as a short-yardage option, especially since Lynch is gone for three games.

by Dyl on Aug 25, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

AMEN!
Ko’s gone. He couldn’t guard a 5th or 6th receiver properly this preseason. What a fall.

I wonder how much he will be telling people he is worth in a couple of weeks? (I know, still more than I am worth but I can’t resist taking a jab at him)

I'll donate $1 to help Mary Wilson pay the estate tax...who's with me?!?

by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Aug 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m channeling A-Train Thomas to justify choosing Pat Thomas.

Which was a mistake because Thomas was awful with the ball and it kept Fred Jackson off the field.

I’d have to think it’s a near lock that the Bills pick up a LB that’s cut from another team.

by Pistol on Aug 25, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, to clarify I’m saying Dick Jauron will justify it for the same reason he kept A-Train. I’m not personally justifying it. :)

by Dyl on Aug 25, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seriously hope we go out and sign a guy like Derrick Brooks or Roosevelt Colvin for LB-depth, as they both have proven themselves in this league. The problematic part would be to have them play Special Teams, but their experience could really help.

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Aug 25, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

‘Youboty Youbrittle"

Sang to the Tune of Spongebob Square Pants…

Ohh Who lives on injured reserve and is happy as can be ‘Youboty Youbrittle"

Can’t stay healthy too long and injury prone is he "Youboty Youbrittle"

When he was drafted a defensive back was a must "Youboty Youbrittle"

By the end of this camp its official he is a bust "Youboty Youbrittle"
-————————————————

If the Bills let Stupar go over Fine or Schouman it will be a big mistake, all he does is block, get open and catch the ball…

Years back they had a rookie DT John Parrella that had a so so camp, the following year he had an excellent camp but was inexcusably let go—-I don’t know if the Bills were going to try and sneak him thru waivers but it didn’t work he was picked up by the Chargers and went on to play for 10+ years. Just my opinion but Stupar fits the same mold as Parrella might not be flashy but is a football player!!!

by Goose22 on Aug 25, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Consistently effective beats flashy any day in my book. My gut says the same thing, Goose – keep Stupar.

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Aug 25, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is hilarious.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 25, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even My Coffee Shop Friends

are tired of hearing what I think about Stupar,so I won’t go on about it..Truth is,we won’t know if DJ is even going to give Him a shot at cracking the lineup unless they put Him in with the 1st team this week..I think He’s a better choice than Shouman at TE,but we really won’t know for sure unless Trent gets to hesitate passing to him too..Love to see it happen though..

by FanFromThe80s on Aug 25, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Him

Ha!

I had been using that for Kelsay, but at least Stupar earned it!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 25, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find it very odd that on a make or break season (or so they say, as they did last year) for Dickie, that the Linebacker position doesn’t have at least one proven backup. Was Nic Harris that big of a steal? Is he versatile enough to fill in for someone other than Ellison who only plays a limited number of reps on our defense as it is?

 After Harris I don’t see a whole lot to fall back on. He was a safety in college though wasn’t he? Doesn’t that justify letting go of Wendling and finding a solid backup at the linebacker core. I love POZ, and if Kawika didn’t go M.I.A. at the most crucial time of the season last year I’d be really high on him too, but come on! If you reach out to Terrell Freakin Owens, Cancer of all Cancers, wouldn’t you find a proven freakin backup at LB!

Later Losman!

by rockybillboa on Aug 25, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

there are a lot of things they could have done better this offseason….

LB depth
OL depth/experience
Cut some of the dead weight on the DL and overhaul the pass rush

Can’t do anything about it now I guess….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 26, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

This will likely be Ryan Denney’s last year in Buffalo. It’s no secret the Bills need fresh blood at the DE position. That being the case, why not cut Denney now in order to keep Ellis and Bryan? Both have looked great in the preseason and in camp. Good enough to get a year jump on the process, eh?

by Dyl on Aug 26, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

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